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Chris Amon biography nominated for main page recent deaths[edit]

Kia ora koutou, I have nominated Chris Amon for listing on the WP main page under "Recent Deaths" however I suspect the nomination will be opposed due to the lack of citations in the article. Some paragraphs have none at all. If anyone would like to pitch in and add references to the uncited statements, that would be great! I suspect that all the details of his career do appear online, as there are plenty of references in the ref list, however they need to be matched up to the statements. MurielMary (talk) 11:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


Add missing articles[edit]

There is high interest in the Rio Olympics and New Zealand at the 2016 Summer Olympics contains a large number of redlinks. As per WP:NOLYMPICS, all Olympic competitors—with the exception of reserves for team sports—are inherently notable. So why don't we have a collective blitz and turn those redlinks into articles? I've dealt with rowing already. Schwede66 19:17, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

And here's what needs doing:

Field hockey
Rugby sevens

That's 31 competitors to do, out of 199 in total. I suggest we cross them out once names go blue; that way, we can see progress. Schwede66 19:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Make that 32, now that Tim Price replaces Jonathan Paget in eventing. Schwede66 19:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Sione Molia as a rugby reserve who's replacing an injured player brings this to 33. Schwede66 05:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
As Molia is only a traveling reserve - I'm not sure he meets notability criteria. The women's sevens team will also have two traveling reserves. Mattlore (talk) 06:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
The moment he plays, I understand he gets counted as an Olympic competitor. Schwede66 08:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
He's previously played for New Zealand in the IRB Sevens World Series, so already meets WP:NRU. Paora (talk) 11:05, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
The traveling reserves for the women's squad are Michaela Blyde and Shiray Tane. Mattlore (talk) 21:58, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The silver medal goes to the New Zealand Wikipedians for being the second project on the English Wikipedia to have articles for their 2016 Olympians. We got pipped by the Canadians, but as a country, they are a tad more numerous so will certainly have a higher WP to athlete ratio than us. So once again, we are performing splendidly. How about we now try and get every medallist biography up to at least start class? I'll prepare a to do list. Schwede66 23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Medallist bio expansions[edit]

Athlete Sport Event Status 5 Aug 2016 Current article class Action User(s) (content since 5 Aug)
Natalie Rooney Shooting Women's trap no article Start  Done Lugnuts, Schwede66
Shakira Baker Rugby sevens Women's tournament Stub Stub Not done
Kelly Brazier Start Start Already done
Gayle Broughton Stub Stub Not done
Theresa Fitzpatrick Stub Stub Not done
Sarah Goss Stub Stub Not done
Huriana Manuel Stub Stub Not done
Kayla McAlister Stub Stub Not done
Tyla Nathan-Wong Stub Stub Not done
Terina Te Tamaki Stub Stub Not done
Ruby Tui Stub Stub Not done
Niall Williams no article Stub Not done
Portia Woodman Stub Stub Not done
Luuka Jones Canoeing Women's slalom K-1 Stub Start  Done Schwede66
Eddie Dawkins Cycling Men's team sprint Stub Stub Not done
Ethan Mitchell Stub Stub Not done
Sam Webster Stub Start Already done
Hamish Bond Rowing Men's coxless pair Start Start Already done
Eric Murray Start Start Already done
Valerie Adams Athletics Women's shot put C C Already done
Genevieve Behrent Rowing Women's coxless pair Stub Start Already done
Rebecca Scown Start Start Already done
Mahé Drysdale Rowing Men's single sculls C C Already done
Lisa Carrington Canoeing Women's K-1 200 metres Start Start Already done
Women's K-1 500 metres
Sam Meech Sailing Men's Laser no article Start  Done Schwede66
Jo Aleh Sailing Women's 470 Start Start Already done
Polly Powrie Stub Stub Not done
Alex Maloney Sailing 49erFX no article Stub Not done
Molly Meech no article Stub Not done
Peter Burling Sailing 49er C C Already done
Blair Tuke Start Start Already done
Tomas Walsh Athletics Men's shot put Start Start Already done
Eliza McCartney Athletics Women's pole vault C C Already done
Nick Willis Athletics Men's 1500 metres C C Already done


I was wondering which way NZ English spells this word, "medalist" (1-L) or "medallist" (2-L's) ; I noticed that Category:Olympic medalists for New Zealand uses one, while Category:Olympic medallists for Great Britain uses two. -- (talk) 23:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Currently Great Britain is the only Olympic category to use the two. However, for the commonwealth games categories, all countries use medaLList. Mattlore (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Should the NZ Olympic categories use two "L"'s? -- (talk) 03:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
My NZ spell checker that comes with Firefox wants to see two "L". Throwing the options into Google and restricting the search to NZ domain names sees one "L" win by a land mile. So the one "L" version seems to be more common, despite what Firefox thinks. Schwede66 05:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Our esteemed print media seem to all use two, in a quick search I couldn't find any using one.[1][2][3][4] Mattlore (talk) 06:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

