Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Good log/May 2021
I am nominating the album Notes on a Conditional Form by the 1975 to become a good topic. The album, its singles and its songs have all been brought to Good Article status over the past year. Thank you to all the dedicated Wikipedians who helped review the album and its songs: Bilorv (who also brought "The 1975" to GA status), K. Peake, SNUGGUMS and HĐ! Representing the final chapter in the band's Music For Cars era, the lengthy experimental album blends orchestral pieces with electronic instrumental tracks and traditionally-structured songs. This magpie approach polarised critics; some viewed it as the 1975's masterpiece, while others found it too unfocused. Despite the strong reactions, the album was included on numerous year-end lists.
CommentsSupport:There are a number of articles in this topic where chart positions need to be written out in the body since they are mentioned in the lead, also make sure refs are always in numerical order but in general,these articles are highly detailed with a heavy amount of work put in and I feel so proud to have been among the reviewers! --K. Peake 16:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: I've gone through and added chart positions within the prose. Thank you for all your support! Giacobbe talk 18:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe Thank you for getting to work on it, but you missed "The Birthday Party" and the refs need to be ordered as requested. --K. Peake 18:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: Whoops, forgot about "The Birthday Party", good catch! Regarding the order of the refs, is that more personal preference or is there a GA criteria that I've missed? As far as I can tell from this, "Mistakes to avoid" includes: "Requiring that footnotes be listed in numeric order, if multiple citations are named after a sentence." Giacobbe talk 19:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- (Slightly involved) support: I got the opening track to GA and reviewed two of these GAs. I have quite a lot of subject knowledge in this area (an attempt to make "I'm a fan of the band" sound more impressive) and it does look like all of the notable songs from the album are included, and that all of the GAs are up to scratch. There should be a space before and after the slash in "Nothing Revealed / Everything Denied". — Bilorv (talk) 17:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you Bilorv for the support and your contributions to the topic! Giacobbe talk 18:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Let's go trougought each source
Mucrack is not reliable, if you find the article(s) he wrote I would like to see it. I dugged deeper into David Hayter, The guardian says this Every week we invite a reader to share with us some of the songs they've been listening to recently, reader is diferent from journalist. Sony Music? You mean a label, really? Doesn't get more bias than that. Lindkin is not reliable, good for finding stuff (like a seach engine) you need to back that stuff up with reliable sources, in this case the articles.
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- Support: I added a link to the first occurrence of "Tonight (I Wish I Was Your Boy)" in the main article. It's got the album and all the singles and other notable tracks at GA, and there doesn't appear to be a tour, video, or other related topic that ought to be here, and it's all joined by the band's navbox and various supercategories. Seems to tick all the boxes! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Bryanrutherford0: Thank you for the support! I appreciate you linking the song
Giacobbe talk 21:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Bryanrutherford0: Thank you for the support! I appreciate you linking the song
- Support looks complete to me with the parent album and each song article all being GA-level. A job very well done, and I must tip my hat to you for your dedicated efforts on the band's pages (including those out of this topic scope)! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the continued support, and your review of "Jesus Christ 2005...", SNUGGUMS! Giacobbe talk 15:11, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support - It is great to see stellar-quality music content again, in a time where the bar has been lowered so much. A really great, well-researched set of connected articles.--NØ 15:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind words and show of support, MaranoFan! Giacobbe talk 15:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Another Comment I also noticed that WP:Sample is not respected in some instances. On "Tonight (I Wish I Was Your Boy)" the lenght is 26 seconds for a song that has 4:07 of lenght, the maximum allowed is 24 seconds. On the article "Notes on a Conditional Form", the sample of "What Should I Say" should have a maximum of 24 seconds, on the same article the sample of "Roadkill" should have a maximum of 17 seconds. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- "Tonight (I Wish I Was Your Boy)" has a length of 247 seconds, 10% of which equates to 24.7 seconds (automatically rounds to 25), so I'll trim off accordingly.
- "What Should I Say" has a length of 246 seconds, 10% of which equates to 24.6 seconds (automatically rounds to 25), so I'll trim off accordingly.
