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June 1, 2010August 31, 2010

Rollback request

Dear Sir,

I would like to get the rollback permission, in order to be able to use Huggle when reverting vandalism and graffiti. Cstaffa (talk) 16:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Quick question for you?

Why do you think my change was unconstructive in the Gaza article? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanKamen (talkcontribs) 03:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Global account

Hello there, J.delanoy. Since you're a steward, could you delete my global account "MC10" so that I can attach my local accounts again, as I don't have a home wiki (meta's CentralAuth)? Thanks. MC10 (TCGBL) 21:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

For some more information, see here. MC10 (TCGBL) 05:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Huggle 9.5

Hey J.delanoy! I am trying to go on Huggle 9.5 which I think is the newest version and the login button wouldn't allow me to login because the button is gray not like the other ones that I can press. What should I do? ActivExpressionSign! 01:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. I got the old version of Huggle. Now it works on Huggle 9.6. Sorry about the distraction. I thought it was the newest version. ActivExpressionSign! 01:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

time sink

Because doing that would create a huge drama and time sink that would eventually end up at ArbCom, whereas this page was never used and is full of half-truths and misleading statements (as well as clear errors of fact). It was never used, had no effect on the result, and cannot now be used, so should be deleted. An MfD would be the start of a huge mess. Verbal chat 18:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

And that justifies attempting a brute-force G10-spree hoping to find an admin who will delete it for you? J.delanoygabsadds 18:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
No one has done that. Just delete the bloody thing and we can all forget about it. Or ask the arbs involved what they think. It's all pointless, so why not just delete it. Verbal chat 18:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Verbal, you are allowed to file an MfD and thus to add the MfD template as necessary and appropriate. However, if you otherwise touch User:Abd/Response to Verbal, I will take it to a noticeboard or to ArbComm directly, and I believe that ArbComm will take a dim view of what amounts to long-term harassment here. You may also make comments and request corrections of any errors on the page on the attached Talk page. But it was my evidence, prepared for an RfAr, and actually cited there, and I should be the only one to change it, and even then I should not materially change it, and only ArbComm should be able to order its deletion. I hope there is no more disruption from this, and thanks, J., for your action. Had this been deleted, it would have gone to DRV and ArbComm. --Abd (talk) 18:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Randy Johnson

We might need a rangeblock on the IPs editing the above article, but I don't know how to calculate one. Your help would be appreciated. They are already over the warning threshold for being blocked, but I don't know how to make it happen. — KV5Talk • 19:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Blocked for two days. J.delanoygabsadds 19:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Cheers. — KV5Talk • 19:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
FWIW, the easiest way to check what range you need to block is to look up the IP address's WHOIS report (I use since it collates reports from all the RIRs). If it doesn't actually say what the range is, you can use this tool to calculate what range you need. J.delanoygabsadds 19:41, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Checkuser Needed, Please

A checkuser is needed on this ANI thread. Something seems to be up with User talk:Louiefontanez. Not sure if there is socks afoot, a comprimised account or what. But the user is apparently sending out emails via Wikipedia laced with personal attacks, but has made no edits in 2010, only one in April 2009, before that nothing til 2007. Something isn't right here. Could you take a look? - NeutralHomerTalk • 00:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Most likely be related to this IP account. - NeutralHomerTalk • 00:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Another checkuser worked on the case and an admin blocked the user in question. Hope all is well. Take Care...NeutralHomerTalk • 08:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Yup, it's resolved, thanks anyway J. Tommy2010message 12:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the block on User:Bistuderby. I ignored the first round of crap, hoping he'd get bored and go play somewhere else, but today's crap wave indicated not. I'm assuming the indef block will truly be forever, but just in case, I'll also point out that the user name violates WP:U, "Offensive usernames are those that offend other contributors, making harmonious editing difficult or impossible."; I take the name as a personal attack at me - it's not like my name is even close to common. If there's an admin "double secret super probation", that account should be on it. Thanks again. Studerby (talk) 00:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome. Indefinite means "infinite unless another admin is willing to unblock". I can practically guarantee that no admin will ever unblock that account. J.delanoygabsadds 00:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Privacy purposes

