Talk:Wish (film)

According to The Wrap, the budget for Disney's Wish is $200 million.

According to The Wrap, the budget for Disney's Wish is $200 million: The Flash and Elemental Flops Send Red Alerts for 2 of Hollywood's Biggest Box Office Brands (thewrap.com).

Any chance we can add this into the film's wiki page? 2600:4040:AB8E:6900:613D:DEDE:8254:88F6 (talk) 19:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't appear the sources states this? Mike Allen 19:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

It's because the article is behind a paywall. 2600:4040:AB8E:6900:613D:DEDE:8254:88F6 (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you quote it? Screenshot it? Mike Allen 19:55, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• I found a non-paywalled version published on Yahoo! which does indeed mention the film has a $200 million budget. Pamzeis (talk) 03:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Disney Animation Studios's new name

From Walt Disney Animation Studios renamed into Disney Animation Studios First Apearence of the Movie Wish 2023. 46.191.233.175 (talk) 05:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you have source for this??? LancedSoul (talk) 05:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Concur with LancedSoul. Unless you have a reliable source for such a significant name change, it stays out of the article. I don't see any news of a name change on the studio's social media feeds or in the trade press. --Coolcaesar (talk) 15:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Disney needs to anticipate Wish to November 2023 in Brazil.

In Brazil, Wish is scheduled to premiere on January 4, 2024, it will celebrate Disney101, Disney needs to anticipate and advance Wish to November 2023 in Brazil, to maintain and celebrate the centennial year of 2023. 2804:14D:CC81:4C2C:1145:D6F8:B0D:884D (talk) 15:50, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Please stop adding this into the article. Mike Allen 17:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah Mike Alien, in Brazilian fans we just want to see Wish in November 2023 in my country Brazil, Wish has to debut in November 2023 to keep celebrating Disney100 centenary year 2804:14D:CC81:4C2C:1145:D6F8:B0D:884D (talk) 18:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

A Wikipedia page is not a place to add information that's not true but what you want to see, it's to add factual sourced information. Harryhenry1 (talk) 07:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2023

Please change this line (paragraph 1) "The art style combines computer animation with Disney's classic watercolor animation." to "The art style combines computer animation with the look of Disney's classic watercolor animation."

As no source has said they are using actual watercolors in the film, just using watercolor techniques. (from this interview) https://ew.com/movies/wish-legacy-nods-disney-films/ Heylion1 (talk) 04:56, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done HouseBlaster^talk 12:58, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Music credit in infobox

I am well-aware that the infobox instructions say score composer only but this doesn't make sense in a musical where the major source of music is the songs not the score. I think WP:IAR applies in this case. See for example Mary Poppins (film), Frozen (2013 film) and Frozen II where songwriters are listed.

Looking at the talk page archives for the infobox it appears that there is some support for treating musicals differently from non-musical films in that the song composers in musicals have a major credit at least equal and sometimes higher to the score composer whereas in non-musicals the credit for songs is usually a minor credit. The current instructions are not taking into consideration the unique role songs play in a musical but reflect the minor role songs play normally in most films.

See also this relevant RfC at Template talk:Infobox film/Archive 31 § RfC: Is it relevant to list all composers for the film's music score and songs? Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Infobox instructions should be followed, as it doesn't make sense to include the songwriters in a few movies pages, but not in most of them. If the vast majority of film pages musicals do not include the songwriters, I believe that should be followed. Unless you go to the every single movie musical page (including those of Disney musicals) and include the songwriters. In this case, it would be OK to have the songwriters on Wish's page. But for the sake of unity, I would prefer to just include the composers. 187.74.175.53 (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

It makes sense as the songs are the main source of music in all real musical films, not the score as in most other types of films where the songs are just incidental if they exist at all. An WP:IAR justification is here and acknowledges the guideline and justifies going against it particularly in cases where it makes no sense to follow it. What other articles do is up to their editors and many other musical films (real musical films, not just films with incidental songs in them) do include the songwriters when justified. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Budget

