Talk:Toyota FJ Cruiser

Manual Transmission; Torsen on Front Rear and Center?

Stated in the "Powertrain" subcategory; "Four-wheel drive models equipped with the RA61F manual transmission have a full-time 4WD system that is permanently engaged; it employs front, center and rear TORSEN differentials, with a locking feature and distributes the engine's power 40:60 under most driving conditions."

I own a manual 2008 Trail Teams, and as far as I know, FJ Cruisers with manual transmission have center T3 type Torsen differentials only. Can anybody confirm that they also have Torsen's on the front and rear? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patwinkle (talk • contribs) 18:43, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Archived previous discussion

I have some information regarding Toyota SUVs and trucks built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia (possibly Europe as well but at this time I do not think so). I posted it as an update on the Toyota Land Cruiser and FJ Cruiser articles as well as other Toyota articles. I probably rushed to fast and I received feedback from some users regarding this. I probably should have looked for solid references (as was advised in the feedback). I do believe that at least some of the main points in my edit are fact and I do admit that some of it contains future speculation as well.

I invite all interested users to debate my proposed edit on these discussion pages to determine what parts of my edit (if any) should be posted on the official article. The information that is in my proposed post are things that potential customers of these products deserve to know.

Here is a draft of my proposed edit (that was posted on the Land Cruiser article as well as some other articles relating to Toyota SUVs and Trucks and then removed pending online debate):

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Toyota SUV’s and trucks (built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia as well) including the Land Cruiser (this includes FJ Cruiser) and 4Runner as well as others are used by Osama Bin Laden’s illegal Al Qaeda terrorist army and their Taliban partners. In the United States this is becoming controversial because Americans who buy these vehicles can be seen as extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy. As a result, these products might get vandalized in many different ways including spray paint, scratching, damaging lights, windows, etc. This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive. Passions will most likely increase later in 2006 as the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches. There are also 2 movies about 9/11 that are planned for release in theaters in 2006. After this time the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase (especially ones built after the 2006 model year) as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America. If this results in big insurance rate increases, the owners of these vehicles will be spending a lot more money to own and drive them.

(End of proposed draft edit)

As mentioned in this article I have information regarding these vehicles being used by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban on the battlefield in the same way that the Jeep was used by America and its allies against Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire in World War 2. I have watched several news reports on news networks such as CNN, BBC, CBS, NBC, as well as others regarding Al-Qaeda and I have spotted these vehicles on these news reports many times (especially as the war on terror was first starting) including the Toyota Land Cruiser. Land Cruisers are easy to recognize. And I also saw what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles. I believe that this is something that people (especially potential customers for these vehicles) should know. I invite all interested users to join this debate and share any information you all might have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlossantos2004 (talk • contribs)

Inflammatory drivel, probably made up by the poster in order to defame Toyota. Toyota vehicles are used around the world by almost every nation and almost every political group in the world. How are they "supporting" any poltical movement more than another? Toyotas have been used in alot of other world conflicts against Americans. Should we boycott them or dicipline others who own Toyotas over something that neither of these parties can control? It's not like these people are going straight to Toyota and getting the vehicles from them for free. They go to the Toyota dealer and buy them just like any other human on the planet. Think about this, Toyota actually hires more American factory workers than most American car companies. Look at Ford, they are laying off American workers to give the jobs to Mexico. Most GMs are made in Mexico or Canada. Many of Toyota's American lineup is made by Americans in America. Once again this is just inflammatory drivel that has no place being on Wikipedia. Lost Cosmonaut 16:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

-- (Reply to Lost Cosmonaut) I am aware that many Toyota vehicles are built in North America. This proposed edit is not about the Toyota vehicles built in North America. This proposed edit is about certain Toyota models built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia (possibly Europe as well but I do not think so at this time) that are used in the illegal terrorist Al-Qaeda army. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlossantos2004 (talk • contribs)

I don't see how the proposed edit has anything to do with the vehicle in question. It seems like the proposition is more of a political rant about based upon speculation. This is more chaos theory than fact. --Zsinj^Talk 03:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Whether it's true or not, it does not seem relevant to the FJ Cruiser which is primarily marketed and sold in the US. I recall several news reports discussing Toyota pickups being used by various forces and nationalities (Somali rebels, for example) but I've never heard of vandalism attributed to that. justfred

This is preposterous.