10,000 Challenge[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if anybody would like to collaborate long term in trying to reach a 10,000 article improvement/creation drive for New Zealand at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/The 10,000 Challenge like we're doing for the UK at Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge? Regional contests fuel the drive but it's a permanent goal now. Would wikipedians here be interested in running a similar thing and some regional contests/editathons to increase output? it could be a lower target if there's not enoguh editors, but I'm hoping to get multiple 10,000 challenges running at the same time to benefit everywhere.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Schwede66, any thoughts on what a reasonable target would be? How may contributors does NZ have like yourself?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Good question. Don't really know of the top of my head. Maybe a dozen semi-active to active contributors? What do others think? Anyway, if that's half-way right, then "10,000" is a really scary number. Even "1,000" would be big for little old New Zealand, I reckon. That said, I'm just about to mass-produce three dozen Olympic rowers that are redlinked. Schwede66 09:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, 10,000 would be too big for NZ. The focus though would be more on cleanup/improving article quality and destubbing, so a minor reference would be listed as well as new articles etc. There would need to be at least three or four people interested in doing it first though!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's the kind of thing I'm doing all the time anyway. I track new articles, but not improvements; the latter would be the more numerous. Schwede66 10:11, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, there's probably not enough editors then to sustain one for NZ then which is a shame. We could do with cloning a few dozen of you!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:09, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Union Churches[edit]

I've created a stub at Union Church (Australia), and it has since occurred to me to wonder, did or do similar buildings exist in New Zealand, either by that name or another? The possibility that they might was suggested to me by discussion at talk:charitable trust#New Zealand law.

It occurred to me that the rural NZ experience might be similar to that of parts of Oz. If so, it might be appropriate to broaden and rename the current stub.

Or, if they did/do exist and are already covered by another article, I'd like to at least link to that from the new stub. It seems relevant. TIA Andrewa (talk) 21:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

@Andrewa: There are certainly a number of Union Churches in New Zealand, and Heritage New Zealand has quite a few of them on its register. I recall that the one in Burkes Pass is Category I and therefore inherently notable, but it doesn't have its own article yet. I would have to be convinced, though, that there is a link between Australian and New Zealand union churches to justify a common article. My inclination would be to have separate articles for the two countries and whilst there obviously isn't one for NZ as yet, somebody will get round to writing that article one day. Schwede66 00:42, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. The link would be if these were set up on the same basis as the Australian ones. The ones in other countries listed at Union Church seem to be of quite a different character.
And that maw be true of New Zealand too. I see lists the current use as Religion - Church, and that there is No public access.
This suggests to me that it may be a conventional church run by a congregation, not a trust-run building, but it doesn't actually say. How do I find out? Andrewa (talk) 01:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
The simplest way to find out would be to ask the local i-site, in this case the one at Thames. If a place hasn't got an i-site, I'd look whether they had a museum. Schwede66 02:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
@Andrewa: We have the same concept of a building owned by a trust and available to multiple church groups, but we tend not to call them "Union Churches". The example closest to me is the "Soldiers' Memorial Church" in Titirangi, which is used by the Traditional Anglican Parish of West Auckland, the local Anglican parish for a weekday communion service, the local Presbyterians sometimes, a Celtic service once a month and various weddings as well as funerals from the local RSA. In NZ, our "Union" Church concept is basically the same as the "Uniting" Church in Australia. Usually it's a combination of Presbyterian and Methodist parishes that cannot sustain separate buildings and services and so have joined forces. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks... then it's definitely not looking good to have a single article covering both. Andrewa (talk) 06:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Automobile, motor bike and motor sport photographs[edit]

I am on the look out for any photographs relating to New Zealand made automobiles - historic cars and bikes, kit cars, racing/rally cars, and motor cycles for the articles about or related to the Automotive industry in New Zealand, Kit and replica cars of New Zealand, and Motor sport in New Zealand. If anyone comes across any that can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons Category:Vehicles in New Zealand I would appreciate it. NealeFamily (talk) 02:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

You are based in Wellington, right? Why not catch up with the Kennett Bros; they have boxes full of old bike photos that would all be PD by now. Schwede66 02:05, 17 September 2016 (UTC) allows facetting to restict to images and 'share' licensing. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Thankyou both, these will definitely fill in some gaps - 04:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)NealeFamily (talk)

Local Body Elections 2016[edit]

  • Candidates representing NZ political parties

There are Green, Labour and United Future candidates standing for Auckland local elections, 2016 as well as local boards in the region. Labour has a section on Auckland Local elections only. Does this mean there aren't successful Labour candidates in local body politics anywhere else in NZ? Green infobox notes the numbers in Wellington City and Regional Councils, Dunedin City Council and Christchurch community boards.

