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PointCrow submission

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Point_Crow — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkRepulser8340 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Correct me if I am wrong wouldn't this fall under the guidelines for entertainer and has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. As stated in the in the world record and challenges section and World record section it states that he has been the first person to do multiple difficult challenges for the first time in the games history. Breath of the Wild has sold 19 million copies and he has two rankings in two competitive categories. To put the challenge in perspective if you have or haven't played any video games, in order to defeat the game with a stick took nearly 16 hours of just doing a boss fight in game and using a new glitch being on of the first to show of the duplication trick in breath of the wild. In comparison to a real world event the glitch could be electricity and the run would be the light bulb. Electricity by itself is useful, but Point Crow came up with a new way to use this to create a challenge never done before making vast strives towards bigger and better runs in breath of the wild. If I am incorrect it would be helpful if you could help me by pointing me in the right direction to help fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkRepulser8340 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

DarkRepulser8340, There's been speed runs and game challenges done on literally tens of thousands of different games. There's nothing particularly unique or innovative about that. We also would need to see significant coverage of the subject for a broader audience. A subject that is covered only in video game magazines and sources wouldn't typically be considered notable. For example Billy Mitchell (gamer) is considered notable due to coverage of the subject in broad audience publications like Life Magazine. Sulfurboy (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Association of International Certified Professional Accountants

Hello. Thank you for the review. I have updated my information and will update the third-party references before resubmitting. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllisonFanney (talk • contribs) 19:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

A big list of sock accounts and Donatella Di Cesare

User:Sulfurboy, I discovered that you have rejected a page for Donatella Di Cesare with exact same text on (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Donaester). Another sock account was User:Frambal/sandbox, now the page with exact same content is now live on Donatella Di Cesare by another sock. We should work on something to stop this disruptions. 157.37.251.194 (talk) 20:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding one more https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Christian_Mantuano 157.37.251.194 (talk) 21:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Teri Mitti

On 23 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Teri Mitti, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Manoj Muntashir originally wrote "Teri Mitti" as a tribute to soldiers, then wrote a reprise as a tribute to healthcare workers during the COVID-19 pandemic in India? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Teri Mitti. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Teri Mitti), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Wug·a·po·des​ 23:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC) 00:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sulfurboy

I recently submitted an article about Ritson Graham but it was declined because there wasn't any credible source.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ritson_Graham I have since then updated it and added a newspaper article as a source. Please give it a read and let me know. Thank you so much in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahadmasood01 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Question

Please can you help me with source that not secondary independent source? Even if there is primary independent source they are not up to 20% of the secondary independent source. All the references I used are not just mention but there is full coverage and information regarding the above living Article. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 05:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Abbas Kwarbai, No. And you need to properly disclose your relationship with the subjects you are writing about. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Accidental Mistake on Third Chapter Article

Hi Sulfurboy, I received your review on the Third Chapter Draft, I actually had this in one of my drafts on my computer but accidentally didn't send the right one through with the client requirement. As you asked for a response, I'm now informing you that I will be updating this requirement now, however, the code you gave me is coming up incorrect in my preview edit. Is there another code. Thank you & Cheers, Sulfurboy (--Willl Kendalll (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)Will Kendall, 24/06/2020)

(talk page stalker) @Willl Kendalll: Instead of the wikitext "{{tlc|paid|2=user=Willl Kendalll|3=employer=<var>InsertName</var>|4=client=<var>InsertName</var>}}, you should be trying to use the wikitext {{paid|user=Willl Kendalll|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}.   — Jeff G. ツ 09:32, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitted article

Well done sir, please help me in reviewing the Article if it is notable. Thanks Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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Draft: Abdullahi Dauda Belel Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 15:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Travel Industry Insights

A tag has been placed on User:Travel Industry Insights requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Blank userpage, with nothing useful in its history.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. —Unforgettableid (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Disclosed paid editor moved draft to articlespace without AfC

Hi there,

The new article CloudApp was moved to draftspace by you in May, with you saying it needed to go through the AfC process. That same week an editor moved it back to articlespace without submitting it through AfC. It doesn't seem improved much from your original comments, so I thought I would bring it to your attention. (Especially since I'm not sure what the usual best practices are in these cases, and I'm not a new page patroller)

Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Whisperjanes, Nothing much can be done other than nominating it for deletion or applying appropriate tags. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! - Whisperjanes (talk) 23:37, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