I suggest creating a new page User:J.delanoy/talk (or something), cut/paste everything here over to there, have that page SineBot enabled, and immediately set the protection level to move=sysop. One of the vandal log entries claims to state your IP address (whether or not it's true is not much business to the public), so doing this would make it much less visible, while possibly completely hiding the other log afterwards. mechamind90 17:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I used to have /unprotectedtalk, but there was so much vandalism that I had to delete and salt it. J.delanoygabsadds 00:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental Meditation movement

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following is a summary of the remedies enacted:

  • All editors who are party to this case are instructed to read the principles, to review their own past conduct in the light of them, and if necessary to modify their future conduct to ensure full compliance with them.
  • Editors are reminded that when editing in controversial subject areas it is all the more important to comply with Wikipedia policies. In addition, editors who find it difficult to edit a particular article or topic from a neutral point of view and to adhere to other Wikipedia policies are counselled that they may sometimes need or wish to step away temporarily from that article or subject area, and to find other related but less controversial topics in which to edit.
  • Any uninvolved administrator may, in his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor editing Transcendental meditation or other articles concerning Transcendental meditation and related biographies of living people, broadly defined, if, after a warning, that editor repeatedly or seriously violates the behavioural standards or editorial processes of Wikipedia in connection with these articles.
  • Uninvolved administrators are invited to monitor the articles in the area of conflict to enforce compliance by editors with, in particular, the principles outlined in this case. Enforcing administrators are instructed to focus on fresh and clear-cut matters arising after the closure of this case rather than on revisiting historical allegations.
  • From time to time, the conduct of editors within the topic may be re-appraised by any member of the Arbitration Committee and, by motion of the Arbitration Committee, further remedies may be summarily applied to specific editors who have failed to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner.
  • User:Fladrif is (i) strongly admonished for incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith; and (ii) subject to an editing restriction for one year. Should he make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After three blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one month.
  • Should any user subject to a restriction or topic ban in this case violate that restriction or ban, that user may be blocked, initially for up to one month, and then with blocks increasing in duration to a maximum of one year, with the topic ban clock restarting at the end of the block.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ~ Amory (utc) 18:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Discuss this

Kaiserreich et alias

Hi I saw you today doing an edit on the talk page of Mtumiaji:Kaiserreich at He is troubling us at the moment under a number of aliases. How did you get to follow him to sw? sw:mtumiaji:kipala ---- Kipala (talk) 18:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I watch an IRC channel that has some robots that list edits from many projects, and highlights edits that may be vandalism. Since that edit removed a large amount of text, the robot highlighted it, and I clicked on the link it gave me to the edit. J.delanoygabsadds 20:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the info; this is an identity of a multi-sock who loves to play across wikipedias; he is not malicious (tried to clean up his mess under different identity) but pretty chaotic and troublesome... Kipala (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


Dear J.delanoy, I see you're in the byline for this week's signpost article about the British Museum activities. Could you please make sure there is appropriate mention of the major project to come out of that day, the WP:GLAM/BM/Featured Article prize? This is more than the reporting of an event but a (IMHO) major announcement and could potentially be broken off into its own subsection. Also, could you make sure that the NYTimes article about the event gets mentioned in the "in the news" section too? Sincerely, Witty Lama 21:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why that was there, I didn't actually write anything on that page. Sorry. J.delanoygabsadds 22:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


See the deleted contributions of Signleavesignleave (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been getting similar stuff for quite some time. J.delanoygabsadds 01:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
I figured that. Just thought you might want to know. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision to Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri articles

I noticed that you have revised either Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri or Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire.

