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Infobox for New Zealand towns and villages

I just created a small article about a village in New Zealand, and looked for an infobox template I could use on there, but couldn't find one suitable. The article is Arundel, New Zealand and all I've been able to do was to include a map so far. Is there a suitable infobox template? Regards, Hebrides (talk) 19:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The standard infobox for settlements of any size is {{Infobox Settlement}}. That said, there's not much information in the article that would be useful in one. Infoboxes are entirely optional, and personally I think the article is fine without one. Cheers. Liveste (talkedits) 22:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Truth in Numbers

Anyone know if the film Truth in Numbers, the first doco all about WP, is gunna show at the pitchers in NZ? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Special Investigation Group

Some extra eyes to check this article for NPOV please? I don't know enough about NZ politics. Thanks! - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

James and Mary Wallis

I would like other users opinions of this article. The creator is a new editor who says his reason for joining wiki is specifically for this purpose. The subject appears to be notable but I'm not sure that that content is sufficiently encyclopedic and may be disproportionate. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ 11:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I see no problem with there being an article: Being the first European settlers in any NZ town is inherently notable, and most early missionaries are fairly well documented. I think it needs more inline citations though, especially for the timeline notes. The map also needs to have a course cited for the information it contains. If modified to show other mission stations it would be an excellent resource for other missionary articles.
It's a fair assumption that there is some degree of conflict of interest from the author. So long as there are sources, I don't think the article is too long, rather that through lack of time and effort, our articles on many other New Zealand pioneers are too short. dramatic (talk) 22:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the editor has a conflict of interest - is it more of a case of documenting something of interest? I agree with User:Dramatic in that other articles may be too short. It seems the James and Mary Wallis were quite notable Wesleylan missionaries. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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Please weigh in on a requested page move involving Waikato and Waikato (disambiguation): Talk:Waikato. --Una Smith (talk) 21:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

New Zealand river articles

Hi all - a considerable number of stubs on New Zealand rivers have just ben created - almost all of them simply contain the text "The Foo River is a river in New Zealand", along with a survey reference. If anyone knows anything about these rivers - even if only whereabouts in NZ they are, then help would be appreciated in adding the regional category (e.g., Category:Bay of Plenty) and the relevant regional geo-stub (e.g., replacing {{NewZealand-geo-stub}} with {{Otago-geo-stub}}). More info would also be useful, of course, but sorting them by region would be a good place to start. All of these stubs are currently to be found in Category:New Zealand geography stubs. Grutness...wha? 02:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I've had a quick look at the Otago / Southland rivers from A to K tonight, giving very brief notes as to where they are. I will try to get the rest done tomorrow night if I get the chance. Daveosaurus (talk) 11:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Royal New Zealand Air Force Copyright

Hi, I did not find any adequate template for the RNZAF copyright. The RNZAF writes:
CROWN COPYRIGHT 2002- 2009: Material featured on this site is subject to Crown copyright protection unless otherwise indicated. The Crown copyright protected material may be reproduced free of charge in any format or media without requiring specific permission.
This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not being used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context. Where the material is being published or issued to others, the source and copyright status must be acknowledged."[1] I would be glad if you could help. Cobatfor 22:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think {{Non-free New Zealand Crown Copyright}} is the appropriate tag. I understand "reproduced accurately" to mean no derivative work/alteration, needs to uploaded here rather than Commons. With "the source ... must be acknowledged", best to include "RNZAF website" and the URL to the specific webpage where the image came from. Also, as the legal page says, images credited to a third party aren't covered. XLerate (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Sadly this does not work for Commons. Cobatfor 07:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
That's right, it shouldn't - a Commons requirement is being able to make a derivative work. XLerate (talk) 08:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Regional categories and articles

Following on from the recent renaming of the article on Tasman to Tasman Region, I'd like to propose a fairly substantial change to the names of some of our NZ articles and categories. Before taking any of the categories to CFD, though, I'd like to run it by here and WPNZ first to see whether it would be worthwhile.

At the moment, the articles on our various official regions are titled in a fairly haphazard way. We have Wellington Region, Otago, and Canterbury, New Zealand, for instance. This could make for confusion - the article Gisborne, New Zealand is about both the city and region, Bay of Plenty is abotu both the region and the bay itself, and there's been seemingly neverending discussion about what Waikato is about. Several of the regions also shared their names with the old provinces, each of which has (or should have) its own article. Some regions have different names for different categories - we have Category:Marlborough, New Zealand and Category:Marlborough Region geography stubs, and Northland Region is the key article in Category:Northland, New Zealand (Southland is also like this).

I'd like to propose that the main articles for each of the regions, and any categories named for those regions, be in the form Foo Region (e.g., Otago Region, Bay of Plenty Region). As far as I know, we don't share any region names with regions of other countries (despite there being other Canterburies and Marlboroughs, there is no other Canterbury Region or Marlborough Region).

This would leave:

No change.
Currently at Bay of Plenty / Category:Bay of Plenty - four subcategories also use this format
Currently at Canterbury, New Zealand (with redirect from above name) / Category:Canterbury, New Zealand - four subcategories also use this form
Article is at Gisborne, New Zealand (with redirect from above form); category is as is (currently uses Gisborne, not East Cape), as are all its subcategories
Currently at Hawke's Bay / Category:Hawke's Bay - four subcategories use this form, and one more uses "Hawke's Bay region"
Currently at Manawatu-Wanganui / Category:Manawatu-Wanganui - four subcategories use this form
article is at Marlborough, New Zealand (with redirect from above); category is at Category:Marlborough, New Zealand - all but one of the subcategories already use "Marlborough Region"
article is at Nelson, New Zealand (with redirect from above); category is as is, as are all subcats except Category:Nelson, New Zealand, which is about the city
Article name as is; category currently at Category:Northland, New Zealand - four subcategories also use this form
article is at Otago; category is at Category:Otago - three subcategories also use this form
Article name as is; category currently at Category:Southland, New Zealand - two subcategories also use this form, and a third uses simply "Southland"
article is at Taranaki; category is at Category:Taranaki - four subcategories also use this form
article is as is; category is at Category:Tasman, New Zealand - three subcategories also use this form
article is at Waikato; category is at Category:Waikato - two subcategories also use this form, another two use "Waikato Region"
No change.
article is at West Coast, New Zealand, category is at Category:West Coast, New Zealand - four subcategories also use this form.

So that would require moving 11 articles and 52 categories (possibly more articles, given there are things like List of schools in Otago). It's a fair amount of worth, but most of it would be by bot (after CFD) - I think it'd be worthwhile in the long run. Any thoughts? Grutness...wha? 10:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

A complicating factor is that districts sometimes span more than one region; Taupo District spans four. This complicates dividing geographical articles by region. For the "List of schools in <region>" articles, I have to date ignored this, and simply put the schools in Stratford District within List of schools in Taranaki, New Zealand, even though part of Stratford District is in the Manawatu-Wanganui Region.
For articles on rivers, it might make sense to put them into categories based on region, because the regions are based on watersheds, but for other geographical articles, I'd prefer to see us move towards categorisation by district/territorial authority.-gadfium 10:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'd wager good money that more people identify with the region they're in than the district - certainly if I were looking for an article on Arrowtown, say, I'd expect to look in an Otago regional category rather than a Queenstown-Lakes district one. But that's not the point I'm trying to make - we currently do use regions for all articles, bujt the category and article names are all over the shop. The only thing I'm concerned about is trying to get all the categories and articles named uniformly - it makes little sense having articles called Auckland Region, Otago, and Marlborough, New Zealand. It's also worth noting that most district articles are at Foo District - doing the same with the regions would be sensible IMO, especially in cases where there can be major confusion (e.g., Gisborne (city or region), Bay of Plenty (bay or region)). Grutness...wha? 11:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd be wary of going strictly by regional council boundaries. The problem is that there is no single obvious way of describing an area unit larger than a territorial local authority. Regional councils aren't anywhere near as visible as city or district councils, and some regional council boundaries don't fit what broad geographic area people think they belong in (such as the Canterbury region also including Kurow, Otematata and Omarama; and Kaikoura). Land district and old provincial boundaries also diverge from common assumptions (Kingston is in Southland Land District; East Gore was in Otago Province). Going too far too soon could end up opening a big can of worms. Daveosaurus (talk) 12:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with naming the categories and primary article "Foo Region", and setting categories at Commons the same also (which are all "Region of Foo" at the moment[2]). "Foo Region" are the names used in the legislation.[3]
This would make one simple, uniform system, rather than the mixture at the moment - common name, country dab (Canterbury, New Zealand), as well as legislation name. XLerate (talk) 11:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this proposal. For the Gisborne and Nelson regions, I would favour splitting the regional material out of the existing articles immediately to form new Region articles rather than renaming the articles, which are primarily about the cities.

I suggest the proposal be extended to Districts as well, so we have each district with both an article and category, as in Far North District and Category:Far North District. Where there are current articles which combine information about a district and its major city, eg Wairoa, then the article should not be renamed, but at some point the material on the district should be split out into its own article.

An exception might be Chatham Islands, and Category:Chatham Islands. The Chatham Islands are a special territorial authority, but I think it would be unintuitive to rename the article or the category to "Chatham Islands Region" or to "Chatham Islands District"

I'm not sure how to deal with the cities which are also territorial authorities, since many cities will need disambiguation whether called eg "Hamilton" or "Hamilton City". I think we could leave this part of the problem for a later date.-gadfium 20:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree entirely about the Chatham Islands. I don't think many cities will need disambiguation, though - intuitively, Hamilton, New Zealand would be about the city - this is the main way that town and city articles are done on Wikipedia worldwide. If anything the way thing are at the moment is counterintuitive - I'd automatically expect Gisborne, New Zealand to be about the city, but it's about both the town and the region. It'd be relatively straightforward to turn it into two separate articles, with hatnotes if necessary linking the the other article in each case. That's pretty much what we already do with Whangarei and Whangarei District and the like. Grutness...wha? 23:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to go ahead with this on a piecemeal basis, starting with some of the less controversial or problematic ones - I'm taking Category:Northland, New Zealand and its subtypes to WP:CFD. Grutness...wha? 23:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Location maps

Rather than having a map created for every location in NZ we should use Template:Location map if it is part on the approp infobox. Template:Infobox settlement has the ability to have a generic NZ map with a marked location. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

We have these available location maps for New Zealand so far. Grutness produces the maps and I integrate them into the location map system.-gadfium 03:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but my pin comes out slightly off at Ngawi, New Zealand (compare the pin in the map to where you see it on Google Maps if you click through). Lanma726 (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
The location maps depend on accurate borders being entered at, in this case, Template:Location map New Zealand North Island. I entered these borders by estimating the latitude and longitude of the edges of the map, but it is difficult to make this estimation when the borders do not include land. You may be able to determine these coordinates more accurately. The South Island map coordinates are probably even less accurate. See User talk:Gadfium/archive49#Cust map.-gadfium 03:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Molluscs of New Zealand (and elsewhere)

Hi folks, just wondered if you are OK about having more than a thousand articles in your project that are about the various species of molluscs that live in your general vicinity. Some of the land snails and even some of the marine species do appear to be endemic, but a lot of the marine species live elsewhere in the Indo-Pacific, so are not New Zealand specialities. It's no skin off my nose either way, but I just wondered what you thought about this question. Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

They're not as cute and cuddly as our national icons, the kiwi and tuatara, but perhaps more so than the weta. We're a tolerant and inclusive WikiProject, so we're happy to adopt some molluscs, and we don't discriminate against bivalves.
Those molluscs which are not endemic should be dropped from the WikiProject, but it might be more trouble than its worth to go through all the articles within category:Molluscs of New Zealand and determine endemicity.-gadfium 01:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Gadfium. When I have more time, if I notice species that I know occur all over the Indo-Pacific, I will remove your project tag, if you feel that's OK. Invertzoo (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessessment of Crowded House

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List of 1888–1889 New Zealand Native football team matches

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GA reassessment of Hayley Westenra

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Hayley Westenra/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the problems with dead links, and Jezhotwells has confirmed that the article retains GA status.-gadfium 01:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Air New Zealand and Auckland City

I have added the information that Air New Zealand, the national airline of New Zealand and a major airline and corporation, is headquartered in Auckland City, which is comparable in population to Fort Worth, Texas (in 2000). Some users have continued to remove this information, saying that because the information about Auckland City's economy is incomplete, it should not be listed. I strongly oppose this concept, especially considering the fact that {{expand|section}} exists and that, the information about the headquarters is sourced to reliable publications that have written in detail articles about the headquarter facilities, which are located in the City of Auckland. We know how many people (about) work at the central HQ facility (about 1,000) and we know the market capitalization of Air New Zealand. Air New Zealand has a market capitalization of 1,331,553,351 [4]. Writing about a company with this market capitalization and 1,000 employees at the central headquarters says a lot about Auckland City. See Talk:Auckland_City#Economy WhisperToMe (talk) 07:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be better to describe the economy as Gadfium says, and then have one or two example / prominent companies - I feel the cart is going before the horse at the moment. XLerate (talk) 08:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with that sentiment. Auckland City and its CBD is important and deserves a thorough treatment of its economy rather than too much focus on just one company. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
1. I have seen countless documents that have described the economy of the CBD in particular, but so far I have found nothing describing an overall economic summary of Auckland City as a whole. - EDIT: I found this info.
2. You could say they are important, but with no reliable sources describing exactly what is in Auckland CBD, one has to put what he or she has. What you see is all I have so far. I have found some news reports about the state of Auckland City's economy in 2009, so I'll add that to the Auckland City article. EDIT: In the article I found the manager stated which industries dominate Auckland City. Hopefully I'll find more sources which describe its economy as a whole.
3. This is why the {{expand|section}} exists - Because it is possible to tag a section to say this section is incomplete, it's not kosher to remove incomplete information. Yes, it is true that an economic summary of Auckland City is needed, but that doesn't mean one should remove what we have so far.
4. The report states clearly that only three of the largest New Zealand companies (as of 2003) have their head offices in Auckland City; so while a lot of workers are there, of the largest companies only three have their main offices there.
5. Part of the reason why Air NZ has more text is because its particular headquarters facilities are discussed in detail in reliable sources. I am not sure I will find reports regarding the headquarters of the other two companies with head offices in Auckland City.
WhisperToMe (talk) 15:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

use of as a source

I notice that some articles have as a source. Am I right in thinking that as a political pressure group the Sensible Sentencing Trust is not considered a reliable impartial source? On the positive side most of the pages wikipedia links to have at least one (but usually only one) source (usually a new article), so maybe we should link directly to that? Stuartyeates (talk) 09:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think links to specific articles on partisan websites are okay, where those articles are primarily factual rather than opinion. However, at least some of the articles at the Sensible Sentencing Trust add too much opinion. I'm looking at the link from Bega schoolgirl murders as an example. This article is used to reference two facts; that he grew up in Opotiki, and that he is liable for deportation back to NZ at the end of his sentence. The last paragraph (the one in italics), which calls him "this creature", makes this an undesirable reference. There also appears to be a problem with copyright in this link, as they appear to republish an article from the Otago Daily Times. It would be preferable for us to link directly to the newspaper if it is available online, or to an equivalent source. There are numerous google hits for '"Lindsay Hoani Beckett" Opotiki', and at least one is likely to be a satisfactory reference. The suggestion that he will be deported appears to be speculation, and should be removed from our article.-gadfium 20:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
List of links to from Wikipedia, for convenience.-gadfium 21:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I've looked at many of those pages, and where possible updated them to point to non-partisan sites. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

LINZ50 topo maps

I am active in New Zealand topics in german wiki, so i am interested in good maps. The new LINZ50 topographic maps of New Zealand can be downloaded for free at LINZ webpage, but other people appear to have the same idea to... so my 54Mbit connection downloads with only 2kb/sec = quite annoying. Are there any faster mirrors or has anybody a ftp download for the maps ? -- Andy king50 (talk) 16:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I get actual speed around 300 kilobytes / sec downloading maps from LINZ, max speed for my connection, trying it now is the same. I don't know if you've tried with the new faster viewing option? You can get to maximum detail with two zooms. XLerate (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thanks... I did not know this page. For most working purposes it is a good alternative. -- Andy king50 (talk) 06:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Update: the speed problem seems to be restricted to highly polulated areas and work days. Weekend download for low pop. areas are much better using multiple downloads. Server itself runs with at least 2 MBit/s in low res maps..-- Andy king50 (talk) 10:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC).

