Talk:Sally Kellerman

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Was Sally born in 1936 or 1937? Hotwine8 03:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I changed the date to 1937 to conform to the most common film sources on the web, but 1936 and 1938 both appear frequently. Note that 1936 could have propagated to other sites from an original typo in Wikipedia. The New York Times cites [1937], which agrees with IMDB. 1941 also appears in one source. I couldn't find a birthdate on the official site. -- Slowmover 15:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
1937 is correct. This is according to the California Birth Index. Crisso (talk) 19:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


No mention of Hidden Valley Ranch? (Or whatever salad dressing she used to push.) She's kind of famous for voiceover work. (talk) 07:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Same question here. Her voice is incredible, but there's no mention of it here. Disappointing. CsikosLo (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

It is unacceptable that her vast voice-over work isn't included. Besides Hidden Valley Ranch, she shilled Whirlpool appliances and I'm hearing it right now for Brailla pasta. Even if you don't want to mention exact brand name -- I had forgotten about HVR -- saying that's how she makes a living is worthy and reasonable. Macshill (talk) 07:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I tried to clean this up. There were things like memorable role, or she was making a somewhat quirky appearance as herself, or She starred alongside some of Hollywood's biggest names, or She has enjoyed a long and successful career that don't sound neutral and sound biased.--BeckiGreen (talk) 00:29, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

No mention of her role in "Foxes" (1980) Flembok (talk) 06:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Narrator in "The Untold Holocaust"[edit]

Sally Kellerman was narrator in Jakov Sedlar's 18 minutes short movie "The Untold Holocaust" with subtitle "Serbia 1941-1945", released in 1991 on VHS tape. It is about untold story about holocaust in Serbia, which was mostly covered up (and stil is).

Unfortunately, that movie wasn't mentioned in Jakov Sedlar's Wikipedia page, english or croatian. But you can watch that movie for free. As to my knowledge, author is aware that his movie is on Youtube. Movie was divided in two parts because Youtube limit back then used to be 10 minutes per video. And first minute is added by whoever uploaded the video on Youtube. So you can check beginning of first part, and ending of second part to confirm what I just said here. Or you can watch whole movie, it is 20 minutes all together.

Part one: (Many enemies of truth have flagged this video as offensive... You can guess what part of world they come from.)

Part two:

You can also use this article for Jakov Sedlar's wiki page, or for (still non-existing) page of that movie.

Additional info:

The Untold Holocaust: Serbia 1941-1945

The Untold Holocaust Serbia 1941-1945 / by Jakov Sedlar

Croradio - playlist: The Untold Holocaust

My first language is not english, and I didn't want to interfere in your Wikipedia, so can You please use this information and make changes to some pages? (Sally Kellerman, Jakov Sedlar, perhaps some new page, or editing pages about Holocaust and Holocaust movies...) I just started discussion on croatian Wikipedia, and hope to start same thing in Croatian when I catch some free time.

Zekoslavac (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Kellerman's page should include a film career section[edit]

especially her ongoing work with Bob Altman, and how she landed the role of "Hot Lips" O'Houilihan

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sally Kellerman/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 03:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Per request, I'll give this article a GA review. Wizardman 03:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

There are a lot of problems with this article that cause me to have to fail it as a GAN. Here are some general notes:

  • Of the four images in the article, there are two I question the validity of. One is a 1983 image tagged as pre-1978 PD, which is obviously a copyvio. The other image, published in 1971, is tagged pd-art. Either you need to prove that the pre-1978 tag applies in that case, or that will have to be deleted as well.
  • The tone of the article is off in general, and in many spots it does not read like an encyclopedic article. Examples to follow.
  • The structure is poor in the article, with slews of one-sentence paragraphs and too many sentences that start with dates. The formatting and flow needs to be improved big time.

