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Altaf Hussain

Hi -please don't post extreme claims on the talkpage of a living persons biography without WP:RS - please be aware WP:BLP policy applies on talkpages just as much as in articles. I have removed your uncited claims - feel free to reliably support them and replace, thanks - 23:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Off2riorob (talk)

Pre-AfD steps for Aaron Kotler

What were the results of the steps specified at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Before nominating an article for deletion before you nominated the article for Aharon Kotler for deletion? Step D specifies that "The minimum search expected is a Google Books search and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects. Such searches should in most cases take only a minute or two to perform." I had no difficulty finding multiple sources providing in-depth coverage about the subject in both Google Books and Google News archive, which would appear to directly conflict with pursuing an AfD nomination. Alansohn (talk) 04:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I realized I made the mistake I guess this is the right of passage of most new wikipedians, but lesson well learned. Btw, I appreciate you taking out the time reach out to me, thanks. The Terminator t c 19:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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can we use Facebook as source of an info like birthday and stuff when writing a biography on an individual, like that person's offical politician page or something? CapMan07008 (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:ELPEREN, the official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject. You will have to be 100% sure it is, in fact, the official page for that subject. If you need any more help, feel free to re-add the {{helpme}} template. -- Luke (Talk) 18:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks you The Terminator t c 15:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moving an Article

{{admin help}} I just Copied the content from Islamic Centre of Irving to Islamic Center of Irving (just a minor spelling correction), just realized that an admin can move the page lot more easily and smoothly. I'm just seeking help with that. Thanks in advance. The Terminator t c 17:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Quite right to ask: you mustn't do cut and paste moves, because it loses the contribution history, which we are required by the license terms to maintain. JohnCD (talk) 18:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Matisyahu Salomon - wrong editor

Could you please note that I'm not the creator of the above article. The correct editor is Jeremy12201986, the only thing I added was Rabbi-stub when it was a stub in June 2008. kathleen wright5 (talk) 01:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your deletionism and demands against Orthodox Jews and Judaism articles

Hi there CapMan07008/"The Terminator": Since you asked for feedback here it is. Since you opened this CapMan07008/"The Terminator" account you have gone on a self-selected deletion and template warnings spree against many articles relating to yeshivas and rabbis topics ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16] etc, all this from Aug 15 to Sep 3, and so few editors to respond to your "demands" to "terminate" or be zapped by you) and that seems is only the beginning of what you have in mind. I belong to a different school of thought of WP Inclusionism that takes the long view and relies on the expertise of editors that building up articles in an encyclopedia takes a long time, and that deletion should only be a measure of last resort for gross violations. Your first mistake can be seen in your premises as you state them on your own User page and I will respond in parenthesis to your premises that are in quotes and underlined:

"My Mission"
- (You forget that WP is a collaborative effort, and requires WP:CONSENSUS by many editors from all walks of life and that your "Mission", as you go about nominating and deleting articles in specific fields, will not win you the required teamwork, not just in AfDs but over-all to improve articles and WP content that is important.)IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Take out the trash."
- (How utterly insulting and a display of bad faith. While many articles all over may be of poor quality, calling them "trash" is vulgar and will automatically make editors fight you for considering their good work "trash" because WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF are more important than "taking out the trash" as you so demeaningly call it.)IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Above all I wanna to remove all the non-notable"
- (Poor use of English, "I wanna to remove" is slang for such a serious goal. "ALL" of it? How are you going to do that without getting into so many conflicts with other editors and not have built up your allies? Notability is a long and complicated subject that editors from various fields have different views about. It is constantly being debated in AfDs and that is why it is by definition always a contentious subject, and that's why it's best to proceed with caution in AfDs since one man's bread may be another man's poison so to speak and tread carefully for the sake of WP:NPOV at all times even if you think something is "not notable" take care not to shove it in the face of other editors who may not share your likes and dislikes.)IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"useless waste of space articles."
- (Saying "useless" is a POV and very judgmental because while it may be "useless" to you, and as you admit you know little about the topics you are nominating from the gross mistakes you have made -- such as nominating famous and notable Rabbis Matisyahu Solomon and Aron Kotler for deletion, and others -- while they are notable to the world! And, hey, you forget there is no such concept of "waste of space" on WP, because WP:NOTPAPER, so save your efforts for editing and not just deleting.)IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"I think Wikipedia is a great sources"
- (WP cannot be a "sources" but it is a RESOURCE. You are using English poorly here. That's why it must have as much information about everything, not just about what you like or don't like!)IZAK (talk) 06:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"and we need to add as much as delete"
- (Who says? This is not logical because if you add "as much" as you delete then you will land up with ZERO articles. Therefore: "Add one, subtract one" is not and cannot be a "policy" for WP growth!)IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"to make sure we have the notable, all that's notable and nothing that's not notable."
- (Stop taking only one policy and making it into the "one and only" rule that just cannot work for GROWTH because writing and editing is a creative process like the growth of a bay from infancy to childhood or from seeds to forests and fields, it cannot be done overnight and it cannot be rushed, but it needs expert care until it can stand on its own which you fail to realize. WP has many key policies and Notability is one of them but not the only one for the creating and evolution of good articles over time.)IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Kinda like Truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, with a major emphasis on Nothing but the truth .
- (Here is probably your biggest mistake and display of lack of logic because while something may be not notable by absolute WP standards it does NOT mean that it is "not the truth" -- just take a look, every one of the rabbis, yeshivas and subjects in Judaism you have been templating and nominating for deletion are ALL very true and notable in the Jewish Orthodox and in the general world around them. They may not generate media because they are low-profile and they may lack perfect references but that does not make them "un-true" or "inferior" or "trash" as you put it or in any way deserving of "termination" which is just so harsh.)IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you can see your way of pulling back from your frenzy of deletionism and enter more into building up topics rather than aiming to zap them on sight. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More feedback