Maori terms

As a foreigner reading about New Zealand, articles such as Te Reo (TV) are just about unintelligible, containing Maori words and phrases without translation or linking to an explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Good point, though - apart from the programme names and presenter names, there are only four terms which should be problematic, and one of them (Te reo Maori) was linked. The others, (kapa haka, kaumatua, and tikanga) are all now linked, though the article still looks suspiciously like a copyvio from somewhere and needs to be put into a more Wikipedia-like form. Grutness...wha? 08:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thanks for linking, at least the term problem should be fixed. -- Andy king50 (talk) 11:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Popular pages

I've signed us up at the toolserver for stats on the most-visited pages tagged with WPNZ. This will appear as WikiProject New Zealand/Popular Pages once approved. dramatic (talk) 07:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Great. I didn't know this was an option.-gadfium 08:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Fantastic, took about a week to do manually last year. Will it include redirects (e.g. Maori)? XLerate (talk) 09:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Any progress on this? Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Popular Pages is still a redlink.-gadfium 19:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
They get created at the beginning of the month. Check again next week. And I think it will probably be called Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Popular pages. John Carter (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Government of New Zealand

I think we need a Government of New Zealand article. It is current a redir to Politics of New Zealand. Governance is different to, but linked to politics. Some of the stuff in the latter article is more applicable to the former. Note that there is already a Category:Government of New Zealand and a Governments of New Zealand article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Cat for renaming

I have put an NZ cat up for renaming at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 November 1. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject New Zealand to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 00:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, thank you. XLerate (talk) 01:12, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Astonishing blip in stats

I expected a blip in the pageview stats for Caversham, New Zealand when it went on the fromnt page on Nov 30 -and was not disappointed (viewcount). It pushed Caversham into the top list mentioned above.

What I didn't expect was the 'collateral fallout" -have a look at the spikes on Nov 30 for these connected articles: Dunedin, Dunedin Southern Motorway, South Dunedin, William Henry Valpy, Dunedin Southern Cemetery, Otago, the South Island... that last one is particularly impressive. Even New Zealand seems to have picked up some extra hits...

Seems that having a front page feature does a lot of good to the pageviews of many related articles trough "browsing". Grutness...wha? 23:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Odd page

Something is off with Talk:Yr Head Is A Rock. It seems like a talk page for a redirect page? That's just odd. Maybe a loose end from something? Stuartyeates (talk) 07:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

It looks to be a loose end per this edit, I think the talk page could be redirected to Talk:Shihad (album) also. XLerate (talk) 10:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

FYI: Large list of NZ bios

Just a heads up that I have placed a list of roughly 3,000 NZ individuals (Or individuals present in the NZ dictionary of biographies) in the requested articles section of this project page. Cheers!Calaka (talk) 05:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom

A vote to move Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom to Elizabeth II is being held at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. —what a crazy random happenstance 02:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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WikiProject New Zealand music

How about a sub-WikiProject of WikiProject New Zealand Music? It would be similar to WikiProject Australian music, with articles' talk pages still wearing the {{WPNZ}} badge, but with a |music=yes parameter. There are many articles relating to New Zealand music, so wouldn't it be a good idea to organise a WikiProject simply for their purpose? Adabow (talk) 09:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

With or without a WikiProject New Zealand Music I think it might be a good idea to start creating Year in New Zealand music articles (see also the section below). 2010 in New Zealand music or 2009 in New Zealand music would be a start. These could use the same format as 2010 in Canadian music or 2009 in British music. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Definitely support this, DerbyCountyinNZ! Adabow (talk) 05:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Year in New Zealand articles

A new user has attempted to add the following sections to 2010 in New Zealand: "Visits from the Famous and Royals around the world" and "Bands/Artist on Tour". I think these are an excessive trivialisation of the sort of sections that should be included on year pages. I can find no other instance of these categories being used in Year in Country articles (although I haven't checked them all, just the most obvious ones). There would undoubtedly be endless arguments about who qualifies as 'Famous', the only exceptions would probably be the Monarch of the UK and the Pope (if those tours involved large-scale public parades). The vast majority of musical acts visiting NZ could hardly be considered notable even on a year by year basis (the exception would probably be The Beatles). Annual events, such as the Big Day Out, are excluded from Year articles although they persist in Year in Music articles. If the were Year in New Zealand music articles (as there are for some other countries) visiting artists would belong there.

Opinions on this? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. State visits etc. are General events items and don't need a subsection. Heck, we need something to fill in general events! Concerts etc. aren't needed - unless, as you say, they are news events. I would like to start an economy section, but never having tried to understand economics, I'm not sure which available stats are most important or useful. dramatic (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree that these events don't need separate sections, but we have set the bar too high if the events section does not receive any updates in a month. I think William's visit is not unreasonable to include, especially as he represented the Queen for the first time while he was here.-gadfium 01:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I like the economy section idea - statistics I can suggest are
  • GDP with annual % change, per capita, and by sector %
  • Inflation
  • Unemployment
  • Official Cash Rate
  • USD exchange rate
  • Balance of payments
although what's available historically maybe another matter. XLerate (talk) 01:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I've just tidied up the recently added New Zealander of the Year section (which obviously also needs its own article) and noticed that the Art & Lit, Music, Television etc sections don't seem to make sense and have been poorly and inconsistently formatted even over just the last few years. If anyone else has suggestions on the best format for these it would be a great help (I won't be able to give it any serious thought until next week). Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Peter Pennell

Peter Craig Pennell, Air Force navigator in WWII. Can anybody help with this? He seems to have been famous at the time, but I've gone as far as Google will take me. DGG ( talk ) 22:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I know a Kiwi who flew bombers in WW2 who is still alive (can't be too many of them). I've sent him an e-mail to see whether he can help. If he can help, how can I get his contact details to you in a more private manner? (by the way, I've amended your item and wikilinked to the subject) Schwede66 00:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, here's the response - "xxx doesn't know Peter Pennell. Sorry. He also thinks that Canberra bombers were flown late in the war. Have you contacted the Airforce Museum at Wigram?" Sounds like a reasonable suggestion to me - would surprise me if they couldn't help. Schwede66 07:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The Canberra bomber did not become operational until 1951. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 07:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
One claim to notability seems dubious. (See the article's talk page.) -- Avenue (talk) 09:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
And up for deletion. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Studylink article

Studylink redirects to Ministry of Social Development (New Zealand) as I write this, and is only covered by a sentence or two. This organization seems important enough to have its own article, since it must have tens of thousands of student clients. I could probably write a bit about it but I can't easily locate any external sources to show its notability. If anyone could suggest some I might create an article on it - does anyone know of some reliable independent sources that discuss Studylink as the subject of an article/book etc? Richard001 (talk) 11:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

role of maori in women's suffrage being achieved


please would u include details of how maori seats etc and maori played role in development of womens suffrage eg in votes to bring it in195.188.208.250 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 February 28#Category:Australasia

Your input is welcome. Cheers, postdlf (talk) 23:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:New Zealand English

FYI, {{New Zealand English}} has been nomiated for deletion. (talk) 05:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Heliacal rising

I've removed Talk:Heliacal rising from WPNZ. The article does mention the Maori (amongst other groups of people), but the subject is of global scope and hasn't been added to any other such wikiproject. Please do revert my change if I've misunderstood anything. –Syncategoremata (talk) 23:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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It might be interesting to compare the output against our existing list. I presume the bot would overwrite our marking of items as fixed? dramatic (talk) 09:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
The bot will probably not be as good as your manual list, except daily the bot will automatically remove articles that no longer have the unreferenced BLP tag on them.
Great point :) I will be interested in the results, and will watch this page. Okip 04:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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New Zealand Emissions Trading Scheme

Some adjudication may be needed at Talk:New Zealand Emissions Trading Scheme. Mrfebruary (talk) 22:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Robert Lawson (architect)

I have just rated the importance of Robert Lawson (architect) to WPNZ and saw that it is a former featured article! At the moment it is currently B-Class, and I thought someone might like to request a peer review and/or nominate it for good article status. I won't get too involved, as I know nothing about the topic, but it seems like this could easily make GA, so could someone with a bit more knowledge of the area please give it a bit of attention? Thanks, Adabow (talk) 10:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


It's been quite a while now since the last meetup in Auckland. I wouldn't mind going to one this year some time, maybe around June/July? I haven't really been working on New Zealand articles that much that I can think of (the closest I can think of recently is the Asian paper wasp entry I started), but would like to meet some more contributors, keep the meetup thing going, and talk about promotion of Wikipedia contribution. I'm interested in hosting some seminars and public lectures about Wikipedia at the University of Auckland too.

We would need to promote the meetup early and effectively beforehand to get a good turnout. It might be good to try to have roughly simultaneous meetups in other areas, maybe Wellington and Christchurch, if there are enough people to come (I feel bad that only Auckland ever has meetups, but don't particularly want to go far to one myself). Richard001 (talk) 10:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

There's this: Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 5. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh. How did I not hear about it (possibly by not watching my watchlist at all, but...)? Can't be very good promotion of the event if active people can miss it, though I guess there is still time to tell others. Richard001 (talk) 09:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you help with a triple DYK nomination?

I'm expanding the article on John Evans Brown, and it would be great if others could chip in and you'll get DYK credits in return. Please see the talk page - there are some good sources listed that can be worked in.

The aim is to submit a triple DYK about Brown and his three brothers in law that were all MPs in the New Zealand Parliament. Two of the articles are new (from today and yesterday), whereas the page on Garrick has been around for a few weeks. My suggested DYK submission is:

portrait photo of John Thomas Peacock, showing a grey-haired older man with full beard in formal clothes

Requested move

There is a proposal on the WikiProject New Zealand/governments talk page to move the page to Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics, thus broadening the scope of the project. There's been very little discussion so far. Can you please comment on the government talk page if you have an opinion? Schwede66 00:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

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Gary Brain

Could someone please have a look at Gary Brain. It's been up for a while and shows no real progress in wikification. Additionally, as indicated by File talk:Brain receving grammy award for conducting finest orchestra cd for 1997.jpg some claims in the article may have been insufficiently qualified. I'd propose the page for deletion myself, but I have a real-world COI on this one. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The pic say "Grammy", the text says "Grammy/Echo prize". It is definitely not a Grammy, and there is no source for the Grammy?Echo prize claim. The text of that section is extremely poor to the point that I would be tempted to remove it entirely unless references can be found (I'm not going to search further). DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 06:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi? This interests me somewhat

So? I whipped into the NZSO website & grabbed this result?
As maybe the "spelling" for your article is only "phonetically" spelt?

Results 1 - 4 from a total of 4 for "Gary Brain".

The last is this

2009 Discography

JANACEK: Orchestral Suites from the Operas Peter Breiner, music director of the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, has done us a service in arranging... news_and_media/2009_discography - 100%


I may of course - be miles off the mark.. but I will dig deeper
Ok -so? It's NOT in NZ?

Amazon has this CD ?

Here is the excert - from a google result. Gary Brain - Classical: Music1 by Philharmonia Orchestra of London (Orchestra), Gary Brain (Conductor), ... (Conductor), and Czeslaw Marek (Composer) by Koch Schwann (Audio CD - 1997) ... - Cached - Similar

& the search header
About 35,100 results (0.30 seconds)

Does this help? Roxburgh NZ (talk) 19:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC) Roxburgh NZ (talk) 19:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


I "found" it?

OneSquared's Presentation of Brian Harmer's WYSIWYG New Zealand ...19 Sep 1997 ... New Zealand-born conductor Gary Brain has won classical music's ... The conductor and the London Philharmonia Orchestra won the Echo award for their .... Date: 18 September 1997 Brian Dooley Wellington, NZ CURRENCIES The ... - Cached - Similar

Reference:- SAME RESULTS PAGE - just lower down.


AND - (in my own words) - although NOT a Grammy as such... It was the Classical musical "style" EQUIVALENT - (to the grammy) - and as such WAS - in classical music terminology - a "grammy"

Midway down - on WYSIWYG New Zealand News as the "EDITORS" ARTICLE

WYSIWYG New Zealand News

19 September 1997 Copyright © 1995 Brian Harmer

dated Tuesday, 16 September (of which there are FOUR entries)
this GRAMMY ARTICLE - IS the last (woohoo - I found something - CONCRETE)

Cheers - This has made my day - THANKYOU for allowing me to help

Roxburgh NZ (talk) 20:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Roxburgh NZ, as well as the rest of the "lower" South Island (via videos, photos & general LOCAL knowledge)

(re- the ONLY section- on Wikipedia:Roxburgh, NZ - "entitled" thus- is incorrect) --- Entertainment ---

View of the Clutha River towards Roxburgh Bridge.

Roxburgh has New Zealand's oldest operating cinema. Located in Scotland Street, it opened in October 1898 as is still operating. The cinema seats 258 persons and is one of only four cinemas left in Central Otago. Live shows are also performed

MAJOR EDITING is hereby being given (unbiased) by a local resident

every saturday, since major restoration was recently completed [exact citation of completion date needed].

These weekly screenings are usually advertised up to three weeks in advance, via the weekly published Teviot Bulletin , and some important screenings are often given longer lead-in times - especially when special films are "coming soon" (such as the locally produced films of- In His Fathers Den, & The Lord of The Rings Trilogy).

Roxburgh NZ (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

References source:- Teviot Bulletin (a free circulation that is usually printed in back & white - except on special occasions when colour is used - and consists of two sheets of double side printing A4 - which has recently expanded to a fifth page - and is delivered on Fridays to every household in the "triangulated" areas of Raes Junction at the southern point, Heriot to the west, & as far north as Fruitlands).

