User talk:Frombelow

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Happy editing! Skomorokh 06:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

2010 FIFA World Cup

The thing is that it's not particularly relevant to the tournament. I'm sure other people will have an opinion on this, so I'll leave it up to them to decide whether or not that link is pertinent, but I personally don't think it is. – PeeJay 13:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Blikkiesdorp.JPG

Hi, did you mean to upload File:Blikkiesdorp.JPG with an invalid license? Pictures on wikipedia should be free such as CC-BY or Public domain. You can change the license or upload again with a free license if it got the chop. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 14:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes you're right. fixed the license for my photo. thanksFrombelow (talk) 17:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Your User Talk Introduction and The Five Pillars of Wikipedia

Hi, Frombelow, welcome to WP! May I call your attention on the possible head-on confrontation between the principles of this great invention and yours? Particularly your declaration that you see WP “not as an impartial source of information, but as a space of contestation within which a battle of who owns history is being fought” has reminded me of Don Quixote tilting at Windmills, as there seems to be a hugh consensus here that WP is not a battleground. I hope you the best. --Zack Holly Venturi (talk) 20:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, but you misread what is written on the link you presented: WP is not a battleground. Yes, of course it should not be a "place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, or nurture hatred or fear". I think it is fair enough to say there is near consensus on such an issue. However, I'm not speaking of it as a battleground for personal conflicts. Rather, I see it as a battleground of ideas. There's no such thing as impartiality whether this is in the media or in an encyclopedia. Impartiality is a misnomer for the status quo. If there's no such thing as impartiality, then what is the purpose of Wikipedia? What is the purpose of the media in general? It is clearly a battleground of ideas whether other editors think so or not. Unfortunately, certain perspectives get shafted because - among other reasons - lack of access to Internet and lack of literacy in general. I'm interesting in brining those opinions to the forefront to balance out wikipedia a bit.Frombelow (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Blikkiesdorp.JPG

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Re: District 9

Hi. We need more writers contributing to this article. Please see the talk page for open tasks and join the discussion. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 10:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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July 2010

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Abahlali baseMjondolo. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. FFMG (talk) 21:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Abahlali baseMjondolo, you may be blocked for vandalism. FFMG (talk) 18:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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In defense of the Internet

A blog I read .. http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/in-defense-of-the-internet/ Wizzy…☎ 06:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, saw that too. Very cool articleFrombelow (talk) 15:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Another article http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/about-glue-and-superglue/ Wizzy…☎ 12:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Social movements in south Africa and categories

Hi Frombelow, I don't think that it is appropriate to add to Mandela Park Backyarders and similar articles categories like "Urban studies and planning organisations" or "Human habitats". Their use in the context of a South African anti-eviction movement seems misleading. Not to mention that other categories like "Organisations based in South Africa" and "Social movements" are wholly redundant because "South African social movements" is already a subcategory of both of these. Adding an excessive number of categories only contributes to the visual clutter at the bottom of the page. I will not revert your edits, but I suggest you be more selective about the categories that are relevant in an article, and those that are not. Ciao, LK 02:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underlying lk (talk • contribs)

Proposed deletion of The Con Magazine

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Nomination of The Con Magazine for deletion

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September 2013

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• Edit was in good faith. I gave my explanation when I removed you're request for deletion.Frombelow (talk) 11:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

• It's your explanation that is the problem, not the edit in itself. Assuming someone is biased is not really the same as "assuming good faith"... --Randykitty (talk) 12:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

• Actually, that means you didn't understand my point. My point was that you're proposed deletion was based on a type of bias. Everyone is biased even those who edit in good faith. I was not saying that you're proposed deletion was in bad faith. Far from that. What I was saying is that its based on a bias (held by most wiki editors and people in general) against small media outlets. This is problematic because who is to say that a small media outlet such as The Con isn't notable? What makes it not notable? The fact that its small? Or the fact that it isn't mainstream? Or the fact that it is South African? Notability can be according to one's point of view. Obviously you don't think it is notable. However, I do think it is notable otherwise why would I take the time to create the page in the first place? I don't benefit from creating the page so I have no other reason to create it other than my own view that it is in fact notable - nevermind the fact that thousands of people already read The Con, they've been republished in a number of places, and they have well-established an notable well-known journalists as regular contributors. I therefore move to have the page remain at very least as a stub.Frombelow (talk) 21:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

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AbM navbox

Hello, just in case you are around, I have been making a draft navbox to put on articles related to Abahlali baseMjondolo articles and I'd love to get your feedback on it! The draft is sitting here currently. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 16:04, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

Thank you for creating Lindokuhle Mnguni! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Pablo Pinedo Boveda moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Pablo Pinedo Boveda, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969 We already had this discussion in the talk section of that page. You questioned the article saying its citations are not reliable or independent. I answered you that they all are reliable and independent. For instance, two of the articles cited are the two largest and most respected newspapers in South Africa - the [Daily Maverick]] and the Mail and Guardian. Are you saying the two largest and most respected newspapers in the country are not reliable and independent? Another article is from El Periódico de Aragón, a prominent newspaper in Spain. I could go on. What more do you want? Further, all the information provide in the article is verifiable if you actually read the articles cited. I challenged you to name one specific citation or one specific claim that didn't pass muster. You never responded to that. That is because they all are reliable independent media sources. You can't actually challenge me on the facts. You have failed to make your own case.

Now, despite failing to make your own case, you have moved the article unilaterally to draftspace. This is bad procedure. Its a waste of my time and of other people's time You have to make out the case that the citations are unreliable. You can't just claim it as fact and act unilaterally without providing evidence for this.

I would therefore appreciate it if either make out your case clearly so I can answer it or move it back as a published article. Thanks. Frombelow (talk) 22:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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Reclaim The City

Hey I just saw Reclaim The City - nice one for making it! Mujinga (talk) 17:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

sure. it still needs some work but its a start. Frombelow (talk) 14:31, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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Logo is copyleft licensed. I have now edited the page providing a link to the license. Frombelow (talk) 23:07, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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