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I noticed that Hebrew words in articles sometimes displayed backwards. When I tried to figure out what the formatting error was, I couldn't see any difference between the "right" and the "wrong". Now I'm thinking the problem is only on my Nook.

E.g., in the article Taboon bread, the first paragraph has three Hebrew phrases: la-fah, Iraqi pita, and ash-tanur.

On the Nook (in the default browser, or in the Dolphin browser), the first two display correctly; the Hebrew for "ash-tanur" displays backwards.

On a real computer, in either Internet Explorer or Firefox, all three display correctly.

I looked at the "Edit" page for the article. The three phrases are entered the same way. The Hebrew for "ash-tanur" appears backwards.

I tried viewing source in the browser on the Nook. Still, the three phrases are handled the same way.

Any idea where to look for the reason one out of three is treated differently on the Nook?

My guess is that it's just a bug in how the Nook renders the page—if they have a place to report problems, maybe you should mention it there? DoriTalkContribs 01:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


    It looks like the bad displays result from vowels:  the Hebrew for la-fah and Iraqi pita used no vowels; ash-tanur included two vowels.
    I have tried to track down the bidirectional properties of these "vowels", as opposed to those of normal Hebrew letters.  So far, I haven't been able to understand what I've found.  It's still not clear whether the Android browser is acting badly, or whether Microsoft and Mozilla both compensated for flaws in the specifications.

appropriate list[edit]

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An article has a warning that the article contains a list, which might be more appropriately presented as prose. I think the list is appropriate. Is there something I should do to eliminate the warning? Or something I should do to register my vote that the list be left alone, and the warning removed? Jmichael ll (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Can we have a link to the article please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom29739 (talkcontribs) 16:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Yoknapatawpha County
I want to know what I should do when I find something like this in any article.
Jmichael ll (talk) 17:21, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Basically it means that someone thinks that instead of a long list that that list should be written out in paragraphs. See here: WP:PROSE for more details. Thanks, Tom29739 [talk] 17:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC).
I think I understand the warning, though I didn't think there was a warm body behind it -- I assumed some program scanned all articles and inserted this "maybe it should be changed" flag because of the list.
I still want to know how I should respond to one of these warnings in a random article, when I think the list is appropriate; especially when I think the list is superior to a contrived paragraph. I didn't just delete the warning flag because I assumed the automatic scanner would just re-insert it.
Should I move any follow-up to this question to another location? (Like the "Teahouse" mentioned in the "This question has been answered" notice?
Jmichael ll (talk) 04:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
What article is this about? If you answer, I'll be watching here so it's unnecessary to add the help me tag again. For starters, if you want to learn how Wikipedia works, visit the welcome links above especially WP:Welcome if you're not entirely familiar how everything works. If you have further questions, ask them here and I'll attempt my best to answer them. SwisterTwister talk 07:22, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Nook Tablet browser hanging[edit]

Where do I go to find out whether Wikipedia (or its ISP) has changed anything, especially anything to do with what SSL certificate it serves, or whether it supports OCSP?

When I try to use Wikipedia with the browser on my Nook Tablet, the page never finishes loading. A page is displayed, but the browser indicates that it is still loading. Disabling Javascript doesn't help.

I noticed the problem last night (Wednesday, 10 August 2016). When I went to a real computer to check, I found that Firefox refused to display anything, complaining that the OCSP response had a time that was in the future. Today, I was about to check things related to my system time and Firefox's options, but Firefox works fine now.

The Nook Tablet browser (and the Dolphin browser) still never finish loading a page. I have rebooted the tablet. I have reset the browser to defaults. Nothing helps. It is not possible to update the browser. It is not possible to get another browser (other than Dolphin) on the Nook Tablet.

I believe it would help if I could access Wikipedia without using a secure connection, but that does not seem to be an option: If I go out of my way to request "http:Wikipedia", I get redirected to "https:Wikipedia".

Jmichael ll (talk) 23:53, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

The best place to ask this sort of question is WP:VPT where the gururs tend to hang out. JohnCD (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

default preferences[edit]

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How can I view the default preferences? I.e., the preferences that are applied when I view a Wikipedia page without logging in? Jmichael ll (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Just view a page without logging in. Editors get some special preferences (a signature, for example) ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm looking for a place that will show all possible preferences, like Special:Preferences, and will show which are asserted when noone is logged in. Jmichael ll (talk) 00:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

To my knowledge, that would be the only place for any preferences. SwisterTwister talk 02:19, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Where should I post a question to get the attention of someone who can tell me what the default preferences are? Jmichael ll (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Maybe ask at the WP:Village pump/Technical? There's a little related info at WP:Why_create_an_account?#User_preferences. 220 of Borg 08:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, there is no page that shows that. I think you can get MediaWiki to give you a list if you poke it in the right places, so you really should be asking at the WP:Village pump/Technical. -- AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 10:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
There's Help:Preferences, which does discuss the default settings at times (not sure if it always does so). If this is important, you can take notes of your current preferences and then reset them all to the defaults via Special:Preferences/reset - restoring your own choices may take some effort, though; I do not guarantee the special page will allow you to simply look at those default preferences without saving them. Huon (talk) 11:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)