Reference source - locally obtained by author - can be quickly be verified direct with the Teviot Bulletin Publishing Staff


phone +64-3-4468-894
fax +64-3-4468-704 or
via email

Although the author Roxburgh NZ (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC) could abtain permission indirectly, it is advised that Wikipedia Admin obtain direct permission to "upload" copied details of printed copyright materials - directly - from the teviot bulletin Staff

As the author is an avid video "partaker" (via two Nokia 6120Classic - 3G cellphones)

The author Roxburgh NZ (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC) is easily willing to take & or make - upon Wikipedia Admin Request - as many photos & videos of the whole general area (from as far south a Bluff - to as far north as Timaru & maybe sometimes Christchurch) ... for inclusion in either this article - or for insertion into any of the many others subject projects within this lower South Island of New Zealand - (being the home turf_area - that the author has resided "in" for 56yrs)

The author already HAS ... several films already running on (most available for downloading in mp4 format according to my edit page?) - depicting not only the Roxburgh area & many of it's surrounds, including some very descriptive videos on the Fruitlands Goldfeild Days & on Mitchels Historic Cottage to be precise, as well as a video sequence of both stills & video footage - from Roxburgh to Queenstown & The Crown Range Road, involving the added inclusion of comentated footage - on three Snow Cat Machines at Shingle Creek, between Roxburgh & Fruitlands, but several into & around lower Canterbury - and even some unique views into & around Auckland - (and if needed - the audio re-masters which accompany them - can be muted - so as to not detract from the scenery)

Roxburgh NZ (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC) Sincerely trying to be ever helpfull - & especially going well out of ones way, to showcase the area & environs, flora & fauna - (mostly to foreign hitch-hikers) Roxburgh NZ (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC) My verification can also be easily checked via


Roxburgh NZ (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh & P.S... My elderly father is a literal bank of photographic memory - and at 96 is still vividly co-herent and a much sought after - research resource of LOCAL knowledge - (by others) as he has lived almost his entire LIFE - in the Manuherikia Valley, (apart from 20 or so years of annual "winter" excursions all around Australia & has done similar "exploits" in Germany in WW2)

Roxburgh NZ (talk) 18:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Any photographs you've taken yourself, you can upload to Wikipedia without any "permission" as such from the Admins (except the limitations of internet speed in your area). Just follow the instructions while uploading and remember to confirm that they are your own work and that Wikipedia can use them. I'm no photographer, but I've taken a couple of quick snaps of towns while travelling and they haven't been deleted out of the system (see the Wyndham, New Zealand or Henley, New Zealand pages for examples). Lists of places that could do with photos include and . This isn't an exhaustive list - for example, if you have any photographs that you've taken of Kelso before it became a ghost town, I reckon that one would be a real asset to Wikipedia, even though the town isn't on the list. Just be warned when contributing that I find your writing style very difficult to read; if you contribute much textual information you'll find that other people will edit it and reformat it and hack it around to make it fit the style of the article.Daveosaurus (talk) 08:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Calling all NZ military history buffs

Hi all, this is just a friendly hello to let you know that the Military History project has undergone some changes recently which have resulted in a merge between the Australian task force and the New Zealand task force to create a new task force called the Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history task force. We currently have very few active New Zealand members, so if you are interested in getting involved please stop by. The task force can be found here: WP:ANZSP. There is a list of articles that are requested and others that need expansion. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 22:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Edward Cephas John Stevens

Can someone take a quick look at Edward Cephas John Stevens and see if you think it can be nominated as a GA? I think it meets the criteria, but I may be jumping the gun here. Adabow (talk) 06:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Request for project help on St. Mark's Anglican Church, Remuera, Auckland

I removed a PROD from this yesterday and added some project templates to the discussion. Maybe someone from this project can bring the article up to standards and add some additional sources. Maybe from here. Thanks. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:34, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the page as-is needs a copyvio speedydelete, which I've just tagged it for, the original editor pretty much copy-pasted the article from the church's website. I'd suggest writing it from scratch in userspace or a project subpage instead. --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I've also notified WP:Anglican of this. --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 14:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Ben Hana

Ben Hana, aka Blanket Man. In need of serious, urgent clean-up, probably a re-write. A deletion may be in order even. Adabow (talk) 10:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I've done a cleanup, but there's still stuff I couldn't verify with a quick Google News search. I'm going to keep an eye on it in case of vandalism, though. --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 11:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Timeline of New Zealand history

I am intending to get Timeline of New Zealand history of to FL status. You can help by adding (or removing) events that are (or are not) notable enough to be in it. If you can reference stuff, that's great; if not, I am doing a sweep to find a ref for each entry. Adabow (talk) 09:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

...and on the subject of featured lists...

I've requested a peer review of List of former territorial authorities in New Zealand as a first step towards getting it to FL status. dramatic (talk) 07:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Use of this page?

Considering we have this noticeboard, shouldn't this talk page be kept for discussions around the WikiProject itself? At the moment they seem very similar, just with different discussions. Adabow (talk) 10:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

possibly - it's hard to tell which page is followed by more people. I put my entry (above) on this page because the alertbot (which would normally list peer reviews on the project page) is broken. dramatic (talk) 10:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
This tool is useful for telling how many people watch a given page, as long as there's at least 30 watchers of said page. Currently it's 119 for this page and 126 for the noticeboard. --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 10:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
...and I bet you that of those, at least 100 watch both lists. Which brings us back to Adabow's question. Schwede66 13:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Agree with Schwede66, that's exactly what I thought - and that it would probably make sense to have one page for discussion, since the aims/audiences of both are effectively the same. Kahuroa (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
The paragraph at the top of this page already recommends using this page for discussing the WikiProject, and the noticeboard for issues regarding NZ-related articles. This seems logical enough, but in practice the two pages are being used for more or less the same thing – with little discussion about the WikiProject itself. This being the case, I also prefer using one page for all discussions. WP:NZWNB seems to be the (slightly) more popular of the two, and so I recommend redirecting this page there (the Australian solution, if you will). Liveste (talkedits) 20:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Checking back, WPNZ was founded in September '04, but it's talk page wasn't used until September '05. The noticeboard was started in November '04. On the one hand, most Wikiproject talk pages seem to be for general discussion of page issues within the scope of the project, with little meta-discussion about the project itself. On the other hand, there is a well-established network of noticeboard pages, primarily country-based. Personally, I think the concept of project "membership" is limited to formulation of project policy and review/assessment teams, so the project talk should be open to all. THat weakens the distinction between "Wikipedians from X" and "belonging to a project". I guess the only practical way to merge is to redirect the noticeboard here.dramatic (talk) 01:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I think the two feasible options are:
  1. Make this page strictly for discussing the WikiProject, not its articles, or
  2. Redirect WP:NZWNB to here. Adabow (talk) 05:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────My preference would be for the first option. All it really needs is a bit of a clean up (i.e. shift all the talk from this page to the other), and then some ongoing management (say two or three people cutting and pasting new talk from this page to the other when it ended up in the wrong spot). In no time, everybody will get the hang of it. We've done exactly this with the politics task force pages (where discussions were distributed across both the talk page and the taskforce page) and it's now in top shape. Schwede66 06:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Schwede. Adabow (talk) 08:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
So unless there are any last-minute objections, that's what we'll do. Schwede66 00:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I've set up NZ:FAQ to give guidance on this. What needs to be done is to:
  • shift content that doesn't comply with the guidelines to where it belongs, and
  • develop template messages to inform editors if their items have been shifted.
Can't do it tonight, as I need some quick beauty sleep before soccer starts (got to watch Germany giving the British a bashing). Schwede66 06:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm....I was going to be a last minute objector last week, but for some reason never got round to it!. I prefer option 2. Don't see the point in having a separate page, it all relates in some shape fashion or form to the WikiProject, and since the talk page will automatically exist alongside the project page, it seems sensible to use this page and most WikiProjects I've ever passed by seem to operate this way. WikiProject page to show what the project is about, aims and tasks, permalinks and guidelines etc, talk page to discuss the project parameters and anything that comes within the boundaries of the project.--ClubOranjeT 06:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
  • I also think it is a bit ...odd... the way Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board's talk page redirects to itself. That is almost entirely but not quite exactly different to how almost every other page on Wikipedia works. What if I want to discuss the noticeboard? --ClubOranjeT 06:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Māori Battalion article

Hello all, I'm a member/co-ordinator of the Military History project and have found myself working on a rewrite of the Māori Battalion (just for a change of topic, as I usually work on Australian military history articles). Anyway, I've rewritten the article up to a B class standard, but have found over the past couple of days that the article has had pieces removed from it by a dynamic IP address. To be honest I don't have the content knowledge (I just followed what the sources said) to know whether or not the IP is correct, whether they are incorrect or if it in fact vandalism. As such, I am asking for someone who mght have a bit of specific New Zealand knowledge to take a look at the article and see whether the changes are correct or not. If they are, that's fine, just let me know and I'll back off. I rewrote the article to do the topic justice, but if I've introduced inaccuracies because of my lack of content knowledge I would be disappointed in myself for not fixing them. However, equally I don't want to allow the article to get trashed again (as it was in a poor state to start off with). Thus if anyone from this project would be so kind as taking a look and letting me know what you think, I'd be very grateful. Cheers. Take care. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

They're partially correct in that the Māori Party didn't exist until fairly recently. That said, I have a feeling that the IP is wrong to make those removals, though I don't have access to sources to back me up on this. --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 02:32, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your input. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 03:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I think the anon is confused rather than a vandal, but there is no connection between the battalion and the party. Most likely, the anon is not seeing talk page messages since their IP is dynamic. There's nothing much we can do but revert their edits. If they persist for more than a few days, we could semi-protect the article. Perhaps the second sentence, which is confusing them, could be reworded so instead of referring to "Māori MPs" it could refer to "MPs in the Māori seats".-gadfium 06:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
How about naming the MPs involved to remove any chance of confusion? This page from one of the article's listed sources mentions them as Sir Apirana Ngata, E. T. Tirikatene (Southern Maori) and P. K. Paikea (Northern Maori). Ngata was the MP for Eastern Māori at the time. Kahuroa (talk) 07:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi, thanks all for your input. The MPs themselves are currently named in the Formation section in the body of the article. I have wikilinked them now, as I didn't know they had articles themselves when I wrote that part of the article. I decided to leave the names out of the lead because I didn't want to put too much detail and unbalance the lead, but if you feel it should go in there, I'd be fine with adding it. I have slightly reworded the lead anyway to hopefully avoid confusion. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 08:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
No that sounds fine, nice work by the way. Kahuroa (talk) 08:32, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Highway infoboxes

Members of WP:HWY, with members of the Infobox Accessibility Task Force, been working on a project to consolidate all of the infoboxes for highway articles into one, {{infobox road}}. This master template currently supports 48 countries, Europe (for the supranational E-routes system) and Antarctica (for the lone "highway" there). As you can see, it supports New Zealand, and I've worked to convert the articles over on New Zealand highways. If there are any improvements to be made, please let us know so that we can upgrade the level of support and improve the articles. Our goal is to make one template with consistent display for highway articles on the English Wikipedia.

We already know that the "Major cities:" label is not optimal, and that would be our next update to make, adding a replacement parameter for destinations instead of cities. A simple AWB run can switch that over once added to the template. Additionally, in the initial conversion, I placed the tourist routes into the "alternate_name" parameter, but I had placed it initially in the "system" parameter which listed it at the bottom above the links to the highway system articles. Imzadi 1979  23:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I can't spot any discussion on the mass conversion of NZ islands here to Infobox Road, perhaps you can point us in the direction? I have reverted all the changes for now until adequate consensus is formed. Jeni (talk) 23:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
There is no consensus for this that I can see. Seems like they assumed they could just go ahead and do it Kahuroa (talk) 06:59, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
WP:BRD. --Rschen7754 16:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
WP:SIGH. So would it be possible to address the Major cities and Tourist route issues before it goes onto the NZ pages? Kahuroa (talk) 21:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes. As a side note, would there be a color scheme that's better for the header bars that separate the sections in the infobox? That is customizable by country or country, type or subtype. I'm working on the coding changes now for the two parameters discussed. Imzadi 1979  22:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Edit request made to add the two parameters, |tourist= (will appear after length and dates) and |destinations= (will appear in the locations section. Imzadi 1979  23:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
The parameters are now live and in the template, ready to use. Imzadi 1979  19:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I guess the creator of the NZ template might want to have an input there, personally I didn't mind the blue on Infobox road. 22:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
As an aside, the template already supports cities, towns and villages. In my conversion, I had converted to cities, but they could be added to any combination of the three parameters. Just today, the new article New Zealand State Highway 57 was created, and displays towns. That article was created by Lcmortensen (talk · contribs), who I believe created the NZ infoboxes initially. Imzadi 1979  23:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, thank you for (belatedly) bringing this here for discussion. To me, the change seems a waste of wikieffort.

  • The handful of people who are creating the NZ highway articles are already familiar with the existing template.
  • A template designed to accommodate the peculiarities of every highway system in the world is necessarily much more complex. This just spends more of the wikimedia foundation's CPU time. I guarantee that in a few years time someone will say "this template is trying to do too much - it should be devolved into regional ones".
  • You are adding further complexity to it to cope with our (99 maximum) articles
  • In summary, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If you do think that our template is "broke" in some aspects, it's much easier to modify our template than to convert all articles to the new one. dramatic (talk) 22:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

One comment about performance: we've been told not to worry about WMF's computing resources, per WP:PERF. Just as they are familiar with the current, editors can be just as familiar with the new. Just as there are consolidated templates for the infoboxes of all the world's different types of municipalities, there can be one consolidated template that will work for the different highway systems. The basics of a highway are the same no matter if it's in New Zealand, Japan, or Canada. They all have termini, lengths and formation dates. They all serve provinces, regions, counties, cities, towns, villages or Primary destinations. The new template has been tested for accessibility-related issues. Consolidating in the over eighty templates that have existed for highways is actually simpler than updating the eighty templates, especially when only two parameters needed to be added for NZL. Imzadi 1979  23:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
The templates are not "broke" but there are inconsistencies between the Highway & Motorway versions.
  • One uses state-highway-number and the other uses state-highway
  • One uses map-image-file and the other uses image-file
  • One has Direction and the other has Primary direction
  • One shows length as miles and the other as mi
  • One has Start and End with a clear background and the other has Start and End with a green background.
If there ends up being no consensus for using Infobox road and everyone wants to stay with a New Zealand specific infobox, then there could still be a case for merging the two inforboxes into one single infobox that works for all New Zealand roads. -- WOSlinker (talk) 12:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Well? Are there any further objections before restoring the conversions to Infobox road? --Rschen7754 06:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

There is no consensus here for conversions, full stop. From how I read this discussion, NZ members are perfectly happy with the infobox that is already used here and do not need to be converted to the American version. Jeni (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
You have already made your opinion very clear; let's let the others respond. --Rschen7754 10:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Jeni, your opinion has been noted, but as a blanket statement, it is wrong. Since this discussion was opened, a NZ editor has created an article that doesn't use the NZ-specific infobox, rather it uses infobox road. That same editor has updated another article to revert your reversion of the infobox. This same has been asked to comment here, but hasn't yet. Hopefully we'll hear from that editor soon. Additionally, please stop characterizing the infobox as "American" as it is in use in three dozen other countries in the world, many of which never created separate infoboxes. Imzadi 1979  16:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps we should give the other editor - who created the NZ infoboxes - a day or two to respond, but his edits would seem to suggest he has no objections. After those few days are up, are there any practical reasons not to go with the change? Kahuroa (talk) 08:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I'm late replying - sloppy internet connection recently. Some points I have to add:

  • I designed both templates as a direct New Zealand version of the UK motorway infobox - I didn't even know Infobox Road existed, and even then it was designed for North American roads.
  • Originally the Motorway box was designed with the Northern Motorway in mind - back then it was State Highway 1 south of Silverdale and State Highway 1A north.
  • I created the SH57 article with infobox road as a trial - it works well with State Highway 57 as there are no major complications with Tourist Routes.
  • We still have no infobox suitable for both the conditions of all-motorway State Highways (SH18 and SH20), or for touring routes.