Just wondering if this is something worth noting in those political party's respective pages or note on the local election page.

  • Retention of current council members etc.

I noticed some city council pages lists the members of current council etc. I wonder if it is worth archiving them in one page, perhaps adding to the bottom of or the talk page of New Zealand local elections, 2013 so the info is not lost. I am not suggesting we create new pages, just retain some of the old info somewhere until such time someone decides whether they need organising. Any thoughts or objections? Linnah (talk) 15:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Linnah If there's a section with current officeholders, make a new officeholder section with the current one as subsection with the year of election as the subsection heading. Add the new people above and by implication invite others to add previous councils below. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Māori language[edit]

Where can I find a Wikipedia style guide for Māori language, e.g., use of macrons, formation of plurals of Māori words in English sentences? Thanks! Wikid (talk) 06:23, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't think there is one (it would be good if there was, though). Personally I use macrons where appropriate - i.e. only leaving them out when a proper name, such as that of a company or a book, doesn't have them - and form plurals of English loan-words according to Māori language rules (the same as what I'd do with many Latin loan-words). Daveosaurus (talk) 06:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I know of no wikipedia style guide. The best I'm aware of is Stuartyeates (talk) 19:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll pursue my WikiGnome activities along those lines (e.g. "tohungas" becomes "tohunga"). Wikid (talk) 01:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Could someone please review 'Shannon Te Ao' for me[edit]

I started a page on Shannon Te Ao, winner of the 2016 Walters Prize but hit publish a little early and so got tagged for speedy deletion. The original editor hasn't been back to reverse that; would someone mind having a look for me? Auchmill (talk) 03:53, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Kia ora Auchmill, I've had a look and added some questions to the talk page. MurielMary (talk) 21:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Merge proposal Inland Revenue Department (New Zealand) and Rewrite Advisory Panel[edit]

See Talk:Rewrite_Advisory_Panel#Merge_proposal for discussing the merge. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Bain family murders[edit]

I have recently become re-involved in this article and made some bold edits in an attempt to make it more encyclopedic. To be honest, I am failing in trusting most of the main editors there due to the level of dedicated account involvement and strong opinions being expressed on this case. More eyes from experienced editors would be useful. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 04:55, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

I recently read the article for the first time, without knowing the edit history. It immediately struck me as subtly unbalanced and pro-David. If good faith edits had occurred to maintain neutrality then they seem not to have succeeded. I reflected on risk of having a limited number of (potentially not legally trained) wiki editors dealing with any legal article, especially one such as this.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:09, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Soundscape festival (merge)[edit]

Hello! while looking at old merge proposals I came across Soundscape (New Zealand festival). I can't find any info on this festival from later than 2013. is it still going? And if not, can it be merged into University of Waikato? Sophie means wisdom (talk) 12:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Oceania/The 10,000 Challenge[edit]

Hi, Wikipedia:WikiProject Oceania/The 10,000 Challenge is up and running based on Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge for the UK which has currently produced over 2300 article improvements and creations. If you'd like to see large scale quality improvements happening for New Zealand and Oceania like The Africa Destubathon, which has produced over 1600 articles in 5 weeks, sign up on the page. The idea will be an ongoing national editathon/challenge for Oceania but fuelled by a contest if desirable to really get articles improved and created.I know for Oceania it is a very tall order, but that's where a big contest like the Africa one would help fuel it! If there is a minimum of 4 or 5 people who work on New Zealand articles interested I'll create a 1000 Challenge for New Zealand feeding into the continent one. I would like some support from wikipedians here to get the Challenge off to a start anyway with some articles to make doing a Destubathon for New Zealand, Australia and Oceania worthwhile! Cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:57, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Here's a poser[edit]

Engraving of a sketch by crew-member Isaac Gilsemans showing the islands from the north west.
Abel Tasman made two Pacific Voyages, during which he made several discoveries, including that of the Three Kings Islands at the northern tip of New Zealand.

He was accompanied by the artist Isaack Gilsemans who created the sketch seen at right of his visit to the Kings on 13 December 1642. It shows three ships, two in the foreground and one on the horizon.

That's odd because Tasman had only two ships on his first voyage in 1642, but three on the second voyage in 1644.

So, did Gilsemans not draw the sketch until after the second voyage, forgetting there were only two ships when they were at the Three Kings? Or does his image faithfully show another explorer's ship that was passing at that time, someone we don't know about?

