User talk:Caeciliusinhorto/Archive 3

Deletion of paragraph at Gaius Sallustius Passienus Crispus

You deleted a paragraph from the body, saying "none of this paragraph is about Passienus". However, it was describing what happened to Passienus' wife and stepson in the sequence of events that included Agrippina's betrayal of Passienus and his death, and which ended with his wife becoming Roman empress and his stepson murdering both her and Passienus' first wife... this seems reasonably related to Passienus. It describes how he fits into one of the most scandalous careers in Roman history. And it is not excessively long or detailed, as it all fits in one paragraph. I think that it should be restored to the article, and therefore urge you to reconsider its deletion. P Aculeius (talk) 11:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@P Aculeius: I don't feel strongly about it, so feel free to restore if you think it valuable, but I don't think it really says anything about how Passienus "fits into one of the most scandalous careers in Roman history" - he was dead by the time that any of this happened! If people want to know more about Agrippina the Younger, we have a whole article on her that they can read. At any rate, if it is restored I am not convinced that framing these events as all being brought about by Agrippina's villainy is a neutral reflection of modern scholarship: Messalina's downfall was brought about by her own colossal stupidity in marrying her lover when her husband, the emperor, was out of Rome; there was no other way that particular decision could possibly have ended! (And I would still be inclined to trim the section to only the events directly connected to Passienus' two former wives, Agrippina and Domitia; Messalina's attempts to have Nero murdered and his own subsequent murder of Britannicus strike me as even more tenuously related than the rest.) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll take that into account before restoring the paragraph. I probably meant to write "sequence of events" rather than "careers" above, but wavered over whether I was describing Agrippina or the events... however, if I recall my source materials correctly, they suggested the connection between the events, and I do see a great deal of relevance—a brief discussion here seems appropriate, although I take your point about Messalina—though I also seem to recall that the secondary sources appeared to connect her actions with Agrippina's machinations. I may want to review them and see whether I misinterpreted them, or if they still make sense—I've read over the original account a few times in the past, but should do so again. P Aculeius (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

The Core Contest winners announced

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AlisonW case request accepted

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Lucius Calpurnius Piso (praetor)

Hello, Caeciliusinhorto,

I just wanted to remind you that whenever you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/TFD/etc.), it is considered best practice to post a notification on the talk page for the page creator. This is done most easily when you use Twinkle, and editing tool, to tag pages for deletion or for any problems they contain that need to be fixed. Twinkle is a very useful tool for all editors to try out and it can do everything from post Welcome messages to set up an AFD discussion or report a vandal to a noticeboard. Basically, it remembers all of those templates so that you do not have to memorize them or spend time trying to find the right one. Best of all, once you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator", then Twinkle will post those talk page notices on your behalf. It's very convenient to use so I encourage you to try it out. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Liz – I do in fact have Twinkle installed, but I nominate things for deletion so rarely I always forget to use it! Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

A Helping Hand

Caeciliusinhorto, I would like to thank you very much for reviewing my article. You have spent a great deal of time working with me and I appreciate this. Not only were you patient, but I appreciated the fact you really put me through my paces and left nothing without scrutiny. While sometimes a quick review is nice, thorough reviews are invaluable. I feel I learned a lot about polishing the chrome by really eliminating any unnecessary information from an article, to keep it tight, succinct, clear, and unquestionably verifiable from the sources. I learned lessons. Thank you. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted for the AlisonW case

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

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• For failure to meet the conduct standards expected of an administrator, AlisonW's administrative user rights are removed. She may regain them at any time via a successful request for adminship.

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Precious anniversary

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Peer Review

If you have a moment, would you be willing to cast an eye on the peer review for Temple of Apollo Palatinus? I think it would really benefit from some classicist input: in particular, there's a lot of background as to Augustus' building programme and relationship with Apollo, and I'm keen to make sure I've struck the right balance between keeping the focus on the subject and giving enough explanation of the background. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 07:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@UndercoverClassicist: of course – I will try to cast an eye over it this weekend. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Sappho

Hi Caeciliusinhorto, I hope you're well. You may recall that I contributed a music section to the article on Sappho late last year. I wondered if you had any plans to bring the article to FA? – Aza24 (talk) 06:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aza24 – good to hear from you! I would certainly like to get Sappho up to FA, but I must admit I've always been intimidated by criterion 1c, which requires a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature. Camillo Neri's bibliography for his 2022 critical edition of Sappho runs to 70 pages in fairly small print; there's a lot of relevant literature to survey!

I know the article's in pretty good shape though – maybe the approach is to put it through PR and ask a bunch of the FA regulars to be super critical of it and see what they think? And I know you're a music/arts/literature kind of person – if you are interested in getting Sappho up to FA I'd be delighted to collaborate with someone. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't be too worried about 1c. Many articles on figures with even broader literature have gotten through FA certainly without every major source (Jesus, Augustus, Cleopatra, the Middle Ages etc.). I think its purpose is too encourage full coverage of every important aspect—i.e. emphasis on the "representative" more than the "thorough". Using the more recent important publications is also key here—I've done quite a few source reviews at FAC, and this often the important checkbox for such big topics.