I have no opinion on whether to keep or replace - although I do think the NZ-specific infoboxes are getting a bit old and do need to be updated if they are to be continued in use. If Infobox Road is to be used, the data for New Zealand needs to be updated to allow defaluting of the Maintenance field to the New Zealand Transport Agency, and to have State Highway Succession (e.g. SH2 article succession is SH1 before and SH3 afterwards Until there is such a consensus, I will use Infobox Road on a limited number of articles (namely SH20, SH57, Auckland Northern Motorway, Southern Scenic Route) as a showcase trial. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 05:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

By State Highway Succession - do you mean like California State Route 78 has on its infobox? If so, the functionality is already built into IBR. --Rschen7754 05:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I've added the links onto New Zealand State Highway 57. Is this what you wanted? A default maint can be set for all infoboxes be creating the link in Template:Infobox road/maint/NZL. -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
The maint template is now set up and active. I added the browser parameter values to SH20 so that it would show in addition to SH57. Imzadi 1979  23:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Re New Zealand State Highway 57- there's a typo: Motoroways and Expressways. Kahuroa (talk) 23:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks for the catch! Imzadi 1979  00:18, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

From reading the above discussion I gather that the NZ editors are okay with the conversions to Infobox road. Can these conversions thus be done? --Rschen7754 18:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I've been told by the last remaining objector that they no longer oppose the conversions, so I or someone else will do them shortly. --Rschen7754 07:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Helen Gibbins

Please take a look at this deletion discussion, if anyone has anything useful to add, please do so!--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 06:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Neil Peres Da Costa

This gentleman has been put into NZ categories, and now the WP NZ banner has been added to his talk page. But there is not one single mention of New Zealand in the article. Not one. Why is he being claimed for New Zealand? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 06:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

You mean Neal Peres Da Costa. You could ask User:Marc87 who made this edit. Moriori (talk) 06:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of Sovereign States regarding NZ's, Cook Islands' and Niue's political status

The discussion is located here. The debate is over whether the Cook Islands and Niue and sovereign states and should be included on the list. It has also been suggested that a few pages be created to this end to explain the situation, namely pages with these possible title; Political status of the Cook Islands, Political status of Niue, Political status of states in free association with New Zealand. Regards. Outback the koala (talk) 23:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

List of New Zealand ministries

Two of us are at logger headers about the use of the word 'ministries' in this article, as per the talk page. It would be great to get some external input as to whether these should be called 'governments,' 'cabinets,' 'ministries' or something else entirely. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

AFD for Charles E. Sexey

At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles E. Sexey. East of Borschov 12:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Category:History of New Zealand by region

I created Category:History of New Zealand by region. Its subcats as well as the parent need populating. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with naming conventions for categories, but would have expected that category names are derived from the region names. For example... Ah, I see that there's already a renaming process that's been started. Schwede66 03:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


I have nominated The Catlins for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Darius Dhlomo copyright cleanup

A bot is going to blank 10,000+ articles with significant contributions by User:Darius Dhlomo due to a major and chronic history of copyright violation. Judging from the number of articles on which I've seen his moniker, this may affect hundreds of articles within WPNZ. Help will be needed investigating articles once they have been blanked - Instructions are here. dramatic (talk) 18:16, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way that we could get a list of WPNZ articles that are affected? Schwede66 21:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Once the bot has done its job, I'll try generating one using catscan. dramatic (talk) 10:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Te Rewa Rewa Bridge

View through the curved arch structure of a steel bridge, with a mountain in the background

Hello Taranaki Wikipedians (or those who have recently visited the area), there's a new article on your newest landmark - Te Rewa Rewa Bridge. I've nominated it for DYK (Did you know?) and it's to go onto the WP homepage sometime on Wednesday (I guess). The article has been chosen including its photo as shown here. If anybody has a better photo than this, could you please upload it to Commons ASAP and leave a note here? I'll look after getting the photo exchanged if that were to happen. I reckon it's a nice opportunity to showcase Taranaki to the world - you guys have built yourself a beautiful structure! Well done. Schwede66 04:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

There's four on flickr[5]. XLerate (talk) 06:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
[6] Can be useful for uploading from Flickr. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
I probably have some still on my camera from a few weeks back. Much the same view but the mountain was clear that day. dramatic (talk) 07:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I've grabbed the flickr images, used the nifty upload tool, and placed a request for the hook photo to be replaced. Schwede66 19:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

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I've had a quick look, and suggest the following. Please feel free to disagree with me!


I'd like to include this, but not until cleanup tags are removed, and it reaches at least C-Class. Walkerma (talk) 03:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, will do. Walkerma (talk) 03:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I'd also suggest the following:
Zeeland and Trieste aren't that important for our subject, but I imagine they are worth including for other reasons. --Avenue (talk) 03:54, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
I now see Wikipedia:Release_Version_Nominations#Everyday_Life here that New Zealand wine has already been rejected as not important enough. --Avenue (talk) 04:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'm adding all except the articles on tourism, wine, Geology, List of earthquakes, Volcanism (but I am adding the Canterbury one). Some of those I'm omitting are nice articles, and I wish I could include them, but the external interest rating is just too low. Walkerma (talk) 03:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I've responded on the v0.8 talk page, but I'll bite here, too.


I'd also be tempted to add New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act 1987 (surprisingly, only 518 pts). Other than that, I agree pretty much with Avenue's and Adabow's comments above. Grutness...wha? 04:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

One thing uniquely Kiwi are Māori electorates. That article isn't very comprehensive, though. I've recently written First Māori elections, which goes a lot more into the historical context of that issue. It's quite new and I don't know where the score that the toolserver lists show comes from. Both have a relatively low score of 225, so are way below the cut off for articles that have been chosen (>1050). Ok, I'm probably biased, but one of those articles should be added. Schwede66 06:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

The score is based on class, importance, and how long the article has had the assessments (I think). Therefore a relatively new article will probably have a pretty low score.
Māori Party might be more worthwhile as a v0.8 article... Grutness...wha? 09:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree, but then would we need New Zealand foreshore and seabed controversy? Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'm adding Goff and Clutha River, but excluding Kowhai and the Gold Rush articles as being just too low (47 hits per day, and only one other language version - these stats make it very hard to justify). I will omit the regions as requested, and add Māori Party, but not the foreshore controversy. Walkerma (talk) 03:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
BTW, the length of the assessment is not a factor; however, a very new article will typically score low because (a) it won't have many links in and (b) fewer people will look at the article, because outside people will be less likely to link to it or recommend it. Walkerma (talk) 03:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
A request: Geography of New Zealand gets a lot of hits for obvious reasons, but it's a pretty basic article - it would be great if this could be expanded a bit, to include some of the topics that currently reside only in the much more extensive sub-articles. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Useful source

New Zealand Acts as enacted is now online, showing NZ legislation as it was when first passed. --Helenalex (talk) 00:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - that's already been useful. --Avenue (talk) 02:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Wow, how cool is that? I've just written something about the First Māori elections and here's the 1867 legislation just sitting there. Brilliant resource. Schwede66 02:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Māori orthography

What's the policy on standardising on Māori work names from double-vowel to macronised orthography? There are several in Bruce Biggs which are still double-vowel. I've not corrected them, not being sure I should. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

If you mean the titles of Biggs' books in that article, they were published with the double vowels in their titles and it would be a mistake to "correct" them. Just as we don't add macrons to the word Maori if that's how it was published in the title of a book. Kahuroa (talk) 08:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Old photos on Commons

If anyone feels like doing a bit of categorising, there are 29 photos in Commons Category:New Zealand that need to be placed in the correct categories and a description added. Mainly places and buildings - some of them might be useful. Kahuroa (talk) 08:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Update: They're all done now. Kahuroa (talk) 01:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

List of number-one singles from the 2000s (New Zealand)

This list's FLC could do with a couple more reviews, if anyone has a bit of time. Thanks in advance, Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to join this wikiproject.

I am new to editing on wikipedia, but I am very interested in New Zealand articles. I have spent some years as a user, however I am new to editing articles. How do I join a wikiproject? (This one). Luke021 (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

It's easy, just add your username to the list here. --Avenue (talk) 12:43, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Naming convention for rivers

Hi, the other day I turned Alexander River into a disambiguation page, since New Zealand's river of that name is probably undeserving of being at the main article. Someone reverted one of my moves and while I was checking naming conventions for ammunition in order to remonstrate with them, I discovered that [Rivers] generally uses bracket disambiguation, but that all New Zealand rivers are currently using comma disambiguation. The project notes that UK and NZ use comma, while Australia and North America use brackets. I see no reason why we have adopted the comma, and advantages to switching to brackets. For example, in the Australian section of the disambiguation page Little River, there is a clearer distinction between towns (Little River, Victoria) and waterways (Little River (Dubbo)). Is it worth making the change? dramatic (talk) 09:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

As it happens, Little River, New Zealand is about a town. Besides Silverstream, I can't think of any other NZ towns with river names, and these ones don't clash with rivers of the same name, so that doesn't seem like a very strong argument to me. But I don't see any good reason not to change, either. --Avenue (talk) 11:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
If no one raises any objection here then you can be bold. Just change the note in the convention if you go ahead. Kahuroa (talk)
I can think of a couple of problems with this. We obviously have our New Zealand naming conventions and to have rivers different from other geographic features would make things a little more confusing and less consistent. Secondly, if we were to change the river naming convention, we'd presumably have to move a lot of articles. I note that our naming conventions are out of step with most of the world not just with rivers. So if we have this discussion about rivers, why not discuss the broader naming conventions? Schwede66 18:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd be happy to see a general discussion on the NZ naming conventions. The common practice for articles on other parts of the world is to use "name, country" for settlements, assuming "name" is ambiguous, and "name (feature)" for geographical features such as rivers and mountains. The guidelines are set out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation. We do have quite a lot of rivers and lakes with names which are not unique within New Zealand, so "name (river)" might have to become "name (Canterbury river)", which seems rather ugly to me.-gadfium 19:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like we need to talk about the conventions. Also, I don't think any of our conventions are linked from the project page are they, which might be handy. Kahuroa (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
If we're going to have a naming system that endures, it needs to be able to handle the increasing number of bi-lingual names, as per Mount Taranaki/Egmont. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I think that's a separate issue (and Taranaki is a trickier case than most). The issue surrounding rivers etc is what title to use when its name is not unique, and disambiguation is needed. Gadfium, can you give an example where "name (Canterbury river)" would be necessary? The closest cases I can think of are like Waiau River, Canterbury, which would become Waiau River (Canterbury) since River is already part of its name. --Avenue (talk) 01:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the problem I thought of isn't real, as all such features do have Lake or River/Stream/Creek as part of their name.-gadfium 02:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the (river) nomenclature is really only needed in Britain where the word 'river' is often omitted (The Tay, The Thames). All New Zealand rivers have River as part of their proper name, judging by the LINZ database. I chose Little River as my example precisely because it is a town. Adopting the widespread bracket convention for rivers will make this obvious without having to read the article. There is nothing wrong with our name, region format for populated places, and it follows the wider standard. Dual names are just about guaranteed not to be ambiguous, so should never need disambiguators, and are the best form to use (with the sole exception of Mount Taranaki which is an alternative name not a dual one and is not supposed to use a slash). I don't mind doing moves on rivers. dramatic (talk) 04:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
"All New Zealand rivers have River as part of their proper name, judging by the LINZ database." I can think of three exceptions off the top of my head: Lill Burn, Hamilton Burn and Water of Leith. These are all fairly notable watercourses (Hamilton Burn and Lill Burn also give their names to localities, and the Water of Leith is metropolitan Dunedin's most notable natural flowing water). Daveosaurus (talk) 04:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I ought to have said "All New Zealand waterways have some descriptor of the type of waterway as part of their official name" (I can also think of Meola Creek). Lill Burn (river) is tautological and therefore unnecessary. This is fortunate given that the people naming waterways in New Zealand did not seem to bother with the distinctions between types of waterway in British English - thus we have many creeks which are not tidal. Some official names of features are cross-language tautologies (e.g. Awanui River, Mount Maunganui), but that is both common and official usage so it is the name we should use. dramatic (talk) 20:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I have a recollection of a discussion about NZ river and place naming conventions about six years ago. The US went for brackets and we went for a comma to create disambiguated pages. My preference is to use a comma since that is what is generally done in the real world. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

You may be thinking of Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 1#Need policy on places and naming (from Talk:New Zealand)-gadfium 05:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
No, my discussion was with a US based editor. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I can't think when I've ever had to disambiguate a New Zealand river in conversation, Alan.dramatic (talk) 21:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


I'm finding it difficult to judge consensus from this discussion - can we have an indication of people's preference:

Change to Foo River (New Zealand)

  1. dramatic (talk) 21:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
  2. Mattinbgn (talk) 21:33, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
  3. gadfium 22:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
  4. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Retain Foo River, New Zealand


On the basis of the above I have started moving rivers. I haven't yet rewritten the naming convention guideline, since we haven't explicitly discussed other geographic features. Once again, LINZ generally includes the type of feature in its name, so the only likely need for disambiguation is the country. Therefore there is no real need to vary from the more general convention. dramatic (talk) 23:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I would think that the drafting of an amended policy should be done before the moving of river articles. The draft can cover rivers only and doesn't have to touch on other geographic features. The draft can be a first attempt of capturing the above and if it has to be amended, that's not a problem. But the draft should be there first, because otherwise editors not aware of this particular discussion might think 'why is this article being renamed in contravention of the existing policy?'. Schwede66 23:11, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok then - Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(New_Zealand)#Draft_change_to_conventions. (I did already amend the Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers page. I shall also (in the next day or so) draft a proposed guideline covering dual/alternative names. dramatic (talk) 05:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Whoooaaah, Neddy!

Why was no mention of this discussion made at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (New Zealand) until after some kind of completion of discussion was done here? Surely that would be the place to announce that this sort of discussion is taking place! (Actually, it's where the diwscussion should have taken place in the first place...) It may also be why only four !votes were registered for what is a pretty far-reaching change in article naming. I oppose the change as proposed. There are several countries which use the same system as New Zealand currently does for rivers, with the same reason (i.e., it is the most common way that rivers are disambiguated in general writing (and yes, that does happen, D - it happened with me yesterday, talking about the Waiau, Southland and the Waiau, Marlborough). The United Kingdom is the most obvious with all of its rivers being disambiguated in the form River Foo, County where necessary. The same is true with other New Zealand geographical features, such as Lakes and Mountains, which are also disambiguated by commas. The only reason why Australia does things differently is because there are a considerable number of towns in Australia which have "Foo River" as their names - it is a more common practice there than here. Grutness...wha? 11:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 19:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


CAN I PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE TO DELETE A PAGE AND REDIRECT, CAN I HAVE TO DELETE THE PAGE "Northern League (New Zealand)" ( and the to REDIRECT TO THE PAGE "Lotto Sport Italia NRFL Premier" ( THANK U VERY MUCH —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhizzSheep (talkcontribs) 20:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Please don't shout! DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
  • I've done the opposite. League sponsorships change regularly, and as such the standard, non-sponsored name is the best name for the page. What's more, since you simply copied and pasted everything across from the Northern League page, a lot of info would be lost. And I agree with DCiNZ - there's no need to SHOUT. For future refenece, you might like to look at Help:Redirect and Help:Moving a page. Grutness...wha? 21:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Slight simplification of requested articles

Hi all - I've slightly simplified the requested article list (I hope!) by turning the list of pages with many redlinks into a template — {{WPNZ redlinks}}. There were separate lists on WP:WPNZ and WP:WPNZ/Requested articles which kept on getting out of synch with each other - now the list on the two pages will stay identical. Grutness...wha? 03:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Adding Māori task force to WPNZ template

If any admin has a moment, could they please take a look at Template talk:WikiProject New Zealand#Māori task force, and add the code there for the task force to the {{WikiProject New Zealand}} template. Cheers. Liveste (talkedits) 10:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Nvm, it's been done. Liveste (talkedits) 14:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Richie McCaw

Hi all. I have just expanded the article on the next Rugby World Cup winning captain. I think it is of Good quality and it could make Feature. I started a peer review here if anyone wishes to make comments. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 12:13, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Photo from Canterbury?

