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November 15[edit]

Roh Moo-hyun[edit]

Hello. I am Sunghye Kim, a manager of Education team, Roh Moo-hyun foundation in Seoul, Korea. Roh is a former president in South Korea, and had a conflict political relationship with the opposite party(conservative, Saenuri Party) in Korea. Now that we only have a month to presidential election, the opposites are acting dirty even with the former president, Roh. Somebody tries to make president Roh a communist, corrupted politician who died for shame. We, as a representative of former president Roh Moo-hyun, really hope that you could stop him or her for doing such a rude and irrespectful behavior. I will try to edit the contents myself, but I am expecting Wikipedia to do something to make it right. Please send us your response as soon as possible. Thank you in advance.

Sunghye Kim Education Team, Roh Moo-hyun Fondation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hindung1 (talkcontribs) 00:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The article has been semiprotected by an administrator until 29 November in response to vandalism. See Talk:Roh Moo-hyun. Wikipedia has strict policies governing articles about living persons, and their content, whether welcome to the subject of the article or not, must meet our standards of sourcing and balance. Examples of indisputable vandalism may be reverted on sight, and persistent or problem vandalism may be reported to WP:AIV for administrator attention. As a representative of Mr. Roh you have a conflict of interest and are strongly discouraged from editing the article yourself, but you can discuss any proposed changes at the article's talk page linked above. - Karenjc 10:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


The above script doesn't work, doesn't appear anywhere, I can't find it. I have already bypassed my cache and refreshed the browser. Where is it? Thanks, TBrandley 02:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

On the Vector skin, 'p-cactions' (mentioned in the script's source code) is the ID of the "[Content] Actions" drop-down menu located just left of the search box, or to the left of Twinkle if you use that gadget. Under that menu, there should be a "rollback summary" item. (On the MonoBook skin, the menu item will appear as one of the tabs across the top of the page.) PleaseStand (talk) 05:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
However, the menu item won't appear if there is no rollback link on the page. PleaseStand (talk) 05:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Display time problems[edit]

Hello, I've been on Wkipedia for almost a year but this is my first time dealing with this. I'm having trouble with the Display template. My current time is 9:42 on November 14 but when I make it to start to display it on November 15 at 1:00, it already displays it when it clearly isn't 1:00 on November 15. Can anyone help? I think this might have to do with the server time but I don't want it to go off of the server time, I want it to go off of my current time which I do have set in my preferences. Here's the page I'm talking about. Feel free to edit it to try to fix it. I also noticed that when I sign my name, it goes off the server time and not my time, how do i fix that too? Thanks, --Astros4477 (talk) 02:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but with that template it appears that you must go off of UTC time. To set the time of your post (or any time for that matter), Wikipedia:Comments in Local Time is the gadget you are looking for. By the way, are you in the EST time zone? UTC is 5 hours ahead of EST, so all you have to do is add five hours to your time to get UTC for the template. I'm not sure of any other way to do this, but if anyone else knows, feel free to correct me. The Anonymouse (talkcontribs) 06:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
You are at UTC−05:00. You can simply add "+ 5 hours" to the time parameters in {{Display}} without calculating it yourself, for example {{Display|from=November 15 1:00 + 5 hours|text=This is a test.}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:06, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the help! It makes it so much easier to understand the time now.--Astros4477 (talk) 22:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. By the way, note that the from text may not be displayed until the page is purged at a later time. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Editing an infobox[edit]

How do I access the infobox on "Solar eclipse of November 13, 2012" in order to add an image to the top of the infobox?    → Michael J    05:46, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that's pretty obscure! You need to edit Template:Solareclipse200 db and set 2012Nov13-Ph to the name of the picture, and 2012Nov13-PhCap to the caption text. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Never mind. That is too complicated for me! The photo is File:Nasaeclipse13nov2012.png in case someone else is brave enough. Thanks for the info. (Someone should put that image on the main page, too, instead of a 1999 eclipse.)    → Michael J    07:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I've made the edit, so the article displays the image, and have posted at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Errors in In the news. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Can I request a username usurpation if I am a new user?[edit]

I wanted to sign up to Wikipedia however signup failed as there was already a user with a username similar to mine. So I went to WP:ACC and requested it there, and it got denied for the same reason, even though that account was registered over 6 years ago and has no edits.