No, I have paid me to contribute his/her biography in Wikipedia. I just feel worthy to upload Gordon Tredgold biography. Nonetheless, Gordon Tredgold don't even know me much less to pay me. So, I think that's the best thing I can say about this issue. So, I don't if my statement is clearly understood. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I take Gordon Tredgold biography purposely because he has much independent secondary source that talked about him. I only noticed that I have make my draft inform of promotional rather than normal Wikipedia biography article Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 23:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

review please

hello User:Sulfurboy, Thank you, . Draft Meets the standards, and I have modified the references And she has enough sources. Draft rejected before adding sources to it. tour guide and actor in Egypt , Trusted sources , and have Fame And sources more than Ali Mansur for example. I hope you look again, and We want to accept articles, and Thank you very much. --Mohamed Omar 3 (talk) 07:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Richard J. Eden

Hi User:Sulfurboy. Thanks for reading Draft:Richard J. Eden and advising on how to proceed towards acceptance. I have put questions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk as you suggest.

Bernardboase 17:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

No advice yet from AfC Help desk. I have, however, made some improvements to the references and wonder whether you would look again at the draft in case it might now be eligible for AfC submission. Grateful your advice.

Bernardboase 12:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Abdullahi Dauda Belel

Please sir, help me in accessing the above subject. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 05:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

General Question on the Review Process

Dear Sulfurboy,

When I had resubmitted my article, there were around 1400 pending submissions. It has risen over 2200 as I write this. While I understand that the process can take 6 weeks or more (which is only fair), I request you to kindly explain in general how exactly does this process work if the articles are not reviewed in any specific order? Does this by any chance mean that the pending articles keep adding up and my article never gets reviewed under this "no specific order" system? Nipman (talk) 06:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Nipman, People work from the back and the front. No drafts are taking longer than six weeks to be reviewed, most are getting reviewed before then. Please be patient. Sulfurboy (talk) 06:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Sulfurboy, Thank you so much for explaining the process. It's much appreciated. Nipman (talk) 08:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi. I am sorry for bothering you but because I am not familiar with the English Wikipedia's way of doing things I think it's better to notify someone more capable than me. This article Research stations in Antarctica is being vandalized by User:Kjkeh2015.--Ptyz314 (talk) 08:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to voice opinion

Hello,

Just sending you an invite to vote on this interesting discussion about the deletion of this page since you voted on the first deleted of this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_Macedonian_Diaspora

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_Macedonian_Diaspora_(2nd_nomination)

--James Richards (talk) 05:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Article Edited, Citations added, Info Box Populated and rectified

Good day Sir, My Draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hatim_and_Dokey was recently declined by you. I made the necessary changes and I would like a progress report on the review. Have a Blessed Day — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandlaofficial (talk • contribs) 06:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Please verify Nini Amerlise

Please verify Nini Amerlise.

I also have been and will be editting Japanese version. Could help me to link with this page, too? (Shoonsk8 (talk) 19:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Shoon Akagi)

Brad Chase - Businessman

Chris you are correct that some of the mentions are not solely about Mr. Chase but others including the front page WSJ article when he left Microsoft, AD Age when he was named a top 100 marketing person, Fortune which as all about his testimony in the DOJ case and others are indeed focused on Mr. Chase. Given that I respectfully disagree with the characterization of "promotional nonsense." Given the facts your comment seems inconsistent with the guidelines to be polite, assume good faith and welcoming to new users. I am pretty new at this and am trying.

I would love some advice to address your concerns. Mr. Chase is one of the most well known Microsoft executives in its history. He will be one of the most notable former Microsoft executives on Wikipedia if approval is granted. He led the marketing of arguably the most famous software product of all time. And the marketing was groundbreaking and including a famous deal with the Rolling Stones. He was a senior executive at one of the most well known companies in the world on many of its most famous products. He was a key witness in the famous anti-trust case against Microsoft. He has won awards for his work. He now has written a book. He meets the notability guidelines. Side note for fun is that the current CEO of Microsoft once worked for Brad.

But the challenge is that most of the references (for example lots of magazine and newspaper articles) are not available on the web. Most of his Microsoft career was before the web existed or was a big deal and so I did my best with what I could find to reference it. There are a few things I could add. For example, I could add NY Times stories like this one https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1995/07/31/issue.html (starts on the front page A1, goes to D1 and finishes D4-D6). Mr. Chase is quoted many times including on the innovation of his marketing strategy. I was afraid that was too detailed. Similarly he has been a guest on numerous recent podcasts but, ironically, I was afraid these would be considered to promotional.

