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February 26[edit]

Link to version of page from specific date (without knowing oldid)[edit]

also posted here

Hello all, Is there any tool that will link to an old version of a page when just given a page and date (no oldid)? Alternatively, is there any tool that can calculate an oldid when given a page and a date? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@T.Shafee(Evo&Evo): In wikitext, the best you can do is link to a page history only showing the latest version at the time. You can include UTC time in YYYYMMDDhhmm: Using url encoding for page names with special characters: [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Evolution and evolvability Note this is only what is actually from that page. So if for example a template is included of other articles on the topic, that template will show as it is *now*, not the way that it was on the date. The only way around that is if the wikipedia is actually on or at that date.Naraht (talk) 16:54, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

TMS list[edit]

Hi !

How can i get on the list of TMS practicioners?

I am an CanStat Certified Alexander Teacher in BC, Canada. We have a lot to offer for people dealing with chronic pain. We work with pain contractile response. Our biggest contribuation we can help people with fear of pain to move and excercise again with less self contraction and tension.

Thank you ! Alena Minova — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:72A4:E400:79B1:8EB3:7229:213B (talk) 00:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

This is the help desk for the entire English Wikipedia. Are you referring to a list in one of our 5.8 million articles? if so which one? -Arch dude (talk) 01:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
(e/c) I've just looked and don't see any article listing people in relation to practicing transcranial magnetic stimulation, which is what I think you're talking about. Can you clarify what article this is about? Meanwhile, generally speaking, only people who already have articles dedicated to them because they are notable are properly included in lists embedded in other articles. Are you aware you're at Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:55, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Question about page protection[edit]

Out of curiosity, is there a reason user’s aren’t able to protect their own pages? SportsFan007 (talk) 05:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Because otherwise someone could move an article into their userspace and then protect it, creating a mess that needs an admin to revert? {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 05:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Ah ok, that makes sense, thank you!!! SportsFan007 (talk) 05:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007
Also, SportsFan007, because there is no such thing as "their own pages". Nobody in the world owns a Wikipedia page, not even Jimmy Wales. --ColinFine (talk) 08:47, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@ColinFine: I meant user pages and user talk pages. SportsFan007 (talk) 10:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007
If you want userspace pages protected, ask at WP:RFPP, and they usually get done. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

How I can Publish the Article on Wikipedia?[edit]


I have created the userpage on wikipedia and want to publish the article on wikipedia also. Please guide me or send me the steps that how I can publish the article with name "Jaswant Singh Mann".

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mxmcms (talkcontribs) 06:24, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

See WP:Your First Article. You can also ask questions at WP:Teahouse. Rmhermen (talk) 07:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Selectively suppressing the "sort" function in sortable Wikitables[edit]

Hello. I have two questions about the ability to selectively suppress the "sort" function in sortable Wikitables. (1) Can one (or, perhaps, more) specific columns be "suppressed" – or "turned off" – from the sorting ability? (2) Same question for certain specific rows. If so, what is the exact "computer code" to do so? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 12:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: (1) is explained at Help:Sorting#Making a column unsortable, (2) at Help:Sorting#Excluding rows from sorting. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Perfect! Thanks! I will check out those links. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

created new page on Leslie E. Anderson[edit]

Dear Wikipedia, On February 8, 2019, I created a new page for Leslie E. Anderson. That page has never gone live and is not available on Wikipedia. I am writing to ask if you are still reviewing the page or if you have decided not to create it. Thank you.Landerso (talk) 16:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Landerso: Hello. If you are Leslie E. Anderson, you should read the policy on autobiographies. If you are not, you will need to change your username(instructions can be provided). If you are referring to User:, you have not submitted the page for review. Even if you did, however, it would not be accepted, as there are no sources provided to support its content, and it reads as a resume or other list of accomplishments. Wikipedia is not for merely telling the world about someone(or yourself). Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Seeing the sortkeys in a category?[edit]

Is there any tool or setting that would allow for seeing what the sortkey is for each entry when viewing a category?Naraht (talk) 16:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

My reason for asking is that I'm going through and trying to fix all of the entries in Category:Pages_using_infobox_university_with_unknown_parameters and it would be easier if I could see that there was a large group that (for example) all had "Facebook =" as a unknown parameter. (In fact if there were enough of a specific word, I could use AWB to augment my work.Naraht (talk) 16:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@Naraht: Playing with the API documentation, does this API query help? You'd have to run it from a bot account to see the full results, or someone more familiar with the API could work out how to use the "cmcontinue" parameter to get the results in chunks. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't know a tool which works when you view a category page. The API is designed for programs and I don't know a more human-friendly method. Here are the current API queries to get all pages with cmcontinue without a bot or admin account: [2], [3], [4]. The cmcontinue values will change when the category members change. My admin account can show up to 5000 at a time instead of 500 so you can also ask me for a long list. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
John of Reading, PrimeHunter This is somewhat useful, but given this, I'm not sure if what I want is available. Because Wikipedia uses the name of the article as a tiebreaker, it automatically appends it to the sortkey. For example (one in both of your lists) for Barnard College, I'd like to get the text "acceptance rate", not "acceptance rateBarnard College". Any ideas?Naraht (talk) 19:02, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
That does not sound like a big hindrance for your purpose. It is {{Infobox university}} which includes the page name in the sortkey with this: [[Category:Pages using infobox university with unknown parameters|_VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}]]. I have saved the sortkeys including pagename in User:PrimeHunter/sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
PrimeHunter I want to find out how many pages have the improper VALUE of phone, and what I see looks like
phoneICBT Campus
phoneKing's International University, Tonga
phoneOkinawa Christian School International
phoneRajasthan University of Health Sciences
phoneSarsuna College
phoneSt. Louis College of Pharmacy

