Talk:Tomáš Rosický

Czech Republic vs. USA

I don't think that scoring two goals in the group stage of the World Cup is an event that merits being added to the international career part of his biography, beautiful as the goal may be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yonatanh (talk • contribs)

I do. It would be one of the highlights of any footballer's career.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  00:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

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Yeah there is no doubt that this should be on there, it is the undoubted highlight of his career to date.

noteworthy enough. Chensiyuan 09:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Rosický's nicknames?

[1][2]  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  13:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Well, 1. I have never heard that nickname before the hype with his Arsenal transfer, 2. It is 100% considered as a hoax/mistake by Czechs. If you take a look at a Czech version of the search, you'll find only nonrelevant results and results commenting on how Dumpling is a nonsense, see e.g. [3]

Říkají mu Knedlík. Opravdu?

Stačilo přestoupit do londýnského Arsenalu a hned kolem Tomáše Rosického začaly vířit fámy. Třeba britský server Football365. co.uk přinesl 10 "zajímavostí".

1.Nosí přezdívku Knedlík, podle jeho milovaného jídla. V Česku se o něm píše lichotivěji – Fotbalový Mozart.

Pravda jen napůl. Knedlík je úlet, tak se mu neříká.

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They call him Dumpling. Really?

It was enough to be transferred to Arsenal London, and immediately, many rumours have started to swirl around Tomáš Rosický. For example, the British server Football365.co.uk brought 10 "interesting things".

1. His nickname is Dumpling, because of his favourite dish. In Czech Republic, they call him more flatteringly – Football Mozart.

Only half-truth. Dumpling is nonsense, he is not called like that.

[and continuing with corrections of the rest of the list]

or [4]

„Arsenal napíchl knedlík,“ vítá špílmachra českého nároďáku na ostrovech titulek deník The Sun. Ale proč proboha by měl být »Rosa« právě Knedlík? „Miluje tuto českou specialitu. Proto mu tak spoluhráči říkají,“ mate list. A navrch »Rosu« označuje za defenzivního hráče! To jsou, pane, znalosti!

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"Gunners nab Dumpling", The Sun welcomes the Czech national team's pacesetter on the islands. For God's sake, why should "Rosa" be called Dumpling? "He loves this Czech specialty. That's why his team-mates call him so," confuses the newspaper. On top, the paper calls "Rosa" a defensive player! That's what I call knowledge!

or [5] (free login required, try bugmenot.com):

Horečně se vymýšlejí jeho přezdívky. Bulvární The Sun a Mirror se nechtějí vzdát Knedlíka, […]

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Frantically, many nicknames are invented. Tabloid The Sun and Mirror do not want to forgo Dumpling, […]

I know he has been called Schnitzel for a while after his arrival to Borussia, but he objected to the name and with the help of the team he was able to persuade the fans not to call him like that. And if you try to look at the German version (trying to filter out the backfire of Arsenal transfer hype): Rosicky Knodel -Arsenal, you'll find not many relevant results, in fact, I can see still the only one, (now defunct) [6].

--Mormegil 09:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, on the basis that he has come out and publicly said that he didn't like the nickname "Dumpling" - but that it was indeed a nickname that he acquired at Dortmund. It's difficult to refute what the player himself has said. As a result, I feel that Dumpling should be placed there. [7] Cyril Washbrook 06:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, it still continues to surprise me, but I'll accept that as a fact; nonetheless, I have reordered the nicknames and added the Schnitzel one (it seems to be as relevant as Dumpling), to what I believe is both temporal and frequency-of-use sort. (Maybe Rosa should be after Little Mozart, I am not sure how often is that used in English.) If there would are any objections, we could use alphabetical sort. --Mormegil 15:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

In the end, as long as we've got all the sourced nicknames that we agree on, I think it's fine. Any order should do as well. Cyril Washbrook 10:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Career statistics

Having only "Arsenal statistics" smacks of a an Arsenal fan who has come into the article and done the easy and soft option of just adding the arsenal stuff. SHould be expanded. Niall123 21:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Deffo. In mitigation, foreign league statistics are sometimes hard to find.  Slumgum T. C.   15:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

OTT imho KZF 18:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL. Chensiyuan (talk) 09:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Rosicky and Hleb wingers?