What does this have to do with anything? It's not like Toyota provides them for free, in fact they don't want him using their products but can't do anything about it.[1]--Folksong 16:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Toyota: Official sponsor of fascist theocrats everywhere? Oh, please.

1. I've never heard anybody (except Wlossantos2004) rant about the unpatriotic purchase of a Toyota on the grounds of their use by al-Qaeda and others. It's not like Ryder went out of business after the Oklahoma City attacks. 2. Toyota can't help who comes into their showrooms and buys their vehicles, and anyway, it's not like Osama bin Laden walks into the Riyadh dealership and buys 20 Land Cruisers with an Al-Qaeda By VISA credit card. 3. Why are Toyotas (primarily Land Cruisers) used by rebel armies and insurgencies across the world anyway? Probably for the same reason they are used by the United Nations, Jurassic Park writers, and government military forces across the globe. They're very reliable, rugged, and effective, while not being obscenely expensive (okay, the Land Cruiser does cost a lot in the U.S. when you put leather and everything else in it, but they haven't always come that way everywhere). That's hardly an indictment against them. The Nazis used captured American/British Sherman tanks against us because they were effective, as well. And our #1 Axis of Evil member, Iran, has Grumman F-14 Tomcats (that we sold them). I guess we should boycott Lockheed! 4. "[T]he possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase...as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America." ?! Boy, that doesn't sound like it violates NPOV in any way, does it? Wikipedia is no place for lunatic partisan rants, especially ones that don't cite their sources. As to the detailed forms of vandalism for this reason argument, Wlossantos2004 should be careful, since his rhetoric sounds to me almost as if he's advocating such a thing, which would be a crime in the United States.Sacxpert 20:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Factoids from wikipeida Land Cruiser History

1941 - The Japanese government tasked Toyota to produce a light truck for their military campaign. Toyota developed a prototype, the 2-ton AK10 in 1942. It was not a success and the production run went to Nissan instead. There are no known surviving photographs of the AK10. The only known pictorial representations are some rough sketches. The truck featured an upright front grille, flat front wheel arches that angled down and back like the later FJ40, and headlights that were mounted above the wheel arches on either side of the radiator. It had a folding windscreen. The US Army Jeep arrived in the Pacific in May 1943.

1950 - The Korean War created demand for a military light utility vehicle, an updated Jeep, on Japan's doorstep. The U.S. put out a request to tender for 100 vehicles - the exact requirement spec is unknown. Toyota did not respond to this tender.

The above description has no attribution or citation other than being copied from another erroneous wiki article.

Here is the official Toyota timeline, from http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2005121931920

TOYOTA LAND CRUISER TIMELINE
12/19/2005
1935 – Toyoda initiates manufacturer of trucks with the G1
1937 – Toyota Motor Co. founded from its roots in Toyoda Automatic Loom Works
1939 – G1 becomes the GB, with 75-hp Type B engine
1950 – Development begins on 4x4 AK10 utility vehicle using the Type B engine
1951 – BJ sold to Japan’s National Police Agency
1953 – Large-scale BJ production begins
1954 – BJ named Land Cruiser

"While the FJ Cruiser's styling recalls the FJ40, the taproot of its family tree stretches back past the FJ40 to a vehicle called the BJ, which descends from a 1950 4x4 prototype called the AK10"

TRD Special Edition

According to Toyota: MSRP $7,250.00

Black Diamond exterior
Exterior color-keyed interior door panels and center instrument panel inserts
A-TRAC and Rear Differential lock
TRD tuned Bilstein shocks absorbers
TRD exhaust system
TRD 16
aluminum alloy wheels (5)
TRD Special Edition badge (tailgate and dashboard mounted)
TRD logo all-season floor and cargo mats
rock rails
multi-information display (dash mounted with outside temperature, compass and inclinometer) 2-1 audio with 6-disc changer and 8 speakers
driver and front passenger front seat mounted side bolster airbags and first and second row curtain shield airbags
leather steering wheel w/audio
controls and cruise control function
metallic shift lever
keyless entry
power outside mirror with illuminated markers
daytime running lights
rear privacy glass
rear wiper

rear intuitive parking assist

I don't see airfilter in here???

