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Toxicodermia caused by shiitake ?

I Found a reference in a web page to toxicodermia caused by edible mushroom shiitake (Lentinus edodes). The web page is here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=4066320&dopt=Abstract

A few months ago i ate some of this mushrooms and i currently have a toxicodermia that has afected my body and face severely. Can anyone confirm if the mushroom is a possible cause? Doctors still seem to be very confused about the cause.

Taste

I was interested in a description of the shiitake's flavour but there was no mention of it (eg. compared to a white button mushroom).

Use in miso soup

I think that shiitake mashrooms are served in Simmered Dishes (Nimono) rather than miso soup. I haven't eat miso soup with shiitake mashrooms(My mother is Japanese).

Shiitake mushrooms can be used to make the dashi (broth) for miso soup, and also can be used, sliced very thin, to add to the soup as a vegetable. Badagnani 17:11, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Possible but not typical. Shiitake is not the most popular ingredient for miso soup. And yes, shiitake mashrooms are served in simmered dishes (Nimono) rather than miso soup. --163.139.215.193 15:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. production abounds in 2005

The article linked to this entry must be old, because domestic U.S. production of fresh shiitake is common, although the large-scale quality can vary widely. Lots of small-scale market gardeners have taken up log-cultivation using predominantly oak logs, or other hardwoods, and produce very high-quality mushrooms. Different shiitake strains are well suited for different temperatures, fruiting from 50-80+ degrees F. They are commercially cultivated at least as far north as Wisconsin and as far south as Florida.

Dates/sources

How can shiitake cultivation have begun in three different time periods (as most recent edit states): Ming Dynasty, Sung Dynasty, and in 199 CE? This doesn't make sense. Also, please add sources for this very specific information. Badagnani 17:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

fair point I say, time to slap on Template:Contradict-section 67.160.10.87 04:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first of all the section is a copyvio of the two cited sources and those sources obviously disagree on just when shiitake mushroom cultivation started. (However, the 199 AD reference is a record of them being eaten, which is different than cultivated -- this part isn't contradictory). This whole section needs to be reworded to 1) indicate that sources disagree on when cultivation occurred and 2) to not be a copyvio. Just my 2 cents. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 05:12, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay -- I worked out the contractories based on newly cited sources:

199 A.D. - First record of shiitake mushrooms being eaten
Sung Dynasty - Wu Sang Kwuang wrote on how to cultivate them.
Ming Dynasty - Wu Juei wrote on its medicinal benefits

Hope this helps -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 05:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful! Badagnani 05:31, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In this name: Wu Sang Kwuang, the romanization "Kwuang" must be wrong, at least according to pinyin. Can we get the hanzi for this? Badagnani 05:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

taxonomy box?

This article would benefit from a taxonomy box. See the morel article for an example. 67.160.10.87 05:10, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I did my best. Can a botanist check it? I don't know why nobody made a taxobox before now. Badagnani 05:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name of article

Shouldn't the article just be "Shiitake"? (Doesn't "-take" mean "mushroom"?) It would be like having an article called "Fujiyama Mountain" ("-yama" meaning "mountain"). Badagnani 18:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this should be changed 4hodmt 09:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Swearing

I've known Shitake to be said when someone begins to say shit only to realise that they shouldn't swear in the current situation (eg. school). I expected this to have already been added. --211.28.237.112 13:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shiit shiit shiitt!

Vitamin D

Can anyone provide statistics on the amount of Vitamin D claimed to be provided by Shiitake? All online records and surveys I can find either don't mention it at all or record negligible content. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.175.75 (talk • contribs)

It's supposed to be not Vitamin D itself, but ergosterol, a precursor to Vitamin D that is presumably converted to Vitamin D once in the body after ingestion. I agree that further sources should be found. Do a search for shiitake and ergosterol and see what you can find. Badagnani 21:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have a source (that I should get around to adding-- Mycelium Running by Paul Stamets) that states that the mushrooms contain ergosterol if cultivated indoors, but that if they are turned gills up and exposed to UV light for a day after harvest, it is converted to vitamin D. But there are other vegan sources of vitamin D including some strains of torula yeast. Crypticfirefly 22:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I created an entry for this question - Effect of sunlight on mushrooms Jatlas (talk) 03:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Um wtf is the page locked???

What I said. ffs it is marked 'requires cleanup'. lol. -- Planetfck (talk) 11:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial links

Badagnani reverted my removal of a number of commercial links with the comment: thanks, please read the discussion (have you?), and you'll see that the actual labeling of this mushroom and food items made with it is what was in question.