- "Roadkill" has a length of 175 seconds, 10% of which equates to 17.5 seconds (automatically rounds to 18), so there's no need to change. Giacobbe talk 18:07, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- In this case, it's better to round down because that won't exceed 10% of a song's duration. One should avoid having overly long samples whenever possible. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- The sample does not exceed 10% of the duration. 17.5 seconds is the allowable sample, which it is. Should someone download it for any reason, that is what they would see. Could clarify that in its fair use rationale, though. Giacobbe talk 20:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe I do agree with SNUGGUMS on this one, better not to exceed, even if its 0.5 seconds. Let me know once you address this issue and the ones above regarding the websites, there are still two concerning. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I think the point is that it's not exceeding 10% by 0.5 seconds—the file is 17.5 seconds (10% dead on) but this is displayed within our internal pages as "18 seconds" (as that's the correct rounding to the nearest integer). But the audio itself (which is what the criterion applies to) is not more than 10% of the song length. — Bilorv (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- In this case, it's better to round down because that won't exceed 10% of a song's duration. One should avoid having overly long samples whenever possible. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Bilorv, that is what I was trying to express. Giacobbe talk 20:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe Have you addressed the samples reduction and the sources (411 mania and Banquet Records)? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have. Giacobbe talk 11:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- (CA)Giacobbe Have you addressed the samples reduction and the sources (411 mania and Banquet Records)? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Since you seem to have address all my concerns. Nicely done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 07:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, MarioSoulTruthFan, for the support! Giacobbe talk 15:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 00:35, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
San Marino debuted at the Eurovision Song Contest in 2008 and has since then participated 10 times, only missing the 2009 and 2010 contests. During this time period, they have placed last and qualified for the grand final twice.
- Contributor(s): Grk1011
I am nominating this group of articles to become a Good Topic because the main article and its yearly articles have all recently become Good Articles. The article for 2021 is future-class, but my plan would be to add that one later through the appropriate process. This is my first nomination for a GT! --Grk1011 (talk) 14:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support: these articles definitely look good, all but one of which I had the pleasure of reviewing! I would recommend adding an accompanying image for this GT though. --K. Peake 16:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I've now added a photo. Grk1011 (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Neat addition there, especially with them holding up the national flag! --K. Peake 17:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I've now added a photo. Grk1011 (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
CommentSupport: It's odd that the main article doesn't link to most of the others; this really ought to be fixed before it's nominated as a topic. All the articles are fine, and they share a navbox and category. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 17:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting point. Do you have a suggestion of where such links could be located within the article? Grk1011 (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I would suggest adding the links in areas of prose such as "for the first time in 2008," and "The 2017 entry marked". --K. Peake 17:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I've now added piped wikilinks to each year. Grk1011 (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's better, though the links could come into the text more naturally. Changing to support. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I've now added piped wikilinks to each year. Grk1011 (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I would suggest adding the links in areas of prose such as "for the first time in 2008," and "The 2017 entry marked". --K. Peake 17:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting point. Do you have a suggestion of where such links could be located within the article? Grk1011 (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support - All articles are in great shape so fantastic job getting them all to GA-status. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 12:21, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support meets the criteria with no obvious gaps, well-defined topical scope, under a shared template/category. Good job. Will eventually need to add 2021 article (assuming it gets made) to maintain the topic criteria. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 04:18, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - Aza24 (talk) 01:19, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Supplementary nominations
[edit]- Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest/addition1
- Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest/addition2
- Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest/addition3
Georgetown University is a private Jesuit research university located in Washington, D.C. that was founded in 1789. The president of the university is its chief executive officer and, until the 1960s, was also the rector of the university's Jesuit community. The president is charged with control over the "business affairs and properties" of the university, and appoints the vice presidents and administrators. To date, nearly all of the presidents have been Jesuits.
- Contributor(s): Ergo Sum
Every article is either a good article or featured article, and the lead article is a featured list. The topic is comprehensive, as it includes every person who was been a president of Georgetown University. --Ergo Sum 01:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support I have to throw in my strong support here, this has truly been an incredible project to watch, and deserves this recognition.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 02:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support recognition for this extensive body of high-quality (even exceptional) articles. Armadillopteryx 02:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Looks like the full list, all at GA of FA, with a navbox and category to link them all. Well done! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 12:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support Great achievement full of reliable sources. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support Great that there is over 40 FA or GA class articles in this topic; such a level of extensiveness is amazing to see! --K. Peake 19:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Panini!🥪 11:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support. I can only imagine how much work it must've taken to get these all to this point. Congrats! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support meets the criteria with no obvious gaps, well-defined topical scope, under a shared template/category. Huge congrats on this amazing work and superb topic, cannot imagine the amount of time that went into this. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 04:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good! KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:07, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support Per all above. Had the opportunity to review one of the GAs on the list, just one of many great articles. Great deal of care and work has been invested in this project with remarkable attention to detail. Total support without reservation. Thank you for your efforts and contributions! Babegriev (talk) 03:02, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support I'm a bit bemused as to why this is still sitting here not promoted after five weeks of unanimous support! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - Aza24 (talk) 23:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
The English Football League Championship play-offs are a series of play-off matches contested by the association football teams finishing from third to sixth in the EFL Championship table and are part of the English Football League play-offs. As of 2021[update], the play-offs comprise two semi-finals, where the team finishing third plays the team finishing sixth, and the team finishing fourth plays the team finishing fifth, each conducted as a two-legged tie. The winners of the semi-finals progress to the final which is contested at Wembley Stadium. The Championship play-off final is considered the most valuable single football match in the world as a result of the increase in revenue to the winning club from sponsorship and media agreements.