Rosicky plays as left central midfielder, on left is usually van persie or ljungberg, and he is definitelly not winger and Hleb neither, Arsenal dont use wings so much.

Rosicky chleb in Czech means a type of sliced bread you use for making toast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.160.221.174 (talk) 19:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Vice captain Rosicky earns £25,000 fine

Can someone please add this becuase I'm not sure how to do it correctly.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=417390&cc=5739

He was fined when he was on international duty for spending the night with some prostitutes.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uboat (talk • contribs) 20:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Weasel Words

Sentences like "he is regarded as" and "he is known for" don't carry much weight, they are also discouraged on Wikipedia: See Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words. I've deleted the most obvious one. It would be better to get quotes from experts in the game (Wenger must have said lots of things) to replace these unsubstanciatable claims. Thehalfone 16:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Also the description of him isn't NPOV and needs to be rewritten by someone who isn't his publicist.

by anon

why is there no mention of his love of prostitutes?

You can add it if you can back it up. Assuming the information is any encyclopedic. Although I think you may be referring to the post above by uboat. Or you could be uboat. Chensiyuan 09:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

And also his rumoured drug problem? I'm going to look into it. JFBurton (talk) 10:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Unofficial site link removal

The hardest edits to remove are the ones where an editor is trying to help a favorite subject, and to help Wiki! The link in Czech isn't helpful, because most English Wiki readers do not speak Czech, and editors cannot verify the information. See WP:NONENG. An exception might be when there is no English available, but in this case, the official English site is already in the External links. The other link to the "English unofficial website" is mostly an advertising site with other subjects. It is a problem for several reasons, see WP:LINKSTOAVOID. So, keep up the good work, but those External links are not appropriate. Piano non troppo (talk) 03:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Tks. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tomáš Rosický/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Matty.007 (talk · contribs) 17:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll take this on, and try and review it swiftly. Tables are my thing, so that's how the overview will be, comments below the table. Thanks, Matty.007 17:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