Your suggestions and advice is appreciated. Thank you Phillipbach33 (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC) 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillipbach33 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Unknown Dates

Despite numerous lengthy online research sessions, I remain unable to locate any information about the location of Dr. Herman's birth, when he first practiced medicine, or the year of his marriage. In order to complete the draft, I entered approximate dates in the infobox regarding these missing facts as a means of continuing to make progress and in hopes that this information will later become available.

  1. Since not all information can be definitively determined or referenced, how should the fact that a date, location, or other fact is currently unknown be correctly represented or coded in the infobox (or anywhere else on a page)?



Thanks again.

--Objective Operator (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

WackoWiki

Hi. I note you declined Draft:WackoWiki at AfC review on 31 May as lacking notability. The creator has recently moved it to mainspace as WackoWiki with little changed. What's the procedure in cases like this? Regards. --John B123 (talk) 23:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

John B123, Not notable at all. And there sure isn't anything new to establish notability since the last AfD. It also is riddled with tone and POV issues. It would be a clear delete again via AfD imo. However, I'll give the author a benefit of a doubt and just draftify it. If it's moved to mainspace again, the only option left really is just to run it through AfD again. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

"Not notable at all." That is a very undifferentiated statement compared with other articles you declined approvement for not being "notable". Hopefully I will find some more benevolent reviewers/administrators soon.--EoNy (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

I doubt WP:OTHERPARENT will work. You need to show Wikipedia:Notability --John B123 (talk) 15:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Guidance before submitting a page for review

This is Soumyajit Bhar, a Ph.D. scholar at ATREE, Bangalore, under the supervision of Dr. Sharachchandra Lele. I, along with a few of his other Ph.D. scholars, Ms. Roshni Kutty and Mr. Amit John Kurien have decided independently to create a Wikipedia page for Dr. Lele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bharsoumyajit88/sandbox). We are aware that there is a mild conflict of interest, but we have put together a page based on the materials available on him in various publicly-verifiable sources. Dr. Lele is a globally renowned scholar in the field of environmental studies and he meets the first criterion of notability for academics, because their papers have been cited more than 6000 times and his World Development paper is in the top 10 most cited papers in the journal.

I have the following questions/guidance:

1. Being new to Wikipedia, I have mistakenly created a duplicate page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sharachchandra_Lele). I want guidance on how to delete this. I want to keep the sandbox one.

2. Please help me resolve the error in the #26 reference.

3. I have addressed all the comments given after the last submission to the best of my abilities. Please let me know if there is any further scope for me improve it.

4. I want some guidance on where to mention the declaration of this mild conflict of interest while I am submitting an article for review. May I include this at the beginning of the article itself?

Awaiting your response. Thanks in advance.

with regards, Soumyajit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharsoumyajit88 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:LostGamer

I ain't harassment. But I warn you, many people are disappointed because of your denied approval of submission. Most of all, people came angry and destroying the computer or mobile because I know there was only the beginner and they wasted what they did. So please, give them and me the chance to approve again our articles. I read it last April, this year 2020. I understand your messages but again, I'm the beginner of this creating article. But you don't know that I want to be a entertainer. And the reliable sources that I put in my article are true and verified. So relax and hope you understand this latest message.

I must watch 24 hours, I must see. Thank you ;)

LostGamer.05 (talk) 11:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Follow up

I think I made it clear before i'm not getting paid for this. I'm just helping Niko in creating this page since he doesn't know how do it. If this is a problem I will ask Niko to create his on page. But no yet again AM NOT PAID FOR THIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAKANYC (talk • contribs) 22:18, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

ANI Discussion

There’s a discussion at WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#serious issue with another user that may involve you. Gleeanon409 (talk) 02:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Moving draft articles from user sandboxes or other user pages to Draft space

Hi! I do outreach work and training of new users and I have noticed you are moving user sandboxes and other user drafts to the Drafts namespce with the edit summary "the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions (DFY)". I am wondering why you are doing this. As an AfC reviewer myself, I am not sure there is any such policy. And in any case, new users aren't required to use AfC (once they are autoconfirmed) and new users in training programs and other outreach programs won't usually use AfC as there are experienced Wikipedians involved to advise them on their first new article (and we often directly move those new articles to main space or supervise them doing it themselves). This is not to say that AfC does not have an important role to play, but it's not the only path to new articles.

