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Unsourced additions at List of Alberta provincial highways

Further the the above notice, are you able to swing back to List of Alberta provincial highways to add sources that support the Hwy 1A, 1B, 2A and 14 additions you contributed? Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 06:48, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I know it takes a lot of time adding junctions to the lists so I thought I'd try to save you some: WP:RJL is pretty clear in the matter - crossing that are just flyovers with no highway access should not be included in the lists. There's still some of them in various articles but as I come across them they will be removed. Thanks for updating the mileage on Deerfoot. -- Acefitt 00:49, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Acefitt: Thanks for the heads up. I saw flyovers on some of the old railway-style schematic drawings so that's why I included them. I deleted the flyovers on Whitemud Drive. Cheers! -- MuzikMachine (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yellowhead Highway

There's no precedent for a Route list section at Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada Roads/Structure, just an FYI. There's also nothing saying the infobox can't be done properly and include major junctions along the route as is done at WP:USRD, see Interstate 90. I'm not removing the Route list section though it's quite clearly intended for stuff like List of state routes in Tennessee, but we'll call it even and leave the junctions in the infobox. -- Acefitt 01:04, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Acefitt: Sounds good. Regarding the Infobox, I noticed that main interstate pages like Interstate 90 use the state instead of the city under the location tab, with cites (or counties) being used on the respective state pages like Interstate 90 in Washington. I'm wondering if pages like the Yellowhead Highway and Trans-Canada Highway should list the provinces on the location, with provincial highway pages like Alberta Highway 16, etc listing the cities. Thoughts? -- MuzikMachine (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love to do it like that, but we can't cause the other guys won't budge on their ownership of that template. Some idiot decided that we should do cities instead of provinces, and include non-notable things like villages, and that's the way it has to stay. -- Acefitt 20:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see you're running away with {{Routelist}} now, but here's what we have to do. We can do the table pretty much as is, but just use standard wikitable syntax and not {{Routelist}} for a couple of reasons: 1) you are using it to describe the components of a route and not different routes, therefore we need to eliminate the sortable columns. 2) The "formed" and "removed" columns are a not necessary and therefore a huge waste of space. 3) the table is not rendering correctly at certain resolutions. I'm switching over Yellowhead Highway and we'll go from there. -- Acefitt 00:55, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Acefitt: That's fine. The wikitable syntax is better as it can be customized. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 03:52, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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We're not even having a discussion about this before you made the executive decision to revert the WP:UCRN changes in the infoboxes? -- Acefitt 21:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Did you have a link to the discussion when it was originally changed? Outside of links to Queen Elizabeth Way (unsigned ON 451), most infoxboxes use route numbers as opposed to abbreviated names. - MuzikMachine (talk) 19:38, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there was a discussion... specifically related to SPF which we agreed that 99% of the population does not know is named Highway 100, is not signed anywhere as Highway 100, and is a road which AT in documents lists as "SPF" in place of 100. This is obviously an anomaly and other infoboxes therefore do not set precedent. -- Acefitt 22:54, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough re: SPF, that's one reason why I blanked out the route shield. What about Stoney Trail and Anthony Henday Drive? Standard practice would have Hwy 201 & Hwy 216 respectively in the infoxbox links, not shortened names. I feel those should be reverted. MuzikMachine (talk) 04:41, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will restore those and leave SPF. -- Acefitt 20:39, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Southern Yellowhead highway

Hello, Thanks for your help with the formatting on List of British Columbia provincial highways page. I just wanted to point out that on BC-5, the Yellowhead shield is only used SOUTH of Kamloops. The standard BC shield is used NORTH of there, on the Coquihalla Highway. I do mean this with all due respect, and I only do this to alleviate the misconception. Fhsig13 (talk) 00:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Fhsig13: With all due respect, it was like that when the Coquihalla opened but changed a number of years ago (2000s?) and the Yellowhead shield is currently used on the entire route; see Google Streetview at Hope, Merritt, and Kamloops. I've driven the Coquihalla a number of times and haven't seen a standard BC-5 shield for a very long time, with the possible exception of the odd remnant. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 05:31, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Be that as it may, since the signage is still present, plus the article for BC Highway 5 describes it as such, as well as the BC Government website, I suggest we leave both signs on the page(s). Let me know what you think. Fhsig13 (talk) 07:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Fhsig13: Has BC changed its signage convention for the Coquihalla Highway? It was BC-5 from 1986 - c. 2000, then the signage was changed to YH-5. IMO, it's no different than the Crowsnest Highway where it's all signed with the Crowsnest marker. I'll concede that the "Southern Yellowhead Highway" name applies to Kamloops-TCH 16. If non-free copyright issues weren't an issue, personally I would apply the Yellowhead shield to road junctions and retire the BC-5 shield, but that's a different story. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 16:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think they may have changed the signage convention, yes, given that the signs can be found on the highway, however, those could also be leftovers from 1986-c. 2000, so we'll have to check more into that. Also, it looks like the no-free copyright matter has taken a backseat for now, as Marchjuly has stopped pushing the matter since I added the free-use rationales to the image descriptions, so I don't think it's anything of major concern from here on out. Fhsig13 (talk) 20:26, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Fhsig13: Fair enough. I'm trying to figure out a way to get the YH-5 shield for Template:Jct which is used any various lists. At this point, I think my options are obtaining permission from the BCMoT or creating a vector of some sort (maybe using PD clip art?); it would only need to be acceptable for approx 20px, though I don't know what copyright ramifications exists. Any thoughts? -- MuzikMachine (talk) 21:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@MuzikMachine: The version that exists should work alright, so long as you add corresponding free-use rationales on it's description page. Fhsig13 (talk) 03:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I’d be cautious about just assuming that added a rationale to a file’s page is in and of itself a specific justification for non-free use as explained per WP:JUSTONE. As for the files being discussed at FFD, you’ve provided no clarification as to why the use of those file is “enormously significantly” to that list article and the rationale you added were basically copied-and-pasted ones that also do not address the particular ways the files are being used. As I explained, this type of usage is almost never allowed, so the burden is upon you per WP:NFCCE to provide not only a separate, specific rationale, but a valid rationale. There’s been no need for a further comment at FFD about that because you haven’t really addressed the relevant NFLISTS issues.