I intend to revise those articles following the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines. There are more details on the discussion pages of those articles. I'd be interested in any comments you have. It would be best if your comments were on the discussion pages of the two articles.

Thank you.

Vyeh (talk) 14:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


Hi J. I notice you've blocked this range as it's probably had a runtshit proxy on it. I wonder if you could take a look and see if the BOLT IPs are being used. There's been more than one request before to get this unblocked[1][2]. I'm not entirely sure of the whole range but I think it's fairly small. If you could take a look and if runtshit's not using it then softblock or something, it'd be appreciated. Thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 07:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, he hasn't used it since I blocked it, which isn't too surprising. I can't really see much now of what I saw then, because I blocked it almost three months ago. I guess if you want to give unprotection a try, I have no real objections. J.delanoygabsadds 15:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Yep, a bit late in the day I know. Knowing runtshit he would have been using one of the open web proxies in the range. I have no idea if BOLT is still exiting on the same range ( IIRC), but it's still registered to them so I may just softblock their range. There were a few good faith editors there previously. theplanet is always a tricky rangeblock to make IME. -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

RE: Earlier Warning

Hi, I noticed that you have warned me for leaving unconstructive comments on another admins page. I was wondering why this was as I was just asking why requesting the removal of a page belonging to one of my family members was unconstructive? Cheers Stephen Dalbiac (talk) 16:38, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism in Albanian Wikipedia

I've seen you have reverted some edits made by vandal users in our Wikipedia. As I saw your profile, I thought you were the right man to contact with. This isn't related as much to another user called Elio96, who is having trouble with his articles and is struggling to keep them as clean as they should be. But the problem is that an user has started to delete contents of his articles. He has been blocked several times by our administrators, but he continues to open new accounts and does the same thing. Firstly, you can see his edits as an anonymous user (IP then he opened an account with name Elio69, then Kristiani59, Elio66, and now Telio69. What can you do something in order that this user no longer will embarass and vandalise our articles?--Kristiani95 (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Making a request that a checkuser query to be run may allow sqwiki's administrators to target a range block to stop him. J.delanoygabsadds 16:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


I've sent you an email, would appreciate a response if you have a minute. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Add this to your collection...

Barnstar of Reversion2.png The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For tirelessly fighting vandalism wherever it may be found. Especially on my User page. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 22:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you :-) J.delanoygabsadds 22:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Greetings again and thanks...

Greetings J.delanoy – thanks for that and for being out there. Cheers!--Technopat (talk) 00:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Olde Tyme Englishe

I love it. You're only the third person (I'm the second) I know who uses the word "userboxen." Couple of questions re Huggle, if you could help. First, is there a way to get the page title checkboxes to "stay put" between sessions? Second, with "Filtered Edits," is there some way to exclude pages about bands and sports and video games? Finally, is there a setting to stop Huggle from adding pages to my watchlist? (I don't have preferences set that way.)kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 23:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "page title checkboxes". As far as I know, you can make custom queues, but I don't think you can modify existing ones. J.delanoygabsadds 02:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
On a queue's Page Title tab. kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 02:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm still not sure what you're talking about... J.delanoygabsadds 02:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry. Maybe this will help? kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 02:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Try manually editing your huggle.css page to include all namespaces. Be aware that some of the namespaces may not be named what they are labeled. J.delanoygabsadds 02:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
<mrburnsvoice>Excelennnnt!</mrburnsvoice> And thank you. I'll give that a shot. For filtered edits queue I really want to stay in articlespace. This would be so much easier if we would just tag all IP addresses with a final warning right from the get go. Of course that would be a lot of addresses.... Thanks again. kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 02:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Nope - made no difference. I'll file a bug. kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 02:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


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Hello, J.delanoy. You have new messages at Raeky's talk page.
Message added 03:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

My userpage

Hello. Could you please full-protect my user page and set it at indefinitely? I don't want it being edited right now. Thanks. Schfifty3 04:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