What Toyota publishes can end up being different - you know? Fact is - I just picked up an FJ Cruiser not too long ago. In speaking with the sales staff, and seeing the list of options on the TRD Special Edition, it includes a "TRD air filter". In ordering my own FJ (and not wanting the huge markup), I came close enough to having what we owners think is better - more options (with conv. pkg and upgrade pkg 2), plus 'add ons'... even the 'regular' FJ includes:

Black Diamond exterior (if you want a 'regular' one in black diamond, you can get it)
Exterior color-keyed interior door panels and center instrument panel inserts (mine are yellow, and match)
A-TRAC and Rear Differential lock (comes with the pkg)
rock rails (accessory available with all FJs)
multi-information display (dash mounted with outside temperature, compass and inclinometer) (this comes with conv pkg)
2-1 audio with 6-disc changer and 8 speakers (comes with upgrade pkg 1 or 2)
driver and front passenger front seat mounted side bolster airbags and first and second row curtain shield airbags (curtain airbags are accessory available with all FJs)
leather steering wheel w/audio (available with upgrade pkg 1 or 2)
controls and cruise control function (available with conv pkg)
metallic shift lever (available with upgrade pkg)
keyless entry (available with conv pkg)
power outside mirror with illuminated markers (available with conv pkg)
daytime running lights (available with conv pkg)
rear privacy glass (available with conv pkg)
rear wiper (available with conv pkg)
rear intuitive parking assist (available with conv pkg)

only difference with TRD Special Edition are: TRD tuned Bilstein shocks absorbers (which I didn't want)
TRD exhaust system (which I ordered)
TRD 16" aluminum alloy wheels (5) (17" alloy come with upgrade pkg)
TRD Special Edition badge (tailgate and dashboard mounted) (just a piece of plastic)
TRD logo all-season floor and cargo mats (only difference from regular all-season mats and cargo mat is the logo)
and the last item, not on your list, is the TRD air filter, which I also ordered - I still have the box that says "TRD" on it, if you would like a photo copy of it.
Remember this - what was published months ago can be different from what is available today (or available in different regions of the US). Rarelibra 06:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Compact SUV category?

How exactly does this vehicle fit into the Compact SUV category? It's larger than the Highlanders I see on the road today. --KJRehberg 21:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Toyota now has TWO SUVs in each category: the FJ Cruiser and RAV4 in the compact class; the 4-Runner and the Highlander in the mid-size class; and the Land Cruiser and the Sequoia in the full-size class. That's just the way it is, and how they are classified. The number comparison is:

• Overall length/width/heighth: Highlander - 184.6/71.9/ 67.9 (4WD:68.3); FJ Cruiser - 183.9/74.6/71.3/72.0
• Wheelbase: Highlander - 106.9; FJ Cruiser - 105.9
• Front/rear track: Highlander - 62.2/61.6 (4WD: 62.0/61.2); FJ Cruiser - 63.2/63.6
• Head room: Highlander - 40.0/39.8/32.2 38.6/38.9/32.3; FJ Cruiser - 41.3/40.3
• Shoulder room: Highlander - 57.9/57.0/53.2; FJ Cruiser - 58.4/53.9
• Hip room: Highlander - 55.1/54.9/39.8; FJ Cruiser - 55.4/51.0
• Leg room: Highlander - 40.7/36.4/30.2; FJ Cruiser - 41.9/31.3

I know, it doesn't add up. But the Highlander has a seating capacity of 7 (some models), and the FJ Cruiser only 5. Rarelibra 21:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The FJ is a midsize in every mention of it in the media. It is larger than the Highlander in width and height. It's wheelbase is shorter only due to its "sort-of" two-door nature. Does that somehow make the two-door Wrangler a compact and the four-door a midsize? Even a compact RAV4 has 7 seats, while a fullsize Range Rover has 5. Gtmash 09:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The Highlander should be now considered the "full-size" crossover counterpart to the Sequoia and Land Cruiser, as it shares the same platform with the Avalon. The Venza should get more off-road capability so it could be a better competitor in the "mid-size" crossover segment, and the "compact" RAV4 should be left the way it is. Regarding the BOF SUVs, the FJ and the 4Runner should be both considered "mid-size" while the Land Cruiser and the Sequoia are "full-size". The FJ and Land Cruisers are mainly just niche counterparts to the 4Runner and Sequoia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.237.68 (talk) 07:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

External links

This article has too many external links, many of which violate the external link guidelines - WP:EL. I encourage editors familiar with the article to review these guidelines and begin the process of cleaning up the links. In particular, links to forums and other social networking sites are strongly discouraged. Keep in mind, Wikipedia is not a directory of external links - WP:NOT Nposs 01:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed ALL of the regional forums - those are definitely not needed. Also removed the forums that are Toyota general and NOT specific to FJ Cruiser. I will ensure the list no longer hosts any 'weeds'. :) Rarelibra 02:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. It appears that a few more need to go, too:

