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Weak oppose. This seems excessive reliance on fifteenth-century spelling. He is doubtless spelled both ways, and we should have Thomas Arundell (archbishop) as a redirect. I would entertain a suggestion that he is the best-known man of his name, however, so my opposition is only weak. SeptentrionalisPMAnderson 21:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Do you mean that Arundel or Arundell is a fifteenth-century spelling? I believe that Arundel is dominant spelling nowadays, and the archbishop is the primary meaning of "Thomas Arundel". Srnec (talk) 22:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Both are fifteenth century spellings; but you may well be right that Arundel is now dominant for the archbishop. It's all the same family, though, and we should make that clear, probably in the lead. SeptentrionalisPMAnderson 13:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I've modified the hatnote, and the lead of the dab page, to clarify that the dab page includes Arundells. PamD (talk) 15:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Support moving the archbishop to plain Thomas Arundel: he's certainly the primary usage, and the only page with that title. A hatnote to point to the dab page will mop up any stray visitors who want "Thomas Arundell" or "Thomas... Earl of Arundel". I've only been watching him for a few days, but my head is spinning - I update the Archbishops templates, find he's moved again in a few hours... we've all got better things to be doing. PamD (talk) 13:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Support, see above. Srnec (talk) 22:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Support move: In agreement, Thomas Arundel (the archbishop) is primary usage and unambiguous. A dab page for the Arundell's will be a more logical outcome. There is text at the top of the article already pointing to a disambiguation page, so the move wouldn't clutter anything up. Maedin\talk 20:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I really don't CARE where it ends up, I just want it to quit playing musical chairs. Someone just moved it to this page on the 18th of September, and I finally got some of the redirects cleaned up, and then it moved back to where it was in June... there are too many pages that link to this (He was a busy man!) to keep moving it around. Let's settle on a page, make sure it's well marked on the talk page and leave it there. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I moved it from Thomas Arundel, Archbishop of Canterbury to Thomas Arundel (archbishop). The move away from Thomas Arundel happened already in June. Fram (talk) 04:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't make that clear, Fram. I wasn't so much complaining about either the June or the Sept move, just the newest move coming right on the heels of the Sept move, and moving BACK to where it was before the June move. It's very annoying to fix redirects, over and over, only to watch the article go in a circle. It's not any of the movers fault, it's just let's not start a new round? Ealdgyth - Talk 13:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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