Hi all - our article on the Nor'west arch could seriously use a photo...and judging by the idiot wind blowing hot through Dunedin today there's a chance that there's a good opportunity for one from one of our Cantabrian editors. Any chance? Grutness...wha? 22:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Done - thanks Schwede66. Grutness...wha? 21:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

404 source

Everything here

Seems to be sourced to [7] and at least all I checked give 404 messages. BECritical__Talk 00:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

It appears that MFAT have shifted this content to without diplomaticly redirecting or intercepting the old URLs. Perhaps you could diplomatic advise the MFAT webmaster(s) of this 404 error. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Placenames and Macrons

After a long time away I have found some free time to edit some articles again. I have discovered a couple of placenames with inappropriate macrons, i.e. Māoribank and Tōtara Park, that I think should be spelt Maoribank and Totara Park, because that is how they are spelt locally, here in Upper Hutt, and in the NZGB place name database. In my opinion, macrons should only appear in article names when they appear in the official (Māori) name of the place, if that is also the official (English) name of the place as well. Putting macrons over letters in English words in order to suggest they are not actually English words but Māori ones is getting a bit too PC for me. I get most concerned when the words originated from English speaking settlers or developers who chose not to put macrons in their English spelling of words that they had borrowed from the Māori and everyone has now accepted that their common usage is without macrons. But before I act too boldly, I would like to know what do others think?

Specific comments to Talk:Māoribank and Talk:Tōtara Park, general observations here. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

No real need to discuss this here. Just be bold and move them to the non-macronised forms. Kahuroa (talk) 17:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mucking In

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The article Mucking In has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

A search for references ("Mucking In" Jim Mora) found a single published (gBooks) source, which is primary (written by Jim Mora) fails WP:N

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Looks like the nominator didn't use Google to look for references - it lists plenty of them. Grutness...wha? 04:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Either that or they believe books are the only reliable sources. There are plenty of sources out there if we include newspapers, the TVNZ website, and so forth. --Avenue (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Or they used a country specific google site (eg that doesn't search .nz Kahuroa (talk) 19:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 New Year Honours

I created the relevant section for 2011_New_Year_Honours. I've not linked and disambiguated the names, but that's something that can be incrementally. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Inset location maps FYI

Anyone who uses location infoboxes/maps might want to see Template talk:Location map#Inset Maps and give some feedback on a proposal to add inset map parameters Kahuroa (talk) 08:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

A very handy tool

Thought I'd let everybody know of a very handy tool that I installed the other day, and it's turned out to be most useful. User:Anomie/linkclassifier is the documentation page for this javascript tool, which adds various classes to wikilink elements based on various characteristics. For those of you who keep an eye on things, you might find the following links that look different from a usual link of interest:

  • pages tagged for deletion
  • link to dab pages
  • stub pages
  • redirect pages

These are just some examples. Once you get used to the colour coding, you might be equally enthusiastic about this handy tool as I am. Schwede66 21:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Māori move proposal

A proposal to move Māori to Māori people is being discussed on the Māori talk page. If this were a game of soccer, you could say it's the Kiwis playing the United Nations. It's one nil for the Kiwis at the moment. I suggest you go and spectate; maybe even put on a black jersey and join in. Schwede66 06:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Please be careful about advertising such discussions. Kwamikagami has threatened to block me, apparently because I disagreed with them.-gadfium 08:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

New article: The Mystery of a Hansom Cab

New article, created, at The Mystery of a Hansom Cab. Additional assistance in research would be appreciated, feel free to help out at the article's talk page. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

In case anyone else is wondering about the relevance of this to WPNZ, I presume it's because the author grew up and studied law in Dunedin. --Avenue (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 14:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


Does anyone think there is a primary topic for Onepoto? We have:

The settlement near Lake Waikaremoana is the only entry for the name in Wises New Zealand Guide. Google seems to have many more results for the Auckland domain than for Porirua, but this could be distortion from sports notices. It is arguable that a standalone village might have primacy over a suburb, especially since it is much older. dramatic (talk) 18:32, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

To me, the Porirua suburb seems the main one. Long-standing or not, the village is much smaller. But since we disagree, perhaps that indicates there isn't really a primary topic. The Auckland items would usually be followed by a noun showing which is meant (i.e. Onepoto Domain, Onepoto Bridge, Onepoto crater), so I don't think their titles should conflict with any of the others. --Avenue (talk) 20:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I think there's no primary topic, and the page should remain as a disambiguation. Te Onepoto is also a name for Taylor's Mistake, a beach in Banks Peninsula.[8] Since it means "short beach", there are probably other features with this name too.-gadfium 00:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm happy enough to go with the disambiguation. But I think that Onepoto, New Zealand should become Onepoto, Wellington (meaning Wellington Region of course, although someone is bound to point out that Porirua is a separate city from Wellington City). This leaves us free to create Onepoto, Hawkes Bay. dramatic (talk) 08:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
That sounds sensible enough to me. Schwede66 09:04, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Alan's OK

Just letting people know that I received an email from Alan Liefting - probably our most active Christchurch editor - who has been away from WP since the earthquake. He's safe and well - presumably his lack of editing is simply because of higher priorities in the real world. Anyone know of other prominent Chch wikipedians who have been unusually quiet since Tuesday? Grutness...wha? 21:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Other than Alan, I don't actually know anybody personally from down here. Whilst I was right in the centre of town at Tuesday lunchtime (silly me being at work), and I also live in the CBD, I'm fine. But that should be evident from my contributions since. Have just written Canterbury Provincial Council Buildings, as that place is somewhat special to me. I was supposed to be getting married there, but the September earthquake cancelled our booking... Schwede66 21:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Good to know you're OK, though I had guessed that from your wiki activity. Grutness...wha? 02:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand

I am aiming to submit the projects flagship article for peer review next week and from there try for featured article status. I would like to encourage members or watchers of this project to make any suggestions or fixes regarding content, accuracy or any other issues before it is assessed as to its suitability for the front page. AIRcorn (talk) 06:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Peer review submitted here. AIRcorn (talk) 02:17, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

A Pox upon unimaginitive explorers and settlers!

Had they no idea what headaches they were going to cause us? The question at hand is how to disambiguate two rivers named Rainy River, both of which are in the Tasman Region. The usual approach would be to use the next smaller division, which is district, only Tasman is a Unitary Authority, so they are both in Tasman District. Does it make any sense to disambiguate via the rivers of which they are tributary, i.e. Rainy River (Motueka) and Rainy River (Pelorus)? dramatic (talk) 10:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Lol! That would seem the best solution. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
(ec) Disambiguation using the river to which it is tributary is fine - see Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers#Multiple rivers with the same name. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:43, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
A common way of doing this (and one we've used with NZ in the past) would be to make them Rainy River (Western Tasman) and Rainy River (Eastern Tasman), or - if appropriate - Rainy River (Kahurangi National Park, Tasman) and Rainy River (Mount Richmond Forest Park, Tasman). ISTR there are two rivers with the same name in Gisborne Province, too (Wairoa, perhaps?) If you're going to use the names olf the rivers they flow into, you probably need to spell the names out a bit more (e.g., Rainy River (Motueka River tributary)), since the river isn't anywhere near the town of Motueka, which is what people will probably think of first. Grutness...wha? 11:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

definition of Christchurch

The wikt:Christchurch defintion for New Zealand is under dicussion, see wikt:Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification#Christchurch. Is Christchurch named after the town in England? (talk) 07:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

No. According to A.W. Reed's "Place names of New Zealand", the city's founder, John Robert Godley, named it after Christ's Church College, his Oxford University alma mater. According to Reed: In a letter to his father three years later, Godley wrote: "I hope that my old college is grateful to me for naming the future capital after it." Wise's Directory also claims that the city is named after the Oxford college. Grutness...wha? 11:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
The college is just called "Christ Church", not "Christ's Church College" or "Christ Church College". It is also the cathedral for the Diocese of Oxford. You are correct about the naming. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:57, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
You're right about the college name, of course. Long time since I've been in Oxford :) Grutness...wha? 08:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Discussion on orthography of dual names

Aoraki / Mount Cook was recently moved to Aoraki/Mount Cook without discussion (the spaces around the slash being removed) and the article title now contravenes Wikipedia:Naming conventions (New Zealand). Because this potentially effects 90+ other articles, I have initiated a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(New_Zealand)#Does_usage_trump_convention? dramatic (talk) 01:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Wood (New Zealand musician)

This AfD has been relisted twice due to lack of input. It would be great if a few more people could take a look. Thanks. Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Help with location map

Could someone with experience of NZ location maps show me how to include one in the {{Geobox}} template on Kaweka Range? As a linear feature it would be great if the map copuld show a line rather than a dot, but I appreciate that that may not be supported. dramatic (talk) 21:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Ok how do i join this group ????

Ihaveahugesandwidge 3:18, pm 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I've put the relevant template onto your user page. Schwede66 16:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

WPENGVAR template:New Zealand English

{{New Zealand English}} use of the flag is in question, see Template talk:American English (talk) 02:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

National Parks categories

We currently have Category:National parks of New Zealand. Do people think that it would be useful to create a subcategory for each National park which can include places within the park? dramatic (talk) 21:00, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Note that there is already a Category:Fiordland, but it's for the generic area rather than the NP itself. It may be worth using that specifically for the national park and taking it to CFD to have its name changed. Either that or (perhaps more useful) make a Category:Fiordland National Park subcategory for it and leave items like Manapouri in the main Fiordland category. Grutness...wha? 23:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I think categories for each national park could be useful. I'd prefer having Category:Fiordland National Park as a subcategory of Category:Fiordland, rather than try to merge them. As well as the places within the region but not the park, articles like Fiordland Penguin would benefit from keeping them distinct. There will probably also be some duplication between Category:Whanganui River and Category:Whanganui National Park, but neither seems a suitable subcategory of the other. --Avenue (talk) 13:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I've created Category:Kahurangi National Park as a trial and added some (but not all) relevant articles to it. The next question is whether the articles on each National Park should remain in Category:National parks of New Zealand or move to their own park's category? dramatic (talk) 00:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The moment the sub-categories exist, the individual park articles belong into the relevant sub-category. Schwede66 00:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, I think that is not a simple either/or question. Personally I would prefer to keep the individual park articles in the broader Category:National parks of New Zealand, and label it with {{double category}}. The park articles could be in the specific category for their park too. However, maybe some care is needed here; see WP:EPON. --Avenue (talk) 00:54, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I think the general thing with such articles would probably be to double-categorise them: leave them in the main category, but also pipe them to the top of the individual park categories. Grutness...wha? 01:17, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids

This page is getting unmanageably large, could someone with experience in such things please split it? Ideally before the build-up to the trials, which will presumably generate a buttload of coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ruapuke needs some love

If anyone has an hour to spare, Ruapuke has been neglected for 5 years and currently reads like a travel brochure rather than an encyclopedia. dramatic (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Baron Ashburton

I'm suffering from conflicting sources and numerous copies (of some unreliable source?) - does anyone have a reliable print source for which Baron Ashburton the NZ town and river were named after. It seems possible that the first to third barons were all involved with the Canterbury Association. dramatic (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I usually go with Reed's "Place names of New Zealand", which says Francis Baring, later 3rd Lord Ashburton. Grutness...wha? 01:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

New Zealander

I was wondering if New Zealander and Kiwi (people) should be merged so stated a discussion here. It will probably need a broad consensus to go ahead. AIRcorn (talk) 20:07, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Withdrawn. I no longer think this should be done. AIRcorn (talk) 03:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Citation Provided for Dinoris (Giant Moa) Height

A request for a citation on the height of the Giant moa was placed, (

here is a link

I am very new here, and opened my accoung 5 minutes ago so i could see if i can help out.

StringFellow1974StringFellow1974 (talk) 01:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

That may or may not be a good source. It's a private website owned by someone who says that she is "neither an ornithologist nor a scientist" - and the article doesn't cite references. If this fact came from a book, the book may be based on superseded research, or simply on another book. It is notable that early palentologists and museum directors distorted skeletons when reconstructing them in order to achieve "tallest" or "largest" records. Contrast the 19th century drawing on that page with its very upright stance against the more modern depiction on the postage stamp. Tyrannosaurus Rex went through a similar change of stance. Citation from a peer-reviewed journal would be best in articles of this nature. Unfortunately, for those of us outside universities, they tend to be behind paywalls. Finally, the best place to discuss this would have been on the talk page of the article in question. dramatic (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

North and South article index?

North and South magazine would be a top source for New Zealand articles given the depth of research their writers do - but there doesn't appear to be any index of articles available online. Is there a cumulative index of the magazine that someone could digitise and make available for project members? dramatic (talk) 18:14, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it is a good source. Another good one is New Zealand Geographic. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:51, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Titirangi Theatre

Can anyone help the new user with this? Mostly, it could use more reliable sources. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  09:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I suspect it's going to fail GNG as the majority of recreational theatre organisations in New Zealand would. dramatic (talk) 21:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Agree with Dramatic. I've had a look whether Titirangi / Lopdell House is a registered heritage building, as that could have been an angle to rescue this (i.e. the heritage building is the thing that's notable, and the theatre group is the current usage), but I couldn't find it on the NZHPT register. Schwede66 22:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

We have eliminated the backlog of NZ-related Unreferenced BLPs. Well done and thank you to everyone who helped out in any way! It would be advisable to watch the bot-updated list so that we can keep the number at zero. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids

An anon and I appear to be having a disagreement about the 2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids. I feel that some note is important that this isn't an isolated thing but that there's >100 years of history here. The anon feels differently. I'm not going to edit war. Could someone else take a look? Stuartyeates (talk) 09:06, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you start a discussion on the article talk page. I think the issue is best discussed in more detail than can be expressed in edit summaries.-gadfium 09:34, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Hone Harawira

There is currently some debate in the discussion section of his page about the reliability of David Rankin as a source on the subject of Hone formerly being called 'Hone Hatfield'.

User:luke96241 —Preceding undated comment added 11:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC).

Niue and Tokelau articles

While doing assessments, I have removed the WPNZ template from some articles on Tokelau and Niue. Although technically part of New Zealand, the articles are better served by their inclusion in WP:WikiProject Polynesia and the appropriate task-forces. In cases where the article is about the NZ/island relationship or there is a non-trivial reference to New Zealand, I would retain the WPNZ template. Does anyone disagree with this approach? dramatic (talk) 11:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Sounds sensible to me. --Avenue (talk) 12:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 Puyehue eruption flight disruptions

I was wondering whether a Air travel disruption after the 2011 Puyehue eruption article for the 2011 Puyehue eruption should be created? This would be analogous to the Air travel disruption after the 2010 Eyjafjallajökull eruption article.