Usually the budget of Disney movie are $150 millions. Why Wish have a budget non confirmed of $200 millions? 79.32.36.115 (talk) 08:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

It’s sourced. [1] Mike Allen 11:31, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Well the source is wrong. 79.32.36.115 (talk) 07:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we will until Deadline Hollywood reported an estimated budget in November. LancedSoul (talk) 07:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

That’s your opinion. It’s still backed by a reliable source. Mike Allen 09:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

According to Disney's press page, Wish's world premiere is taking place Wednesday, November 8th, not November 18th

According to Disney's press page, Wish's world premiere is taking place Wednesday, November 8th, not November 18th: https://x.com/almanaquedisney/status/1721645143185322169?s=20. MarvelDisney20 (talk) 14:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Spoilers

Why is plot written in when some of us writers and fans didn't see it as of yet? 71.105.142.132 (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Why would you read the PLOT section if you haven’t seen it? Mike Allen 15:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I wanted to read the summary or Synopsis of the movie until release day 11/22/23 71.105.142.132 (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

A summary or synopsis is no different than a plot description when it comes to spoilers – a synopsis that doesn't include the ending is not a valid synopsis. A plot info section just contains more details. You can read this info to find the reason why Wikipedia includes information that some people regard as "spoilers". --2A02:AA1:1645:EEC8:2433:866:A35D:4E90 (talk) 08:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

[[Category:Animated films set on islands]]

85.104.193.168 (talk) 13:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 14:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Typo

Should be "once a month" not "once in a month" in plot 136.159.213.235 (talk) 02:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Fixed! Seinfeld429 (talk) 02:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Accusations of “anti-Christian” messages

Apparently, some conservatives (including heavyweights such as Ben Shapiro) don’t like the movie because they think King Magnifico was intended to be a metaphor for God. See [2]. It’s not clear whether or not this has substantially hurt the film’s box-office performance, but it does remind me of the controversy surrounding Philip Pullman’s works. It should probably be mentioned in the reception section. 2600:1014:B07D:3336:7C8D:2102:9528:491A (talk) 04:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2023

I think the "Release" section needs some work to flow more smoothly.

1. Change the first sentence in Wish (film)#Release from this:
Wish had its world premiere at the El Capitan Theatre in Hollywood, Los Angeles, on November 8, 2023, just hours after the end of the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike was announced for 12:01 AM the next day, with Chris Buck, Fawn Veerasunthorn, Jennifer Lee and Disney CEO Bob Iger in attendance and Asha, Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse walking the blue carpet in the cast's place, while featuring a live drone show above the theater.

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to this (which doesn't imply that Buck, Mouse, et al appeared at the announcement of the end of the strike):
Wish had its world premiere at the El Capitan Theatre in Hollywood, Los Angeles, on November 8, 2023, with Chris Buck, Fawn Veerasunthorn, Jennifer Lee and Disney CEO Bob Iger in attendance and Asha, Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse walking the blue carpet in the cast's place, while featuring a live drone show above the theater. It took place just hours after the end of the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike was announced for 12:01 AM the next day.

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2. Remove the fourth sentence in the first paragraph of Wish (film)#Release, which reads:
On February 16, 2023, following the commercial failures of the company's Strange World and Pixar's Lightyear (both 2022), Disney reportedly considered extending the theatrical windows for both Wish and Pixar's Elemental in hopes of bringing families back to theaters.

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Reason: It does not really seem to be relevant in this article, now that the picture has been released in several countries. Besides, that "reportedly" looks like crystalballing.

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3. Move sentences 5 and 6 in the first paragraph of Wish (film)#Release to the start of the paragraph, or put them in a separate para at the start of the section. The sentences read:
On June 15, 2023, at the Annecy International Animation Film Festival, twenty minutes of footage from Wish were screened. Early access screenings of the film took place on November 18, 2023, coinciding with the 95th birthday of Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse, for which a special brand spot commemorating it was attached to these screenings.

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Reason: It's illogical to have this info after the info about the actual release dates. The phrasing "for which a special brand spot commemorating it was attached to these screenings" is a bit awkward, but since I don't know what "brand spot" means, I can't suggest a better phrasing.

