User talk:Soni/Archive 8

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You are back!!!!

I have missed you so so so so so much. Didn't you leave for I said something wrong? Did you?
I feel like Abby Sciuto when Jethro Gibbs retired and he came back... I've seen you erased our page. I will have to tell you things in public. But well, anyways...
YOU are back!! Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I need to know if there is a problem with me and you won't talk to me ever again? Miss Bono [zootalk] 12:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
    • No there's no problem! Its just that I've been terribly busy as of late. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Look, I don't know what you are going throught but, you can count on me for anything you need. You are my friend. Miss Bono [zootalk] 12:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Ok sure :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:56, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Please, don't kick me out of your list of friends. :'( Miss Bono [zootalk] 13:08, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there,

Please explain why you deleted well-sourced material from Ghulam Azam's article lead. [1]. Please engage in discussion on the talk page before further deletions of referenced material.

Many thanks! Aminul802 (talk) 22:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

If you notice carefully, I haven't removed it from the lead. i just rearranged it in the lead for the sake of readablity. The lead of an article is supposed to be a paraphrasing of the whole article, and not a commentary/paragraph of discussion in itself.
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. You did however delete the comment by the presiding judge that lends balance to the lead. What you deleted and did not reintroduce anywhere in the article, even though it was referenced is important: "The judge presiding over his case noted that “There are no allegations that he was physically present at any crime scene. And secondly, there are no allegations that he actively directed the commission of war crimes."
I appreciate your attempt to make the article more readable. Please, however, do not simply revert my edits, as you can inadvertently delete well-sourced material. I will reintroduce the comment of the presiding judge in the lead in summary, and add the full version in the body of the article. Please let me know if this is a problem for you, and if so, please explain why.
Thanks, Aminul802 (talk) 22:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Aminul802 It is a problem. This is because the second line is not required to be in the lead in the article. Unless there are more lines explaining why the judge's statement is particularly significant, the lines do not belong there. If you wish to add that line, please add it somewhere else in the article, and not the lead. The lead is only for statements that are particularly significant for the article. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I think we should seek a second opinion as I feel that it is enormously important when the judge convicting someone of war crimes appears to admit that they had not in fact committed any. This is a serious BLP violation if not cited. This article I cite [2] is relevant in this, and deserves to be read. Aminul802 (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Aminul802 The current version of the sentence added is good. But once again, placing it on the first paragraph is not appropriate, as that paragraph is kept to describe and identify the person. The later paragraphs in the lead talk about his trial, and placing your added sentence there will make much more sense, especially to retain the tone of the article. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Sure, that seems reasonable. Thanks. Aminul802 (talk) 22:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


Welcome back, Soni. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Tq :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: Declining AfCs

Thanks. I should be declining more of those that are more notability issues than formatting issues (I'm more looking on notability, actually). And, anyways, welcome back! Where have you really been? みんな空の下 (トーク) 18:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Minna Sora no Shita, as reviewers we should be looking forward to make sure the article does not have any significant problems at all. The best way for that is to take the "MOST SIGNIFICANT" problem that the article has, and then see if it can be easily recitified or not. If yes, we solve it ourselves and see for other problems. If no, we decline it using "THAT" (Most significant) rationale ONLY.
In this case, if you look at the article, it was rejected right after I undid your decline for "references". Now that was a much more significant problem, and enough for a decline.
I had been on a retirement/wikibreak for some time now. :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Soni. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Dusti*Let's talk!* 03:44, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

A minor change to DRN

Hi there, you're getting this message as you are involved in a case at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard which is currently open. Today DRN has undergone a big move resulting in individual cases on subpages as opposed to all the content on one page. This is to inform you that your case is now back on the DRN board and you will be able to 'watch' the subpage it's located on. Thanks, Cabe6403 (TalkSign) 13:22, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Brigitta Boccoli

Hi TheOriginalSoni, how are you? Too hot in Italy....

I made this new page, she is the sister of the actress Benedicta. And she is wonderful as her sister, but I've no pictures of her, sorry.

I ask 5 minutes of your precious help to read this page if I wrote some mistake in my poor English. Thank you for your help.


Rei Momo (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Rei Momo (talk) 08:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG I didn't see that you've come back. A very very very very.........very big welcome back to you. Pratyya (Hello!) 07:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back!