I'd be happy to collaborate, but would have to insist you take the lead. Your approach with asking others to comment on a PR sounds fine to me. Aza24 (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I've expanded the discussion of Sappho's poetics slightly and opened a peer review; we shall see what people think. If I get difficult questions about music history I may have to bother you for assistance! Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:07, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll endeavor to follow along with the process closely! WP's coverage of Ancient Greek music is generally messy and lacking (esp. compared to poetry, history and philosophy coverage), so getting this article to FA would be a huge step there as well.

I would recommend reaching out to specific editors who may be knowledgable on the subject. PR is rather random on if people will stumble across the article and leave comments. UndercoverClassicist, P Aculeius and Cplakidas may all be people to reach out to (was going to recommend you reach out on WiG, but see you already did!) It may be worth posting on Katolophyromai's talk page. Though he's not active anymore, I'd say there's a good chance he'll see it and offer some advice.

If you're worried about citation thoroughness, I wonder how much you've looked at Yatromanolakis's bibliography? You should have access to it through the WP library. It might be an easier way to get a sense of where the article stands, source coverage-wise, than Neri's mammoth survey :) Aza24 (talk) 21:52, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How are you feeling about Sappho at the moment Caeciliusinhorto? Aza24 (talk) 01:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Casio watch - Zapatists

I understand your point of removing the phrase about the zapatist's use of the watch, but other sources that talk about this watch also mention the zapatists, like this one by Vice [https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkebp8/casio-f91w-watch-terrorists-ied-trigger-cost-price Why Terrorists Love Casio's Iconic F-91W Watch]. Maybe the lead could contain a passing mention to it, without referring to Marcos in particular. JoaquimCebuano (talk) 18:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The lead is meant to be a summary of the rest of the article. Maybe the Zapatista connection could be mentioned in the body, but any mention in the lead looks like it would be wildly undue to me. The vice article you mention has a single throwaway line discussing Zapatistas, along with various other groups associated with the watch - but the article isn't mentioning the fact that DJs and creatives wear it! And I'm really not convinced that the Zapatista connection is important enough to even mention in the body unless there's more compelling sources. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 18:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I think the fact it is mentioned along with al-Qaeda, in this article and others, would make it as much relevant as what is already mentioned in the lead. JoaquimCebuano (talk) 03:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

If you think that it is in fact worthy of inclusion, you should make that case on Talk:Casio F-91W Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 10:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green GA Editathon October 2023 - Around the World in 31 Days

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Silver certificate (United States)

At the time I left the "Clarify" tag, the word was "Current"! Another editor addressed the issue but left the tag. PamD 16:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

German influence on the Soviet space program

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BLPN

Regarding the death notice you replied to, it rang an alarm bell with me so I've redacted the section and emailed Trust and Safety. However, you didn't go anything wrong! Fences&Windows 11:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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Undefined sfn reference in Agnodice

Hi, in this edit to Agnodice you introduced {{sfn|Parker|2016|p=252}} however no such work is listed. This means that nobody can look up the reference, and adds the article to Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. If you could supply the missing sorce that would be great. DuncanHill (talk) 18:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks DuncanHill – I was adding it but got pulled away from my computer. Fixed now. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 18:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 18:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Venus de Milo

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Merry Christmas!

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Thanks SchroCat: a merry Christmas to you too! Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 11:47, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for a GA review

Hi, I came across your page while looking at the Aineta aryballos GA review. I must say, I am amazed at the level of edits you have made. Personally I've been very interested in Greek & Roman topics, archaeology in particular, but never had access to the required resources (can't access TWL too). Now when I've introduced myself, could I please request you to consider doing a GA review for the article on Rajiv Malhotra which I nominated? I believe it is GA worthy, perhaps even FA worthy, with a great level of detail. It was rated C a long time ago, hasn't been reassessed and many good edits have been made since then. If you don't have the time, that is understandable too. I also asked the user UndercoverClassicist but received no response. Thanks in advance. Matarisvan (talk) 17:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Matarisvan – I'm afraid Rajiv Malhotra is completely outside my area of expertise and interest. Good luck! Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, that's no problem. Thanks for replying. Do you know anyone who would be interested in doing the GA review? If not, I still appreciate that you took time out to respond Matarisvan (talk) 19:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Afraid not – it looks like Wikipedia talk: WikiProject India is reasonably active so you might try posting there Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think they would like to review this particular article. I would have to try with a Philosophy or religion editor. Thanks for the help anyway. Matarisvan (talk) 07:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

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Thanks, P Aculeius, and the same to you! Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:25, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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@AirshipJungleman29: Thanks – I did see that script when reading the instructions, but I misread the notification caveat as saying that you have to do all the notifications manually, at which point I didn't think there was any point using the script at all; I see that it would have saved me a couple of manual notifications, so maybe it is worth using after all... Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

It also helps in avoiding errors—there was a little one I fixed on the article talk page. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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