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Oh no, don't worry about that. Sure, Cui pisses me off, but in order to keep NPOV I suppose we should include some of his comments. I guess I could have sounded less curt there, but I didn't want to make an idiot of myself by soapboxing for thirty lines. :) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:53 22 April, 2008 (UTC)

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your choral symphony article

Hi Jonyungk; I watch Symphony No. 8 (Mahler). You coincidentally brought a link to your article and I saw that you made the link. Therefore, I stumbled upon your newly-written article.

About your article, I noticed that not many articles link to yours; most likely it's because your article was in preliminary stages and you were about to add plenty, but I decided to add some links to your article, perhaps bringing choral symphony to more attention. I like your article very much; I actually did want to do something to elaborate on such symphonies; your article is just right. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 02:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Choral symphony

Updated DYK query On 16 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Choral symphony, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Rach work

Hey, I'd like to thank you for your work on Rach's article. You put in very high-quality work! ALTON .ıl 05:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply on Mahler and Shostakovich

Hi, the three pieces you mentioned all are not choral symphonies.

  1. I can't imagine Mahler's fourth as a choral symphony. It only has a soprano solo at the fourth movement, so it is almost entirely orchestral! (You can go check on other sources, but I am quite sure that all confirm that it is not a "choral symphony". Oxford may have been lazy.)
  2. Shostakovich's fourteenth is not a choral symphony for the same reasons. There is no choir.
  3. Yes, Das Lied von der Erde is not a choral symphony because there is no choir.

These symphonies can all be considered symphonies for orchestra and voice parts, but not as choral symphonies. I'll make a guess as to why Das Lied was left out of the choral symphony category: perhaps because it is unnumbered and some people just consider this work as a large-scale work for orchestra and voice parts. Mahler said it was a symphony, but there is still a bit of ambiguity. I myself am not too sure of the reason why Mahler wrote a Das Lied and a ninth symphony. (He was obsessed with the curse and perhaps when he wrote his ninth, which was actually the tenth, he skipped the curse. The curse would not affect him because he was already starting a tenth. Does this make sense?) I hope this clears it up a bit. Cheers. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 21:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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Bagatelle sans tonalité

Hi! I currently don't have much of a strong opinion, but my general suggestion is to just leave it as is, since an article about a piece can definitely be expanded, no mattter now small it may be. I'm sure there are some who don't consider the bagatelle as a Waltz. If you want to merge the text, there is a specific procedure to merge that should be followed.

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Nice to see you again. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 16:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


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"Copy writing"

Hello Jonyungk, I'm writing, having gone through the history of the Shostakovich 2nd Symphony. I noticed you marked several edits as "copy writing" in the edit summary. I would understand that to mean Copy editing, but your edits actually added content, which does not fall under the copy editing tasks. I hope I'm not too pedantic; it's just that when someone goes through an article history, it is useful to have meaningful edit summaries to help sort out the edits. Cheers, --Atavi (talk) 08:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Jonyungk (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I'm actually replying on somebody else's page as well

Very good, but why all the photographs of the composers? I think that if someone wanted to know what they looked like, they could click the links to their names. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  02:06 29 July, 2008 (UTC)

Part of my publishing background—break up the page visually to make it more attractive so people will be more likely to read it. Wonder if that's true for Wiki readers as well? Jonyungk (talk) 04:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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Manfred Symphony

I just wanted to compliment you for your Manfred Symphony article. Really great combining of information about the piece, its genesis, analysis, etc. WP needs more articles like this. Thanks. Best, -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 19:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Nadezhda von Meck

Hello Jonyungk, as main author of Nadezhda von Meck perhaps You can give some assistance: I just wrote the counterpart in the german WP, but there is some uncertainty regarding her place of death, it seems to be either Wiesbaden or Nice. Perhaps You can help me with a reliable source ? Cheers, --Density (talk) 11:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the pleasure of hearing from you! David Brown mentions Nice in p. 293 of Tchaikovsky: The Final Years as the place Galina von Meck was travelling to nurse her dying mother-in-law. I believe either Holden or Warrack, maybe both, also mention Nice as where Nadezhda von Meck died. Cheers, Jonyungk (talk) 22:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello Jonyungk, many thanks for your answer ! I'll cite it on the discussion page of the german article. --Density (talk) 06:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

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Life of Franz Liszt

I can't really jump in without repeating what one of you have already said—repeating my comment there. Just wait another week and all the shit will get flushed. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:04 19 September, 2008 (UTC)

Jonyungk, your article should be fine! Note that it is Kleinzach who brought it up and is still arguing. I would say don't worry and just keep on happily editing. I haven't talked to you in a while. You deserve an award. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 22:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Images on Rachmaninov's First Symphony

Can you reupload them?, because thay have been removed due to there was no license, I'm translating the article to spanish, so I would be useful for me to use them. Furthermore, I think that you can make this article a featured article, I think it deserves it. Congrats for your hard-working! OboeCrack (talk) 11:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Please reply in the spanish wikipedia. thanks!