Wikipedia:User pages says "User pages are mainly for interpersonal discussion, notices, testing and drafts (see: Sandboxes)", supported by Help:Userspace draft which says "Userspace drafts are distinct from drafts located in WP:Draftspace" and Wikipedia:Drafts says "If you are logged in, creating a Draft version first is optional. Editors may instead choose to create draft pages in their userspace, or new articles directly in mainspace after the user has become autoconfirmed or confirmed." Wikipedia:User pages#Editing of other editors' user and user talk pages says "In general, one should avoid substantially editing another's user and user talk pages, except when it is likely edits are expected and/or will be helpful".

There is a policy difference between User: drafts and Draft: drafts. As it says in Wikipedia:Drafts "Anyone, including users who are not logged in, may create and edit drafts" whereas the policy on User is that generally we avoid editing user pages (other than where there are major policy violations occurring). By moving content from User user space to Draft space it impacts on new users who are experimenting and trying to get the hang of editing. They may or may not be preparing a draft, they may just be practising. Moving their work off to Draft space confuses them, makes them think they have done something wrong, and potentially frightens them off (very easy to do unfortunately, see WP:BITE). And having others editing their work before they were ready for it (which is allowed in Drafts) also upsets them. Similarly content in User space can live forever while Drafts get removed after 6 months (although this is less of an issue as a new user gone for 6 months is generally a new user lost forever anyway).

I am not suggesting you are doing this with anything but good intentions but it seems to be based on a misunderstanding of the roles of the User and Draft namespaces and the role of AfC. If there is some new policy in place that I am unaware of, please point me to it. Kerry (talk) 04:58, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Kerry Raymond, This has been SOP for quite sometime and is a process built into the AfC script itself. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:04, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I use the AfC script too but I don't see where it is documented as SOP and why we would be doing something in the AfC script contrary to the guidelines on these two name spaces. Kerry (talk) 05:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Kerry Raymond, That's a question probably better suited for the AfC project talk page. I doubt that part of script was put in place without consensus, but who knows. It's something I'll continue doing though. Been doing it that way for years and never have had someone until now say it's contrary to any guidelines. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
As stated at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Helper script it says at the top "Warning: You take full responsibility for any action you perform using the Articles for Creation Helper Script. You must understand Wikipedia policies and use this tool within these policies, or risk being blocked from editing." The only thing I can see that mentions moving things from User space to Draft space is in WP:AfC#Submissions in other namespace which says "Pending submissions that have been created in userspace (including sandboxes) should be moved to the preferred AfC namespace." The key word here is "pending", that is, the user has done something (typically added the template to submit for review) to indicate their work is a pending submission. Such content generally appears in Category:Pending AfC submissions in userspace from where it is OK to move it to Draft. Kerry (talk) 07:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Kerry Raymond, Not sure what you're trying to get at. I've only ever moved pending submissions. Sulfurboy (talk) 07:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
If that is so, then all is fine and my apologies to you. I was getting feedback of sandbox content moving mysteriously into Draft and your username was mentioned. It may be that they followed some advice they saw somewhere on-wiki and added the AfC submission template not knowing what that meant and were surprised/unhappy by what (inexplicably to them) happened as a result. Kerry (talk) 08:43, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Kerry Raymond, So you came to my page and blasted me about violating guidelines, but you didn't actually look into if I was violating those guidelines? Good grief... Sulfurboy (talk) 12:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Fair comment. And I do apologise. Kerry (talk) 21:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
fwiw, I also do as Sulfurboy does. I have also occasionally moved a userspace draft that I thought was completely ready, if the editor was no longer active here. DGG ( talk ) 20:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Questions

Disclosure

My interest in creating this page is that Dr. Herman literally saved the lives of countless people with rare, unusual, and difficult to diagnose and treat diseases. Furthermore, Bob Herman was probably the most amazing, brilliant, humble, kind, wise, and wonderful person I have ever met. I wanted to honor his memory by ensuring that it would be more widely accessible than a highly technical tome on theoretical biology resting in various, more or less randomized university library stacks.

However, it would appear that potential conflicts of interest arise in virtually any situation, and that reporting them is all but essential.