You also haven’t addressed how using a copyrighted image and adding the number 16 to it suddenly makes the copyright status of original imagery void. If your new version is a derivative work of a copyrighted image, then permission is needed from both copyright holders for it to be accepted by Commons. If you did create a freely equivalent for one Yellowhead sign, then someone else can do the same for the other in the same manner and a non-free is not needed for any Yellowroad sign. — Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redcoat sign

Hi MuzikMachine. Not sure if you were aware of File:RedCoatTrail.png when you upload a non-free version of essentially the same logo as File:Red Coat Trail highway shield.png. Their are some minor color difference between the Commons version and the non-free, but the only copyrightable element is the Redcoat imagery and that appears identical or at least close enough to make WP:NFCC#1 a concern. At the same time, it might mean that your version might also be covered under the same OTRS permission email; however, that's somehting I'm totally sure about so I will ask a Commons admin/OTRS volunteer about it. — Marchjuly (talk) 06:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchjuly: Hi Marchjuly, I think File:RedCoatTrail.png photograph of a highway shield along the route that was touched up. I attempted to upload it for the Red Coat Trail article but it was removed as it was considered a lower quality image. The used to be a higher quality, non-free version, but I think it was deleted. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 17:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that there are slight differences bewtween the two, but the Commons file might be deemed sufficient enough for primary identification purposes to preclude any uploading of any non-free files of the sign. WP:NFCC#1 require that when a free equivalent image can be used for the same encyclopedic purpose, then it should be used. It doesn't have to be exactly the same image or exactly same quality; it just has to be good enough to provide the same encyclopedic information.

It's also possible that the OTRS permission of the photo can be extended to also apply to other versions of the sign since the only copyrightable element in both the photo and your version is the Redcoat imagery. The shield outline and text are typically things considered utilitarian or otherwise not eligible for copyright protection, which means they can easily be recreated with a free version of the Redcoat added to them. When I say "easily", I mean by someone with experience in image creation like you typically find at WP:GL or c:COM:GL. It might also even be possible for someone to clean up the Commons' file to make look better, or find a higher resolution version of the photo. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Re:Alberta shields

I use Inkscape for my SVG needs. I wrote up a tutorial on how to make shields a few years ago located at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields task force/Tutorial. Additionally, you're more than welcome to use Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields task force/Requests if you're not comfortable doing it yourself. As far as the copyright status goes, personally, I think we're OK since the designs are too simple for U.S. copyright laws, but I believe the Alberta wordmark is trademarked. It might behoove us to email someone at the Queen's Printer (and equivalent office in each province) for clarification and then forward that on to OTRS. If worse comes to worst, we move the files off of Commons and go from there. I found some guide-sign designs which could be used for {{Jct}} that don't include the Alberta wordmark and are way too simple for copyright protection. ([1] and [2]) –Fredddie ™ 01:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS: let's keep the conversation here. –Fredddie ™

@Fredddie: Thanks for the reply and the links. I was referring to the old Secondary route without the workmark [3], but as you noted it is a pretty simple design. If I wanted a template created, I just submit a request on Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields task force/Requests?
I also have goal of trying to get the BC 5 Yellowhead shield to go on the {{Jct}} template; however, there are copyright issues. I'm guessing the best course of action would be e-mailing the BC Queen's Printer?
Cheers! -- MuzikMachine (talk) 19:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you can make sure they're free, we can make the shields. –Fredddie ™ 00:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Fredddie: I made a blank for the pre-2000 Secondary shield, AB-secondary highway (1970s).svg (based on [4] & [5]). If it looks good, I can start adding numbers on applicable routes.