(and if it was _VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}, that would be better, but what we have is VALUE{{PAGENAME}} with no underscores. :(Naraht (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Those are 99.99% certain to all be phone followed by pagename. And even if one of them isn't, I don't see how it hinders your purpose significantly. _VALUE_ (including the underscores) represents the parameter name in Module:Check for unknown parameters. The sorting in Category:Pages using infobox university with unknown parameters is deliberately by first character of the parameter name to get different headings in the category. It's not wanted to insert a common character at the start but you could request it in the middle and end at Template talk:Infobox university. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:56, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
PrimeHunter It isn't that I want the sortkey to *actually* be _VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}, I just want to be able to pull out VALUE for comparison rather than it all smushed together. But it sounds like VALUE isn't kept separately and that some sort of text manipulation would be required to actually get VALUE.Naraht (talk) 07:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
If you look through User:PrimeHunter/sandbox manually then cases with many identical VALUE are easy to guess. If you want to do it with a tool then you would need a method to separate VALUE and pagename. The API page has a title field which could be removed from the end of sortkeyprefix with a program but it would be easier if sortkeyprefix marked the start of the pagename with a special character. As mentioned, this could be requested at Template talk:Infobox university. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree that they would be easy to guess. But I don't feel that altering the template to do this single shot large scale cleanup. (Because after this, I'd like to do another unknown parameter category) Oh well. I'm having fun with the cleanup anyway...Naraht (talk) 14:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

How could I copy edit my Article[edit]

I created an Article a few days ago. My Article name is The Hell of Good Intentions. I recived a noification which say my Article need to copy edite or review in it's english grammeral. How can I do this copy edite or is there someweher that do this edite?Forest90 (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Copyediting involves eliminating spelling, grammar, and punctuation mistakes, and improving the text in other ways, for example in making the style more self-consistent and also consistent with the house style of the publication (in this case Wikipedia), improving the structure of the article, cross-checking the facts against the references used and against further references if available, etc. [Disclosure: I used to be a professional non-fiction copyeditor for a UK publisher.]
It is quite difficult for the original writer to do this, because if they can see any mistakes or deficiencies they would likely not have made them in the first place. While they are welcome (on Wikipedia) to do what they can, it really needs a fresh pair of eyes (or two, or more) to do it properly.
It's likely that other editors will either look at the article directly or be prompted to by this query. [Regrettably, I am not free to do so until at least tomorrow afternoon.] {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi,Thanks for help. I found GOCE. I will ask them.Forest90 (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Forest90, You can copy it to your sandbox to work on WelpThatWorked (talk) 19:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi talk,Thanks for helping me. I found GOCE. I will ask them for copy editForest90 (talk) 11:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Visual Editor / MediaWiki edit toolbar[edit]

Do we have any statistics on what percentage of editors are currently using Visual Editor and/or MediaWiki edit toolbar? I would like to update the percentages I have on my WP:CANCER page. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Progress so far: meta:Grants_talk:Project/Rapid/Pine/Continuation of educational video and website series#Measures of success discussion, copied from this page on English Wikipedia
Related: User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 234#Video tutorial regarding Wikipedia referencing with VisualEditor
Anyone interested might want to go to the meta page and post a message that you are also interested in the answer. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Phonetics guidelines and the IPA template[edit]

Is there a way to have Template:IPA-es to indicate things like Venezuela Spanish or Argentinian Spanish? Also if there is an article about a local celebrity, like for example the president of Peru, is there any guideline to decide if we should use standard Spanish or Peruvian pronunciation? --MaoGo (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

ToC problem[edit]

In Carter (name), there's a Compact ToC being used. It seems to be interfering with the display of a generic ToC for all the sections and subsections. Is there a solution? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: Not sure what problem you are seeing, but does the documentation at {{Compact_ToC}} help? It shows all the different options, which seem to be quite a few. RudolfRed (talk) 20:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Are my eyes playing tricks on me? I didn't see that top ToC before. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:21, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@Clarityfiend: I've made an edit, so there are now two TOCs. As RudolfRed says, you could also do it by adding custom entries within the compact TOC. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Aha, thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)