I know of Dr. Herman (and eventually came to know him personally albeit remotely in the professional environment) because I was his patient, and a subject of rather invasive inpatient human research at the Letterman Army Institute of Research over a period of about nine months. Although I understand the need for disclosure, I wonder what level of disclosure is appropriate in such cases.

  1. Should I disclose the fact that I was Dr. Herman's patient - and how much information should be provided regarding our physician patient relationship (if any)?
  3. Please also note that I have not yet determined the general mechanism (or the on page appearance) of correct disclosure of potential conflict of interest - even now after various online searches and visiting numerous pages purporting to explain conflict of interest disclosures or be examples of correct disclosure (such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#How_to_disclose_a_COI and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Steve_Jobs&diff=prev&oldid=719164069 ).
Looking in here, you need only say you had a non-commercial COI,. There is no requirement is such cases to give details, and, in fact, it's better not to give personal details of this sort on WP. DGG ( talk ) 20:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
and, taking a look at it, I accepted the article. DGG ( talk ) 20:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Richard Gaskin and COI

When you tagged this as a draft, did you have anything particular in mind, please? If it is COI it woudl be good to get to the bottom of it with one of the connected contributor templates. If it turns out not to be it would be good to remove the tag. Fiddle Faddle 07:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)


afc standard

I have just looked through all the 8000 or so 5-6 month afcs during the past month, to see what could be rescued.

You declined Heinrich Bedford-Strohm a few months ago; I've just accepted it, because all bishops are normally considered notable. DGG ( talk ) 20:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I also accepted. [[]:Les Mathurins (acrobatic act)]], thaty ou had also declined a few months ago; it probably would be considered notable. The standard for AfC is just that the article probably would be conasdiered acceptable at AfD, not that would certainly be considered notable. Most of us interpret "probably" somewhere between 66%and 80%. Personally, I use a guess of 75%, but only a few percent of the articles I have accepted have ever ben challenged, and very few deleted, except on a few occasions for copyvio that I have missed.

If you decide to challenge any of my acceptances at AfD, and you certainly are entitled to do so --only the community can settle disagreements over acceptability-- , I just ask that you notify me on my talk page when you nominate them. DGG ( talk ) 17:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

my comments

I apologize if I'm notifying you redundantly; Irecognize that I'm working primarily with material 5 months old, and that you probably understand most of these points by now. DGG ( talk ) 03:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Roam (Musician)

Thanks for the feedback on that musician article I was writing. I took it to heart and I've done a lot to clean it up. Hope you or someone else gets to take a look at it after the backlog is cleared. Keep up the great work

Tiddlewinker (talk) 21:14, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Re-evaluate publication of the "Carmen Harra" page