Any historians here have a theory? Moriori (talk) 02:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Not a historian, but I notice the image on the Isaack Gilsemans page also shows two ships (plus sundry canoes). I'd guess that Gilsemans sketched what he thought an imaginary observer of the whole fleet would see. Daveosaurus (talk) 02:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
The ship on the horizon looks to me like some sort of stylistic thing, like the anchor seemingly floating on the sea surface. Nurg (talk) 09:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
I have shown the image to friends, asking them (without prompting) what the scene depicts, and they see a ship on the horizon with at least two flags. An anchor appears in the bay in the foreground, so an anchor out on the horizon would be unusual indeed. A very interesting point made by one friend is that the giant on the right is actually facing seaward and is (1) waving to the vessel on the horizon, or (2) is performing a whakapohane aimed at Tasman's ships. Enlarge the image and you can actually see the buttcrack, which supports the theory of him facing seaward. Curious indeed. Moriori (talk) 20:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
I would have thought it highly unlikely that Tasman passed another explorer on the first voyage and failed to mention it anywhere. Perhaps it is a composite picture, as in the drawing of the encounter at Murderer's Bay; The larger depictions are of the ship's positions (more or less) at the time of the encounter, the smaller depictions indicating the direction in which they left the scene. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:28, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages[edit]

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Entry on the new PM Bill English nominated for the Wikipedia main page as "In the news"[edit]

As a new editor I'm unfamiliar with the process for drawing attention to this nomination, which may take up to 7 days. It may be useful to have the entry added to ITN earlier than that. Please promote this nomination wherever it may be seen by fellow NZ wikipedians. Here is the nomination: Thanks EvidenceFairy (talk) 05:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Rewrite needed for Whanganui Regional Museum[edit]

I have a COI with the Whanganui Regional Museum – my employer – so about a year ago posted some suggestions for improvement and references to its Talk page. Nothing much happened as a result, sadly. Recently though there have a been a couple of information dumps obviously taken from Museum press releases about changed hours and address. They're anonymous, so could be from a tourist information office or even my colleagues. If anyone would like to have a go at improving this article, in particular adding an infobox with clear links to temporarily-changed address and website, that would be great. I'm happy to make basic factual changes, but would rather someone else did, as I'm always explaining to museums and galleries why they can't just write their own Wikipedia pages! Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Joe Warbrick peer review[edit]

Seasons greetings everyone. I've opened a peer review for Joe Warbrick, the 19th century Maori rugby player. I'm looking for feedback here before nominating at WP:FAC sometime early next year. So if anyone has a spare couple of hours over the holiday season I'd appreciate any constructive feedback you're willing to offer. Thanks! -- Shudde talk 14:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the New Zealand 1990 Commemoration Medal has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Recipients of the New Zealand 1990 Commemoration Medal, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

James and Mary Wallis page[edit]

I've made some minor corrections to the page on James and Mary Wallis (eg fixed 1938 to 1838). Also the last son in the children list, Jabez Bunting Wallis, was a grandson, not a son, so was removed. At the bottom of the page is an orphaned line, Captain James Wallis of the 46th regiment 1785-1858 with no explanation or reference, does anyone know what this is about? I maintain a family tree & don't believe this Captain James has anything to do with the Rev James, I recommend this line be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlyleN (talkcontribs) 06:57, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikiwand is not Wikipedia - corrected link to Wikipedia page NealeFamily (talk) 00:38, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
This article contains a number of issues, from a Wikipedia perspective, not the least of which is the abysmal referencing, none of which can be verified by the reader. Also note that Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#COI editing discourages editors quoting their own work as a reference. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:57, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Royal New Zealand Coastguard[edit]

Could we get the quality and importance assessed on this page please? I have overhauled the whole page. by  cody 06:08, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

List of wind farms[edit]

Hi all - We currently have two separate and diverging lists of wind farms in New Zealand, as part of the pages Wind power in New Zealand and List of power stations in New Zealand I've started a discussion at Talk:Wind power in New Zealand about verifying, amalgamating, and moving them to a stand-alone List of wind farms in New Zealand (currently a redirect) - please comment at the mentioned talk page! Grutness...wha? 22:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Wellington[edit]

I have started a proposal for a new WikiProject related to New Zealand: WikiProject Wellington. Here is the proposal. J947 20:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Peter Leitch (Mad Butcher) BLP undue weight discussion[edit]