Dear CapMan, I am also surprised by your deletionist crusade in your first weeks on Wikipedia. Did you have a chance to read the articles listed under your "Welcome" notice? As IZAK mentioned, the point about consensus is especially important here, as Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision-making. When you go on a notability-hunting spree and start nominating for deletion every article you find in the Orthodox Jewish world, you ignore the work of dozens of editors over the past 10 years. Wikipedia has been compared to a house: you do not demolish a page while it is in the process of being built, even if that process takes a few years (which it usually does, due to the unpaid part of this job).

Your lack of familiarity with the subjects you are nominating for deletion is also troubling. Since you are new around here, I would be happy to answer any questions you might have on who or what is notable in Orthodox Judaism on my talk page, before you run to AFD. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear CapMan, thanks for your note. I understand that you're trying to clean up the project by tagging articles that have gone without sources for years, but I don't think that's the way to go about it when it comes to Jewish-themed articles. Let me give you a little background: When Wikipedia started, it was a blank page, so anyone could add any article just off the top of their head. As time went on and editors began demanding sources, they started citing The Jewish Encyclopedia and other 100-year-old books in the public domain. In the last 6 years that I've been here, editors are doing more fine-tuned searches and using library books and newspaper sources beyond Google to properly source an article. But this work is going to take a lot of time, because (1) the Orthodox Jewish world tends to shy away from publicity and write-ups are usually confined to local papers such as Yeshiva World News, The Jewish Press, Lakewood Local, matzav.com, and the like; and (2) there are far fewer editors who actually write and source articles than who just drop in, make a change on the page, and drop out. Every time an article is nominated for deletion, everyone has to scramble to put aside what they're working on and fix up the article in question so it won't be deleted. You would be doing a much bigger service to Wikipedia to try and fix the articles yourself, or to post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism to alert editors to work on scanty articles.

Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin is an extremely notable and important yeshiva in the Jewish world! The fact that it has no references has no bearing on its notability. Please don't waste everyone's time by nominating it and having a "speedy keep" on the same day.

I agree that Hachnasat Sefer Torah should be a redirect. I'll take care of that. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear CapMan, Like I said, sources for Orthodox Jewish articles are likely not going to be found with a quick search of Google. It is also even more likely that these small mesivtas are not going to have any news coverage at all. However, there is encyclopedic value in having a template like Template:Mesivtas, and your AFDs are going to ruin that whole project. I think a much better approach is to start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism; the Jewish editors will certainly have something to say about lack of verifiability, option of combining mesivtas into one article, etc. Best, Yoninah (talk) 15:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I forgot to mention that references can often be found in Hebrew books and on Hebrew Google. However, my language fluency is not strong enough to access those sources. Yoninah (talk) 15:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Hachnasat Sefer Torah‎

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Hoogar

Hello,

I've expanded the article and added some references. If you have time, could you take another look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoogar. Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi ... I see that you've gathered a good deal of input above from a number of wikipedia's more experienced editors. I hope you take it to heart. Welcome.

BTW -- I think you should review the rules as to your signature, which does not seem to (always) match your user name, and ensure that you comply with wp's rules.