Hello, Sulfurboy! I am writing to kindly ask you to re-evaluate publication of the "Carmen Harra" page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Carmen_Harra . I built this page step by step over the course of six months, during which time I received your and MurielMary's valuable guidance. In the end, 1292simon decided unilaterally that the page was a "promotional article" without arguing his point of view in any way. MurielMary mentioned that she does not share the same opinion about the page being a promotional article. She stated, "I disagree, I don't think this article is promotional. It's actually very factual and objective. However, I don't think that the draft shows sufficient notability for Harra to have an article on WP. Writing books and appearing on TV/radio shows doesn't equal notability." I can understand that we are all subjective but I hope I am not dealing with a case of gender discrimination. I checked the sources that certify notability and I've studied Wikipedia's criteria to publish a page dedicated to a public person. Carmen Harra meets this criteria and I invite you to check as well. Here are some mentions of the name "Carmen Harra" in the databases indicated by Wikipedia to check notability: 1. The New York Times (NYT): "Most editors consider The New York Times generally reliable. WP:RSOPINION should be used to evaluate opinion columns, while WP:NEWSBLOG should be used for the blogs on The New York Times's website. The 2018 RfC cites WP:MEDPOP to establish that popular press sources such as The New York Times should generally not be used to support medical claims." https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/27/magazine/style-change-your-life-boost-your-aura.html 2. Bloomberg (Bloomberg News, Bloomberg Businessweek): "Bloomberg publications, including Bloomberg News and Bloomberg Businessweek, are considered generally reliable for news and business topics. See also: Bloomberg profiles." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2006-06-18/books-that-matter 3. Fox News: "FOX News was determined by consensus to be generally reliable per WP:NEWSORG." https://radio.foxnews.com/2016/08/19/how-many-types-of-relationships-are-there/ https://radio.foxnews.com/2016/05/20/how-to-know-if-you-and-your-partner-are-a-perfect-match/ 4. Santa Cruz Sentinel, Volume 148, Number 357, 22 December 2004, Page 17: "Carmen Harra's Jewelry" show at QVC. Indeed, Carmen Harra had her own jewelry line at QVC. https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SCS20041222.1.17&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN-carmen+harra-------1 5. The Hollywood Reporter (THR) "There is consensus that The Hollywood Reporter is generally reliable for entertainment-related topics, including its articles and reviews on film, TV and music, as well as its box office figures." https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/why-psychics-are-new-have-520837 6. http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2006225405/2016-06-17/ed-1/seq-21.pdf In addition, for the correct evaluation of the page, keep in mind the following aspects: 1. Carmen Harra has written six books that are found in the Library of the American Congress. 2. Carmen Harra appears in the Central American press, in newspapers such as the New York Post, and on television stations such as NBC New York and CBS Los Angeles. 3. Carmen Harra currently hosts her own radio show on an American station named OMTimes Radio. I have browsed many pages published on Wikipedia in recent years, about all kinds of people who have performed in their fields of activity and who deserve to be included in the most important online encyclopedia. In doing so, I noticed that this writer, who is on the same level as other public figures on Wikipedia, does not have a page. There are many similar pages already published about: Romanian beautician Anastasia Soare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Soare Romanian singer Andreea Balan, who has no appearance in the US press and whose career is known only in Romania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_Bălan Romanian TV presenter Andreea Esca, whose career does not span in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_Esca American psychic Colette Baron-Reid, whose page is devoid of reliable sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colette_Baron-Reid Many of the pages I listed do not meet the notability, neutrality, and documentation of the "Carmen Harra" page. This is why I'm so surprised that this page -- which was built according to the moderators' instructions -- was rejected for reasons that cannot be objectively argued. Wikipedia also indexes many people who have "stood out" publicly by committing abominable deeds or for being famous by association; in their case, notoriety over notability. But this sort of information is normal to appear in an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia like Wikipedia groups information from absolutely all fields of activity. Even though it is normal to be subjective, we must recognize the professional merits of others. I call on the fairplay of the Wikipedia community to apply the same rules to all published pages. The "Carmen Harra" page reached its present form after six months of editing and assistance from moderators who lent their precious time to help correct and verify presentation of information. Thank you and I look forward to your feedback! EmanuelB2019 (talk) 03:08, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft UArchitects

Dear Sulfurboy

I have deleted the awards section on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:UArchitects page. Beceause of the previous comments , that the page seemed too promotional. I would like to know if the edited page is now in term with Wikipedia and if it could be published.

Thanks in advance,

Meimaar.9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meimaar.93 (talk • contribs) 08:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Straight Talk Wireless Draft

Hello Sulfurboy,

I am sorry to be pestering you again, but AngusWOOF recommended that I ask you why you rejected my page and if there is anyway for me to proceed with fixing the draft so that it could potentially be accepted/published.

Does the current draft still break guidelines?

I tried to remove all promotional content, and I looked for sources that would meet guidelines as well.

Best,

Frank

FrankWS875 (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

FrankWS875, Because you've repeatedly wasted the time of multiple editors having to review your promotional, advert articles. The rejection is to ensure further editors aren't wasting their time. I would highly advise moving on from the subject. Sulfurboy (talk) 15:10, 3 September 2020 (UTC)


Looking in, since Sulfurboy is quite busy these days, my advice is to continue to write on topics that interest you that you are not being paid for. You do quite well on these. It's almost impossible to earn money writing WP articles; it's better to look on it as a hobby.. DGG ( talk ) 09:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Greetings

Hello, I’ve not seen you around in a bit, i hope this message reaches you in good health & peace. Stay safe. Celestina007 12:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007, Thanks for checking in :). I'm fine, I just work in the medical field and basically have had no free time since the Covid outbreak started. I'll be back as soon as all this crap is passed. Hope all is well with you too. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
All is well over here too. It’s a very important job as a health worker that you do especially in this very year. Thank you very much. Celestina007 13:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey, glad to see your OK as well - if you do your job in real life like you edit the people in your area are lucky to have you in this trying time. Keep safe and happy. All the Best KylieTastic (talk) 17:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Rikkeisoft

Hi, I was wondering why you considered my page overly promotional.