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4. Remove the final sentence (a single-sentence paragraph) in Wish (film)#Release. It reads:
In July 2023, it was reported that Disney was considering postponing some of their 2023 releases, including Wish, due to the 2023 Hollywood labor disputes.

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Reason: This is speculation that is no longer relevant. If it's kept, it needs to be presented earlier, for the same reason as in point 3 above. 130.238.93.223 (talk) 10:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

AI controversy?

Wasn't Wish written by ChatGPT? HiGuys69420 (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

No. It was written by Jennifer Lee and Allison Moore. Seinfeld429 (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

that's weird because ppl online are accusing chatgpt of being in the movie HiGuys69420 (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

It's a criticism of the film's writing as formulaic, not that it was literally written by ChatGPT. Harryhenry1 (talk) 05:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Concur with Harryhenry1. It's a reference to how the film's writing is so bad that it makes one wonder if an AI wrote it. Those people are not literally suggesting that an AI wrote the movie. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Box Office Bomb

I'm sorry this has escalated to an edit war. I added reliable sources saying this film is a box office bomb. Somebody please find a work-around and come up with a decent revision. This film is box office bomb and it should be added to the page. UnboundBeartic (talk) 23:50, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

That is considered once the film is no longer in theaters and no longer grosses. Currently, the film is still showing in theaters around the world and grossing, in addition to there being several countries in which it has not yet been released, and will begin to gross more once it is released in those territories (precisely today it will be launched in Taiwan, while in South Korea it will be on January 3, and in several South American countries on January 4). Let's wait a few months, once it is no longer showing in theaters, to consider it in that way or not.BrookTheHumming (talk) 11:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Would support putting it down as bomb. There's no point waiting the months it would take to for the film to be showing in 0 cinemas just so it can make a few million more.

The most notable thing about this film is that it failed to make a profit, it would be very strange if this wasn't mentioned anywhere in it's Wikipedia page 2A02:C7C:7056:F300:B17B:B236:158F:4521 (talk) 20:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Multiple high quality reliable secondary sources are required, per MOS:ACCLAIMED. Mike Allen 20:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

It also still has to go through its entire worldwide theatrical run first to get the most accurate picture, even if the descriptor seems clear to you. Harryhenry1 (talk) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Also concur with Harryhenry1 on this one. A film which initially appears to bomb at its original opening can pick up viewers through word of mouth down the road, or when it opens later in different countries, then becomes a sleeper hit. Or it might find an audience through home video or streaming and become a cult film. So it's very important to wait a few months to wait for the termination of a film's original theatrical run before calling it a "box office bomb" on WP. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Coolcaesar late response, but this was definitely wrong from the beginning. By Jan 1st, there was not any reasonable debate about whether the film was a box office bomb. The only thing up for debate by January 1st would have been if it should have been put on the list of the biggest box in office bombs of all time.

At this point, it's past due to call it a bomb, but probably shouldn't be on the list of the biggest bombs of all time. 172.59.168.174 (talk) 08:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Again, its way too soon for that, per WP:NORUSH. So therefore, at least wait until the movie is no longer playing. LancedSoul (talk) 08:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Just to add, Screen Daily says: "Wish is proving a sleeper success for Disney, dropping just 3% on its ninth session in cinemas. The animation added £362,026 to reach a £12.2m cume." Mike Allen 15:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Damn with weekend figures like that it only needs to hold on for another 521 weeks and it might break even. 2A02:C7C:7056:F300:549A:75CF:CC7A:A0C9 (talk) 20:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe. Mike Allen 20:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that I agree that we shouldn't wait til the movie leaves theaters to state it's box-office performance. Wish hasn't performed well in its run, let alone well enough to recoup it's $175-200 million budget. I recently labeled Wish as a box-office bomb, but it got reverted for no reliable sources and "original research", which the latter was untrue. So yeah, Wish hasn't performed well and it needs to be stated in this article. It's a certified box-office bomb. ZX2006XZ (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Box-office performance is covered in the article. Factual information is given. Readers are able to make their own conclusions from the facts given - we don't need to make WP:OR summaries for them. Labeling something with the term of art "box-office bomb", that has a specific meaning, needs references from reliable sources. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