A slightly belated welcome back, as we've already interacted outside of this forum, but a welcome back nonetheless. You've been there to help me whenever I needed it (or didn't know that I needed it), and you've been a wonderful Wikipedian in general. WP is better off with you here. Thanks. theonesean 15:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Victim identification

Hello again. It is good to see the users have put a valid argument. Although it can't be proved completely whether the father granted or did not grant permission. But still since your source seems reliable I'm thinking of maybe letting this case go. However there is still one major hitch. You and other users say if the victim or the family does not want to reveal the victim's name it can't be included on Wikipedia. However till now I haven't been able to find anything that confirms this statement. If such a policy does indeed exist then you'll be able to easily provide a case. If you can provide proof that such a policy does exist then I too will favor not including the victim's name. If you do have a proof then please provide it on yours or my talk page. Thank you. TransVannian (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

TransVannian, the relevant overriding policy is Biographies of living people, which applies to every article whether or not it is overtly a biography and also to every user page and every talk page on Wikipedia without exception. It applies to the families of deceased victims and to accused but not convicted suspects. The specific section applicable here is WP:AVOIDVICTIM. We are required to take every precaution to avoid the additional victimization of crime victims and their families. In most cases, the best application of tbis policy is to avoid mentioning the name of a rape victim, unless there are clearcut reasons to do so. You earlier argued that there would no basis for removing a date of birth from an article. This is also incorrect, and reasons for doing so are explained at WP:DOB, another subsection of the all-important BLP policy. Please familiarize yourself with this policy. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:08, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

you OK Soni?

I saw the situation on WorldTraveller101 and that you're planning to take a break and just wanted to say that I hope that you're okay. I've also sent you an off-wiki matter E-Mail. Soooo

Hello, Soni. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Have a good one my IRC compiling companion. MM (Report findings) (Past espionage) 19:50, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users

Sorry I missed the conversation...I came into it about 45 minutes late. It seemed that it was over. But, what I noticed was that I could not leave a message or converse with those present. Did I miss some important instruction before signing in? It was my first visit to IRC. I think I was in the right room but no one could "hear" me. TRA! ```Buster Seven Talk 17:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I made the IRC connection via the invitation. no nick was used...just Buster7. I only stayed a minute because the room seemed empty. No problem, I just want to prepare and know the ropes for the next time. ```Buster Seven Talk 19:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
"[17:32] Join: Buster7 [*****586@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.80.***.***]" and the meeting ran from 16:00 - 17:00. Apparently you showed up 32 minutes after the meeting had ended and moved to #wikipedia-snuggle connect for the after meeting. There is almost always someone in the -snuggle channel, feel free to pop in any time. :) Technical 13 (talk) 21:31, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Buster, Snuggle is a new tool that Epochfail made which helps make it a lot easier for us experienced folk to find, welcome and help newer editors. If you go to the snuggle link, you'll find the interface easy to work with. The help bar at the top right should guide you.
Try it out and let us know what you think. If you have any questions or problems, you can always ask T13 or epochfail.
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement - 22 July 2013 to 28 July 2013

posted by Northamerica1000(talk) 10:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added an opt-in section for those interested in receiving TAFI notifications on the project's main page, located here. Also, a revised notification template has been created, located at Template:TAFI weekly selections notice. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added your name to User:TheOriginalSoni/languages


I wanted to inform you that I'm creating a list of foreign language speaking editors, so that others find it much more easier to locate editors who speak a given language. It should be particularly useful to help deal with ESL editors and to help translate sources in other languages.

I've added your name to the list, showing you as active and willing to help with translations. I hope you don't mind this addition. Please feel free to make any changes you like to this list, as well as use this list for any purposes required. :)


TheOriginalSoni (talk) 03:56, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

My second language is French (oui je suis parles fráncais) so if you don't mind I added myself to the list,feel free to remove my name. :) Prabash.Akmeemana 11:59, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

ESL - Reply

Hi there SONI, AL from Portugal "here",

humbled by the honour you bestowed upon me, my wikifriend. Sure thing, "list away", i will help whenever the occasion arises.

Happy weekend, keep it up --AL (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


I think you forgot the Bengali.--Pratyya (Hello!) 13:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK-Good Article Request for Comment

This week's articles for improvement

Robin Hood and Little John, by Louis Rhead 1912.png

A 1912 illustration of Robin Hood and Little John

Hello, TheOriginalSoni:

The following are WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selections.

Posted by: Northamerica1000(talk) 00:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Verification vs Consensus

