Talk:Tyler (name)

Major Revert (04:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

I have just made a revert to this page covering several versions, back to Irishguy's version of June 11. I reverted the change of the page into a redirect , and while I was at it, removed two non-notable (red-linked) individuals.

The change to a redirect (by anonymous IP 65.122.45.112) was not discussed here, and no rationale has been given for why Tyler, Texas is any better for this article title than other cities of that name, a notable person (like U.S. President Tyler), or anything else named Tyler. The anon editor has edited several articles relating to Tyler, Texas, and that may be a factor.

Regardless of motivation, I think a dab page makes much more sense here. Please discuss future major changes of this nature before destroying large amounts of work for a redirect. --SuperNova |T|C| 04:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Persistent vandalism

Out of the last 50 edits, 24 (48%) have been vandalism, 44 (88%) if you also include the corresonding reverts. I tried and and failed to get the page protected - [1] -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 16:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC) Tyler also means golfer in French history. Tyler is a name for cool people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.154.196.189 (talk) 23:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anonomyous Project Tyler Wikileaks crossed with BitTorrent clone.

I'm going to add a section for organisations and projects named Tyler to put in a link to a page for the aforementioned Anon Wikileaks clone Tyler. Unless anyone has any reasons why I shouldn't ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultan42 (talk • contribs) 10:07, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 00:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Tyler → Tyler (name) – Place it like Washington, Madison, Jackson, Harrison. Details below. Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC) Pedro Gonzalez-Irusta (talk) 04:05, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Name	primary	dab	name	Note
Washington	dab	Washington	Washington (name)
Jefferson	dab	Jefferson	Jefferson (surname) (only listing), Jefferson (given name) (only listing)
Madison	dab	Madison	Madison (name)
Monroe	dab	Monroe	Monroe (surname)
Jackson	dab	Jackson	Jackson (name)
Harrison	dab	Harrison	Harrison (name) (about given and surname)
Tyler	name	Tyler (disambiguation)	Tyler
Lincoln	dab	Lincoln	Lincoln (surname)
Cleveland	city	Cleveland (disambiguation)	not found on the dab page
Roosevelt	dab	Roosevelt	Roosevelt (surname) (flower image with caption "The native European rose."), list is at List of people with surname Roosevelt
Wilson	dab	Wilson	Wilson (surname), List of people with surname Wilson, List of people with given name Wilson, Note: no given name article linked
Kennedy	dab	Kennedy	Kennedy (surname), Kennedy (given name)
Nixon	redirect to president Richard Nixon	Nixon (disambiguation)	Nixon (surname)
Ford	redirect to Ford Motor Company	Ford (disambiguation)	Ford (surname)
Carter	dab	Carter	Carter (name)
Bush	dab	Bush	Bush (surname)
Clinton	name (family name)	Clinton (disambiguation)	Clinton
Obama	redirect to president Barack Obama	Obama (disambiguation)	Obama (surname)	Look here and here to see that "Obama" in 2004 used to be about a place in Japan.

Oppose: In the case of all the other names shown in the table, it would be extremely difficult (if not impossible) to argue that the family name was the primary topic. The one exception, it would appear, is Clinton (and I must admit to being surprised that didn't redirect to Bill Clinton). That is not the case with Tyler. None of the other entries on the Tyler (disambiguation) page have a cat in hell's chance of being considered the primary topic, and most people inputting simply Tyler are likely to be searching for the family name. Skinsmoke (talk) 10:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Despite

Tyler, California
Tyler, California, former name of Cherokee, Nevada County, California
Tyler, Florida
Tyler, Minnesota
Tyler, Texas, the largest US city named Tyler
- University of Texas at Tyler
Tyler County, Texas
Tyler County, West Virginia
Tyler Park, Louisville, Kentucky, a neighborhood
Tyler State Park (Pennsylvania)
Tyler State Park (Texas)
Tyler, New Hampshire, a fictional town depicted in the novels Black Tide, Dead Sand, and others by Brendan DuBois