Best wishes.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which rules does my signature violate? The Determinator p t c 20:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Does anyone have the link to the WP rules on signatures? The Determinator p t c 18:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Signatures. If you want to find out about something in the works of Wikipedia, it's always worth typing its name in the search box preceded by "WP:" or by "Help:" and seeing what comes up. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. The Determinator p t c 20:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption

Hello CapMan07008! I see that you've put yourself up for adoption – great idea! I'll be happy to adopt you because I enjoy working with others – especially to help them become a better editor on Wikipedia!

Take a look at my edit history; I usually work at Articles for Deletion, Articles for Creation, in new page patrolling, and in vandalism-fighting. I have been an editor on Wikipedia for a year, and have made over 15,000 edits to the encyclopedia.

I'm usually available on Wikipedia from 0:00 - 5:00 and occasionally from 12:00-16:00 (all times UTC). I travel frequently, usually on business trips around the world. I'm so young, yet so busy.

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You know a lot more than I do, so I do accept. The Determinator p t c 14:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Welcome to Bmusician's adoption school!

Welcome!

You are now a student at my adoption school. Your official adoption page is located at User:Bmusician/Adoption/CapMan07008.

In your first assignment (which I have already assigned to you) you will learn about the five pillars. Read the lesson carefully. You are required to answer three questions about the lesson at the very end. You must answer two of them correctly in order to move on to the next assignment.

After you've completed all required assignments, you will then take an examination. If you pass the examination, you are permitted to either continue to study at the adoption school, or "graduate" from the school. (We'll talk about that when that time actually comes.) If you fail, however, you must stay at the adoption school until you finally pass an exam. Please note that you may leave the school at any time without graduating, but that means that you won't be awarded the "special barnstar" I give to my graduate students.

That's it; again I welcome you to my adoption school! Please me a message on my talk page if you have any questions regarding the school. B music ian 00:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar in category names

Hi. I noticed you created another category recently: Category:Islamic schools in the Kentucky. Unless I'm misreading this, you have a grammatical mistake right there in the title. This is on the tail of the category you created named Category:Canada places with Pakistani communities. That category has been deleted but it also contained a grammatical mistake in its name. I know these are good faith contributions, so everyone appreciates it, but please take extra care when naming categories since mistakes in their names are even more glaring than in article bodies. Thanks and have a good day! --Ds13 (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Sometimes, when I'm doing late night editing I can make such mistakes. I will take greater care in future. Thanks again. The Determinator p t c 03:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption

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Copyright assignment

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Miftaahul Uloom Academy

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No mention of where or when this took place was given. Granted, you said, "in NJ", but that's a given, since the school is in New Jersey. A mention of the courthouse or city would've been more appropriate. Some details of when this happened, or who sponsored the trial, etc., would've added a clearer context.
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Thanks for the tips. I added the reference that includes the jury decision. Since, the online article and the newspaper articles are written by the same person, I just assumed that the same information may have been in both articles. I have also added Cullen's online article to the list of resources. The Determinator p t c 12:22, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, the source you added was the online version of the print source that I used, so they're the same source. I also see now where in that source the jury is mentioned, so I apologize for stating above that that bit of info was unsourced. I thought I had searched for the word "jury" on that page and didn't find it, but maybe my memory was mistaken. Sorry about that. I combined the two sources into one. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay. It's good to know that another hard working soul is looking over my shoulder. The Determinator p t c 22:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Falafel

Mmm, thanks! That was really tasty! Best, Yoninah (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

May 2012

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Naseem Vicky

Thanks for your comment on the AfD, is there any way you could point me at the Urdu sources you mention there? If I can take a look at them, I might very well be open to withdrawing the AfD nomination. Thanks! --joe decker ^{talk to me} 16:17, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CVUA

If you are ready to start learning let me know and I'll take you under my wing :D Dan653 (talk) 21:41, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am ready. I would love to learn from someone more experienced than I. The Determinator p t c 01:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Great we'll start tommorow, what time zone are you in? Dan653 (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GMT-4 The Determinator p t c 02:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay sorry that I haven't been on I got really busy and forgot to let you know so that's my bad. On a different note just keep reverting with Igloo and if possible put rvv in your edit summary, so I can see how you are doing. If manual, the same applies. Happy hunting! Dan653 (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption

Hello Capman. You haven't finished your most recent assignment on User:Bmusician/Adoption/CapMan07008 yet. Of course, there is no time limit, but is the adoption going well? →B music ian 06:49, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gunja

You've disambiguated Gunja, which is good. However, all of the incoming links listed at Special:WhatLinksHere/Gunja still refer to the Croatian village. As the WP:FIXDABLINKS guideline states, you have to help disambiguate those links now. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention I have done some disambig on it, I will work on it to make sute it's completely done. The Determinator p t c 16:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New adoption assignment

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