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My entry is regarded as spam. Like I have something to gain from it. It was something I wanted to know more about, so I turned it into a stub. People were supposed to change it to give more information, not delete it for not offering enough.

I will not troll the man, nor shall i delete any of his pages. Still, I don't like him.

Dubai Developments template

Thank you for informing me of this template. I should start by commenting on Developments in Dubai. You are right; it is a mess. Actually, I hate that article. I see no purpose for it. Most of the sections just contain a link to the main article, and sometimes the "summary" is just a copy of the lead of the related article. Sometimes, I see it as a big advertisement for Dubai since it just a long list of the projects and does not establish why some projects are listed and others are not.

Anyway...as for the template I do not think there is any need for it. I do not want to put you down in any way; I think it is a great idea. But, some of the template's sections (such as skyscrapers and malls) already have their own templates ({{Dubai skyscrapers}}, {{Future Dubai skyscrapers}}, {{Dubai malls}}). Instead of having them listed on multiple templates, it would be easier to separate them into their own respective templates (especially the skyscrapers considering how many there are). Also, having a different template might be easier to maintain. I should add that most of the information in the template you created can be found in {{Dubai topics}}, which needs a clean-up also.

Now, onto "developments." I personally feel that the word "development" implies a recently completed, ongoing, or future construction project. There is no need to write "Future developments." If I said "the developments in London are just amazing," would I be referring to Tower Bridge and Buckingham Palace? No. A development in London would include recent projects (30 St Mary Axe, Terminal 5, Millennium Dome, London Eye), projects under development/construction (Broadgate Tower, London Gateway), or future projects (Shard London Bridge, Beetham Tower or Bishopsgate Tower). Same for Dubai. Developments in Dubai would not refer to completed buildings or projects.

Sorry if my definition of "development" was confusing. I could rephrase and explain more or what a development is, if you want.

And thank you for your words of encouragement. I feel that moving to Dubai would not only be a great experience for me, but also a way to create more dialogue between the Arab and Muslim worlds and the West. But this might be hard to do in Dubai where there are so many foreigners and people of all different nationalities that I might not be able to accomplish this "dialogue." You mentioned that if I am able to survive through my first pay check, then I should be okay. I am not sure if this is true in Dubai. I am not sure how much Singapore is growing, but the cost of living in Dubai goes up practically every month. People are finding it harder and harder to live in a city that changes with each blink of an eye. Getting through the first pay check does not mean much, since rents and food costs change very often.

Thank you again for the template and the support. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 04:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Related to the linking, I think it is actually better to link to the related topic and not the specific topic. Let me explain: the shopping mall section would link to shopping mall while the skyscraper section would link to skyscraper. This allows people to have a direct link to an article on the general topic. I am referring to both {{Developments in Dubai}} and {{Dubai topics}}. If people want to go directly to an article about that topic in relation to Dubai, it should be listed there, but not as the section title. Actually, a topics&diff=197571011&oldid=197054753 recent edit at {{Dubai topics}} was a good move. User:AreJay decided to move the articles about Dubai to the end, hidden as "(more...)." The only thing I now notice as bad was changing "History" to "History of Dubai" since it is already in the section. Other than that, it was a wise decision. I was wondering if you would agree to change it back on {{Dubai topics}} and to change the links on {{Developments in Dubai}}. But, if you want to keep it in the way it currently is, I would not mind hearing your opinion.

I am not sure what the original reason for creating Developments in Dubai was. The creator, User:Mattytay, does not seem to be active on Wikipedia anymore (the last contribution by this editor was in October 2007). I was going to ask for the purpose, but I doubt I will get a response.

For a development to be included in a list of developments, I guess it would depend on the city. I think something is considered new only in comparison to other developments in the city. I do not know if Londoners consider the London Eye as a new structure or not, but for Dubai, the Burj Al Arab is not considered new (even though it is just over eight-years old). Some buildings built in the city in 2005 (for me a least) are not new. As for the Palm Jumeirah, I would say it is not yet completed. There are so many buildings that have yet to open, or even start construction.