• http://www.fjcruiser.cc/forum/ - requires registration (major violation of WP:EL)
• http://www.myfjcruiser.com/index.php - very low content (non-notable)
• http://www.toyota-fj-cruiser.com/ - low content/high ad ratio, no substantive posts for over a month Nposs 03:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

In regards to this revert: I am aware that it is only a guideline. I did not remove all links to all forums - I only removed the three links discussed immediately above. For these three links, I gave clear reasons as for why they violated the guidelines in such a way that they do not warrant inclusion. I won't revert back, but I encourage you to explain why they should be kept even though they violate the guidelines in ways beyond simply "being a forum." Nposs 04:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

if you noticed, I reverted my edit. Cheers. !! Rarelibra 06:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The anonymous editor was correct... however, he keeps attempting to put the link back up! Rarelibra 19:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we reached an amicable agreement. And, no, El_C does not stand for El Chupacabra :P El_C 20:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it is time to prune the links again. For certain, there should be no additional section devoted to links to forums. Please discuss readditions here prior to posting. Nposs 04:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like there are two forum sites in External Link again. Both require registration (see above). Someone should prune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.85.244 (talk) 22:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Pricing

I corrected the pricing to the numbers that are found on the Toyota website. The link listed on the page shows the base price of the two wheel drive model to be $22,110. The page that shows the MSRP of the TRD model runs in some type of flash player, so I wasn't able to link directly to that page, but it can be found by going to http://www.toyota.com/fjcruiser/index.html and following the links to the Fj Cruiser Bulletin, and then TRD special edition, and then specifications. It shows the price to be $30,355 for the manual and $30,750 for the automatic. Eli6 03:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Please note - you are confusing the BASE price of the TRD with the actual SELLING price (which includes the premium add-on of the TRD package). Please do not change this - when you look at the sticker on the side of a TRD, you will see the BASE pricing as quoted versus the total sticker price after the TRD package and other options are added. Rarelibra 12:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Base pricing for a TRD doesn't make any sense, because you can't get the TRD special edition without getting the TRD package- it is not an optional add on. The TRD package is what makes it a TRD special edition, therefore base price is the price that it costs to buy a TRD. If you doubt it follow the links that I outlined above. It is misleading to say that base price is "US $24,145 (including the TRD Special Edition - see below)" when it is impossible to get a TRD special edition for $24,145. Again, base price for a TRD special edition is $30,355 for the manual transmission model. Eli6 17:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but the BASE pricing for a TRD is DIFFERENT than for a standard FJ. The "TRD" is a package add-on. Thus, the TOTAL price is the one you quote, not the BASE. Rarelibra 18:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I can see that you are confused about what the TRD special edition FJ cruiser is. It is a special edition model, and it starts at $30,355. There is no BASE price that is less than that, because you cannot get the TRD special edition without the TRD package. Just like you can't get a 4-wheel drive model without 4-wheel drive. I have listed links to the official Toyota website that show the price, and unless you can show proof from the official toyota website that shows otherwise, the pricing needs to be changed. You can argue about what you think base price is, but unless there is proof that you can get a TRD special edition FJ for the so called "BASE" price, it doesn't matter what your opinion is. Eli6 20:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Pay attention:

• Only 3,200 units of the TRD Special Edition FJ Cruiser will be built. The Special Edition package will carry a base MSRP of $7,265 on manual transmission models and $7,250 for models with an automatic transmission.[[2]]
• The '07 FJ Cruiser starts at $23,090 for the manual-transmission model and $23,500 with the automatic. The TRD package will add $7,265 to the manual version and $7,250 to the automatic. Vehicles should start arriving at Toyota dealers in November, right after SEMA. [[3]]
• Toyota plans to produce some 3,200 units of the TRD Special Edition FJ Cruiser for the '07 model year, with the package carrying a $7,265 premium on manual transmission models and $7,250 for automatic-equipped models. Base prices for FJ Cruiser four-wheel drive models start at $23,735 for the manual transmission and $24,145 for an automatic transmission. Prices include a destination and handling charge of $645. [[4]]

Let's see - that's an online site, Edmunds, and Motor Trend. HERE's a good reference for you, you can take a look at the BASE PRICE section that lists

Trim Name	Retail Price	Dealer Invoice	Destination Charge
2WD Base 4-door wagon, automatic	$22,110	$20,120	$645
4WD Base 4-door wagon, manual	$23,290	$21,191	$645
4WD Base 4-door wagon, automatic	$23,700	$21,567	$645

Hmmmm.... I don't see "TRD base" in there. Let's continue - look at the section called "Optional Equipment":

Major Packages	Retail Price	Invoice Price
TRD Special Edition
4WD manual	$7,265	$5,815
4WD automatic	$7,250	$5,803

Hmmmmm.... looks like a PACKAGE that is added to the BASE price. Then it goes on to list the various options included in the TRD package.

