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Your submission at Articles for creation: Principality of camside (December 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.

This submission appears to be taken from https://web.archive.org/web/20070704002711/http://www.principalityofcamside.cc/Annexing/annexing.htm. Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly and verifiably has been released to the world under a suitably free and compatible copyright license or into the public domain and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to. You should attribute the content of a draft to outside sources, using citations, but copying and pasting or closely paraphrasing sources is not acceptable. The entire draft should be written using your own words and structure.

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— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Principality of camside

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Principality of camside requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://web.archive.org/web/20070704002711/http://www.principalityofcamside.cc/Annexing/annexing.htm. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Soapboxing

Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.Deb (talk) 08:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Deb, the Principality of camside is not a hoax, it was a micro nation in australia that to me was really inspirational in what they accomplished. You can learn more about the nation by looking at an archive of there website: https://web.archive.org/web/20070208034851/http://www.principalityofcamside.cc/

I'm also not related with the nation in any way shape or form, other than being Australian.

I hope you can reconsider

Kind regards, Driver4567 (talk) 23:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I did not delete it as a hoax. The reasons I gave for deletion were:

Soapboxing
Copyright

You need to address those issues. Deb (talk) 15:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Deb, thanks for replying, that makes sense, I had copied copy off the Principalities Archived website with the plan to get a page up and then updated it from there. With that your reason was perfectly fine. I tried to put up another version of the page after that, using some words of my own, but DoubleGrazing deleted it as a hoax, and then my account got blocked indefinitely following that by Bbb23 with the reason 'not here to build an encyclopaedia'. I tried to appeal that, but that failed. So my first (and now only) attempt at contributing has very much ended. I had no idea wikipedia acted as such a gatekeeper of knowledge. I'm a little bummed for sure. Is there anything I can do for a second chance? I did hope to still share a bit of info on the Micro-nation... Driver4567 (talk) 02:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. You've not made your latest appeal properly, so it won't be considered. Please read and try to follow the advice given further down the page, rather than writing out a long set of extenuating circumstances which no one will see unless you use the correct template. Deb (talk) 09:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Principality of camside (December 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

It appears that your submission is either an attempt to be humorous rather than factual, or is an obvious hoax. As Wikipedia strives to contain only factual entries, we can not accept your submission at this time.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DoubleGrazing, the Principality of camside is not a hoax, it was a micro nation in australia that to me was really inspirational in what they accomplished. You can learn more about the nation by looking at an archive of there website: https://web.archive.org/web/20070208034851/http://www.principalityofcamside.cc/

I hope you can reconsider

Kind regards, Driver4567 (talk) 23:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Principality of camside

Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, introducing hoaxes, such as Draft:Principality of camside, is considered to be vandalism and is prohibited. If you are interested in how accurate Wikipedia is, a more constructive test method would be to try to find inaccurate statements that are already in Wikipedia—and then to correct them if possible. If you would like to make test edits, please use the sandbox. Under section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, the page has been nominated for deletion. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 2023

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bbb23 (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Bbb23,

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Driver4567 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was blocked while trying to create my first page on wikipedia, I was trying to document a micro nation that existed and was a really important part of history. I also uploaded an image that was a crest, they only option was for it to be listed as my work, this perhaps upset, I then tried to delete but couldn't so changed the author to be correct. I'm not sure which trigged me to be blocked. But I'd like to continue to be part of the community if possible. Driver4567 (talk) 23:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I see no evidence that this micronation is in any way notable and you most certainly did not demonstrate this. Yamla (talk) 00:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Yamla,

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Hi Yamla, my apologies for not providing further evidence than the line links in the original page. Please see the following references in regards to the topic of micro nation (the Principality of camside).
Sydney Morning Herald (news paper):
https://www.smh.com.au/business/governor-at-war-with-apra-20051224-gdmokq.html

University of Melbourne:
https://umsu.unimelb.edu.au/news/article/7797/2013-10-31-d-i-y-nation/

Queensland Parliment:
https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/speeches/spk1999/Bill%20Feldman%20spk%20Caboolture%2019991026-1.PDF

National Library of Medicine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10201032/

The Age (newspaper):
https://www.theage.com.au/national/governor-swaps-principality-for-jail-20071202-ge6fny.html

The Guardian (news paper):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/20/australia.davidfickling

ASIC:
https://asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2007-releases/07-159-asic-bans-self-proclaimed-governor-of-camside-linked-to-unlawful-bank/
I hope you can reconsider. Kind regards.

Kind regards, Driver4567 (talk) 23:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

These sources might be enough to establish an article about Mr. Siminton and the sanctions against him by the Australian government, or possibly an article about micronations in Australia, but not Mr. Siminton's in particular. Since that seems to be your main purpose here, Yamla was correct, and the reason for the block is correct. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@331dot and Talk:, I included a link to the micronations defunct website on the wiki page I created. And a link to a video that relates, in which issues that exist with in Australia's formation are pointed out, albeit just on paper. With in the video it's pointed out that Australia wasn't formed properly (legally on paper you could say in terms of it's separation from the UK and the establishment of the Constitution), and this group of people created the micro nation in order to challenge the government and sort of try and point out the issues and help formalise Australia. It's an old topic now and doesn't really mean too much, but I think the formation of the micronation was an important part of history for Australia and Australia's history of Micronations. They point out that there is an issue with Australia's constitution and it relates to why Australia is the only country in the UN that has no Bill of Rights for the people. They created the micro nation on paper in order to try and correct that, which I think was actually pretty noble.
That being said, I can appreciate that such history is not for everyone. And I can also appreciate that the effort made by these individuals didn't gain much ground. So ok, yes if the admins would not like to include that, I can live with that. But then why block me forever for just trying to document that. It was not a Hoax or Promotional and has nothing to do with me. For me when I was much younger to realise that people had formed a micronation in Australia was a really interesting idea. I wondered how countries were formed and under what right. It helped me understand the formation of countries in general much better. I think if you watched the video you'd appreciate the process this group of people went through much more.
I had found the Category list of Category:Micronations in Australia, and wanted to just add the Principality to the list, but realised I needed to create a page for the nation in order to do so.
You did also state that perhaps with the previously provided links I could document an article about micronations in Australia, except I can not, because I've been blocked for posting this unpopular article.
I'd still appreciate if the Wikipedians here could reconsider the blocking of my account. This was my first time creating a page, and I didn't expect to get blocked indefinitely from it. I'll leave it with you. Thanks.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040531130643/http://principalityofcamside.cc/Main.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVBkYpRe3A

Unblock Request

User:Yamla, User:Bbb23 - Please see the discussion at Deletion Review. Micronations are often notable as hoaxes. It is often difficult to decide whether a particular article about a supposed micronation is describing it as reality or as a hoax. I have not seen the deleted articles, and will defer to the deleting administrators that they did not satisfy notability, and may have appeared to be written from the point of view of the micronation. However, I am asking that you assume good faith on the part of the submitter, that they were trying to write about a notable hoax, rather than to perpetuate a hoax in Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this case it wasn't difficult to decide in the least. —Cryptic 12:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just responding to this thread, I don't believe the micro-nation was a hoax. I was just trying to document it, I understand there was also a digital currency (made pre-crypto) in association with the micro-nation after it's formation, and I believe this is why this page was thought of as a hoax, but I wasn't documenting the currency. I was interested in the micro-nation.

This youtube talks about principalities in Australia, also in regards to the one in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVBkYpRe3A&t=1480s

I believe the micro-nation was formed and used more as a legal exercise, to debate Australia's formation, although I'm not sure that was the sole intension, but that's my assumption from what I know of it. Driver4567 (talk) 13:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]