Club career

• Rosický began his career at AC Sparta Prague, following his father Jiří and brother, also called Jiří who had previously represented the club: any years for either father or brother, caps, goals?
  • Added some insight into their playing days +ref, although caps are not readily available.
• Tomáš debuted for Sparta in 1998: from where? Academy, signed from another club?
  • Youth team, added ref.
• He scored five goals in the 1999–2000 season as the team won the league for the second year in succession.[4][5] He was named the "Talent of the Year" at the 1999 Czech Footballer of the Year awards.[5] Perhaps "He scored five goals in the 1999–2000 season as the team won the league for the second year in succession,[4][5] and as a result was named the "Talent of the Year" at the 1999 Czech Footballer of the Year awards.[5]"
  • No indication his five goals were the reason for receiving the award, would amount to WP:OR in my opinion.
• Dortmund: contract length (5 years)?
  • Added.
• Add a Bundesliga record cost from BBC ref you use?
  • Don't understand this, the article says "the most expensive player in Bundesliga history" so that is synonymous with being a record cost.
• the most expensive Czech player of all time: the ref says he was the "Czech Republic's most expensive footballing export", which seems different (to me)
  • Agreed; wording altered to reflect the source.
• being the first player to have a shot on target in the match: trivia?
  • removed.
• During his first two and a half seasons with the club, Rosický played 75 league matches, scoring nine goals and registering 20 assists: where are you getting this from?
  • Same ref that followed. Have made it inline for easier access.
• Rosický's reputation grew during his time at Dortmund and, during the latter stages of his spell at the club, Dortmund were in substantial financial trouble and could not hold onto him despite recognising his influence on the team. Press reports linked him with big money transfers to Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea, and Arsenal. Rosický expressed a desire for Dortmund to allow him to leave at the end of the 2005–06 season, and the arrival of South African Steven Pienaar was made in preparation for Rosický's departure please source the paragraph
  • Removed. Not very good prose anyway. I have added sourced prose in place of that.
• On 23 May 2006, Arsenal confirmed that they had signed then 25-year-old Rosický on a long-term contract add 'for an undisclosed fee'
  • added.
• On 6 January 2007, he scored twice against Liverpool at Anfield in the FA Cup: final score?
  • added.
• He finished his debut season at Arsenal having scored six goals in 37 appearances for the club in all competitions: does this need a ref?
  • Stats are sourced in the stats section.
• scoring what Phil Harlow: 'scoring what the BBC journalist Phil Harlow'
  • Reworded.
• pre-season match against Barnet in July 2009 'pre-season friendly', and add score
  • The score is not mentioned at the BBC article, which suggests to me that it is not important. Added "friendly" to wording.
• scored the second goal: the second goal or Arsenal's second?
  • Good point, clarified.
• against Everton to give Arsenal a point: I'm not sure you need to say they got a point, you haven't for any of the other games he played in
  • Reworded sentence.
• resultantly scored the solitary goal of their league match against Liverpool: final score?
  • Solitary means it was the only goal.
• Rosický finished the season with a total of three goals in 33 appearances in all club competitions: ref?
  • Ref in stats section, as above.
• At the end of the campaign, Rosický had scored one goal and made 34 appearances in all competitions for the Gunners: ref?
  • Ref in stats section, as above.
• Arsenal had been losing by two goals but Rosický scored Arsenal's third as Arsenal went on to win 5–2: a little confusing
  • Reworded sentence.
• against Milan: Inter Milan or AC Milan, and wikilink
  • Done.
• the Hawthorns: capital 'T'?
  • The Wikipedia article doesn't use capital T mid-sentence, but I am not sure, so I have reworded the sentence to avoid the issue.
• He managed 16 competitive appearances for Arsenal, scoring three times in the 2012–13 season: ref?
  • Ref in stats section, as above.

Sorry for the fact that my on wiki time at the minute varies quite a bit, but hopefully its all downhill from here. Thanks for your review, which I'll try and resolve soon, Matty.007 12:47, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I have addressed all your points. Thanks, C679 08:17, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Apoloogies for some of my more simple errors (only goal, asking for final score) and replying to my queries. The 'Club career' section all looks OK now.

• 'International career': I would prefer fewer 1 sentence paragraphs, but I don't think there's much you can do with it
• On 9 February 2011, he started in an international friendly match against Croatia at Stadion Maksimir, and scored a goal in the 45th minute in a 4–2 defeat: please source
  • Removed, inaccurate.
• in a World Cup qualifier against San Marino: score?
  • Added.
• In August 2006, Rosický was made captain of the Czech Republic national side, replacing the retiring Pavel Nedvěd in advance of the UEFA Euro 2008 qualifying process.[74] His last appearance of the qualifying campaign was against Slovakia in November 2007.[75]
  Rosický missed Euro 2008 due to injury, announcing his absence in May 2008.[33] He returned to international football when he started for the Czech Republic on 9 September 2009, in a World Cup qualifier against San Marino, following a 20 month absence due to injury.[75] On 9 February 2011, he started in an international friendly match against Croatia at Stadion Maksimir, and scored a goal in the 45th minute in a 4–2 defeat.: merge paras?
  • Merged.
• In August 2006, Rosický was made captain of the Czech Republic national side, replacing the retiring Pavel Nedvěd in advance of the UEFA Euro 2008 qualifying process: results (i.e. how many won, drawn, lost)
  • Sorry, didn't comment here. He was made captain as an event, not connected with the qualification process but beforehand. The article makes it clear the Czech Republic qualified, but for detailed breakdown of that, I think the place is the national team page. C679 19:06, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
• The last of these was the winning goal in the second leg of the Czech Republic's play-off against Norway to ensure qualification for the finals: score?
  • Reworded.
• part in the first game due to suspension: score?
  • Added.
• He played in his nation's first two matches at Euro 2000 during Patrik Berger's international suspension before Berger replaced him ahead of the Czech Republic's final game, against Denmark: scores?
  • The reference indicates they were two losses. I have added that much.