Merging the skyscraper templates would be a bad idea. First of all, they are so long that a separation is needed. {{Dubai malls}} inludes both completed and under construction malls due to how few there are (there are other malls, but they are not inlcuded because they do not have an article). Actually, at first all the malls were listed on one line. Two of the malls were removed on the basis that they are not yet open. I then readded them in a new section titled "Future shopping malls" so that they can be included. But, again, there are too many skyscrapers that one template would be a bad move. Actually, the "topped out" section is usually on the future skyscrapers template. One editor said that since it was so long, it would be better to put in on the completed skyscrapers template.

And I do not think that some topics need their own templates. That is what the "See also" sections are for. Only when there are so many articles that relate to each other is when a template should be created. For Dubai's transportation, a link to Transportation in Dubai is really the only thing that is needed, in my opinion. Maybe a link could be added to Dubai Metro or Dubai World Central International Airport, but only for an article that has direct relations to that subject.

I was just curious, but what did you mean by "personal development milestones?" Thank you. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 05:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I would rather stay out of the "Cities of ..." issue. It is not something I edit or something that I would want to work on. But, I am sure there are some editors who have worked on several lists of cities. You may want to look into Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities.

You seem to be fairly interested in Dubai. I would like to invite you:

I hope you do not mind, but I will be making several changes to {{Developments in Dubai}}. I will be sure to explain my edits. But, if you have any issues with them, just start a discussion on the talk page. Thanks. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 19:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!

Welcome, and thank you for joining. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 06:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for my late reply. I was really busy but am now back. Actually, there are no public galleries of Dubai developments. Sometimes there are displays in some of the malls (used as advertising by the developers), but they are not permanent. Other opportunities to look at models are to go to the sales centre of the project or to attend an exhibition. Cityscape is the most important exhibition. Each year this exhibit displays all the developments in Dubai and others around the Middle East. It is also a great opportunity to announce new projects.

WikiProjects are just meant as a way to collaborate on certain topics. You do not have to be a member of a project in order to work on articles related to that topic. It is just useful to have a place for a group of editors to collaborate on issues that relate to many different articles.

The Palm Islands article is about all three because they are pretty much a part of the same project. The Palm Jumeirah, Jebel Ali and Deira are just the three parts of it. I am sure articles will be created for the Palm Jebel Ali and the Palm Deira once more information becomes available and construction begins. The Palm Jumeirah already has an article because people are already living on the island and most of the buildings are under construction. The Palm Jebel does not have any construction on it yet. Once more developers announce hotels and different projects on the island will an article probably become necessary. As for the Palm Deira, the island is not yet complete. But actually, I think they will be developing this island in a different way than the others. But, there is close to no information about the Palm Deira anyway. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 01:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

List of museums in South Korea

I'm glad you're interested in editing the article. I worried that none seemed to care the list after it was created. Yes, I know the list is not well organized and arbitrary because I rather focused to create the base articles on Korean wikipedia. There has organized lists by city, province, institution. ko:분류:대한민국의 박물관

I don't know whether you can read Korean or you're Korean, but your contribution is really helping Korean project! I'm also delighted to hear about related pictures, so we can expand the articles at best. I think your editing the location info of the museums goes toward the right way. Actually, telephone and fax info should be removed in order to make it suit the Wiki standard. Anyway, if you have any question, feel free to talk to me. Thanks!. --Appletrees (talk) 12:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for creating the maps for the articles. As for the map positioning, you should look at the Template:Infobox Korean settlement which has quite complex tags but you can simply put your map into the "map" field in the template. --Appletrees (talk) 06:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

When you insert a map into the map field, you have to remove all unnecessary description. For example, you would've put the following image [[Image:Daechi dong gangnamgu.PNG|thumb|right|200px|Location in [[Gangnam-gu]]]], the only needed info is the image name. Daechi dong gangnamgu.PNG. [[Image:]] is unnecessary for the template.--Appletrees (talk) 06:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

According to the article at korean wiki and this site, the stream starts from Gwacheon, Gyeonggi-do and run through Gangnam-gu and Seocheo-gu, and eventually flows to Tancheon.