So I was wondering if the following would work: I create a user with some random, temporary username, and then request for it to be changed at WP:USURP (to the username that had no edits), seeing as it meets the criteria. And then, once that's done, ask for the new username to be changed to the one I wanted in the beginning at WP:CHUS.

Would this be an option? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

If the one that you really want has never been registered, I think you should be able to go straight from step 1 to step 3 – create an account with a random temporary name and request it to be changed to the one you want at WP:CHUS. The Anonymouse (talkcontribs) 06:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I'd try that but I think it might just get denied again. Apparently the username mine is too similar to is also in use with other WikiMedia projects (which I don't plan to use). (talk) 07:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
If the user name already exists on another Wikimedia Project(s), Single Unified Login (SUL) conflicts could prevent the account creation. However, it's still worth a try. If you are unsuccessful again, it might be time to use your second user name choice. :) The Anonymouse (talkcontribs) 09:06, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to have a SUL account when I look at [1]. That's the conflicting username; the username I am after is Bui, which only has two total edits across all wikis (5 total): [2] -- (talk) 09:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


hello, this webapge is wrong in stating that the town of Lindau in Bavaria. It is actually in the state nof Baten-Wurttemberg. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

There are many places with such a name in Germany: See Lindau_(disambiguation). Ruslik_Zero 09:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, and Lindau is about the one in Bavaria. Note the top of the article says: "For other uses, see Lindau (disambiguation)." Lindau in Bavaria has 24,813 people. Lindau in Baden-Württemberg is apparently only a part of Ibach which as a whole has 394 people. It makes sense that Lindau is about the far larger town. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Take That[edit]

Hi, i'm struggling to get the table of contents to work on the following page; List of songs recorded by Take That, can anyone help?

Thanks, --Jonie148 (talk) 09:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:CompactTOC8 is for pages where section headings are letters. If you want to use it for a table then you must insert anchors for each letter in the table. See for example List of dog breeds which has {{Anchor|A}} in the wikitext for the first entry starting with A, and so on. The TOC should also be placed at the top of the page or after the lead, and include links to all real section headings on the page. See Template:CompactTOC#Listing custom-headers. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
{{CompactTOC8}} is now {{Compact ToC}}. {{List TOC}} is similar but simpler and has better accessibility. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Generating sulphuric acid[edit]

Is there any possibility to generate sulphuric acid or any other acid during recovery of crude benzol from coke oven gas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Header added. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. - a boat that can float! (watch me float!) 10:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Not so much wrong website as wrong desk. Try reposting this query at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. Someone there will be able to help you. - Karenjc 10:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

How to break apart an existing talk page to create a new one?[edit]

Please look at Robert Fletcher (poet). Then click the discuss this page link. It should redirect you to Talk:Robert Fletcher (fl. 1586), who is an earlier poet.

How do I keep the existing talk page and create a new one for the 20th century poet?

Also, is it possible to delete the redirect? I don't know how to do that either.

Thanks for any help you can provide.--User:FeanorStar7 FeanorStar7 11:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the redirect on the talk page. If you want to add the same template, it's {{WikiProject Biography}}. - Purplewowies (talk) 11:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I have added the biography tag to that page. FS7

Lost content[edit]

I was working on draft content and when I moved away from the page I'm not able to find it. Yes, I saved the page but I do not know where to go to continue to edit it. HELP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdggibson (talkcontribs) 15:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I added a header to your question. If you click on the "my contributions" tab (very top right of the page) it will show a history of all your Wikipedia edits - see here. You have made just two - one to this page and another submitting an article which was blank, with no content at all, and which has been declined for that reason. You haven't saved any draft content anywhere, unless you did so under another username or while not logged in. You may have pressed "show preview" rather than "save page"; this button will not save your work, unfortunately. Unless you can get back to it using the "back" button on your browser, it is probably lost and will need to be recreated. You can use the article wizard to create a draft in your userspace to work on until it is ready to submit. - Karenjc 16:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
To find any pages you created or edited while logged out, log yourself out again by clicking the "Log out" link at the top right, and then type "Special:MyContributions" into the search box. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Unless you have a dynamic IP address. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Press credentials[edit]

