Talk:Sergei Tikhanovsky

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Page name change

An IP user has requested the page name be changed to his ’also known as‘ moniker.

Does anybody have any opinions? He has provided extra citations, see edits 4 August 2020. I had to remove as there was about ten all at once! AussieWikiDan (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 21:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Siarhei Tsikhanouski → Sergei Tikhanovsky – "Sergei Tikhanovsky" is by far the most common name in English sources, almost ten times more common in google news ([1] [2]) (2,150 results vs 261) Vpab15 (talk) 19:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - As requestor. Vpab15 (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Both spellings are widely used in the English-language media, and Siarhei Tsikhanouski is, like Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, a correct transliteration of Belarusian. You're requesting a move to a Russian spelling. Here's an example of the existing spelling being used in the Washington Post, for both of their names: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/08/belarus-president-is-looking-his-sixth-election-victory-he-has-well-used-playbook-win-aug-9/ Arianna the First (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it is the only time The New York Times uses Tsikhanouski, and it uses Tikhanovsky 22 times. If you would like to stop cherry-picking and see normal analysis, take a look here. Wikisaurus (talk) 08:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Sources^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] favour Siarhei, which is the state standard transliteration of Сяргей. Tāwhiwhi (talk) 23:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you could cherry-pick some articles with the current name provides no evidence of which is the most common name. Please provide some proper evidence that shows your preferred name is in fact more common. Vpab15 (talk) 18:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Belarus: Crackdown on Political Activists, Journalists". Human Rights Watch. 30 July 2020.
^ "EU to sanction Belarus over electoral 'falsification' and 'violence'". euronews. 14 August 2020.
^ "Belarus presidential election candidate flees country amid crackdown on protests". Sky News.
^ Kulakevich, Tatsiana. "Belarus's president looks for his sixth election victory on Sunday. He has a well-used playbook to win". Washington Post. Retrieved 14 August 2020.

Support - Use common names --Wester (talk) 11:23, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Like many people pointed out, Russian is a co-official and by far the most spoken language in Belarus. Let's not be more Belarusian than the Belarusians themselves. Buxareu (talk) 16:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – for the same reason I oppose it in case of his wife – both names are valid transliterations of two languages and both are being used by various reliable English-language sources, so there's no real urgent need to move (as there would be if the name was simply wrong or not present in English-language media at all). Given that this name is relevant to very much ongoing events, I think it's best not to move it back and forth currently, and if anything, decide on the name after some time. Ausir (talk) 22:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One name is ten times more commonly used than the other. I see no reason why we should wait before we move the article. In the unlikely event the most commonly used name changes, we change it accordingly. Vpab15 (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - A there isn't an established common name in english, we should follow Belarusian transliteration blindlynx (talk) 21:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. First, Wikipedia should use the common name, not the "correct" name (see WP:RECOGNIZABILITY); if the common name is obtained by transliterating via third language, so be it. For example, it's Confucius (the Latin transliteration), not Kongzi (the "correct" Chinese transliteration). Second, Russian and Belarusian are both equally official languages of Belarus; most Belarusian speak Russian ("about 70% of the population indicated they speak Russian at home, 23% indicated Belarusian"); Tikhanosky himself speaks almost exclusively Russian in his blog. So if the Russian and Belarusian transliteration were equally used in English media, we could or even should use Russian one; and as the Russian transliteration is much more popular, we must use it. P. S. Unfortunately, it is a consequence of the domination of Russia, of course, but it is not for Wikipedia to change reality, we should reflect it veraciously. Wikisaurus (talk) 08:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't a clear common name in english though. blindlynx (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Arianna the First, Tāwhiwhi, Ausir and blindlynx, but would vote "Support" if Tsikhanouski himself or his wife were to contact English Wikipedia, identify themselves as Russian-language speakers, rather than Belarusian-language speakers and specify that their preference is for their names' English-language forms to appear in transliterations from the Russian form, rather than from the Belarusian form. A similar step was recently taken by Ukrainian chess Grandmaster Vasyl Ivanchuk who personally nominated the main title header of his English Wikipedia entry for move from its Russian form, Vassily Ivanchuk, to its Ukrainian form, Vasyl Ivanchuk and was successful at Talk:Vasyl Ivanchuk#Requested move 18 April 2020. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 02:41, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME policy. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 09:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support as others have mentioned, per WP:COMMONNAME. Mellk (talk) 15:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support The majority of international media outlets are using the Russian transliteration. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 09:03, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support As we can see from the descriptions of the two videos recently published on Sergei and Svetlana Tikhanovsky's YouTube channel ( [1], [2] ), Svetlana prefers her Russian transliteration name and we should respect that. I also can tell you that the majority of Belarusians refer to Svetlana and Sergei by their Russian names and that's just a fact. Once again, it's not which language is better or politics, it's all about as others have mentioned WP:RECOGNIZABILITY and WP:COMMONNAME. WhiteRusian (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move for "Svetlana Tikhanovskaya"

There is also a requested move for Svetlana Tikhanovskaya (see Talk:Sviatlana_Tsikhanouskaya#Requested_move_14_August_2020). If there is consensus, I think it makes sense to move both articles at the same time. Vpab15 (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Sounds reasonable to me. Buxareu (talk) 13:06, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Years active 2019–present (as a YouTuber)

From infobox. Err, if he is imprisoned, is he still an active YouTuber? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Belarus: Crackdown on Political Activists, Journalists". Human Rights Watch. 30 July 2020.

[2] "EU to sanction Belarus over electoral 'falsification' and 'violence'". euronews. 14 August 2020.

[3] "Belarus presidential election candidate flees country amid crackdown on protests". Sky News.

[4] Kulakevich, Tatsiana. "Belarus's president looks for his sixth election victory on Sunday. He has a well-used playbook to win". Washington Post. Retrieved 14 August 2020.

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