Hello OriginalSoni. At DRN you recently said that consensus is more important than verification and which would mean even correct and verifiable edits can be removed by consensus. However I have never seen this rule anywhere that consensus can even remove verifiable and significant content. Not only that the info.of the name os very significant. If such a thing does exist than it should have been written somewhere in Wikipedia policies. If it can be proved such a thing does exist then I'm ready to retract my claims completely and even ready to apologize. That is if there is such a rule anywhere on Wikipedia that a consensus can stop verifable and significant content from being added. I've asked users multiple times to give a proof for this statement however they haven't. The unverifiability of this rule or proof is the reason I'm still continuing the discussion. TransVannian (talk) 04:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It certainly does exist as Wikipedia policy: Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. There are all sorts of situations where exclusion of correct information is needed. Consider the article on Presidency of Barack Obama. Would it be appropriate to go on and on about where the Obamas have eaten, even though that info is covered by reputable sources like the Washington Post? Of course not. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 05:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually I should say you're comparing two things of very different amount of importance here. How can you compare the name of a rape victim to places where the Obamas have eaten. The name of the victim is a very significant and important information while the places where Obamas have eaten is insignificant. Also the policy which you have recently linked to in the above comment does not say anywhere A consensus can stop reliable and significant content from being added. I already know that insignificant content can be removed by consensus but significant verifable cannot. For example, no consensus can remove the D.O.B. from.biographical article of a person. Again, please note the word significant here. You still haven't been able to prove that consensus can stop the name from being added in the article and thus my case is still completely valid. TransVannian (talk) 06:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
The point I Jethrobot was making was that even though the material may be significant OR verifiable, it may NOT be added because of commmon sense and/or discussions. I do not say it is not significant enough, just that it is not necessary to be added to the article.
Please also see the following message from the Talk page of the article -
You say that every other article uses the names of the people involved, but Bitti Mohanty, Ajmer rape case, Jhabua nuns rape case, Jalgaon rape case, and Vachathi case don't name the rape victims. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)I would say that Editor's WhatamIdoings Common Sense stance is a community stance. There is participant consensus and then there is community consensus. Understanding and appreciating the difference between a consensus of those participating in a discussion, and what community consensus is important. Wikipedia editors have the duty to determine consensus by evaluating the arguments in terms of how well they are based in policy (which reflects community consensus), rather than by determining what, if anything, the consensus of those who happen to be participating is, as reflected at Wikipedia:Closing_discussions#Consensus.
Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument, and underlying policy (if any). Arguments that contradict policy, are based on opinion rather than fact, or are logically fallacious, are frequently discounted. Consensus cannot over-rule policy. ```Buster Seven Talk 17:30, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Consensus does not override policy as policy is supposedly the consensus of everyone in Wikipedia compared to a smaller local consensus no? (talk) 10:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I encountered the same problem with Prosecution of Marte Dalelv and THE One Total Home Experience. Normally we omit the names of non-notable BLPs out of respect for that person, but editors kept insisting on including it and I just wasn't interested in fighting it. Isn't this covered by our BLP policy? CorporateM (Talk) 00:28, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

TAFI in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on Today's Articles For Improvement for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 02:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I would love to be adopted.Evildoer187 (talk) 07:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good. I will get back to you later. I need to withdraw from Wiki for a while.Evildoer187 (talk) 14:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


Prabash and I need some help. Can you help us? Miss Bono [zootalk] 14:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Moss Bono Don't ask to ask, just ask. :) Ask exactly what help you need, and hopefully I should reply in a few days :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 10:22, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
We arethinking about to take Vertigo Tour article into GA, but Prabash thinks we have more hands in the business, and as you know what to do, I am asking you. Miss Bono [zootalk] 12:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Sorry i dont understand your question. Can you please rephrase. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Oh... my shitty English is attacking again. I was thinking about taking Vertigo Tour into GA-Class. And I asked Prabash for help, so, he told me he was going to help me but that it would be helpful to ask somebody else for a helping hand. So, though about you! Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:34, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Laura, I havent forgotten you and I am not ignoring you. I am just not very free, and am waiting for you to have access to email so I can respond to that mail.
Your Wikifriend (talk) 09:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Soni. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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AutomaticStrikeout  ?  23:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

6 months up..


This is Ajayupai95 here. I just wanted you to know that my 6 months are up and I would like to get back on Wikipedia. Can you please help me to do so, because my account doesn't even allow me to make edits even on my Talkpage. Thanks a lot for everything that you have done! Please help me this one time as well! :)

Regards, Ajayupai95 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello Ajay,
The next step for you is to go to #wikipedia-en-unblock connect and tell the details about yourself (What your username is, what other usernames you've used, how long have you been away from everything on Wikipedia) and the fact that you are requesting an unblock under Wikipedia:Standard offer. Also, you'll not be unblocked unless you decide to use only one account from now on.
Also, you'll not be unblocked unless it have been atleast 6 months since you last edited Wikipedia using any account or IP. If I remember, User:TheWikimon was blocked in April, and it is August; which still leaves atleast 2 months before you can request for a WP:SO (Assuming you didn't edit Wikipedia after that). Unless you are completely honest with the admins there at the channel I linked you to, it is very likely you will be not unblocked for six more months from now, which brings your date to February 2014, not October 2013. So I suggest you be very true in everything you say to them.
Hoping to see you unblocked and legally back to editing soon,
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