Is there any precedent for wikipedia facilitating press credentials for photojournalism? If so, how do I inquire about such arrangements?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, though I don't know the details. It was discussed in this issue of the Signpost in regard to the Olympics. You might contact the interviewees in that article; I suspect that they would know. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
That seems to be event-specific. I was thinking of something more along the lines of this. Maybe they could do something like they do for Highbeam.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this in violation?[edit]

It's all created by the same user — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not inherently against policy for an editor to be the sole author of an article, no. (However, there are some cases, particularly WP:COI, where it is.) - Purplewowies (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
The latest 50 edits were done by at least a dozen different editors. Your question is incomplete as you do not say what rule you think may be broken. Roger (talk) 19:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Creating a new article/ title[edit]

I'm thinking of creating a new article on Sir John Leigh. He was the half-brother of Henry VIII's Queen, Katherine Howard, was a foreign traveller, had a well-known quarrel with Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey (the poet Earl), and was a friend of the founder of the Royal Exchange, Sir Thomas Gresham, so he seems sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

My question concerns the title of the article. Wikipedia discourages the use of 'Sir' in article titles, so the title would be 'John Leigh' with a descriptor to differentiate him from other John Leighs. He left a will dated 30 April 1563, with a codicil dated 14 March 1564. However his will not proved until February 1566. It seems likely he died in 1564, shortly after the making of the codicil to his will.

The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography uses this format for birth and death dates covering a time span: (d. 1564x6). Would the title 'John Leigh (d. 1564x6)' be the right one to choose for a Wikipedia article? Or would 'John Leigh (died c.1564) be a better choice?

Any suggestions would be much appreciated. NinaGreen (talk) 18:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Did he have a title in addition to Sir? Ruslik_Zero
No. He was among a group knighted on 2 October 1553, the day after the coronation of Queen Mary, but I can't see evidence of his having any other title.NinaGreen (talk) 19:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
What did he do other than be knighted? If he was important for some reason or held some important job or something like that, the article could be titled "John Leigh (job title here)". SeeWP:DAB for some more information; we have, for example, articles titled things like John Smith (academic) or John Smith (botanist). --Jayron32 19:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
He's mentioned with the ODNB date format in Joyce Culpeper, but I haven't found any article titles yet that use the format. We do have at least one article that uses the circa abbreviation in its title: Zamorin of Calicut (died c. 1500). My instinct would be to disambiguate with the latter. - Karenjc 19:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for the helpful suggestions. I think either 'John Leigh (died c. 1564) or perhaps 'John Leigh (courtier)' would work. NinaGreen (talk) 20:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Rather than giving his date of death, it might be better to use something like John Leigh (fl. 1550). Maproom (talk) 22:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Dan Peres for Details Magazine[edit]

Hi - I work for Conde Nast and we would like to add an article for Dan Peres, the Editor In Chief of Details Magazine. I have an account for him and tried to submit his bio, however it was turned down because of the COI. Does this mean I should create his article from my personal wiki account? Is there a way around this first step because he is a public figure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanPeres (talkcontribs) 19:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Dan_Peres_(2) was declined for having no independent reliable sources, not for COI. If you produced a neutral, reliably sourced article that established his notability and fully declared your COI, it would be considered at WP:AFC. However, you should under no circumstances be editing from an account under somebody else's name - all contributions must be the work of one user, who must not impersonate another real person, and shared accounts are not permitted to edit. See WP:USERNAME. It is likely that the DanPeres account will be blocked shortly for this reason. - Karenjc 19:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Dozier Adolphus DeVane[edit]

I work for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. You might want to add that, while working as Solicitor for the Federal Power Commission, Mr. DeVane was co-author of the Federal Power Act, along with Clyde Seavey, who served as Commissioner and then as Chairman of the FPC.

I am currently looking for a photograph of Mr. DeVane. I contacted the U.S. District Court of Northern Florida, whose staff tell me that he would have had a formal portrait taken when he was named Senior Judge. But they can't find a picture.