Now for some more specific concerns (from 1970s on I just did a skim read):

  • "Although she has quite the lengthy resume consisting of motion picture and television productions," this is part of the tone issue I'm noting; reads more like a press packet than anything else.
  • "'Outer Limits, and what appears to be her most popular performance on TV, psychiatrist Dr. Elizabeth Dehner in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", the second pilot for Star Trek." not sure why part of that is in italics, also the "appears to be.. popular" part is both speculation and not really encyclopedic.
  • "Kellerman's mother was a Christian Scientist and originated from Portland, Arkansas." the 'and originated' part can be removed.
  • "In any event, Kellerman was able to act" rm 'in any event' per tone issues
  • "After Kellerman went to Verve Records and signed the contract, she realized the task of becoming a recording artist was far too much of a tall order to follow through with. She walked away" these two sentences can be combined.
  • "It was in Corey's class where Kellerman met the late actress, Luana Anders (1938–1996), the two remained very close friends." the years aren't needed, plus it seems a rather odd sentence to include without a bit of detail on the friendship if it was important.
  • "The first of which was as a waitress in the John Forsyth sitcom Bachelor Father – episode "Kelly and the College Man" (1960)." sentence fragment.
  • You vary between MASH and M*A*S*H throughout the article, and there's a missed asterisk in one of the latter; keep consistent.
  • "March 6, 1972, Kellerman divorced Edelstein - cited irreconcilable differences" sentence starts with a date, and sentence fragment
  • The parentheses seem unnecessary in the next sentence given how long it is.
  • "Performances in the 1980s could be seen in Adrian Lyne's Foxes (1980)." more odd sentence structuring
  • "January 23, 2004, she performed at Palmdale Playhouse." and "Summer of 2004, she acted as host, Madame ZinZanni in Teatro ZinZanni." again, more poor structuring
  • Virtually every sentence in the 2000s starts with a year and leaves the whole section feeling like a tacked on slew of films rather than any coherent chronology. Same for the 2010s.
  • Remove the apostrophes in the section headers.
  • Web citations need accessdates. Some have them, but many do not.

After addressing the above concerns, get a top-to-bottom copyedit on the article from another person before trying to re-nominate. A lot of work still needs to be done on this article before I could consider it GA-worthy. Wizardman 14:01, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sally Kellerman/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jonas Vinther (talk · contribs) 16:03, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

After glancing over the article, I can already tell now that the article will not pass for GA-status. I can also see that it's been nominated for GA-status three times this year. Because of this, I'm going to do an untraditional review and simply state what's wrong with the article instead of how I would normally review articles.

  • The article contains lots of grammar and sentence errors. If you are from a foreign country where learning English is not a priority or hugely important, and you would like some help with the grammar part, request help from from other editors who worked on this article or ask for a copyedit review at Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Get help and meet other copyeditors.
  • This article is over-quoted. It contains five long quotes almost right after each other. Per WP:QUOTE and WP:LONGQUOTE you should use quotes as less you can, and they should not be long, as the quotes in this article is. Also, some of the quotes are un-sourced.
  • The article has lots of un-sourced material and use sources that appears to be unreliable (YouTube, IMDb) and too closely associated with the article (Sally's personal website). Many of the sources listed contain wrong reference text and some contain none at all and are referenced simply like this Lastly, this article has a "Bibliography" section which listed Sally's autobiography, which is fine, but when refereeing to the book you should use Harvard references like this "Sally 2013, p. 20" instead of this "Kellerman, Sally (2013). Read My Lips: Stories of a Hollywood Life. Weinstein Books. p. 20. 978-1-60286-167-1."
  • The "Filmography" section, which is two tables of Sally's film and television appearances, are longer than the actual body text of the article. I suggest either replacing the tables, which are also un-sourced, with a list of her most famous or acclaimed appearances. Also, when an actor's filmography is this long it should have an article of its own, like Tom Hanks filmography and simply have a link to that on their main article.

I hope all these points and suggestions help and I'm sorry the article had to fail it's third GA-nomination. I will happily review the article properly and again when it's improved. Best of luck. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 16:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)