STiki emergency


I miss you around :'( Miss Bono [zootalk] 18:51, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


Did I do this correctly? AutomaticStrikeout  ?  16:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

AS Yes, you did everything correctly. But for some reason, {{clear}} also seemed to be substed when you did the updation. I do not remember the exact Wikicode for doing that, but could you ask someone proficient with templates to look into this, and see how the Project main page template can be altered so it doesn't include the clear part whenever substed.
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
@Technical 13: Could you help? Automatic 13:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


...for the rescues at The Hall of Fame...and good luck at school! ```Buster Seven Talk 21:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement

Robin Hood and Little John, by Louis Rhead 1912.png

A 1912 illustration of Robin Hood and Little John

Hello, TheOriginalSoni:

The following are WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selections.

Posted by: Northamerica1000(talk) 06:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Currency converter

Hi there, sorry for the delay in letting you know, but I stopped working on it. It's simply too complex once you start thinking about historic rates. And basically all the use-cases so far have been historic in one way or other. Income, revenue, the cost of something and so on is always based on a figure given at one specific time. The only use-cases I've managed to come up with so far where we don't deal with historic rates in any way shape or form is a plain listing of currencies, where the figures aren't actually used for anything else than to indicate how much 100 NOK is in USD. And as far as I can tell, the potential for using such a template wrong is just too big.

Historic rates are a real issue here; if I had 1000 USD in 1950 and want to convert to NOK, how do I do it. Do I convert the 1950-USD to 1950-NOK, and then calculate to 2013-NOK based on inflation, or do I calculate the 1950-USD to 2013-USD and then to 2013-NOK? My guess is the first option, but that'll also require historic rates _and_ historic inflation rates for all countries. Which makes everything even more complex.

In addition, there is also a question of server-load on the toolserver which would host such a tool. The CPU-cost of converting a single currency isn't that large, but multiply by a thousand (or more) and you're looking at some potential issues when it comes to hardware and capacity. There is also a cost issue when we want to get the historic rates for all currencies, and even if we get the whole shebang the service I used offered, we're still stuck with rates no earlier than 1946 (if I remember correctly).

I'll be happy to create a tool for doing conversions, but someone else has to figure out the exact use cases and the constraints it'll have to work with. The tool itself is likely to be fairly easy to create, but it does require quite a lot of source-material and a good plan before it can be created. I'll be on IRC sometime tomorrow around 8am-12am (CET) if you want to talk a little further on it. Bjelleklang - talk 20:58, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand the concerns behind why you stopped working on that. I agree that dealing with a historic database is simply not feasible, and it causes a lot of issues.
However, I myself did think that we would not be using it for historic cases. There are plenty of places currently which use a real-time estimate of the currency, and not a historic one (for example the GDP of a country, or the turnout of an organisation, or even the expected cost of a under-construction building). While there may not be that many of the uses for a current case, I still think it could be plenty of hundreds of pages to be of some real use for a basic currency conversion.
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 03:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
(Talk page stalker). This sounds really interesting (and yeah, also really complex). I gather this is something that would take the functionality of {{Inflation}} but would make it able to compare across and between different currencies at the same time?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for invitation!

Please help me for "Akçay, İnebolu" issues. Thanks in advance... — Preceding unsigned comment added by ELocked (talkcontribs) 21:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey ELocked. I noticed your post here. I take it that maybe the issue is the messages you saw that were added at the top of the article stating that it is an "orphan" (because no other articles link to it) and that it lacks inline citations. I have taken care of the second issue. Here's the edit, in which I made the reference you used into an inline citation (after I looked at it using Google Translate). I also removed that part of the message at the top about that problem. Regarding it being an orphan, that's a tough one because it does not look like there are any other articles presently on Wikipedia that mention this small village that we could link to it from. I am not sure though, because we have some article on other locations in Turkey, also called Akçay, such as Akçay, Elmalı and I'm not sure all other articles using " Akçay" aren't referring to this one. It won't take care of that issue, but here's an idea: maybe you can expand the content using the Turkish Wikipedia's article on it, tr:Akçay, İnebolu? Meanwhile, for future questions you can ask directly at the Teahouse, at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:25, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Putain de camion (song)

Hi TheOriginalSoni, how are you? Here summer is ending...

I made this new page now, I ask 5-6 minutes of your time to see if I wrote well and to correct my mistakes, please. It's a song I like too much.

Thanks a lot for your help

Rei Momo (talk) 21:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

THANK YOUUUUUUUUUU !!! Rei Momo (talk) 10:03, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Dennis Toeppen for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Dennis Toeppen is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Toeppen until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. CorporateM (Talk) 14:14, 17 September 2013 (UTC)