I made very sure to look at other sites in other countries on this site (Russia, India, Bulgaria, Etc) in order to get a good feel for how the article like this should be written.

As discussed on User talk:Oshwah, I'm not connected with the company. I also made very certain to make everything as detailed as possible through discussion with Yngvadottir when citing things. Is there something else that you don't like? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KyleVietnam (talk • contribs) 07:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

About Draft:Alarmy

Draft:Alarmy

Hi, I just checked the message from you and added the 'paid' section on my user page. Could you check if that works to release the draft above?

Thanks for your help and tremendous efforts for Wiki! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joy0519 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Marmol Radziner

I think this is too promotional to be accepted, and of dubious notability.l I'm restoring to it o draft. t — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs) 10:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank You, and a Few Comments and Questions

Thank you Sulfurboy for moving my page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Robert_H._Herman to the correct location in the Draft Namespace.

To the new prospective contributor to Wikipedia, the page creation process can be a bit confusing, no matter how many Wikipedia pages one reads about creating Wikipedia pages.

I hope that my draft is devoid of major issues and will soon be suitable for movement to the article space.

However, I have a few comments and questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Objective Operator (talk • contribs) 01:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Location of Initial Draft

Unless my initial clueless flailing and experimental click chasing resulted in the draft's incorrect location, if I remember correctly, I created the draft where I did because I followed one or more links at my Objective Operator account page that at least appeared to suggest that the correct location for new page creation would be opened upon clicking the link. Had I not followed these links, I would have not created the draft where I did. In other words, it appears the workload of editors might be reduced if it were more difficult for new users to inadvertently create a new page in an incorrect location. However, your message that you had moved my draft provided an important conduit through which my correspondence with you was initiated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Objective Operator (talk • contribs) 01:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Rejection of Atta ur Rehman Khan Page

The provided references are reliable for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Atta_ur_Rehman_Khan . Please check the references carefully. There are many official references including one URL of Pakistan's Prime Minister office.

Please see the following references:

https://pmo.gov.pk/news_details.php?news_id=918 https://arynews.tv/en/imran-khan-atta-ur-rehman-meeting/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.162.128.96 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft UArchitects

Dear Sulfurboy,

I have adjusted the draft, and took out the awards sections of UArchitects. This took out the promotional aspect of the page. I would like to know if these new changes made it possible to publish the page link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:UArchitects

Kind regards,

Meimaar.93 09:55, 21 September 2020‎ (UTC)

Requesting removal of the "undisclosed payments" banner on Lowenstein Sandler page

Sulferboy:

In the spring, I was asked to update my employer's page (Lowenstein Sandler) to ensure accurate, updated data. The edits were accepted, and the editors did a great job of tidying up the page. Some time later, the editors added a page banner at the top of the page: "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies. (May 2020)"

My employer asks if I can get that removed.

I confess I am new to Wikipedia and surely made mistakes in how I approached the updates. I made them in good faith but may have failed to add to my profile that Lowenstein is my employer and that I was updating the page on their behalf.

I welcome your guidance as to steps I can take to help the editors feel comfortable in removing the banner. I am at your disposal and welcome your input.

Thank you in advance for your time.

Rescuderomonte (talk) 13:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Rescuderomonte, 9/22/2020

Why would we remove the banner when you still haven't properly disclosed? The links with the information on how to do this have been posted a half dozen times on your talk page and you've chosen to ignore them. Wikipedia is not here to cater to your company's interests. I would advise taking the time to read our policies instead of asking us to hand hold you through the process. Expecting people to volunteer their time to help you get paid for yours is pretty absurd. Sulfurboy (talk) 14:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Sulferboy: You are correct. This was an oversight on my part. I input the disclosure on re. the Lowenstein Center for the Public Interest but realize now I failed to do it for the Lowenstein Sandler page. I will fix this now. Thank you again for your time. Rescuderomonte (talk) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

help in my first article

Hey Sulfurboy, could you please add my first article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ali_Mansour_(actor)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Diaa ahmedd (talk • contribs) 18:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

first entry on Diane Orentlicher

Hi, I made a submission for Diane Orentlicher on March 6th. It seems to have been accepted, although apparently you want something different in the footnotes. After reading the 10 pages on citations, I came up with new footnotes. But I can't figure out how to edit the footnotes on the page. Can you put these new footnotes to replace the old?