There has been, unsurprisingly, a lot of editing/expansion of the article Peter Leitch (businessman) lately. There is concern that some edits have introduced a significant undue weight problem in the article -- see discussion at Talk:Peter Leitch (businessman)#Racism incident. I have trimmed the area of concern (to hopefully avoid any BLP violations), but a few eyes on the article, and the input of others, would be greatly appreciated. -- Shudde talk 17:36, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject New Zealand/sports?[edit]

Should we be considering making a sports taskforce for WPNZ? I'd be happy to help out. Pinging Schwede66, Mattlore, and Lugnuts. J947 21:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't know. Is it needed? If there's a few editors who find it helpful to collaborate via a taskforce, it could be handy. We have taskforces that are rather inactive (just saying). Schwede66 04:47, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
I dip in and out of NZ biographies depending on what I'm focusing on (cricket, Olympics, etc). If it would help and be of use, then it sounds OK. However, as Schwede66 states, there are lots of inactive taskforces, so we don't need to make one just for the sake of it. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 08:12, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Sports articles that need checking[edit]

Hi there, thought I'd let you know that 61 New Zealand sports bios have been moved to draft space and need checking. This page gives the background. Schwede66 04:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Sum of All Paintings - NZ list[edit]

Hi all,
For the "Sum of all Paintings" project on Wikidata we're seeking to find all available digitised catalogues (metadata, not necessarily images) of paintings in any kind of GLAM. We've found a bunch of GLAM websites in New Zealand already but perhaps you know of others we've missed? Please add as many as you can think of to this page, ideally if you can also indicate the number of paintings in the collection, and the URL that can be used to scrape that metadata: d:Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Location/New Zealand. (if you know of others in the region that would be awesome too) Wittylama 10:35, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Your definition of notable appears to be flawed from a wikipedia point of view. Other notable collection galleries include Adam Art Gallery, Dowse Art Museum, Dunedin Public Art Gallery, Govett-Brewster Art Gallery, New Zealand Portrait Gallery, New Zealand Academy of Fine Arts and Te Manawa. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:31, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you're saying the notability is incorrect... firstly we're talking about adding Wikidata items (not Wikipedia pages), and secondly we're talking about adding lots of individual works to wikidata (not the museums that house them which already ought to have wikidata items). Your suggestion of Dunedin Public Art Gallery, for example, is excellent and I've just included that at the bottom of that page - they have 787 works catalogued as "oil". Unfortunately, and by comparison, others that you mentioned (e.g. Dowse, Govett-Brewster, Academy of Fine Arts) don't have online catalogues which can be used to find any paintings in their collection. The NZ Portrait Gallery DOES have an online collection, but I'm finding it hard to work out how to see a full listing of paintings - all I seem to be able to do is filter by "recent", "artist" or "subject". Te Manawa also does have a "collection" page but there's nothing actually on it. Finally, the Adam Art Gallery does have a full collection listing - but it's a 51page PDF and doesn't specify the medium of each work so it's unknowable if they're paintings, sculptures etc. If you can suggest any other online collections of paintings in NZ, or indeed elsewhere (see this list of all the country-specific pages) please add them :-) Wittylama 10:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
See if this fits with what you are looking for - University of Auckland Art Collection. Nurg (talk) 02:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

G'day Sheep shaggers[edit]

Some Welsh people at the Sheep shagger article are convinced that sheep shagger is a "racist" term because of some court case in Britain where someone was charged under the Calling a Welshman a Sheep Shagger Act. I've tried to tell them they're being ridiculous, gone to the talk page and all, but they insist on including the word "racist" in the lead sentence. Can I have some help please? MaxBrowne (talk) 23:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

The Cyclopedia of New Zealand[edit]