Please discuss at: Talk:2011 Puyehue eruption (talk) 10:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Waiheke Island

Waiheke Island was apparently named after "an event when Maori Explorer Kahumatamomoe landed on the island and urinated". This reads like vandalism. I find it a bit hard to believe that an island would be named after someone urinating. (talk) 07:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Um, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Seems like a pretty convincing display of ownership. Kahuroa (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it's not that unusual really. You might be surprised at the origins of some Māori place names. For example, Te Urewera. Liveste (talkedits) 21:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
And as for Urenui... The one that always amuses me is Tutaekuri River. Grutness...wha? 01:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Uncultured as I am, Tutaekuri for me brings memories of the Outrageous Fortune telemovie.-gadfium 06:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
An approximate translation might well be "Dogshit River". Grutness...wha? 01:29, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
As it appears that the articles Grutness mentioned have no translation for their names, it occurs to me that we might want to add some explanatory information. Anyone have any reliable sources on hand? Reed's Dictionary of Māori place names, perhaps? Also, if anyone has a source confirming that the Urenui River is 27 km long, that'd be swell. Liveste (talkedits) 06:17, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I have a rather elderly Reed's, but it's got a couple of problems: (1) it's level of scholarship is about that of a tourist brochure, and (2) I can't actually find it at the moment. I do have a better book about Māori place names, but it only covers Otago and Southland. Daveosaurus (talk) 07:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Could reference the component parts here. Kahuroa (talk) 09:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Christchurch photos

Hi there, I got a batch of flickr photos uploaded the other day showing Christchurch heritage buildings and gone through and categorised them, but there are three buildings left that I can't figure out where they are located. Could other editors with local Christchurch knowledge please go and have a look? Schwede66 04:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

The building immediately to the right (seen from the street) of the Ross and Glendining building appears to be the same building as the building immediately to the left of the Haralds Building, if that is any help. I'll try looking up and down the streets in Google Maps later tonight if the others haven't been found by then. Cheers. Daveosaurus (talk) 05:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Great. One down, two to go. Schwede66 05:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 Birthday Honours

I've started 2011 Birthday Honours but won't get time to completely link it. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

It needs the UK honours? We need to get rid of the honorifics. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The UK does theirs on a different date, I believe, but I only do the New Zealand ones. You're right about the honorifics, they're there because they were in the original press release, which I used a UNIX commandline on to create the first draft of the article. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes I thought it might have been something like that. I will run AWB over it to remove them. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I've now also done 1997 Birthday Honours (which is pretty rough) and 1998 New Year Honours. My intent is to work my way through the list at Stuartyeates (talk) 09:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Done 2000 Birthday Honours. Lots of East Timor police and military gongs. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Done 1999 Birthday Honours. Some Nuie honours there too, which seem to be on the NZ lists. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Feedback wanted

Could I get some feedback on the New Zealand sections of 1999_Birthday_Honours vs 2009 Birthday Honours ? They're both my work and relatively similar amounts of work, but which is better? Stuartyeates (talk) 04:36, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I prefer the 1999 layout. The repetition of the type of honour in each row in the 2009 table is unnecessary. I do wonder if it would be an improvement for the 1999 tables to all have the same column widths, using "width=x%" or "width=y" (pixels) as explained at Help:Table#Setting column widths. Allowing some of the longer entries to wrap would not be a bad thing.-gadfium 05:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree with gadfium. Schwede66 07:52, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I've just done 2001 Birthday Honours. For reference, the commandline I'm using to generate the tables is:

cat  2001.jb.html| sed 's^
^\n^g' | grep "\(dd\>\|p\>\|b\>\)" |perl -pe 's/([A-Z])([A-Z]*)/\1\L\2\E/g' | sed 's^$^||^' | sed 's/^/|-\n|| sed 's/,/ || ||/' | sed 's/\. /]] || /' | sed 's/ of / [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand/Archive 3/'| sed 's^||J.P.,^J.P.||^' | sed 's|<[^>]*>||g'

Cut and past that from the source, if you want it unmangled. Each table start and end need to be done by hand.Stuartyeates (talk) 10:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I've now done all the Queens' Birthday honours since 1997 (except 1998 which has some apparent errors in), which is as far back as the NZ website goes. The New Year Honours next. Going back before 1997 will probably involve going to the London_Gazette which isn't as clean to access. Stuartyeates (talk)
Nice work.-gadfium 23:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

David Henderson(s)

Could someone who knows better then me please take a look at these edits, and especially the possibility that the ref actually refers to David Henderson (Christchurch, New Zealand)? I really have no idea where to go with this, and figured that this would be the best place for it. Thanks for any help. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

They appear to be two different people. See the time they shared a single article. I've reverted the anon's edits, as even if they are on the correct article they are unsourced and pov.-gadfium 01:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
The Christchruch David was made bankrupt in 2010.
The Auckland David was just made bankrupt this month.
I suggest adding a note to the Auckland David article stating this, like was done to the Christchurch David article. Roue2 (talk) 01:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I overlooked that the anon had provided a source, and have updated the article accordingly.-gadfium 01:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Looks good. Good work. Roue2 (talk) 01:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
A good deal of information can be obtained by searching on including useful information like middle names and years of birth. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, that's very helpful.-gadfium 03:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Well, I figured that people living and/or interested in NZ would know more then me, and it looks like I was right. Thanks guys! Nolelover Talk·Contribs 10:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:Globalize/New Zealand

Shirt58 was WP:BOLD and used a non-existant template Template talk:Globalize/New Zealand on my recently created 2000 Birthday Honours page (see other section of this talk page). I've now created the template. I've used New Zealand/Aotearoa in the text of the template, since this is about inclusion. A new category New Zealand/Aotearoa-centric is thus automatically created. Feedback and complaints welcome, either to me or direct to Shirt58. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Seems like the articles should be renamed yyyy New Zealand Birthday Honours if they contain only NZ honours. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 08:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
The set of articles was actually started by the Brits, but we seem to be working through them at different rates and in a different order. See 2000 New Year Honours for a good example. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:52, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
That's a perfect example of an article that is far too large (240k!) and needs to be split. By country would be the obvious way to do that. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 11:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree that the right course of action is to split articles or move them as per DerbyCountyinNZ. Schwede66 14:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
If we're splitting, it should probably be by pseudo-country not by country (the honours system pre-dates the modern concept of country and so there are some wrinkles like the 1999 Birthday Honours for Niue being awarded with the New Zealand ones). Also as clicking around the pages in the honours template at the bottom of these pages will show we currently have problems populating these, which splitting the pages will make much, much worse. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:45, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I've started a conversation at Template talk:Honours Lists which seems like the right place to start. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject English

Wikipedia:WikiProject English has been nominated for deletion. As this project was proposed for maintaining national varieties of English on how articles are written/formatted/spelled, you may be interested. (essentially, maintaing WP:ENGVAR compliance on articles) (talk) 04:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Kia Ora, New Zealand

Kia Ora, New Zealand - is this for real or is somebody making this up? Schwede66 04:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it's a real place, or so says Google Maps --LJ Holden 04:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
The Google Maps reference appears to have less than five houses. There's also Stuartyeates (talk) 04:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Simply looks like a farming estate. I'm thinking PROD it. —Andrewstalk 05:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
From memory it is a locality in North Otago. Probably no less notable than the hundreds of other small localities which have articles. I'll try to find anything interesting about it and make the article look a bit better if I have time in the next few days. Daveosaurus (talk) 05:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Correct, as listed at LINZ [9] --ClubOranjeT 07:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I've added a little more, but it just scrapes by on notability. Grutness...wha? 01:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I've added it to this WikiProject and tagged it for notability. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Unidentified church

Does anybody recognise this pretty church somewhere outside Christchurch? Schwede66 19:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Glenmark Church in Waipara. ...and I am an atheist! -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
So am I, but that won't stop us to appreciate beautiful buildings. Thanks, Alan. Schwede66 23:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Yep, I agree. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:34, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Images on Commons need to be categorised

There are 105 new NZ images on Commons, uploaded from Flickr, that need categorising. Please chip in if you have time and interest. Most of what has been done will be a subcategory of Luxury accommodations in New Zealand Schwede66 03:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

This seems to be completed. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 22:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Correct, I finished categorising the other day, but I did forget to mention this here. There will be more work in this area coming up soon, as I've got about three jobs queued on Commons at Flickr batch upload. Schwede66 01:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
We should try and convince someone at the National Library to become an editor at WikiMedia Commons and upload images directly. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:36, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Hm, that would be good, but ... I'm not entirely sure whether their crappy website (and it is crappy, believe you me) is set up the way it is so that it is extremely hard to download their images in high resolution as a clean jpg file. I go through multiple steps before an image is ready for upload. Would other editors be interested in me documenting those steps? But back to your question, Alan – if this is deliberate, then they wouldn't want us to grab their images, so suggesting to them uploading their photos to Commons themselves might be a bit of a steep ask. Schwede66 04:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

A commendation to all New Zealand Wikipedians

I travel far and wide through the pages of Wikipedia - from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe - but I also spend time on the pages relating to New Zealand. During my editing and reading of Wikipedia I have gained the impression that the New Zealand articles and categories are extremely well written and maintained. More often than not they have a page layout that follows the Manual of Style and one that is emerging as a preferred standard on many other well maintained pages - it is also one that I like.

Does New Zealand have a greater number of competent Wikipedians per capita than other countries? If so, is it the often stated egalitarian nature of New Zealanders that makes us contribute to Wikipedia? There is a huge amount of data that can be sifted to see how New Zealand compares to other countries in terms of editing quality. This would be an interesting project that could be followed up.

So the New Zealand Wikipedians need a collective pat on the back for good work done to date. Good on ya, mates!-- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Help with database required

Christchurch heritage montage

If somebody has the capability of interrogating a database, I'd be grateful for a helping hand. I've got a list article on Christchurch heritage structures almost ready to go, but had to reformat the way the referencing works. The draft article was created in somebody's userspace in the German Wikipedia. When the lot got copied across to the English Wikipedia, I encountered the problem of maxing out on the number of templates. I'm in the process of changing how the article is referenced and there are two steps still required:

  • shift the refs from the first column to the second column (after the text); that's relatively easy to do and I'd be happy to do it by hand (note that I've done this already for the first four entries)
  • replace the text "addtitle" in the reference by the name that the item has on the NZHPT database - this is the task where some clever programming could facilitate a lookup.

Can anybody tackle the (second) task? Schwede66 22:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Done, in a spreadsheet with the VLOOKUP function and the results from a register search. XLerate (talk) 08:01, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Awesome - thanks. I'm assuming that you put the results from a register search into a spreadsheet, too. I couldn't figure a way how to get search results into a spreadsheet that showed the URLs (containing the ID); all I managed is the two columns (property name and address). Would you mind explaining to me how you went about this? Schwede66 18:57, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
That's right, results from the register search needed to be in a spreadsheet for VLOOKUP. I used "View source" of the webpage, save webpage as text file is another way. Then I used find & replace in a word processor to work the file into shape to paste into a spreadsheet. XLerate (talk) 00:11, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Article has now been published. Thanks again for your help. Schwede66 09:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome. I like the montage, very nice. XLerate (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

List of historic places in Christchurch

The List of historic places in Christchurch was published a few days ago, and our fellow DYK editors were kind enough to run it on WP's homepage on the first anniversary of the 2010 Canterbury earthquake. It's been a major piece of work collating the photos and putting this list together, but it's not yet done. For those of you based in Christchurch (or visiting), I've put a list of buildings that don't have photos yet onto the article's talk page. Any help would be appreciated. There's also some concern been raised about the use of Commons categories, so if you've got any useful ideas of how to do things different or better, please let us know.

I've also had two rather different pieces of feedback on the collage:

  • "I suggest modifying or replacing the montage currently in the lead image spot. The juxtaposition of different camera angles and image distortions is dizzying."
  • "I like the montage, very nice."

If somebody with graphic design skills and a bit of spare time could come up with something better than my amateurish attempt, that'll be great. There's certainly no shortage of images to choose from! Schwede66 02:18, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


Hi all - I've made a start on an article on Lane's Emulsion, but I'm having trouble finding info and - frankly - it looks almost proddable the way it stands. If anyone can add any information to this before someone decides to cart it off to AfD, please do so! Thanks. Grutness...wha? 11:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Papers past has 15,000 hits for it. The all blacks have less than 60,000 hits. Troll through there for stuff to add to the article? Stuartyeates (talk) 20:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
The Papers Past hits are likely to mostly be advertisements for the medicine rather than news reports. However if anyone's travelling through Oamaru in the near future they could always grab a photograph of the Lanes Emulsion premises in Harbour Street in the historic area which should add a bit of interest to the article. Daveosaurus (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


We must always assume these articles will be read by people outside NZ, people who don't speak with a Kiwi accent. Whenever we add pronunciation, especially for Maori words or place names, we should use international standard pronunciation.

What prompted me to write this is the entertaining article on Ngawi, a small Wairarapa town (,_New_Zealand). It says to pronounce Ngawi as "Nar wee". That's terrible; only people who are "R-droppers" can pronounce it using that guide. Anyone who pronounces their Rs would get the sound hideously wrong. If someone knows IPA, it would be really good to replace this bad pronunciation guide with a proper one. Haryadoon (talk) 07:37, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

To do this, go to Māori_language#Phonology and look at the tables; translate the letters in the name into the funny characters adjacent to them (or to themselves if the funny character is missing). Stuartyeates (talk) 08:01, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Featured article review for Francis Petre

I have nominated Francis Petre for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Brad (talk) 08:39, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


Thought I'd post a quick note that Grutness is having a dreadful time. I've just seen that he has effectively resigned from Wikipedia. I'm off to bed now, so won't have time to look into it. If you want to see for yourself what is going on, start on my talk page. Schwede66 09:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Sources

I have created a new sub-page for sharing New Zealand sources for when we're struggling to find sources for articles.

Feel free to add new sources or notes to the current ones. (talk)

Great little resource - thanks! Schwede66 08:18, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, a great resource. I had started a similar project for mainly dead tree format publications but haven't got very far. See User:Alan Liefting/Articles/Bibliography of New Zealand. Once completed I want to put it in article namespace. Shall I tack it on to WP:NZ for all of us to work on? I decided to start the page since I have seen them created for some other countries. It is a good idea - an encyclopaedia should make recommendations as to where to find further information. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:53, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not sure how much I'd personally use a list of print works. Others might. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Readers can click on the ISBN link and see if it is in their local library. The idea is that we, as WP editors, select the best books from the huge pile of publications out there. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Priyani Puketapu

I just found this article about a kiwi. I've improved it substantially, but I'd like an opinion about where it stands with respect to WP:BIO1E. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't know whether winning MissNZ does the trick, to be honest. I suspect that it's not enough to become notable, but I haven't researched what the precedents are. Schwede66 08:18, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Given that the template for the national title holders of Miss Universe has numerous links it seems that there may be a degree of notability. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost interview

A big "thank you" to all those who participated. I hope WPNZ members enjoy reading the article. --SMasters (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand Castles (Wikipedia menitions ONLY TWO - but I think there's THREE)

Hi. I was born .. as all (older) kiwi's were. Sometime Last Century. But.. I was also - born 7 raised.. within 20miles of (what I was told was):


Being as it was.. A Stout 3story, Solidly built Red Brick Collection of Buildings.. All (Ok - not enclosed in an outer wall as such- but individully all) All buildings in & around the main structure.. Were HIGH WALLED Perapetted (with Flat Roof - Raised wall embattlement's).

Basically -- an exact replca of what a CASTLE .. should look like.. When built in a harsh INLAND environment -- on flat land (with no mote).

Thus: To "learn" today - that NZ is considered to "have' only two CASDTLE's .. One of which was Cargill's (now derilct) With the other being "Larnach" ? Mistifies me somewhat.. As I do "know" the one that I grew up around. (and that could be EASILY SEEN - before the trees grew too large) And: i & through .. were MANY public tours & afternoon tea sessions served.. Before the bulding's Embattlements were classified as being too hazardous and unsafe.. BUT- which is "still" used as the Noble Mans House of residence (Nobleman - I was told.. is they whom being- is the LANDHOLD's RUNHOLDER)

Thus: Why is there no mention. of the Earnscleugh Station CASTLE. A huge 3story multi roomed mansion.. With Fortified Embattlementation's ON EVERY OLD BUILDING (& on the horse stables as well).