As you've noticed, we've got someone using this whole Verizon Wireless range to evade blocks. I checked the range and indeed they are all VZW. Do you think you could see via CU if we'd be catching any legit users before we rangeblock? Daniel Case (talk) 05:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hardblocking is, in my opinion, not worth it at this point. Blocking AO ACB is an option, but I wouldn't recommend much longer than a month. J.delanoygabsadds 05:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Rangeblock. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


You might want to be aware of this SPI. I would also recommend a long range block if possible, but I think I mentioned that before. - NeutralHomerTalk • 05:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Checkuser help required

Hello, I'd be grateful for the help of a checkuser at WP:AE#Brandmeister to determine whether the account at issue is indeed likely to be compromised, as is being claimed there. I suppose one could compare login IPs, if these are logged and available to checkuser, or check whether the IP who claims to be Brandmeister matches the IPs previously used by that account. Any help or advice would be appreciated.  Sandstein  21:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


I was told by a CHU clerk that my sock account was susceptible to spoofing (spoofing checks not working on rename targets), so I create a doppelgänger to activate spoofing checks... and you hard block it within seconds- that's efficient! Courcelles (talk) 00:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh, sorry... J.delanoygabsadds 00:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Nah, the block was fine- since I don't have the password to it, I'll likely even reinstate the block, I was just amazed how fast it came. Courcelles (talk) 00:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, I watch an IRC channel that has some bots reporting usernames, and I saw the capital "I" substituted for the "l", and assumed it was an impersonator. J.delanoygabsadds 00:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
"I watch an IRC channel that has some bots reporting usernames" - proof J. is part robot! :) - NeutralHomerTalk • 00:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

A link on your "Hey, that was my page you deleted!" page

You linked to First person when I think you meant First person narrative. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 00:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. J.delanoygabsadds 02:36, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Could you do another favour...

...and reset the protection to [move=sysop]? I want to change my userpage, but not in a harmful way. Thanks, Schfifty3 04:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, the fun...

Hi, J. If you take a peek at the history of my talk page, it would seem that I've incurred the wrath of a naughty widdle boy who first had you in his sights and is now throwing tantrums because I've stepped in to help you. Gosh, ain't it fun to administer this playpen of a site? People like that shouldn't even own computers. Anyway, I'll be keeping an eye on your talk page. A few good users are keeping tabs on mine, it would seem. Don't let the little bastards grind you down. Best, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:46, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Found two sleepers. J.delanoygabsadds 17:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Guess what, PMD? I became a collateral damage in your place... other that that, no harm done and life goes on. ╮(╯_╰)╭ Best. --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 18:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Gabi Hernandez SPI

Out of curiousity, was user User:SunsetOne included in your likely finding? That user doesn't quite seem to fit the pattern to me, though PMDrive1061 felt confident enough to block them as a sleeper. AniMate 19:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. They have a lot of overlap in articles edited, but based purely on technical evidence, I'd say  Unlikely at best, and probably  Unrelated. J.delanoygabsadds 19:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Montana state capitol 2.jpg

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Im not going to trout you due to your good faith attempt at ensuring this image was protected while it was on the main page. However, you set the expiry time so that it was still on the main page for an hour. βcommand 23:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

heh, oops... J.delanoygabsadds 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Help w/ Filtrete Vacuum Accessories page

Hi there,

I am hoping to re-post the Filtrete Vacuum Accessories page and was hoping for some assistance. Will the following copy pass Wikipedia guidelines?

Thanks for your help! Ben Benji1313 (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Filtrete Vacuum Accessories The Filtrete™ Vacuum Accessories line include filters, dust bags and belts. The full line consists of more than 130 items that fit many vacuum cleaner styles.