Should places in The Cyclopedia of New Zealand be considered notable? If we reach consensus to I'll start with Warepa and Pomahaka, due to their relevance to the April 1865 Bruce by-election, an article I've been working on. J947 01:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Gadfium, if I remember rightly, once tied notability of geographic units to whether they are a census meshblock. To me, that makes sense for inherent notability. Beyond that, I'd say that WP:GNG ought to be met. I would not think that inclusion in The Cyclopedia of New Zealand gives inherent notability. Schwede66 02:33, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't recall doing that. I have suggested any place (in New Zealand) with a primary school is notable, because there will be a community around the school. I think there will usually be a case that any area unit in the current census will be notable. Area units have names. Meshblocks are much smaller areas than area units, and just have numbers.
The problem with the Cyclopedia is that it accepted paid-for biographies, and thus isn't suitable as a claim of notability for people. I don't know if it accepted vanity articles on locations. No article on a location would be acceptable using only the Cyclopedia as a source because the information would be too dated.-gadfium 03:16, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Warepa has a school. J947 03:20, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Meshblocks are tiny! J947 03:18, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Census meshblocks themselves don't have names - the have numbers (seven-digit if I remember correctly). I suspect Stats NZ sometimes doesn't explain well enough how they present rural population data - I'm fairly sure Leithfield doesn't belong in this list, for example.
Warepa is definitely a notable place - it's one of the original settlements in the lower Clutha area - there's probably a local history available in libraries. Pomahaka is now best known as a river - there's still a locality called Pomahaka, just north of Conical Hill, but it may well not be the same place as the one that was called Pomahaka in 1865. Daveosaurus (talk) 03:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
@Daveosaurus: I know—they are seven-digitSchwede66 was probably referring to area units. I'll start a stub and some editors around the area—maybe Grutness or you—could have a look in the local library for more sources. J947 03:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I'd say that Cyclopedia of New Zealand entries are probably not enough in themselves. If they're also in Wise's New Zealand guide, then they'd be more acceptable, but even then a lot of them would be borderline. Having said that, Warepa would definitely be acceptable. Not so sure about Pomahaka, but it's possible (FWIW, if my dad were still alive, he'd have a very good idea about which were notable and which weren't - he was born in Romahapa, only a couple of km from Warepa!) Grutness...wha? 04:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I meant area units, of course. Gadfium, it was in respect to the Northcote Point article, but I can't see the discussion anywhere. Schwede66 04:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Romahapa would be notable too - actually just went and checked and it's already got an article. I probably should have tried to get an interesting photo while I was driving through the town yesterday. Didn't think of it though... Got one of Port Molyneux, though, but it turns out it doesn't have an article at all so nowhere to put the photo.
Looking at the Clutha towns list, the following red-linked ones are probably notable enough for an article: Port Molyneux, Chaslands, Waipahi, Clydevale, Tuapeka Mouth, Waipori and Waikoikoi. A few other possibles would include Merino Downs, Ratanui and Purakaunui (this last one mainly so that people can point out that Purakaunui near Waitati and Purakaunui near Ratanui are two different places). If I knew more about the Clutha area (and had more spare time) I'd have a go at writing a few of these myself. Daveosaurus (talk) 06:37, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry I missed this thread. A couple of points (a) in my day job I maintain the most widely used version of the cyclopedias, so can help with things like machine readable versions (b) the whole thing was basically a vanity press exercise, none of content should be trusted as there are some serious fabrications and exaggerations and (c) most places in the cyclopedias are probably notable, but commonly not be the same name. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
OK, I've done a little bit of the dreaded "Original Research" into this and found out:
* The Pomahaka in question is the station of Captain Francis Wallace Mackenzie.
* In Mackenzie's article it states "...he set up his farm 'Glenkenich', and the locality, near Tapanui, is now known as Pomahaka."
* The source (the infamous Cyclopedia) actually says "owner of Glenkenick, Pomahaka" and that he "took up land at the Pomahaka river".
* Looking at the 1:50 000 topo layer, I see that Pomahaka is a locality on the east bank of the Pomahaka River; a locality called Glenkenich (which would have been pronounced "Glenkenick") is about 4 km upstream, also on the east bank of the Pomahaka River; and that a homestead named "McKenzie Downs" is on the west bank of the Pomahaka River about 1 km west of Pomahaka locality. Whether McKenzie Downs is anything to do with Captain Mackenzie is more than I would know, but the name "Glenkenich" definitely dates back to the earliest days: the land registration district in the area is the Glenkenich SD.
I'd suggest that, if you want a blue link to link the polling place to, then either use Pomahaka River or else create an article for Glenkenich. Daveosaurus (talk) 04:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
My trusty old 1969 Wise's New Zealand Guide lists Pomahaka (p.267) as a mining and former sawmilling settlement 5 1/2 miles (9km) south of Tapanui and 21 miles (33km) east of Gore via Waikoikoi, on the banks of the river of the same name. Well-known for trout fishing, altitude 372 feet (112m). Glenkenich, however, is listed (p. 73) as being 15 miles (24km) north of Waipahi, 2 miles (3km) west of Tapanui, and 4 miles (6km) from Kelso. This roughly agrees with the topo map, but not with Mackenzie. The Cyclopedia could simply be using the term Pomahaka to refer to the area around the river. Grutness...wha? 00:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
There's a portion of the West Otago runs map reproduced in Ian Simpson's "A Rich Harvest" and it shows "Station Capn McKenzie" within cooee of "McKenzie Downs" - across the river from the locality Pomahaka. Elsewhere in the book, a later Crown Grant index record map shows Mackenzie owning a large amount of land in the area, including a runholder's pre-emptive right at McKenzie Downs. Daveosaurus (talk) 07:16, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Waitangi Day[edit]