Yeah, thanks. Just another question. What would be the correct translation of Political Bias (an article's section), it is like they tend to a political party, or jsut the style of the composition? Please, try to explain me this carefully. Thanks again! OboeCrack (talk) 12:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

A star for you

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Choral symphony reply

Hi Jonyungk! I really like the way your article choral symphony is looking. To tell you the truth, I can't understand why this article would be rated just "C". When did your article receive an assessment and what improvements or changes have you made since then? You should ask if the reviewer has any additional comments on improvement.

Some suggestions: try to link your article to more articles relevant and to the compositions you mention. (look at the "What links here") Put your article under additional relevant categories. Personally, the article looks great. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 19:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you haven't read this:

One more thing, I miss some sections to made the article even great:

  1. The section form is perfect, but it needs examples of score parts, like in Symphony No. 2 (Rachmaninoff)#Movements. Maybe we should take this phrase: "The symphony is written in four movements:" to the starting of the new section "Movements".
  2. An additional section of recordings, just a few.

Finally I encourage you to improve it to featured article. You have here a good example Symphony No. 3 (Górecki).

Best whises, your dear friend OboeCrack (talk) 12:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I have translated all the article, It was very interesting. congrats. OboeCrack (talk) 22:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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Tchaik

I've been watching your work on this with interest! In my opinion, one could make a separate article Symphonies by Tchaikovsky out of the symphony section, and reduce the existing section to something commensurate with the rest of the article, to keep the whole in balance. Section 2 ('Music') also seems disorganised and with quite a bit of waffle that doesn't belong in a main article. If these aspects could be tidied up the whole article would be much stronger and I think could be rerated. I'm not myself a big Tchaikovsky man, but you seem to have the devotion :-} Best regards, --Smerus (talk) 21:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

'Would the three paragraphs currently in the music section under the subtitle "Public considerations" actually work better in the lead section of the article? One concern voiced was that the lead should be three or four paragraphs in length and these paragraphs might fit the bill, along with the one paragraph that is the current lead. Or maybe not.' I am a strong believer in having one (or sometimes two) paragraph leads, with the other information being indexed/categorised in the contents list. Otherwise there is a risk the reader will be lost in byways before s/he gets to the meat. This way the reader can decide what (if any) particular bits s/he wants to concentrate on. I have tried to keep to this in all the articles I have written/rewritten and I think it comes out more punchy. But see also Wikipedia:Header#Lead_section. Best regards, --Smerus (talk) 09:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words and good wishes, which I heartily reciprocate. Come out btw in Oct 2009 to the music festival I organise for a great performance of the op. 50 piano trio :-} --Smerus (talk) 23:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Rajmáninov

Have you read my suggestions? Please reply and tell me waht you think. OboeCrack (talk) 14:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Tchaikovsky and the Five

I read the article Tchaikovsky and the Five, and I think it might make a good Good Article (or possibly even Feature Article) candidate. It's got a few problems, though, and you seem to have been the major contributor (I notice you're doing all sorts of work on the main Tchaikovsky article, and edited this one as well). The issues:

  1. Even though it's well cited, it needs more. I don't have access to your sources; would you be up to adding some more if I mark the places with {{fact}} tags? There are enough that it's probably a non-trivial effort (and I know much of a pain actually citing these sorts of things is).
  2. It needs some copyediting (typos, naming consistency of Rimsky, and other such trivia). I can do this.
  3. The extended quotations ought to be set off differently from the text -- I sometimes had trouble knowing if something was part of a quote. I think either {{Cquote}} or {{Quotation}} would be an improvement; do you have a strong feeling if I were to place the extended quotes within one or the other?

You can answer here. (We can also move this to the article talk page -- I thought I'd ask you first.) Thanks! Magic♪piano 15:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the encouragement and suggestions. Yes, go ahead and make the amendments you suggest and move this to the talk page. Jonyungk (talk) 15:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

J, I took a look at this - looks more like material for a doctoral thesis than a Good Article candidate! :-} Best regards, --Smerus (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note and the corrections, however I still have a few problems with the references. It is not possible to work out which of Brown's many books is being invoked in notes 62 & 63. Other than this the article is fine.Pyrotec (talk) 21:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Its now GA-class.Pyrotec (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Rimskaya-Korsakova

Hi Jonyungk; I went ahead and created the page Rimskaya-Korsakova for you. You can take a look. The code is: #REDIRECT [[Insert page to redirect]]. You can click the "#R" symbol at the top of your editing box to create such a redirect page. I like the picture of her on your article! :) — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 03:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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