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Highways in Quebec

I saw your comment on the articles needing translation into English about using Google Translate. If you need someone to check the accuracy of the translation, I could probably help. I'm not a native French speaker, but I was a French Immersion student for several years. Clovermoss (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Clovermoss: Thanks for offering! MuzikMachine (talk) 17:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I'll try to take a look at it. I'm a relatively new editor, but I've gotten links at the Teahouse before about translation and whatnot that I can reference if I have any difficulties. I'll leave a note on the discussion page too about my edits. Clovermoss (talk) 20:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MuzikMachine: I've taken a look at the French Wikipedia article and have double and triple referenced some things in my dictionary for some words that could have different meanings based on context. I'm not completely finished with the translation, but there has been some significant changes from Google Translate, although a good portion of the translated text is quite accurate overall. I have tried to explain the thought process behind my edits on the talk page for the article as I've been going through it. Clovermoss (talk) 22:54, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Do you know how to improve on Boundary Road (Vancouver), especially when one editor is hellbent on deletion and removes big chunks of it then nominates it for AFD? Aerostar3 (talk) 05:45, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Aerostar3: Do you have any insights into the history of Boundary Road? Specifically, any cancelled expansion plans or possible bridge connections into Richmond and beyond? Another idea would be to expand the description and talk about neighbourhoods and notable landmarks. A couple ones I expanded were 97/98/101 Avenue, Edmonton, John Laurie/McKnight Boulevard, and 36 Street E/Métis Trail. Any way to have the article meet WP:NOTE or WP:STREETS? If I get a chance I could do up a Major intersections list.-- MuzikMachine (talk) 17:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just a heads up, Aerostar3 was banned for hounding and harassment. Boundary is definitely not worth trying to save, as it really isn't a major arterial or even notable beyond being on the edge of Vancouver and Burnaby. Sounder Bruce 02:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SounderBruce: Fair enough. I would ask that maybe deleting Boundary Road be reconsidered, it is a major arterial as identified by Translink, though building a case for it being notable might be tricky. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 02:38, 14 May 2019 (UTC) (Edit: Nevermind, I read the deletion talk page and the article/subject really doesn't have anything of note.)[reply]

(edit conflict) I don't think that arterial designations would fly under WP:GNG and can be fairly arbitrary on the part of various government entities. When I stumbled across the (somewhat recent) Vancouver articles, I was pretty shocked to see how poor they were and couldn't see much chance of them developing into anything worthwhile, especially given the lack of enthusiasm there is for local streets at AfD. Sounder Bruce 02:54, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SounderBruce: Vancouver has an overall lack of enthusiasm for most things streets or cars...but that's another topic for another day. :) -- MuzikMachine (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I had a junction list for US 191 in my sandbox forever, I was just wondering if you used it at all. I'm not looking for credit or anything, but now that there's an article I can get rid of it.

Anyway, there's a 2019 Montana Road Log! https://www.mdt.mt.gov/publications/docs/brochures/roadlog.pdf –Fredddie ™ 18:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Fredddie: Thanks for the 2019 Road Log! I tried a quick search and could only find their Arc Webmap, but no .pdf. I had no idea you already had the Junction list that in your Sandbox, I definitely constructed it from scratch. I noticed there's nothing for US Highways in Wyoming, do you know if there's any reason or is it just low on most ppl's priority list? Happy Holidays! -- MuzikMachine (talk) 19:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's a low priority and it's not like there isn't a route log either. Wyoming is pretty, but it's also pretty boring. There's only so much you can say about mountains, grassland, and oil derricks. –Fredddie ™ 20:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Diannaa:, this was a follow-up on a Split/Move suggestion that I put on the Old Strathcona article quite a while ago, where the Blue Mile was better served being referenced in the 2005–06 Edmonton Oilers season as a one-time historical event verses something still relevant to the neighborhood. It took a while to get support (or to be followed up) but I wanted to close the loop on that. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 04:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding various colours to Ontario road junction lists

Have you sought out any consensus before implementing a wide-spread change like this? I'm not a big fan of the route transition (better served by a row that covers the destination and notes column) or the incomplete access (doesn't even link to anything anymore) shading, which doesn't really add anything for the average reader/driver that aren't better covered by the notes.

Also, small aside, but please do not use thekingshighway.ca as a source; it is a self-published source. Use it to figure out what dates or terms to search for to get newspapers or reports, and feel free to add it as an external link, but it is no good for citations (See my failed attempt to make a case for it). - Floydian ^τ _¢ 02:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Floydian: I was trying the Route Transition as an experiment to see what the response would be as MOS:RJL is ambiguous on its use (the other colours are fairly self-explanatory). The definition is "Indicates a transition from one route number to either another route number, or a section without a route number, along a named road" so I thought there could be a case for its application for 17 <--> 417, as the road continues but the number changes. Most other lists use {{Jctint}} at provincial/state boundaries as opposed to {{Jctplace}}, with the exception of when it crosses a waterway. Incomplete (movement/access) interchanges are marked red as per MOS:RJL so that should be included. I'll keep that in mind with thekingshighway.ca. -- MuzikMachine (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, was curious if you'd like me to email you the highway transfer lists (aka the downloads) for 1997/98? I noticed you made Ontario Highway 87 and figured it may be of service. Reply on my talk page please, I don't check my watchlist. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 16:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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