If we are referring to general usage of the word, we should cite reliable sources which are based on scholarly research, ideally corpus studies. I cited OED and American Heritage Dictionary, as well as the Cook's Thesaurus link you posted. What is the significance of the other links? The fourth link doesn't even mention Shiitake, the fifth link is a shopping site. Dforest (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's much better if you discuss first. Have you read the page history yet, as asked several times? Once you've done that, we can discuss. It's much better if editors take time to familiarize themselves with the evolution of a page rather than sweeping through, "fixing" things that were not broken. Badagnani (talk) 02:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've read both the talk page and history but I do not see justification for the commercial links. If you are trying to prove a point about how it is sold by citing numerous commercial links, it should be done on talk pages and not in the article text. Dforest (talk) 02:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An editor stated that it really isn't called shiitake in the English-speaking world. The links prove that it, in fact, is--in its most widely encountered form--actual places from which is available to the public. This is not just important, it is of key importance in proving that the term is the primary one used for this foodstuff in English-speaking regions. Regarding the link you stipulate contains nothing about shiitake, please look again. Badagnani (talk) 02:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The link was [1], and the only reference to "shiitake" is "Customers who bought this product also purchased: Shiitake & Sesame Dressing". The need to show the terms use in English does not trump consensus guidelines about commercial links (WP:EL & WP:SPAM). Dforest (talk) 03:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The link includes a photo of a commercial product produced in an English-speaking country, which bears the name "shiitake." This is an important proof that such products exist, and use this name. When I added it it was not as "spam," and any implication that I did so is highly out of line! Badagnani (talk) 03:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relax. I am not accusing you of spamming; I am sure your intentions were good. But it is really not necessary to have so many external links. According to WP:EL, "links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services are normally to be avoided." Also see Template:cleanup-spam:

Category:Wikipedia spam cleanup

Dforest (talk) 03:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see, there was an editor claiming that "shiitake" is not the most widely used name in English-speaking regions. One or two links was not going to be enough for him/her; the variety of the links shows the diversity of products sold under the name. Badagnani (talk) 03:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name of this mushroom in the English-speaking world

The article states that this mushroom is "generally known in the English-speaking world by its Japanese name, shiitake", and uses the Oxford English Dictionary as the source of this claim. However the Oxford English Dictionary merely gives a simple one sentence definition for the word, there is nothing that says it is "generally known in the English-speaking world by its Japanese name, shiitake". Therefore I have remove the reference and put a source need tag on the claim.

In any case, I think the name of this mushroom would vary according to region. In my part of the English-speaking world, it is generally called a "Chinese mushroom". 94.197.197.89 (talk) 18:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shiitake research

This part of the article has been flagged as biased. However all that is presented is Shiitake research that has been published. Any research showing lack of therapeutic effect or toxicity is not being blocked, so my view is this portion of the page should have its banner removed. Any opinions for or against removal of the banner is welcome below. Jatlas (talk) 22:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think an edit describing the word's relation to the popular vulgarity "shit" is reasonable

...seriously.

Come on... it's been beaten to death. No need to flag an edit describing the word's relationship to the popular scatological saying as "possible vandalism."

68.190.23.11 (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's only the mispronunciation and misplaced syllable break of American English to say "shit" that causes the vulgarity. The correct original Japanese pronunciation and syllables are "shee" "tahkay". Play the audio under Taxonomy. --Zefr (talk) 14:13, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

The Japanese listen file sounds like "see" -- not "shee" -- to me. 173.90.65.191 (talk) 01:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery photo not Shiitake

The bag of fresh mushrooms in a market are *not* Shiitake. Roger (talk) 12:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What are they then? 2A00:23C6:BE86:B401:B949:F67:4B6C:716E (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re micronutrient values presented

There appears to exist a dramatic contrast between the micronutrient values for raw shiitake mushrooms as contrasted with dried shiitake mushrooms. Does anyone know the reason? Whynot8 (talk) 15:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Whynot8 Yes, the values are contrasting, however the contrast is not that dramatic... Values in raw 1.4-8.0 times less (5.2 in average) than in dried. Nevertheless, the contrast may be explained by the following answer: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/faq.html#q9 Tosha Langue (talk) 17:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the response. It helps to appreciate the dynamic nature of food testing. Whynot8 (talk) 20:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason for nutrient content differences between raw and dried mushrooms is the water content - 90% for raw and 9% for dried, i.e., during measurement, there is about a 10-fold dilution in raw samples or, differently expressed for dried, a 10-fold concentration, with other factors still present, as explained in the above USDA ref. Zefr (talk) 20:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, Thanks. Whynot8 (talk) 22:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Order of synonyms

Is there a reason why the names are not list chronologically? 115.70.254.101 (talk) 10:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Ichtyol" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Ichtyol has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 2 § Ichtyol until a consensus is reached. cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]