? Or is that CASTLE -- not a Castle.. (simply because it isn't in Dunedin). QUIX4U (talk) 20:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

p.s. The SHENNAN Brothers.. were.? I do also believe- the 1st PERMANENT settlers. In & Around Alexandra.

One of the Shenna Brothers .. built a HUGE mansion at Galloway. A twin Shyst Rock (structured) building with 2 long passage ways And at the (EAST) end .. a long interconnecting passageway Accessing across the ends - between & thus connecting the two outer parralel sections Much the same as a horizontal |___| "building_floorplan layout" Otherwise known as Galloway Station (Andrew Preston's Runhold, of ~30,000 acres~)

The Other Shennan Brother. Built the HUGE CASTLE On open desolate treeless sandy FLATS (bang smack) in the middle of Earnscleugh. Earnscleugh Station. WITH ALL BUILDINGS HAVING: 1/- an open topped access to the roof as if it were a "floor", & 2/- Highwalled Fortified Perapet's ( & 3/- An UPPER ledge across these .. upon which to "rest" small arms.. Or simply to provide a more robust upper continuous plinth, Over the top of the CASTLE'ATED (fortified) Parapet — Preceding unsigned comment added by QUIX4U (talkcontribs) QUIX4U (talk) 20:44, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Reference.? VISUAL EVIDENCE - THAT ANYONE CAN VIEW - EITHER FROM MANY POINTS From Public Access roads - (outside the propety boundary). Or from the comfort of your own armchair. Courtesy of a cellphone video Uploaded by QUIX4U on Feb 12, 2010

Dual video showing 1stly - The Frasier Domain Single Hydo-Electric Power Generation Station plus 2ndly - The (original) Homestead of the Shannon Brother whom formed & ran - the Earnscleugh Sheep & Cattle RUNHOLD - with it's Castle (NZ).

Category: Howto & Style

Tags: Frasier Domain Hydro Electric Power Generation Station Earnscleugh's Sheep Runhold Castle

License: Standard YouTube License QUIX4U (talk) 20:44, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I've had a look at Google, and I can't see that it's known as Earnscleugh Castle. There's no mention of 'castle' on the Earnscleugh Station website. And although the place is a Category I building registered with the NZHPT, their entry is rather sparse. The guy who introduced the rabbits has a (stub) page on WP, though, as he was an MP. So by what I can see, two seems to be the right count for NZ castles. Schwede66 01:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids

I've been looking to cover the current media storm in relation to the court ruling about this case. I hesitate to add this to 2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids because that's already long enough and much of this is more general. Ideas where I should put it? Stuartyeates (talk) 06:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest New Zealand Evidence Act, or Search and Surveillance Bill, but neither of these have existing articles, so extra work would be necessary to create an initial article before covering the media storm. Since every act of parliament, as far as I know, is considered notable, perhaps the easiest would be to create an article New Zealand Police search controversy (or similar) and rename it once the title of the emergency legislation becomes known. Links can be added at the anti-terror raids article and at New Zealand Police-gadfium 07:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
The article is at Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill.-gadfium 04:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
ANd now Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Act 2011 --IdiotSavant (talk) 23:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


I've been trying to get the macro for Māori words to accept the optional link option, which provides a link to the Māori wikipedia, as the French equivalent does. Is anyone good with templates? Stuartyeates (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Category:People whose works are held in Museum of New Zealand

I've been doing some work on artists' pages and have created Category:People whose works are held in Museum of New Zealand, but I'm not sure of the name. Until I'm confident I'll not add too many people. Anyone have a better suggestion? Stuartyeates (talk) 18:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe look at Category:People associated with the British Museum. Schwede66 19:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
It's now Category:People associated with the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

New articles

The list of New Articles on New Zealand subjects does not appear to have been updated for quite some time. Is it still "active"? – Matthew25187 (talk) 23:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Map request

Who can help with a map for a new article? City Mall, Christchurch is probably on the home page on Saturday morning, so before then would be great! What I'd like to show are:

  • the extent of the mall
  • a few road names that are mentioned in the article
  • the location of the former and current registered heritage buildings

Schwede66 03:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge information from WikiProject Auckland

WikiProject Auckland has been inactive for a while, and I noticed that another user suggested merging information from that project to this one, so I added a {{mergefrom}} tag to this article. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

<sarcasm>nah, we're not really interested in anything north of the bombays</sarcasm> Stuartyeates (talk) 09:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I support the merger. In practice, this may not require more than removing the Auckland wikiproject tag from all talk pages and checking that there is a New Zealand wikiproject tag there. This is a suitable task for a bot.-gadfium 20:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, a merge would be useful. Schwede66 20:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Māori Subject Headings

I've begun a bit of a project at User:Stuartyeates/Ngā Ūpoko Tukutuku that might result in the creation of ~1300 redirects from Māori to English pages and would appreciate feedback. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I've replied at User talk:Stuartyeates/Ngā Ūpoko Tukutuku.-gadfium 20:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I've completely rebuilt my example, based on reflection and gadfium's feedback. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


After some lively discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive228#Bulk_creation_of_redirects there is now a Category:Redirects from Māori language terms which is filling up nicely. I would encourage other editors to place redirects in this category as appropriate. Once I've gone through the list, I plan to build a portal-like page from the headings. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:23, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm finished. Category:Redirects from Māori language terms now contains 211 redirects. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Need a decent photo of John Banks

Need a decent photo of John Banks (New Zealand politician). The current one is not suitable. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Hope this helps. Schwede66 01:27, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I see that you added one over at Commons. I would like to see a formal, official photo of him in the articles. I don't care one single bit for his political ideology but WP should do his article a little justice. Is there any fair use photos of him I wonder? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 01:34, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Fair-use is generally invalid for living people, for an official photo you could try WP:PERMISSION (like File:Helen Clark 2.jpg). XLerate (talk) 01:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
All I did was look on flickr whether there are photos of him with a licence compatible with Commons, and there was one that I uploaded. If that's not good enough, you could search on flickr and see whether there are unfree photos. If you find any that you think are suitable, we can then ask the photographers whether they are happy to change the licence. I have a standard request for that and if you leave the photo URLs here, I'm happy to put the queries to the photographers. Schwede66 01:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Negative coverage in paper appears to be talking about Culture of New Zealand. User:SarahStierch beat me to fixing it. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

DigitalNZ possible harvesting of WikiProject New Zealand content

DigitalNZ is a National Library of New Zealand project that aggregates New Zealand content from across the internet and redistributes it through APIs and so forth. At an event this week, I suggested that they harvest WikiProject New Zealand content based on our assessment of article quality. They seemed to think it was a good idea (and the very least they humuored me). This is a bunch of folks I know though my day job who seem savvy about Content licensing and the technical aspects of web harvesting, but not much about wikipedia internal processes, so I'm offering to be a contact person. If/when DigitalNZ arrive here, they need to read the assessment page and the content licensing page. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Probably a good idea to have a read of Wikipedia:Database download also. XLerate (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

New MPs

If anybody is interesting on doing some work on new Member of Parliament bios, please see this collaboration. We are working towards getting some DYK credit, with the nomination to be made on Friday. Schwede66 18:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

See the PDF at for the announcement on new/changed portfolios, ministers etc Lanma726 (talk) 03:00, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Bear in mind that that document contains a spelling mistake, it's Whānau Ora not Whanau Ora. I find it rather disappointing when official documents get this wrong. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Kerry Bolton

I would encourage people to add Kerry Bolton to their watch lists. The article is about a colourful New Zealand individual with a documented track record of litigation threats and complaints. I have a minor WP:COI so I probably shouldn't work on the article myself. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd second that request. The subject himself has been very involved in the article, complicating matters considerably.   Will Beback  talk  05:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Milhist history articles

I see you guys do a good job with outreach, and I think it makes sense to make use of the stronger wikiprojects when you're trying to help people get started. At the military history project ("Milhist"), we're pretty good at collaborating and helping people get articles through the review processes. Feel free to add the {{WPMILHIST}} tag near the top of the talk page of any article that has a substantial section relevant to military history, or post a message at our talk page if you have questions or would like assistance. Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 14:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Feildingpedia Proposal

Feilding is one of New Zealand's most beautiful towns supported by a thriving retail and agricultural based economy. It also has a rich cultural heritage still able to be seen in the architecture in the CBD. There are many special aspects of Feilding, so we're inviting people who live in or who are connnected to Feilding to help tell its story, and make it New Zealand's first Wikipedia town in the style of Monmouthpedia. All members of the community (current and those living further afield) are welcomed to participate. [here] to find out more and contact Katherine at Destination Manawatu to register your interest and help get this project started. T: +64 6 350 1811 E:

--ManawatuNZ (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually there are a number of independent wikis for places in New Zealand already. The one I am most familiar with is Waihekepedia. It had a reasonably promising start, and has over 600 pages of content, but has largely languished for the last year or more. An Auckland Wiki ran for a few years but died some time ago. I don't know anything about them, but there's a wiki devoted to music in Hamilton which looks very active, and a Wairarapa wiki which appears to be less so.-gadfium 03:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Of course, there's nothing wrong with getting better coverage of Manawatu towns and topics (I recently created both Te Manawa and New Zealand Rugby Museum). There are some fabulous sources such as [10] (which I maintain), and of course, a researcher with access to the local archives (as User:ManawatuNZ presumably has) will have access to many others. If User:ManawatuNZ is really looking for a way to move forward, I'd suggest a monthly page to work on, rotating between places, instutitions and people. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
It's also worth noting that the full title for Monmouthpedia is Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA making a solid understanding of Wikipedia:GLAM a great place to start. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:31, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Stuarteates. This is really useful to know. I hadn't come across the online article you referenced before. I have experience with the archives at Palmerston North City Library and Feilding & District Archives. I guess that is a huge part of Wikipedia, being able to reference article items to existing online articles. I can see that this will have it's challenges. Interesting to know that you created Te Manawa and New Zealand Rugby Museum articles, as these have undergone significant change. I look forward to finding out more about Wikipedia:Glam. Thank you so much. -- (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Sub cats for the regions of New Zealand

I have been tidying up the subcats of Category:Regions of New Zealand. For each region I have created subcats by topic, such as education, environment, politics, transport, similar to the the structure of Category:New Zealand. It was well overdue since the parent categories had collected a disparate series of articles making navigation a little more difficult. The Category:Regions of New Zealand subcats are now cleaned up but there is a huge number of articles lurking around that can be used to populate the categories that I have created. One part of my re-categorisation is contentious. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_New_Zealand/politics#New_Zealand_electorate_categories. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

It's not just one part of your re-categorisation plan that is contentious, see #Auckland categories below. FanRed XN | talk 03:06, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
I can see a rationale for categorising education & schools by regions - although education in New Zealand is not regionalised, schools by their very nature typically service just a small locality. On categories of people, and of politics I've already stated my position. Category:Geography of the Auckland Region includes non-geographical articles such as Alexandra Park, along with a schizophrenic Port Waikato that doesn't know whether it belongs in Auckland or in Waikato; whilst the category in general is a mix of physical geography and Category:Suburbs of Auckland - which is in itself a sub-category of Category:Geography of Auckland. Layering yet more categories over Auckland/Auckland Region is no solution to the Byzantine mess that is presently used.
Note: As Auckland presents the worst case I haven't looked too much into other regions - I think there's already enough to be getting on with with the Auckland/Auckland Region articles.FanRed XN | talk 07:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
My suggestion is that in the medium to long term we move all regional categories to ones based on a legal (current or historical) boundaries and make these clear in the title of the category. Many of the New Zealand wars articles, for example, should be categorised by province; Healthcare by the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000 boundaries; etc. Yes, this is a reasonbale amoutn of work. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Category:Factories in New Zealand -> Category:Industrial buildings in New Zealand

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_17#Category:Factories_in_New_Zealand. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 01:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Auckland categories

Is there still a place for Category:Auckland Region and Category:Auckland now that there is one unitary council? Previously the boundary of the Auckland City Council could have been used for the latter category but now it seems rather arbitary and perhaps the two should be merged? I had originally started a discussion here on just the Category:Politics of the Auckland Region, but now I think its a wider issue. Thoughts? Mattlore (talk) 20:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

A wider issue in what respect? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
In that its not just "Politics of", its a whole family tree of categories. Mattlore (talk) 21:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Which family tree of categories? In what way? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:18, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
I can't see the point of stuffing everything into a regional category. It's not like New Zealand has a strong identification of - or is significantly, politically, culturally or socially bounded by - its regions; unlike States of Australia or Provinces of Canada. I'm not sure what border between Auckland and Waikato Regions you're using either - it appears to be the googlemaps one which is at odds with the Waikato Region map, which in turn disagrees with maps on the Auckland Council website. I've recently browsed Category:People from the Auckland Region looking for rationales for including them there. Arthur Allan Thomas was one I thought significant enough to be in the wider Category:People from New Zealand, and as his home town of Pukekawa by some definitions is in Waikato Region - both Thomas and Pukekawa, and by extension Harvey and Jeannette Crewe are all miscategorised. Since our maps of territorial authorities (all still show Franklin) and regions are out of date and the region articles for Waikato and Auckland need redefining post-Supercity amalgamation categorising anything is premature. Another case is Martin van Beynen, categorised by his birth region although he works and is identified with Christchurch. Really, I cannot see any justification for bunging people into a regional category, unless they are actually associated with regional or local government, or are particularly known for their promotion of their region.FanRed XN | talk 03:44, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
What do you propose to do Fanx? Delete both Category:Auckland Region and Category:Auckland? I was just pointing out that the status quo doesn't seem to be particular satisfactory and I think merging the two would at least be a small improvement seeing as the boundaries between them are now either non-existant or arbitary. Quite willing to discuss other options.
Alan, I meant that its not just Politics of Auckland and Politics of Auckland Region, its everything in Auckland and everything in Auckland Region. Mattlore (talk) 05:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
This should probably be in the above discussion but this is where the talk is now.
I don't propose deleting either, a merge and redirect one to the other should fix it - which should be the main category and which should be the redirect needs deciding - and I am not yet sure which I'd support atm. On the point of subcategories I do have a strong position though - politics of Auckland [Region] should be limited to local body political issues and elections, people similarly should be limited to people that are strongly connected to Auckland, such as mayors and persons known for their attachment to Auckland. An accident of birth should not qualify, nor should (for instance) having been an MP for an Auckland electorate, given that MPs are supposedly in the service of the whole country and since 1865 are required to do their representation out of Auckland in Wellington. I have other issues with this whole concept of categorisation by region which I'll put elsewhere. FanRed XN | talk 06:25, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Similar position to me from the sounds of it then, they should be merged but I'm not too fussed which way. Categories like "people from" are used around wikipedia (Category:People by country and city) so that is a wider discussion than just our project. Region of course might not be appropriate in NZ, but like you said thats a conversation for above. Mattlore (talk) 08:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Urban area in red, broader region (plus or minus some outlying bits) in grey.
I'm coming late to this, but the status quo seems sensible to me, broadly speaking. Perhaps Category:Auckland should renamed to make it clearer that its scope is the Auckland urban area, not the broader region. I agree that the two politics categories are probably no longer worth distinguishing, and maybe also sport, but I'm not sure I would want to merge much further than that. Buildings, suburbs, history, transport, and others seem worth keeping distinct. --Avenue (talk) 13:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Peter Beck