--Appletrees (talk) 06:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It flows through Daechi 3-dong, Irwon 2-dong in Gangman-gu, Yangjaedong in Seocho-gu and Jamsil-dong in Songpa-gu.--Appletrees (talk) 07:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It flow through Dogok-dong as well along with other dongs which I can't find right now because I've gotta go. So see you later.--Appletrees (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Subdivisions of Seoul

I'm not sure of the your last inquiry, because I think description about each dong is more needed at this point. Well, I did not realize that articles regarding the subdivisions of South Korea are seriously lacking on Wikipedia. If we want to create building and structure related articles, geographical information is required first, but there is almost none of dongs in Jongro-gu, Gangnam areas where representative old and new architecture are centered. I made stubs of Songpa-gu today and start creating articles of Seocho-gu. Then, I'll move to Jongro-gu, and Jung-gu. Hmmm.. implementing article of South Korean museums seems to be laid aside for this task. --Appletrees (talk) 02:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

for the award. I think you deserve it much more than me. Anyway, "dong"s of Seoul are too many to be stubbing...Jongno-gu has over 80 dongs to be created even though Haengjeong-dong is 12~ 15. The beopjeong-dongs in Jongno-gu are strongly associated with history of Seoul and visitor's attraction, so I might make stubs on dongs of Jongno-gu for the last. --Appletrees (talk) 03:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

EXCUSE ME

There was a little bit of misunderstanding. Curious to know and want to learn. So I wrote little.

Have a nice day!

--Stylescene (talk) 04:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Stylescene

Maps

Honestly, I'm dull at finding differences from the maps you present. We need more opinion by others. --Appletrees (talk) 11:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Point of interest

I made two incomplete lists on parks in South Korea (I was bored of making "dong" stubs, so need a "green" thing) which may be helpful for you to include some attraction info to Gu of Seoul. However, like the list of museums in Seoul, almost of all are red links. List of parks in Seoul. --Appletrees (talk) 04:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The parks are representative ones listed on the official website of Seoul City Council, so the list is long way to go.Of course parks in Seoul are divided to several categories like you said about parks in the United States, and I will add "type" section to the list box of List of parks in Seoul. As for Seolleung, well I think it is managed by Gangnam-gu, Cultural Heritage Administration--Appletrees (talk) 09:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Seoul parks

I went ahead and fixed the template for you. To be honest you didn't really do much wrong; basically you need to have your list all on the same line, and the group headings aren't necessary unless you want to seperate the list into multiple groups. PC78 (talk) 15:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: st. louis neighborhood article talk pages

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RE:Bukit Brown MRT Station

No I would have serious doubts that it is offficial in anyway. In fact, many people will assume we are referring to a Shell petrol station!--Huaiwei (talk) 09:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

It was referred by the media if I'm not wrong. Anyway shell station in the current context meant a "shell" being built, no electrical fittings etc. Unlike Woodleigh station on the NEL, that is not a shell station as it has been fully-fitted. This is as far as I know. :)

The media cannot be considered a valid source for coining what will be an industrial term. Do the engineers and planners use that term as a proper noun? No. There is also no distinction between whether this shell is fitted or not. Both Woodleigh and Buangkok were referred to as shell stations long before they were built and long after they were completed, regardless of the statement of completion.--Huaiwei (talk) 16:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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OK with your reference added I have removed the deletion request. --Triwbe (talk) 06:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Just one little problem, the link you suppiled does not work for me :-( --Triwbe (talk) 06:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

One Shenton Way

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Transportation in St. Louis

I'll see what I can do to help; I'm currently based in Springfield and only slightly familiar with the St. Louis area, so I'm not sure how much I can do. You might find it useful to coordinate with WP:USRD, a WikiProject I'm a member of, as they have some well-tested standards that are in place on their articles, which you might find useful. There's also a subproject for Missouri state routes at WP:MOSH, but it's sort of fallen into semi-inactivity due to lack of contributors. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 03:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

A barnstar

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Manual category renames

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metro area categories

See my response here. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Also...thanks for the barnstar, you knew just the one I wanted... -Grey Wanderer | Talk 06:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

just the one you deserved. DaronDierkes (talk) 06:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Affton School District

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Regarding the Speedy Deletion

Sorry about that, it was far down in my browser. I have removed the speedy deletion tag. Connorflanagan (talk) 10:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Project tag removal

I removed your tag here because it's a re-direct to the district, which already has the project tag. There is no article on the elem school any longer _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC) The same applies here _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)