One more thing - I own one. Do you? Next time do your homework and figure out the difference between a BASE price and a STICKER (or MSRP) price.

Consider yourself educated. Rarelibra 21:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Funny that none of those link to the official toyota website. Its also funny that none of the sites that you list show that it is possible to buy a TRD special edition without the TRD package. BASE price means that you can buy the vehicle at that price. You CANNOT buy a TRD special edition without the TRD package. Just like you cannot buy a 4-wheel drive model at the 2-wheel drive base price. I think that you need to go to the official toyota website and see for yourself. Let me walk you through the links step by step. Go to http://www.toyota.com/fjcruiser/index.html then click on the link that says "FJ cruiser bulletin" then under "FJ motorsports" click "special edition TRD" then "Enter" then "View TRD special edition info" then "specifications". This is where you will find the price of the TRD special edition FJ. This is the official toyota website, not "leftlanenews" or "consumerguideauto" as you have referenced. The problem with the article is that it is misleading to write that the base price is "US $24,145 (including the TRD Special Edition)" because it makes it seem that you can buy a TRD for 24,145. This is not the case. Eli6 22:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess you just don't get it, then. So be it. But the pricing is outlined as such - EVEN ON THE TOYOTA SITE. You CANNOT buy a "TRD FJ Cruiser" - you buy an FJ Cruiser with the TRD PACKAGE. Oh - by the way - because you can't figure it out I will explain it to you - those press releases and official sites I quoted - that information COMES FROM TOYOTA and has be be officially approved. Just because you cannot figure out the difference between the BASE price of a model (the FJ Cruiser) versus the MSRP of an ADD ON PACKAGE (the TRD special edition package) doesn't mean that your assumptions are correct. First of all you have to buy an FJ model to have the TRD package, plain and simple. My FJ has everything the TRD edition has except the badges and paint job - and it was cheaper. The special edition is not a separate vehicle - it is the base vehicle with an added package, period. Rarelibra 00:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I can see that there is some sensitivity regarding the definition of the phrase "base price". To avoid this controversy, I listed base pricing for the 2 and 4 wheel drive models and msrp for the TRD special edition. This information is absolutely correct and now it avoids using "base price" to refer to the TRD. Obviously the TRD is not a different vehicle, but neither are the 2 and 4 wheel drive versions, but they still have separate pricing. I hope this edit will not offend anyone, no matter what color of roof they have on their FJ. Eli6 02:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted your edits - since you are missing the point and you are altering information that is correct. The TRD is a package add-on, the MSRP of the TRD - as you can see above - is based off the package pricing of approximately $7,200. THAT is the MSRP of the TRD package - the "selling price" of the TRD is $30,000+ - but the BASE PRICE still remains. Please stop doing these incorrect edits. Rarelibra 12:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

My opinion: It looks like Eli6 is concerned that the article implies that someone can buy a "TRD Special Edition FJ Cruiser" for the base price of the FJ Cruiser rather than the price of the cruiser plus the TRD package, while Rarelibra maintains that adding the price of the TRD package doesn't result in a base price. I think both are correct here, although the latest edit[5] does a pretty good job at clarifying this confusion. I can suggest one improvement, though: instead of stating "Base price for the TRD Special Edition FJ Cruiser is", restate it something like this:

Base price for the FJ Cruiser is approximately US$23,735 (manual transmission) and US$24,145 (automatic transmission) with the TRD Special Edition package carrying a premium of US$7,265 (manual transmission) and US$7,250 (automatic transmission), resulting in a TRD Special Edition FJ Cruiser MSRP of approximately US$31,000 for manual transmission models and US$31,395 for automatic transmission models.