? If Clinton would redirect to Bill Clinton it would be a strong case of recentism. Pedro Gonzalez-Irusta (talk) 17:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replace "tyler" with Tyler (disambiguation), displacing this page to Tyler (name) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 23:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The list you have given of Tyler articles only emphasises the point that this is the primary topic. With the exception of a little-known city in Texas, they are all insignificant micro-communities or have a natural disambiguator as part of their name (such as Tyler County). Incidentally, to argue recentism in the case of Bill Clinton, 11 years after he ceased to be president, is pushing the definition of the term recentism to its limits and beyond. Skinsmoke (talk) 05:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A brief survey of existing incoming links indicates that enough people are thinking of Tyler, Texas to prevent the given name/surname from being the clear primary topic. bd2412 T 13:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Any figures on those incoming links? Skinsmoke (talk) 06:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Unisex?

Tyler is listed as a Unisex name on this page. Unisex would imply not that we can find two women named Tyler, but that there are a statistically significant number of women named Tyler. That's like taking the article on "North" and redirecting it to an disambiguity page because "it's also a name," simply because Kanye and Kim named their kid "North West." Comments?--Mrcolj (talk) 18:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Derivation of name

The only sources I can find that resemble the claim the tyler is Old English for door keeper of an inn are Þyle and Tyler_(Masonic). The latter repeats the claim here, but again, with no evidence given. I can't find tyler or tyle listed in the online Bosworth Toller Anglo-Saxon dictionary, only Þyle.--Swahilli (talk) 09:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 10:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler → Tyler (name)
Tyler (disambiguation) → Tyler

– The name cannot be considered the WP:PTOPIC for "Tyler". Going by page views from the previous 365 days, Tyler, Texas gets more than six times the page views of this article about the name. Thus the article about the name fails the "usage" criterion for PTOPIC; considering that the city in Texas was founded in 1846, long-term significance for the city is unlikely to be low either. In addition, you also have other competitors for primary topic status, such as Tyler Technologies whose page views are close to that of the name. feminist (talk) 12:22, 19 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 18:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support first, oppose second. The nom is correct about the name. However, we need to go a step further and make Tyler a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Tyler, Texas. The Texas article gets more pageviews than all the other "Tyler" articles combined. And as the nom points out, the Texas city has long-term significance as well. Dohn joe (talk) 16:24, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support as proposed incoming external links might end up onto the wrong place if we redirect to the city. Furthermore readers and editors are used to seeing US cities with the state included and therefore are more likely to find them that way. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support as proposed. I'd disagree with making Tyler a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Tyler, Texas, as I'd say there's NO primary topic for "Tyler" on its own. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:55, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support first, oppose second – upon further reading, it does not appear Tyler has a primary topic and certainly the Texas city isn't the primary topic. Tyler should be a dab page. cookie monster (2020) 755 16:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? That's what I proposed. feminist (talk) 16:52, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CookieMonster755: If you meant for the disambiguation page to be at the basename of "Tyler", that's what the nominator proposed. If that's what you meant, you might want to edit your response to reflect that you "Support as proposed". Saying that you "Support first, oppose second" means that you'd oppose the second move of moving the disambiguation page to the basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support only first with a primary redirect to the city in Texas due to pageviews, at least. The fact that the city will be at Tyler, Texas anyway doesn't at all preclude a primary redirect, as we've seen many many times throughout the years (see Talk:Charlotte (disambiguation) or Talk:Raleigh (disambiguation)). Red Slash 15:28, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is why I hate WP:USPLACENAMES. What a ridiculous outcome of a nonsensical guideline. The name of the county is Tyler not Tyler, Texas. Why are we bending over backwards to obey USPLACENAMES. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:27, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note that my support is for the disambiguation page at the base title. I don't consider the city to be dominant enough to be the WP:PTOPIC here. feminist (talk) 03:04, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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