1 Diane Orentlicher, Public Law, Private Actors: The Impact of Human Rights on Business Investors in China, 14 NORTHWESTERN JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND BUSINESS 66 (1993) (with Timothy A. Gelatt); BUSINESS AS USUAL . . .?: THE INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE TO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS IN CHINA (May 1991) (75 pp.) (with Timothy A. Gelatt); GETTING DOWN TO BUSINESS: THE HUMAN RIGHTS RESPONSIBILITIES OF CHINA’S INVESTORS AND TRADE PARTNERS (July 1992) (50 pp.) (with Timothy A. Gelatt).

2 Diane Orentlicher, Settling Accounts: The Duty to Prosecute Human Rights Violations of a Prior Regime, 100 Yale L.J. 2537 (1991).

3 UN Doc. E/CN.4/2005/102 (2005).

4 John Shaw, Washington Diplomacy, Profiles of People of World Influence 196 (2002).

5 Richard Goldstone, For Humanity 99 (2000). See also Karen DeYoung, Wash. Post, Dec. 2, 1999, at https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1999/12/02/beyond-2000/8539613c-80ab-420a-81b4-cefe86dfb0cd/ (“internationally recognized expert on the crimes of war”). 6 Diane Orentlicher, Some Kind of Justice: The ICTY’s Impact in Bosnia and Serbia (2018); That Someone Guilty Be Punished: The ICTY’s Impact in Bosnia (2010); Shrinking the Space for Denial: The ICTY’s Impact in Serbia (2008).


Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emlecain (talk • contribs) 17:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Emlecain, I'm not currently active. I would visit the teahouse WP:TEA if you need help. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:John William Helton

Hello, Sulfurboy. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "John William Helton".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Celestina007 (talk) 09:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft article, Draft:Cafetran_Espresso

Hello,

After last year's debacle (multiple submissions declined and then rejection), I am trying to rewrite the page on Cafetran Espresso, starting from scratch. This time, I will directly liaise with the people in charge of the evaluation in the past (same message on their talk page), and ask for your assistance.

Disclaimer: I am not at all involved in the development of CTE. I am just a professional translator whose bacon was saved by the tool. Being quite active in various translator communities, I know for a fact that CTE is one of the most mentioned (which of course does not mean used) standalone CAT tool after SDL Trados, MemoQ and Wordfast (the other current big players being Cloud-based). It is particularly important for people under Linux, being quasi the only professional-grade tool. For us, CTE is not just notable. It is vitally important.

The conundrum I face is that, being in 2020, the immense majority of software comparisons are via blogs. CAT tools are not groundbreaking technology warranting a publication in research journals. And all other types of articles are now published via blogs or forums (personaly, I cannot remember the last time I read a magazine, even online). This issue would be met with any CAT tool develop today.

So I started by deleting all the boasting, as well as the detailed technical descriptions, which can be re-introduce later if needed. I think what remains is more than a stub. I would appreciate your help to grow it until the point it can be acceptable as a page, without adding material that would fire up new controversies. Nicolas Gambardella (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Thanks Kylie, I will do my best (370000 hits when we Google "cafetran espresso" is not bad for a start) It is just a matter of finding sources that are acceptable as reliable. This is where we will need constructive advice rather than unspecific statements and blanket rejections. We will get there. Nicolas Gambardella (talk) 15:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft article, Draft:Brian_Jean-Mary

Hello, regarding this draft, I can't think of any way to improve it, it looks nearly identical to several other football coaches' pages, with "significant coverage in published, reliable, secondary sources". Brian is the only "red link" on the Michigan coaching staff, I'd like to fix that. Mrgate3 (talk) 13:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Social Ecology Article Submission

Heyo 👋

Quick question on the Social Ecology article submission- we tried to draft it like other articles on political schools of thought & were wondering if a solution would be starting the article off small & building it up using verified neutral party sources? We were a bit uncertain how drastic the changes would need to be for submission.

Thanks! Phohammer (talk) 09:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Phohammer, I do not know what article you're talking about because you didn't link it. I also don't know my relation to the article in question. And who is the we you are referring to? Sulfurboy (talk) 15:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:United Theological College (Sydney)

You declined Draft:United Theological College (Sydney) in May 2020, citing Notability and style. I believe these issues have now been resolved (see the talk page) and intend to publish. Let me know if you have any concerns. Newystats (talk) 06:59, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

you're back

glad to see you're back again. DGG ( talk ) 05:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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