-- Anomie 17:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - already taken care of in the text, since some cannot decipher between base price and MSRP. Rarelibra 17:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Anomie, your suggestion makes good sense to me, and is remarkably similar to the edit that I had in place before rarelibra changed it. I had it listed as MSRP, and I completely understand the difference between that and base price. It was listed as MSRP and still got changed. It seems to me that someone is a little insecure about the color of the roof on their FJ, and it shows in their edits. Eli6 02:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

LOL - wow, Eli - you seem very immature. Keep on thinking what you need to think - you are clueless when it comes to pricing. Rarelibra 01:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Body cracking in potential problems section

I own an FJ- with no body cracking. I really do not believe that these vehicles have this "potential problem".. I'd like to see some facts to back up the claim, or else the potential problem removed from this article. As you can see from the rest of the comments here, some people have a need to post negative comments and spin about this vehicle.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.71.170.194 (talk) 05:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem has been reported on several message boards, including ToyotaFJCruiserForums.com. I posted the original change with no particular animus. I've owned a number of vehicles that had major problems, and I think consumers have a right to know what may develop into a major problem. For more information on the body cracks, see the following. http://www.toyotafjcruiserforums.com/exterior/94-fj-body-cracking.htmlhttp://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?p=2447998#post2447998

The following news article also suggests a repeated cracking problem with the windshields. http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0607/431141.html This makes me wonder if there isn't an excessive amount of body flex in the front end of this vehicle that could explain the cracking. Again, this was just as a heads up, not intended to bash the vehicle. Jo7hs2 01:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Further education on MSRP vs Base Price

I added this to your talk page, but I want it to be here in the article talk so that there is no confusion. This should be crystal clear:

What is a dealer invoice?
A dealer invoice, also called a factory invoice, is the bill from an automaker to a dealer for a vehicle the dealer acquires for the purpose of selling. A genuine dealer invoice always shows the name of the manufacturer, the name of the original dealer who ordered it (name may be different from the dealership that the customer is visiting due to dealer trades/inventory balancing etc.), and the vehicle’s identification number, or VIN.

Listed on a dealer invoice are the charges the dealer must pay the manufacturer for a vehicle, and also the suggested prices the manufacturer recommends the dealer charge consumers when selling the car at retail. The manufacturer’s charges to the dealer constitute a vehicle’s invoice price. The recommended retail prices constitute the Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price, or MSRP.

What factors make up the invoice price of a vehicle?
Invoice price is the amount a manufacturer charges a dealership for a new automobile. This sum includes the base price of a vehicle, all options added by the manufacturer, delivery (destination) charges, holdback, regional advertising assessments, and other costs such as fuel added to the tank at the factory. Some invoices even charge for the invoice itself.

What is the difference between invoice price and base invoice price (or base price)? Base invoice price is the base wholesale charge to the dealer before options, preferred equipment packages (such as the TRD package), destination charges, etc. are added.

Can a dealer ask a price higher than MSRP?
The Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is a vehicle’s retail selling price as recommended by the manufacturer. Dealer profit is built into every item; as a result, all elements of MSRP are negotiable. A dealer may add an additional markup to the MSRP. The extra amount appears on the dealer’s price sticker normally referred to the “side sticker” or “dealer addendum” (not on the manufacturers window sticker called the Monroney label) and may be termed a "marketing adjustment" or ”additional dealer mark-up,” etc. Such added markup amounts can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars, depending entirely upon consumer demand, product availability and what the market will bear for a specific model. To learn whether a vehicle carries an additional dealer mark-up, ask that each item on the dealer’s price sticker be identified and explained in full.

What are preferred equipment packages? Do all cars have them or can I order a car without a package?
Preferred equipment packages (also known as “value equipment” or “popular equipment” packages) are different from trim level packages. A trim level package such as GT, XLT, Eddie Bauer, Limited, etc. may offer two or more preferred equipment packages to choose from. These preferred packages normally include equipment such as power windows and locks, air conditioning and stereos bundled in different groups to appeal to different buyers, and they usually offer savings over ordering the items individually. Most manufacturers require a preferred equipment package to be designated when the dealer orders a vehicle from the factory, so it is likely that a car on a franchise dealer's lot will contain some type of preferred equipment package.