Sorry for asking for lots of scores... Thanks, Matty.007 16:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC) I have addressed all of that. Thanks, C679 19:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. No more review today I'm afraid, I'm working on Kingstonian so hopefully that can be finished before the deadline too, this looks like it will pass in a few days. Thanks, Matty.007 19:21, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• Style of play: Tomas? No accent?
• Announcing 2012's contract extension: "announcing Rosicky's 2012 contract extension"
• Single or double speech marks (" or '), as opposed to both
• Arsenal manager Wenger described Rosický as having "great technique, skill on the ball and sharp passing".[9] Upon signing a contract extension in 2010, Wenger called him a "special talent" and said "Tomas' vision and touch is remarkable".[38] Announcing 2012's contract extension, Wenger called him "technically top class".[51] Wenger said of Rosický: 'He is a real Arsenal man because he is here for a long time. He is really a football player who presents the way we want to play football, because he's a team player who has pace, has a quick brain, understands the game well, and I always like to have him in the team because of all these qualities.' [80] Here there are 5 Wenger quotes. This isn't really adding much, he's his manager, he's going to sing his praises (unless he's calling them old). Remove one or two at least and find some more neutral reviews I think
• The Guardian: wikilink?
• Would it be possible to write some prose on individual awards, or do you feel they are adequetly mentioned in his 'Club career' (Dennis Bergkamp has prose for personal awards but I think he was more famous and won more)
• Rsssf in caps (for abbreviation)
• His son, also named Tomáš, was born to girlfriend Radka Kocurová in June 2013.: I'm guessing you mean this guy's son, not his dad's: make it clearer
• He is reported to be a proficient guitarist, and has played live with Tři sestry.: he either is or isn't, what does the source say? Also, please can you say something about Tři sestry being a band?
• Rosický was able to hone his guitar skills during his 18 months on the sidelines because of his hamstring injury: perhaps merge with previous sentence?
• Is his playing at an awards ceremony not a little bit of trivia? That's all I think (bar a few queries regarding RS at WT:Wikiproject football). Once these are fixed, final read through and hopefully pass. I don't think I'll get Kingstonian ready in time for the end of this cup round, and I don't think I need the points but if I do I'll try and give you some warning. Thanks, Matty.007 18:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and [8] which you are using as a reference has a fee for his transfer to Arsenal, is it an estimate? Thanks, Matty.007 18:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

• Almost everything should be taken care of. The article doesn't specify the transfer fee that Arsenal paid, only that Arsenal signed "25-year-old Rosický on a long-term contract for an undisclosed fee". Since it was undisclosed it seems worthless to list an estimated value. I will get on to referencing the honours tomorrow. Thanks, C679 20:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
  • OK I have referenced the club honours and removed the individual "awards" which could not be referenced. Thanks, C679 05:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Another suggestion was made at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Queries. Directly source quote in lead, probably make Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger has described him as a player with remarkable vision, precision and first touch. a quote.
      • Not a direct quote, and not a good paraphrase for the lead; I have removed it from the lead. C679 15:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
• transfer fee paid by a Bundesliga club: perhaps amount?
  • Added. C679 15:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
• Fix these and I'll pass on Saturday (not on wikipedia tomorrow). Thanks, Matty.007 20:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Mobile edit: pass. Matty.007 22:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Congratulations! Thanks, Matty.007 08:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)