Kia Ora you lot. One of your brethren, (Akld guy), was disgruntled about the lack of Waitangi Day on the main page yesterday. A couple of us have tried to explain why, i.e. mainly that the article is pretty much bereft of references, so it isn't good enough for main page inclusion. Akld guy has said he's going to work on the article, I was hoping you'd all join in and make this topic one of Wikipedia's finest. Frankly I'm a little shocked that it's not a featured article by now! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

My objection was to the timing, which disqualified the article one day before it was due to appear. Not adequate notice, and a serious lack of judgement by the editor who tagged it for disqualification, considering that Waitangi Day has been featured 10 times on the Main Page in the past and is a day of national significance to all New Zealanders. Akld guy (talk) 21:27, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
No lack of judgement, in fact the opposite, disallowing mediocrity (at best) and rank piss-poor referencing. It matters not one iota that it was featured in the past, nor that it's "a day of national significance to all New Zealanders". The article is junk, and the sooner you all fix it up, the better. Now crack on! P.S. Continuing to rail against the exclusion is doing you less than no favours. As an experienced editor, you ought to be aware of WP:V and WP:RS, so it's utterly indefensible to argue for the main page inclusion of an article in such a dismal state. That it was removed one day beforehand is simply symptomatic of the fact that no-one is helping Howcheng out. If you'd like to step up and stop whinging like a Pom, that'd be great too. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I didn't come here to "rail against the exclusion". I was mentioned here in a not very good light ("disgruntled") and was forced to defend my complaint here. You brought it here, not me. Now STFU and let me continue on with improving the article as I did this morning. I have been out all afternoon and expect to continue in the morning, about 12 hours from now. Akld guy (talk) 06:56, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
And you have forced Howcheng and I to defend our positions in preventing mediocre (and in this case, very poor) articles from getting onto the main page. There was not one iota of a lack of judgement, despite your continued baseless and bad faith arguments. Time to quit the whinging and do something practical, there's a shedload of work to do. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:03, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Of all the days you could have flagged the article for clean-up, you waited until the day before the holiday itself? Please don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, it's unhelpful. Daveosaurus (talk) 04:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Photo challenge February 2017 is Multilingualism[edit]

FYI, take a look in commons:Commons:Photo challenge/2017 - February - Multilingualism if you have any file you'd like to upload, maybe in some of your archive at home. So far nothing from New Zealand (therefore nothing written in Māori language).--Alexmar983 (talk) 13:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Anglican Māori dioceses[edit]

Hi friends. I'm an experienced editor on Anglican church articles, but I need some help from people with NZ/Māori knowledge. The article Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia section Aotearoa lists the five Māori hui amorangi (dioceses of that church). 'Til just now, four of those five articles were named with the diocese's name without "Te Hui Amorangi..." (e.g. Manawa O Te Wheke). That seemed strange to me, because a "New Zealand" (English-speaking) diocese would be named Diocese of Wellington, so I moved two, to Te Hui Amorangi O Te Upoko O Te Ika and Te Hui Amorangi O Te Waipounamu, then realised the fifth is at Te Hui Amorangi ki Te Tairawhiti. So I'm in a muddle because I don't speak Māori so I don't know if O Te or ki Te is more appropriate. I'm also wondering whether these Māori culture, Māori language, institutions ought to be named on the English-language wikipedia by English-language translations of their names? DBD 17:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Good questions. WP:NCNZ is the place where we should record any consensus that we come to. I suggest that we use the Māori language names to record the institutions, as that has become increasingly common. Schwede66 17:32, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks loads for such a quick response. I didn't even think to look for WP:NCNZ but of course it makes massive sense that that would exist already! How might we square using the Māori-language names for the dioceses with WP:EN? DBD 18:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
The Church seems to use "Te Pīhopatanga o Aotearoa o", for example "Te Pīhopatanga o Aotearoa o Te Tairāwhiti". I would be interested in what other reliable sources call them. Mattlore (talk) 19:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Art+Feminism edit-a-thon covering women artists in Auckland[edit]

I noticed a posting by @Pharos: at @DerbyCountyinNZ:'s talk page asking for help at an edit-a-thon in Mairangi Bay (North Shore Auckland) on 18-19 March. I am willing to help. What do I need to know and how should I prepare for this. Are there other experienced Wikipedians who would like to come along?-gadfium 22:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland/ArtAndFeminism 2017 is the specific page.-gadfium 22:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


Is there anybody interested in expanding the article Kurī? I have compiled a list of sources on the subject on the further reading section that can be used to expand the article but don't think I am up to working on it myself. I feel like it can get a DYK nomination with a fivefold expansion which given the current size won't be much. Thanks. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