Thus, now it should be very clear that even the TRD special edition FJ Cruiser has a BASE price (or base invoice price) that the dealer incurs, PLUS the MSRP of the TRD special edition package that is added in, to reflect the invoice price or MSRP of the actual vehicle itself. Rarelibra 13:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

My last edit listed the price of the TRD special edition as MSRP. This is consistent with the information that you have provided here. I didn't list it as base price, because it is obvious that you feel very strongly about it not being called "base price". So what is the problem with listing it as MSRP? This is a completely accurate and factual way to list the price. These prices come directly off of the toyota website. The reason that I changed it in the first place is because it seems misleading to say that the base price for the TRD edition is $24,000. This makes it seem like you can buy a TRD for $24,000 when in reality, they are not offered under $30,000. The base price is arbitrary when the TRD special edition is not offered at the base price. Eli6 16:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It is NOT misleading to list the base price and MSRP for the TRD special edition package. Because the base price IS $24,000, and you add on the $7,000+ MSRP TRD package to the model for the INVOICE price (or MSRP) total of $30,000+. It doesn't make it seem that way at all - if you READ the descriptions of packages and options I provided on your talk page and above. Regards. Rarelibra 16:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

There should probably be a sectionon the appearance. Most people think this is the ugliest thing on the road.

Body cracking?

My father just bought a brand new FJ Cruiser (2008) with great expectations , which it easily surpassed. I added the link to the BODY CRACKING forum in the Potential Problems category but it seems to me as though this only occured in the first year of the FJ's production. I don't know if I'm right about this because the FJ was primarily built for off-road use which in extreme conditions (examples: A rock, log, or other large objects hitting the vehicle) may cause the wheel wells to crack. That is my own theory and it seems likely that that is the case. People playing in the mud with their new 4X4 who wreck it, are of course going to try to blame it on Toyota and get a free repair. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. I mean it. Leave messages on my User page. LAZZO (talk) 18:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

FJ a SMALL suv?

The RAV4 is 3300lbs curb weight. The FJ is about 4300 (my manual model). It is much closer to the Ford Explorer (A medium SUV) in weight than the RAV4.

The actual length of vehicle seems less relevant when considering vehicle "size", than weight is. I really don't think that the article's claim that Toyota is marketing the FJ next to the RAV4 as a small SUV is backed by any information from Toyota (even if it's deduced).

Also; The FJ is less an "SUV" and more of a true offroad vehicle. The FJ Cruiser is no more an SUV than a Jeep Wrangler is an SUV.

Although the radical looks may confuse the observer, the FJ was built to represent the TOYOTA offroad capability. Most people who think the FJ is an SUV find it to be less practical than what they were expecting. Like I saidl, looks can be decieving. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.223.156 (talk) 01:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Guangzhou-Toyota FJ Cruiser

In regards to the name of this vehicle in China, user 91.89.156.99 says that the proper name is 'Guangzhou-Toyota FJ Cruiser' ('广汽TOYOTA FJ酷路泽' in simplified Chinese). No reference is given except his summary points to the German Wikipedia. A weblink given in the German article took me to [6] where it prominently displays 'FJ Cruiser' (Cruiser also given in small Chinese characters above the English word). The first 2 characters in '广汽TOYOTA FJ酷路泽' mean 'Guangzhou Automobile' (Guangzhou is a city in China, not too far from Hong Kong, where I lived for 6 years). This is similar to many other cities and countries where the city or country name is attached (eg Toyota Australia, Toyota USA). So I believe that the model name in China is simply 'FJ Cruiser', or its Chinese character equivalent 'FJ酷路泽', and that it is distributed (at least in the city of Guangzhou) by the Guangzhou-Toyota company.

So, should we leave 'Guangzhou-Toyota FJ Cruiser' in the aka field? If so, then we must also add 'Toyota Australia FJ Cruiser', 'Toyota USA FJ Cruiser', 'Toyota UK FJ Cruiser', 'Toyota Spain FJ Cruiser', 'Beijing Toyota FJ Cruiser', 'Shanghai Toyota FJ Cruiser', 'New York Toyota FJ Cruiser', 'Sydney Toyota FJ Cruiser', etc.  Stepho  (talk) 04:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I've been wandering around the GAC website and found "广州丰田还在本次车展上公布了其中文名：FJ酷路泽" ("Guangzhou Toyota also announced this auto show its Chinese name: FJ Lu Ze cool" where "Lu Ze cool" roughly translates to "cool road" or "cruise") at the following Chinese page: [7] (English translation by google: [8]). I also found many, many pages from car shows and Toyota dealerships all over China talking about the FJ Cruiser or the FJ酷路泽 but only GAC (Guangzhou Automobile Company) has the occasional mention of 广汽TOYOTA FJ酷路泽 (Guangzhou Automobile Toyota FJ Cruiser).  Stepho  (talk) 14:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Diesel FJ Cruiser