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- Contributor(s): The Rambling Man
A complete and comprehensive history of the second tier play-off finals. I'm not saying this is my magnum opus (that'll be the Boat Race topic incoming this year), but this is more than a year's worth of effort so I hope it meets with the approval of the community. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wow. This is astonishing. What a lot of work. One question for now... I don't suppose there's any "free use image to accompany and represent the topic, preferably a featured picture if at all possible"? Pretty sure you considered it. As the criteria make clear, this isn't an essential, so it's not a pass/fail issue by any means. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 19:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well there are half a dozen in the main article which could be used (even one of "good old Norwich"'s visit), but I felt to pick one out was to cherry pick. Perhaps a shot of Wembley? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wembley isn't a bad shout. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 21:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - fantastic work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support meets the criteria and is an excellent body of work. NapHit (talk) 10:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support
CommentsI am uncertain about the reliability of tabloid newspapers the Sunday World and the Birmingham Mail due to them being populist, but I don't know lots about them so if you can make a proper case, my opinion may be shifted. For the majority,the content is up to proper quality especially with numerous FAs and I always feel amazed at seeing these GTs with over 30 articles! --K. Peake 20:52, 4 May 2021 (UTC)- The reviewers at GAN had no issue with those publications, and in general they are never used to cite anything controversial. If the sources are black-listed by Wikipedia, please do let me know. Thanks for your comments. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think that's they're sources being used totally appropraitely. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 21:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man and Dweller, there is nothing on these sources at WP:RSP so that is why I admitted to not having too much knowledge of them. After the explanations above, I don't take issue with the usage of them anymore. However, the 2013 Football League Championship play-off Final article should have the GA icon listed instead of the DYK one per this being a GT. --K. Peake 08:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- It seemed okay until you signed your name in the template. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man Very sorry about that, I know this topic isn't mine at all and that must've been a misclick. --K. Peake 12:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Don't give it a moment's thought. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Of course not, I'll give thought to the contributions I made for improvement here though! --K. Peake 15:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Don't give it a moment's thought. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man Very sorry about that, I know this topic isn't mine at all and that must've been a misclick. --K. Peake 12:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- It seemed okay until you signed your name in the template. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man and Dweller, there is nothing on these sources at WP:RSP so that is why I admitted to not having too much knowledge of them. After the explanations above, I don't take issue with the usage of them anymore. However, the 2013 Football League Championship play-off Final article should have the GA icon listed instead of the DYK one per this being a GT. --K. Peake 08:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think that's they're sources being used totally appropraitely. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 21:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- The reviewers at GAN had no issue with those publications, and in general they are never used to cite anything controversial. If the sources are black-listed by Wikipedia, please do let me know. Thanks for your comments. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support A huge and impressive piece of work. Congratulations. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 21:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support What a great project. Impressive work. Congrats. Ergo Sum 17:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. There don't appear to be any relevant pages missing, and it's a coherent topic. Well done that man. — Amakuru (talk) 06:45, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Magnificent project MWright96 (talk) 12:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Great job! KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Question @FGTC coordinators: just wondering how long nominations need to remain open these days? No rush, just curious. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hey TRM—I've had my eye on this but have been delaying because it takes quite a bit of time to promote a big one like this (we have update every talk page manually, for example). That being said, I should have time to promote it tomorrow, unless Sturm or Gamer beat me to it. Aza24 (talk) 03:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Aza24 Ok, no worries, thanks for letting me know. You think this is a big topic, just wait until I nominate the Boat Race topic....!! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 06:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hey TRM—I've had my eye on this but have been delaying because it takes quite a bit of time to promote a big one like this (we have update every talk page manually, for example). That being said, I should have time to promote it tomorrow, unless Sturm or Gamer beat me to it. Aza24 (talk) 03:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - Aza24 (talk) 02:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)