I left you an email about a checkuser issue. Please respond ASAP. Thanks. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 11:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

old SPI/CU case you were involved in is heating back up

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/FetchFan21 There is some question as to why certain accounts were found to be unrelated way back at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Simulation12/Archive#Report date January 28 2010, 00:17 (UTC). Anything you may have to add would be helpful. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually you can probably disregard this message, you only submitted the CU findings at the old SPI and obviously you can't discuss the specific details. Sorry for the bother. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


I'm just wondering what you do when you are an adminstrator. Tell me as detailed as possible. Thanks! ActivExpressionTalkGuestbook 23:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Block Sock

Hello, J.delanoy. Please, Sinbad is back, he needs to be blocked. I was informing User:Rodhullandemu about this, and he was blocking those socks (almost once a week), but did you see what happened to him!? OMG, it's too bad when something like that happen. I am quite shocked. Wikipedia discussions are for strong ones... :(((

Please, see below.

1. Illyrian Lizzard (talk · contribs) = 2. Sinbad Barron (talk · contribs)

1. Lizzard
2. HRB, sock of Sinbad

And sure, everything else. It is DUCK. For more, i am here. All best. --Tadijaspeaks 11:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

IP block exemption for EditorGuy07

I've granted IP block exemption for this user, following your range block of (see their talk page). Although this user has had warnings in the past, and is not a frequent editor, I've given them the benefit of the doubt. However, if you have reason to think otherwise, feel free to revert me. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 21:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


Howdy. This user (Hellosparta) is caught in a range block you have explictly marked as checkuser related. Please review. Since you've indicated limited availability, I'll drop this note on one other checkuser's page as well. Kuru (talk) 14:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Black Veil Brides article creator

Articles with substantially similar text have been created and repeatedly deleted over the last several months as Black Veil Brides and Black veil brides and the creators of both have been blocked for sockpuppetry, one of which — AtlanticDeep — you did in January and the other — Mcrfobrockr — was done by Bwilkins last month. A new try on that article, again with substantially similar text (I'm not a sysop, but I looked at the article in June and remember it reasonably well) is taking place at Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Black Veil Brides by user UltraHeadShot, who appears to have a similar editing pattern in addition to the similar text in the article. Just thought you might like to know. I'm going to leave a note on Bwilkins' talk page as well. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 22:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Checkuser assistance?

See Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_778Showen778. I believe those are all socks. I keep blocking, but they keep returning, and I was wondering if a check could be done to identify if any IPs could be hard-blocked. Also, if it can be confirmed that these are all the same user. Thanks, Enigmamsg 20:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. Enigmamsg 22:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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Userify Lucid Desktop

Long time no speak :). This article was deleted a while ago, I'm wondering if you can move it to my namespace so I can improve it. Thanks. Message from XENUcomplaints? leave me a message! 23:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll do it. Enigmamsg 02:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

about User:Silenceplace

zh:User:Silenceplace is a normal contributor in zhwiki, however his account with the same name was blocked indefinitely in enwiki few days ago. May you doublecheck that puppet investigation to see if there was some mistakes? You may be awared that some pages of wikipedia are blocked in mainland China, I believe that User:Silenceplace had used a specific proxy which caused him to be blocked. --阿pp (talk) 08:28, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

It does look unlikely to me as well. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 03:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for removing vandalism from my user page! :) Best, Guoguo12--Talk--  22:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Cheers! J.delanoygabsadds 22:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Helpful userpage edits

Cheers, What are you, the userpage fairy? Ocaasi (talk) 02:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

lol no. J.D, RCP (recent changes patrol). J.delanoygabsadds 02:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I figured all RCP'ers just ignored talk pages. Lots of extra junk, no? Or was it "Jimbo" that triggered it?Ocaasi (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Welcome Back

Glad to see you are back. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 03:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

User rights

I have been using rollback for quite sometime now.. Had a few problems at first but got it figured out pretty quick. How do I get reviewer rights? - 4twenty42o (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Done Airplaneman 19:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Unblock request of User talk:Uga Man

Unblock request on hold, you were involved, so please comment, as I'm not comfortable unblocking without consulting those involved NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)