Sales seem to be dropping for the FJ Crusier. Fuel economy is an issue in my opinion. Why not offer a 4 cylinder Diesel engine alternative? Great torque, better fuel economy. Comments welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.196.21 (talk) 03:22, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, this talk page is meant for discussions about how to improve the Wikipedia article, not for general discussions about the vehicle itself.  Stepho  (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Curb weight

I don't understand how the curb weight for the automatic can be higher in lbs and lower in kg than the manual (copied from page): 4,290 lb (1,950 kg) (4WD manual) 4,295 lb (1,948 kg) (4WD automatic) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.32.32 (talk) 14:17, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The {{convert}} template will try to round according to the number of 0's at the end of its input. So 4290 lb had it's output rounded from 1946 kg up to 1950 kg. I have altered it so that rounding is done to single digit kg.  Stepho  talk  21:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't look like it worked... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.32.32 (talk) 17:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Which numbers are you looking at? The numbers in question are in the infobox and after the correction in Feb I see them as

4,050 lb (1,837 kg) (2WD)

4,290 lb (1,946 kg) (4WD manual)

4,295 lb (1,948 kg) (4WD automatic)  Stepho  talk  21:53, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

China

I had never seen or heard of this car before, but I noticed a few on a short trip to China, suggesting to me that they must be moderately popular there. This article mentions only Japanese and Anglosphere sales; I'm sure it could be improved. Mnealon (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Discontinued 2014

Currently the US version of the Toyota website states: FJ Cruiser has been discontinued, making the 2014 FJ Cruiser the last model year.

I can't find any information about it being continued in other locations. From my own experience, I know they won't be available in Canada either, but both the Canadian and Australian official Toyota websites still have the pages active.

I'm not sure if the page should be updated until everything is confirmed? Millsy (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

In the words of Charlie Brown "Arrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!" This has been aggravating me ever since the US announcement. Yes, the LHD model made in America has been discontinued. The RHD model made in Japan continues on. The lead paragraph says "It will however continue to be made for sale in other markets such as Australia[6][7] and The Middle East.[8]" and provides 3 references. It is still listed on Toyota's Japanese website http://toyota.jp/rav4/?padid=ag001_i_carlineup_search, their Australian website http://www.toyota.com.au/rav4-interactive and many others.  Stepho  talk  23:32, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

File:FJ Cruiser 2007.jpg to appear as POTD soon

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:FJ Cruiser 2007.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on August 8, 2017. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2017-08-08. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Picture of the day

The Toyota FJ Cruiser is a mid-size SUV with styling and off road performance reminiscent of the original Toyota Land Cruiser (FJ40). Introduced as a concept car at the 2003 North American International Auto Show, a production version debuted two years later. Produced by the Toyota subsidiary Hino Motors and sharing many structural underpinnings with the Prado, the FJ Cruiser was discontinued in the United States in 2014 after selling more than 150,000 units. It was discontinued worldwide in 2016.Photograph: Stefan Krause

reminiscent of FJ40

Saschaporsche and myself disagree about the inclusion of "with styling and off road performance reminiscent of the original Toyota Land Cruiser (FJ40)" (with book reference) in the intro. From a marketing viewpoint, I think it's styling cues being taken from the FJ40 (grill, horizontal fenders, upright front window, 'TOYOTA' badge instead of bean with hat logo) were a major reason for the vehicle's existence.  Stepho  talk  22:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

FJ Cruiser discontinued in Japan

Sales of the FJ Cruiser was discontinued in Japan on 31 January 2018 and it was removed from the car line-up list on Japanese Toyota website.

Still being sold in UAE

According to http://www.toyota.ae/new-cars/fj-cruiser/#specification it is still being sold in the United Arab Emirates. Does anybody know if they are still being made in a Japanese factory or if they are merely trying to shift old stock that was made a few years ago? We know they are no longer making LHD models for the US and that RHD drive markets have also stopped (UAE is LHD). Any other markets still selling them?  Stepho  talk  13:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Still sold in Bahrain as a 2021 model year so I doubt its old stock. Alawadhi3000 (talk) 09:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks.  Stepho  talk  10:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

End in Middle East on 2023

The Toyota FJ Cruiser will be the last model after 2023 model year. Bachelor 200 (talk) 07:14, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

As already mentioned in the last paragraph of the intro. Not sure about the other remaining countries.  Stepho  talk  07:28, 25 November 2022 (UTC)