Sarah McKinley <Phone Nunber Retracted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC) AROBAZE.png Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email this address.

The best place to suggest this is on Talk:Dozier A. DeVane. In general, anybody may edit an article, but as you have a conflict of interest it is advisable that you suggest it on the talk page, with a published reliable source for the information (it should not go into the article without one), and leave it up to other editors to change the article. As for a photo, if you can find one to add to the article, that would be great; but be aware that any photo must either be in the public domain, or be explicitly released by the copyright holder under a suitable licence: see WP:DCM. --ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Nelson Community College[edit]


I am Richard Hodges, the Director of Learning Resources at Thomas Nelson Community College in Hampton, Va and it has been brought to my attention that we need to basically overhaul the page currently viewed through Wikipedia. One of the links I cannot access has to do with our President. Next to his name is hyperlinked text for 'president'. However, it doesn't go to anything about him. How can I change this?

I greatly appreciate your help in this matter.

Richard Hodges Director of Learning Resources Thomas Nelson Community College

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AROBAZE.png Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email this address. — TransporterMan (TALK) 21:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You should not edit the article due to the fact that you have a conflict of interest. If you have particular corrections or changes and that information can be substantiated through reliable sources as defined by Wikipedia, feel free to request them and provide those sources on the article talk page. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
The word 'president' is linked to a Wikipedia article (actually, a section of one) about university presidents. There is not currently a Wikipedia article about John Dever, and so there is nothing to link his name to (links external to Wikipedia are quite tightly circumscribed, and would not be appropriate here: see WP:EL. If John Dever passes the notability criteria for Wikipedia, somebody may write an article about him (preferably not you: see the 'conflict of interest' article linked by Transporter man above), and then his name in this article can be wikilinked to that article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Swat valley[edit]

Hi dear, If you guys can change the "Swat valley" Article from Swat River to Swat Distric — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isruma (talkcontribs) 22:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi dear, If you guys can change the "Swat valley" Article from Swat River to Swat Distric

Swat Valley Famous name of Distric in pakistan. Swat River A river flow in Swat valley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isruma (talkcontribs) 22:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

There is an article Swat River, which is of course about the river. Its first paragraph says 'For Swat valley, city or district, see Swat, Pakistan. "Swat valley" redirects to this article.' So it may be confusing that "Swat valley" redirects to the Swat River article, not to the Swat District article. I will alter the redirect if I can figure out how. Maproom (talk) 22:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I find that the Swat district article starts "(Redirected from Swat district)". I fear that I will soon be out of my depth if I try to fix this mess. Maproom (talk) 22:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I tried anyway, and did get out of my depth. Swat valley now redirects, appropriately in my view, to Swat district. And there is still an article Swat River. But if you type in Swat river, you get to Swat River via a redirect; and if I blank that redirect, then searching for Swat river does not work. Maybe I need to request a speedy delete for the "Swat river" redirect. Maproom (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand why you consider it a problem that Swat river redirects to Swat River. This is a common type of redirect. If Swat river is blanked without being deleted then you of course see a blank page at Swat river. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
It's also an out-of-date redirect. Wikipedia no longer needs these lowercase-to-uppercase redirects. As an experiment I just deleted the Swat district redirect. Typing "Swat district" in the search box brought me to the Swat District article without needing the redirect at all. (I won't restore the redirect because no articles link to the lowercase Swat district, all links are to the uppercase Swat District.) ~Amatulić (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but Category:Redirects from other capitalisations currently has 373,411 pages (and many others are missing the tag). I call that a common type of redirect. It's not a criteria for speedy deletion so I declined Maproom's nomination. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Dorothy Johnston Australian author[edit]

Dear Wikipedia,

I would like to make a correction and several additions to the wikipedia page about me. I have tried writing some more information and correcting a date but I don't know how to save, or what the next step should be.

Dorothy Johnston (talk)

Dorothy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorothy Johnston (talkcontribs) 23:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried to propose the changes at Talk:Dorothy Johnston? There you can find editors interested in that article. Leaving a message there is pretty much the same as here on the Help desk. —teb728 t c 08:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)