Talk:Soviet invasion of Manchuria

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Anachronisms including Surrender of Kwantung Army[edit]

"The operation was carried out as a classic double pincer movement over an area the size of the entire Western European theatre of World War II."

This article suggests that the Kwantung army was defeated and surrendered to an invading Soviet army, and that the Soviet invasion was a contributing factor to the Japanese surrender. That's preposterous. In fact, while the Kwantung army suffered defeats in battle with the Soviets, it surrendered to the Soviets after Emperor Hirohito surrendered on 8/15/1945, after the US had dropped the atomic bombs on 8/6 and 8/9/1945. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria began on 8/9/1945. There's no way the Soviets could have conquered an area the size of Europe in six days. It took the Germans five weeks just to conquer Poland in 1939. The surrender of the Kwantung army was not a reason for the Japanese surrender in WWII. It was a consequence.

Moreover, the Soviet Union did not have a naval capability for an invasion of the Japanese home islands, nor did it have the capability to supply an invasion force if it had been able to land one in the home islands. The Soviet threat to the Japanese home islands was nonexistent and irrelevant.

Major events leading up to the surrender of Japan in WWII. Devastating defeats in naval battles: Coral Sea 4-8 May 42 - result 3 IJN carriers unavailable for Midway

 one IJN light carrier sunk, one fleet carrier damaged, 
 one fleet carrier undamaged but lost aircraft complement 

Midway 3-7 June 42 -

 four IJN fleet aircraft carriers sunk, 248 IJN aircraft destroyed

Solomon Islands Campaign 1942-43 Battle of Tinian (base for nuclear-armed B-29s) 24 july to 1 August 1944 Battle of Philippine Sea 19-20 June 1944 -

 three IJN fleet carriers sunk, 645 IJN aircraft destroyed

Battle of Leyte Gulf 23-26 October 1944 - IJN sunk by USN:

 1 fleet carrier
 3 light carriers
 3 battleships
 10 crusiers
 300 IJN aircraft destroyed

Battle of Okinawa, largest amphibious invasion of Pacific war - 1 Apr to 22 Jun 1945

 IJA losses 100,000 KIA
 IJN losses 16 ships including super-battleship Yamato
 IJN-IJA 1430 aircraft lost

Tokyo - 9-10 Mar 1945 - 300+ B-29s

 believed by some to be the most destructive bombing raid in history

Hiroshima - 6 Aug 1945 - atomic bomb Nagasaki - 9 Aug 1945 Soviet invasion of Manchuria 9 Aug 1945 Surrender of Japan - 15 Aug 1945 Kwantung army surrender by Gen. Yamada - 16 Aug 1945 Kwantung army surrender of Harbin by Field Marshal Hata - 19 Aug 1945

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.44.12 (talk) 14:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest that you read more widely about the last months of World War II. The invasion of Manchuria was one of several factors which prompted the Japanese leadership to admit defeat (the consensus is that the atomic bombs alone didn't achieve this), and the Soviets actually had a considerable amphibious force in the Pacific which would have been able to invade northern Japan - especially as most of the Japanese Navy had been sunk or confined to port. The references given in the article explain this. Nick-D (talk) 06:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, not really I'm afraid, at least where the Soviet invasion of Japan was concerned. The Russians had Lend-Lease 'assault shipping,' but nothing substantial enough to have actually invaded Hokkaido or really any part of mainland Japan within a reasonable timeframe. This presentation by D.M. Giangreco featuring Richard B. Frank and David Glantz largely puts to bed any notions of the sort.
Now, on the subject of the Soviet declaration of war you are correct. Prior to August 1945 the Japanese hoped to bleed the Allies to death on the beaches of Kyushu while appealing to the USSR to act as an intermediary with their war-weary adversaries to negotiate a WWI-esque political settlement in which the Japanese Empire would survive. The Soviet invasion, which took place a full month before IGHQ believed even possible, largely dashed that hope. By all accounts Russia's entry into the war played a major part in the Emperor's decision to intervene, even if it wasn't the decisive blow.
Sincerely, The Pittsburgher (talk) 13:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)