I strongly suspect that this show is not still airing on C4. Can anyone update it? (When?) did it cease? I can't find anything particularly useful on it. Does it even really meet notability requirements or would it be better served with a minor merge to C4? Thanks, ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 10:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

@Hydronium Hydroxide: Yup, to be honest I think the info should be merged into the C4 article. C4 stopped running about 2014 and the Four channel it's self 2016. Sirpottingmix (talk) 19:46, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 Done by Stuartyeates the same day. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 07:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming "420 collaboration"[edit]

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Seeking feedback at FAC[edit]

I have nominated Joe Warbrick as a FAC -- see here. We don't see many NZ editors around at FAC very often and NZ focused articles rarely get nominated. Please don't be reluctant to contribute there, it can intimidate some people but it's basically just a peer review. It'd be good to see more NZ related articles nominated and if there are any that people feel may be appropriate post about them below. FAC is actually in a bit of trouble: it's not attracting enough reviewers or nominators, and it looks like the number of new Featured Articles isn't going to keep up with the 365 a year rate we need for Today's Featured Article. Hence a discussion recently about whether we need to start re-running previously featured articles on the main page (see Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article)! So this is really a more general appeal; even if you don't want to comment on my nominee specifically, have a look through FAC and see if there is anything you feel comfortable commenting on and please do so (even if it's just a "comment" with feedback rather than an "oppose" or "support"). Cheers. -- Shudde talk 20:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Sports bio requires copyedit[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I've submitted an article about mountain bike legend Kathy Lynch to GA review and the reviewer is suggesting that it needs a good copyedit; he finds the "prose tough going". Well, I'm not a native English speaker, so maybe somebody else might want to lend a hand? That would be much appreciated. Schwede66 03:06, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I attempted to change the title of the "Notes" section to "References", but you reverted me, citing WP:CITESHORT. Even after reading that, I'm dumbfounded. There are some full citations in the Lynch article, and the CITESHORT page says that they should be in their own References section while the short cites should be in a Notes section. It looks like you're asking for GA rating for an article that has no References. Akld guy (talk) 03:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
The book in 'References' is the reference; the preceding section has the short citations, and the long citations not from that book. That's the usual way of dealing with it, as far as I know. A 'see also' section is something completely different; see MOS:ALSO. Appreciate your help, but it needs to align with the manual of style. Schwede66 03:46, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't know why you mentioned "See also", because I never raised that issue here (I admit I was wrong on that). I can only assume you meant it as a further dismissal of me because I raised an issue. For an example of how "Notes" and "References" should be used together, see the bottom of Jack the Ripper. I find it disturbing that GA rating is asked for when there is no reference section, not to mention at least one other major problem with the article. Akld guy (talk) 03:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

High Commissioner from New Zealand to the United Kingdom[edit]

Sir Jerry Mateparae is now the High Commissioner

References & pages that need updating
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Hi Wikipedians in New Zealand! Is Scoop (website) a good source to use in a GA or FA article? I wanna use a press release from this site to reference for the information about Adele concerts' contribution to Auckland's economy Phamthuathienvan (talk) 00:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Most New Zealanders would use it and regard it as a reliable source.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Scoop mainly just republishes press releases. In that example, Regional Facilities Auckland is the author, not scoop. Mattlore (talk) 05:57, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
@Mattlore: I know. But the press release that published on Regional Facilities Auckland's website does not give the information about the STADIUM CONCERT STATISTICS like Scoop. That why I am considering to use Scoop instead of RFA because I need the number to compare each concert that contribute to Auckland's economy.—Phamthuathienvan (talk) 07:07, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
These are press releases (=primary sources) and you can't use these numbers like you want to, you need to get them from a secondary source. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Stuart is correct. Scoop is a primary source. NealeFamily (talk) 04:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
@Stuartyeates, NealeFamily Like I said, I need these numbers to compare each concert that contributed to Auckland's economy in early 2017. I actually don't want to use Scoop as a reference and try to avoid using it but I don't know why the original publisher, which is Regional Facilities Auckland (RFA), did not provide STADIUM CONCERT STATISTICS. I tried to google these numbers on Internet but no reliable source mentions them (except Scoop) :((Phamthuathienvan (talk) 08:04, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
There will always be true things we can't say while remaining an encyclopedia. This may be one of them. Stuartyeates (talk) 11:04, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know what you mean @Stuartyeates. So press release from Scoop or even RFA can not be used? Phamthuathienvan (talk) 12:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Industry and commerce[edit]

Just to note that with all our articles about our cities and towns and local councils and their mayors and culture etc we never seem to report on how the residents win their bread - even if it is just servicing the farming community. Just a Thought. Eddaido (talk) 04:20, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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