It's original research because there was no source attached. We don't just declare something a bomb because we think it is, you need something to back it up. Harryhenry1 (talk) 02:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok. This is a reply to my take on how Wish's financial performance should be stated in the lead of the article. The movie flopped. It hasn't made back its $175-200 million budget, especially in North America. We have to be honest about this. Wish has performed awful financial, and there's no sugarcoating it. It has to be stated instead of the plain "has grossed (insert box-office number here) at the box office." ZX2006XZ (talk) 23:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Article gives the budget and gives the gross which is higher. Some reliable source somewhere should be doing the analysis as to what that means, Wikipedia editors shouldn't be making that evaluation and are no more qualified to do so than any reader of the article would be given the factual data. Disney lately seems to have a different criteria than financial as to whether or not they consider any film a success. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, I'm not opposed to describing the film as underperforming, or even an outright flop/bomb. We just need sources backing that up. Harryhenry1 (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I for one am not sure why we are being so cagey about calling a spade a spade. Wish has underperformed dramatically, and numerous outlets have characterised the film as a "disaster" financially, with its opening being "one of Disney's worst." The note here about "the gross, which is higher than the budget" not only demonstrates a lack of understanding about how box office takings work (marketing and theatre cuts apply) but also, I would posit, a bit of an agenda going on to try and paint the performance as being not 'that bad'. Transparency is paramount and the longer we beat around the bush the more unbiased it appears. 82.132.187.185 (talk) 12:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Find a reliable source that spells it out. Wiki editors making the call is prohibited original research. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

If someone claimed Oppenheimer (film) was a hit without a source to back it up, we'd be having this same discussion. This has nothing to do with any kind of agenda-pushing. Harryhenry1 (talk) 01:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

This was already implied above, but it should be noted that it is not just the box-office performance alone that Disney uses to determine if a film is profitable for them. There are others factors, such as streaming and merchandise sales. I agree that the film should not be labeled a "bomb" without reliable sources to back it up.Contributor19 (talk) 20:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 24 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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Wish (film) → Wish (2023 film) – Dab from Hope (2013 film) which was also known as "Wish". Per WP:PRIMARYFILM the film project prefers to avoid partial disambiguation. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Can it be considered the primary film if it's not even the primary title?

Mike Allen 23:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

No. See the link above. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as WP:OVERPRECISION. These are two completely different titles. Even if the other film were primarily known as Wish (it isn't), this one would be the overwhelming WP:primary topic with well over 20 times the pageviews of the film called Hope. And this certainly can be considered the primary topic for "Wish (film)" even if it isn't primary for "Wish", under WP:INCDAB. The hatnote already on this article takes care of any supposed confusion, but even that isn't really necessary. Station1 (talk) 06:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Station1. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 15:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. For the reasons given above. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per others since Wish is an alternative title to Hope, and one that appears little used, based on my search engine testing. A reader searching for "Wish" will find their way to wish (disambiguation) and go to the article they are looking for. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support: The article about the other film has seven cited sources that refer to it in their headlines as Wish, which is more than the six that refer to it as Hope (not counting the one that refers to it as "Wish (Hope)". That includes some that were talking about the film after its release and some that were talking about it winning awards. Even if it was a minority, this seems sufficient to show that the film has often been referred to as Wish. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. The South Korean title translates literally to Wish, but I think that's as far as it goes. It seems like it was released in English as either So-won or Hope. That's not enough for me to think we need to bother with extra disambiguation here, given the low chance of confusion in the first place. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Question – Has it actually been released as Wish anywhere? There is a fundamental difference between the translation of the native title into English and an actual English-language release title. If someone is able to demonstrate the latter then disambiguating by year would seem to be consistent with PRIMARYFILM. Betty Logan (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.