Could some of you please watchlist Peter Beck (priest)? He's currently standing in a Christchurch City Council by-election and yesterday, an editor appeared who is closely related to the subject (see the article's talk page). I have reinstated some removed content, but the contributor has come back as an anon and removed it again. I'm going to be without internet access for a few days, so I'd appreciate others keeping a watchful eye on the article. Schwede66 18:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Fiji floods

Not strictly a NZ topic, but WPFiji seems to be pretty moribund. I notice there's not yet an article on the 2012 Fiji floods - probably worth having one. Any takers? Grutness...wha? 05:13, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Joseph Clarkson Maddison

Grats to User:Schwede66 to converting my stub of Joseph Clarkson Maddison into something suitable for the front page. A quick note about naming of architects: the DNZB goes by the fullest name it can find for people rather than the name they practised / lived / were famous under. So the list of architects' names on Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Requested articles (which uses the names they practised under) should probably have a lot more blue links once sane redirects are in place. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Somebody else started expanding it. I then picked it up, as Maddison was on my 'to do' list as a notable Christchurch person (I've done a lot of work on historic buildings in Christchurch). With regards to the architect list on WPNZ, I've looked through the list up to (and including) the letter 'K' and managed to find a few red links that should be blue. If somebody else wants to carry on with L and onwards, please feel free. Schwede66 05:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Map colours

Many of our maps have a colouration that is a little garish. Pink, green and orange are used. See [11]. I would like to see a change to the colour scheme - at the very least for orange. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:37, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

How do I become included as a NZ poet on this list

Hi. I am a New Zealand poet. I have performed for and with my peers on this list, and have had my poetry published and exhibited in New Zealand and online. Could you please provide information so that I may also be referenced on this list, with subsequent Wikipedia pages. My poetry has been performed at Raw Fish Salad, Poetry Live, Spectrum and published in Side Stream, Blackmail Press and Live Lines, and excerpt exhibited at Te Karenga Gallery, 'Ethosphere' Exhibition, Like Minds Like Mine. My poetry is my life and lives on my website

kind regards

Jodine Derena Butler — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for self-promotion. If there are independent sources which justify a claim to sufficient notability for inclusion someone will find it. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 06:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Advice sought

I uploaded the image at right today and added it to the Tane Mahuta article, with me as author and released PD. It was subsequently listed at Possibly unfree files, where the reason for listing is given as "commons:COM:FOP#New Zealand suggests that laws are similar to the United Kingdom, where photos of signs like this aren't allowed". Before I comment there, I am asking here if anyone has experienced such an event where a user says a commons guideline suggests something, and on that basis removes an image. And how did you deal with it? I took quite a few photographs in the Hokianga a week ago which would be useful for wiki articles, but I won't consider uploading them if the suggestion is valid. Moriori (talk) 02:35, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd ask this at WP:MCQ, I understand signs can be used if either de minimus applies (sign is small in background etc) or doesn't contain anything copyrightable (like a text only sign - which may apply here). I think the listing is basically saying they don't know if it's copyright or not, and would like confirmation it's ok to keep. Your own photos of nature, plants, rivers etc won't have a copyright issue. XLerate (talk) 03:00, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Department of Corrections (New Zealand)

Over the last couple of months this article has been transformed into an attack article. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:15, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

what a mess. I've reverted the whole thing to a version in Oct last year and updated about 2 things that were out of date in that version. - SimonLyall (talk) 03:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Please read the section on conflict of interest. Editors with COIs are strongly encouraged—but not actually required—to declare their interests, both on their user pages and on the talk page of the related article they are editing, particularly if those edits may be contested. Editors who disguise their COIs are often exposed, creating a perception that they, and perhaps their employer, are trying to distort Wikipedia. Offender9000 (talk) 05:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I am thinking of deleting the section on Structure and condensing it into a couple of sentences. The average reader is unlikely to be interested in the structure of the Department and there is little that can be added to each of the sub-headings that allow editing... Comments welcome - except from anyone who works at Corrections.Offender9000 (talk) 04:30, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

William Liley and

William Liley is somewhat of a train crash due to a years-old conflict between family and activists. I've done some rescue and fixed some links. I've also found a biography. Is that a license we can use? I'd like to replace the entire body of the article... Stuartyeates (talk) 07:15, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

That licence is both Non-Commercial and No-Derivatives, so we cannot use it. NC means that others cannot reuse the content for commercial gain, eg, selling a printed or value-added work. ND means that no one could edit the content. Neither is acceptable to us. It can be used as a source though.-gadfium 07:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I was confused by their use of the image from one version of the CC lisence and the URL from another. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Removal of an article about the founder of the of Anti-Bases Campaign.

The founder of the Anti-Bases Campaign was Owen Wilkes.

This article, [12] disappeared from this website for a few months. The article was replaced by a redirect to an article about a trial.

I have now reverted the redirect.

The text of the present article is "Owen Wilkes (died 2005) was a researcher, author and the founder[1] of Anti-Bases Campaign who was sentenced to a suspended prison sentence for espionage in Norway (the Wilkes/Gleditsch trial).[2]

  • Loran-C and Omega. A Study of the Millitary Importance of Radio Navigation Aids. (1987) Co-authored by N.P.Gleditsch]
  • Onkel Sams kaniner – teknisk etterretning i Norge (1981) Co-authored by N.P.Gleditsch

" --Golinu (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I've added sufficient content and references to it that it should no longer be tempting to change in back tot he redirect. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Improved the article and taken to DYK. See Template:Did you know nominations/Owen Wilkes‎. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Writers awards and residencies

I'm thinking of starting a page Writers awards and residencies of New Zealand. There are a lot of these, but I'll probably impose a 15 (or 20?) year minimum run or one year full time support criteria for inclusion. An overview of these can be found at the book council, but in most cases the aouthoratative source is somewhere else and that page is out of date. Thoughts? Stuartyeates (talk) 06:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

List of libraries in New Zealand

The List of libraries in New Zealand is far from complete. We could probably do with a Libraries in New Zealand article as well. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

this is the official source for such things, if your definition of a library is a physical building with information stored on pulp of murdered tree. I recommend we not include opening hours, but date of opening is good. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:35, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Agree that opening hours is not good but a date of establishment is. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I've contacted the DIA about obtaining this data in machine-readable format. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:01, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Great! I looked up the link hoping for a list and I thought "Oh dear" when faced with the searchable database. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:12, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I have received the data (approximately 500 libraries) and will have something shortly. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The data's live at List of libraries in New Zealand. There are some arbitrary break in there to make tidying easier, feel free to jump in. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:59, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I've just remembered Category:New Zealand librarians which is quite nicely populated by my recent DNZB work. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

It's pretty much done now, or as close to done as I'll likely to get it. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Birkenhead Public Library

An article that you have been involved in editingmight be of interest to this project, Birkenhead Public Library, has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 07:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Seriously??? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Do you mean the wording. AIRcorn (talk) 10:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
No, I mean the nomination of an article which is oversized for its subject, has 2 tags and as early as the third paragraph of the lede contains the sentence "Birkenhead Public has a notable history." DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 19:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Which is why it should be reassessed to remove the good article status. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:14, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Aah, my mistake. I didn't read the first para properly (having not considered that the article might ever have been given good article status)! Mea culpa. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 20:20, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Some NZ categories up for deletion

... at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 6. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/NZ/Dictionary of New Zealand Biography

I'm taking another look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/NZ/Dictionary of New Zealand Biography since there doesn't seem to have been much progress in a while. (a) I've fixed all the URLs on the subpages (DNZB has moved into Te Ara and while it didn't break any URLs, the search didn't recognise the redirects) (b) I've created a new category Category:People with biographies in Te Ara (c) I've written a Greasemonkey script to create sub-stubs from the pages. For example [13] from [14] (d) I'm planning on mass-creating, by hand, quite a few of these (probably a hundred in the first instance) (e) I would value feedback on the example page above, I know it's short but is it correctly styled? Part of the reason I'm asking here is that I've just been given the autopatrolled right, so I have no opportunity for feedback through that mechanism. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

It should say "a New Zealander", not "an New Zealander". Even better would be to combine the two sentences, to say "was a New Zealand merchant, dairy manufacturer and exporter." The description in NZDB lists the person's career highlights, but sometimes this is just a list, eg for William Colenso:"Printer, missionary, explorer, naturalist, politician". Can you insert an "and" before the last word if one does not already exist?
The second sentence "Merchant, dairy manufacturer and exporter" (or "New Zealand merchant, dairy manufacturer and exporter") should go in the short description field of the Persondata template.
Perhaps create an infobox too?
In case Te Ara ever changes their urls, please use the {{DNZB}} template for the reference.
I would prefer to see slightly more content, as this does not assert notability. I understand that this extra content would be very hard to automate. I'd also like to see a more specific category than just Category:New Zealand people. Someone is going to have to go through every such article to do these two things. However, the script certainly generates a good point from which to work.-gadfium 04:30, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I will certainly use the {{DNZB}} template.
I have just remembered {{NewZealand-bio-stub}} should I be using that too?
I will look into infoboxs, I've never used them before.
I'll get back when I have another sample Stuartyeates (talk) 04:34, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Good initiative. The reference should be inline with a refname already set up: <ref name="DNZB lastname"> The correct format for year ranges uses an endash. Schwede66 09:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback. I've had another iteration. See William Charles Nation from [15]. I've not included an infobox, as per Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes, but I believe I've done everything else (if I've understood the requests correctly). My category has been nominated for deletion, but the {{DNZB}} is more than adequate for tracking these, I think. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:40, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I've put a sample talk page at Talk:William Charles Nation. My plan is to cut and paste that for every not page (i.e. no customisation). Stuartyeates (talk) 09:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Just a small note, the first, last parameters of {{DNZB}} ought to be the author name rather than the subject name - Gareth Winter for William Charles Nation for example. XLerate (talk) 12:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I've updated the template document to make that clear and will shortly be updating my script. William Charles Nation was also tidied by a bot, so I'll be correcting that too. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I've just done about 10 stubs with my current script, working my way down N-Z. (a) Edward Newman (New Zealand politician) is the only disambiguation failure I seen so far. It was on the list under a different name; redirect created and DNZB ref added. (b) My script is failing and likely to continue to fail for articles with iwi in the lede (i.e. Katerina Nehua), my plan is to handle these by hand, since I regard the information as too important to discard. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible to tag Maori, musicians and politicians with the appropriate task force label on the talk page while you go through this process? Schwede66 21:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Currently I'm doing no customisation of the talk pages, but I'm fixing (by hand) references to iwi in the short bio. Adding WPNZ task forces to the talk page could easily halve the speed on doing these. I could leave the talk page empty for someone else to do, rather than cut and paste as per the example above. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I'd rather have an uncustomised talk page than an empty talk page. At least with the uncustomised templates, the pages will be picked up by the Wikiproject watchlist.-gadfium 22:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
With that tool, I will be able to watch the proceedings and look through the talk pages. I will amend them where needed. Schwede66 03:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
If you just want the pages I've created, it's hard to go past this link, also on toolserver. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I've done most of the N's. About one in five is actually already present, but under a different name, I've added redirects. I've left a few hard ones for later. I've added cut-n-paste talk pages. I'm guessing that the new pages list will be quite long next time it's run. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
PAUSING: I'm having an off-wiki conversation with Te Ara about a bug in their website which, if fixed, would allow the script to get substantially better metadata (and thus create substantially better stubs). I'm going to give them time to fix the bug. In the mean-time I've uploaded the greasemonkey script I was using to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/NZ/Dictionary_of_New_Zealand_Biography/MCH.js, in case I get distracted by other things between now and then. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
The bug appears to be fixed, but requires that I rewrite my script, I'll post some examples when it's done. In the interim, I wrote another script to generate, for example, Henry Butland from [16]. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:09, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I've done John James North and Manahi Nitama Paewai. Improvements in this interation include automatic linking to iwi and automatic linking to place-of-birth (where avaliable, in both cases). Stuartyeates (talk) 04:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Good. One suggestion for improvement is that we apparently don't link commonly known countries (like New Zealand or England) any longer. Schwede66 05:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I've removed a static link to New Zealand. Removing dynamic links is harder. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I've now done all the names starting with N or O. There are a handful not done, mainly those which are currently links to disambiguation pages or those that my script chokes on for various reasons. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
In this edit on my talk page User:DGG raises some issues with this process, highlighting Joseph Zillwood as an example of a biography of low inherent notability. I concede that Joseph Zillwood is indeed low on the scale of inherent notability, but believe they meet the requirements. Indeed, in Hill's two-volume Policing the colonial frontier (the official history of the early New Zealand police), Zillwood's life story is used as the culmination of the first volume to illustrate the problems of day-to-day policing in early New Zealand. Not necessarily absolutely important in himself, he is a representative of a larger class of people for whom there is rather less documentation, and the public reaction to his suicide is an important window into attitudes to policing at the time. There are three other non-trivial mentions of Zillwood in volume one. Part of the point of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias and Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles in particular is to encourage uniform coverage by including some of these kinds of articles. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I've added some more content and references. He appears to be the first reported felo de se in New Zealand (at least as found in PapersPast, which is only nearly complete). There were some earlier Auctrailian felo de se's reported on in New Zealand. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I've come across a couple of article such as [17] which are article for multiple people (usually siblings). I'm just going to leave these for the moment. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I've received some feedback that articles don't state the notability strongly enough (see User_talk:JetBlast#.7B.7Bdb-person.7D.7D_on_New_Zealand_bios), so I've updated my script to include the magic word notable. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
I've now done N-S + Z of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/NZ/Dictionary_of_New_Zealand_Biography/N-Z. There are a few 'hard' ones I've skipped. Some, like [18] I've contacted MCH to enquire about their justification for inclusion and whether there's anything I'm missing. I've also had a conversation with them about macrons and they hope to have them sorted by the end of this year. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:59, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Given that you've obviously got a good dialogue going with the crowd at DNZB, have you thought of asking the question whether they would consider changing the licence of the bio texts to Creative Commons? Schwede66 09:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I've had a similar conversation with them in the past without luck; I think asking them new questions is going to be more productive. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
If you check their copyright page it looks like new content is CC'd. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
No use really since it is CC-Attribution-NonCommercial. Meaning we can't really use it. Maybe they'll come around in a few years - SimonLyall (talk) 08:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
If that's no use, then the new branding, which shows off the same license much more liberally applied won't be either example, but the new skin is nice. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I've now finished [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/NZ /Dictionary_of_New_Zealand_Biography/N-Z |N-Z]], or at least those articles on which (a) my script works and (b) clearly meet the criteria of having an article. There are a reasonable number of names on the list that have only a shared article (usually sibling groups, look for pairs of red links on the list), I've not created articles for these. I've not thoroughly checked disambiguation pages either. There are also some names that appear to be on the list but not in the encyclopedia (maybe a maiden-name issue). I feel that these are best done by hand. I'm going to take a break before starting in on A-M. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Doing some tidying-up, I've been creating categories for the iwi on Template:Iwi as I come across people who should be in them. I'm populating each category with enough people to make it clear that it's not empty. I'm also creating soft redirects for the macron-impaired. In an ideal world there'd be an authoritative list/tree of iwi, because the whole thing is a bit of a mess, but at least it's moving towards a well-populated mess. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


I'm currently re-writing my script for the second half of the list and would like feedback:

  • I'm thinking of adding all women to Category:New Zealand women and all men to a newly created Category:New Zealand men category. Does that sound sane? Should Category:New Zealand men be a hidden category?
  • Can I treat DNZB as an authority for iwi? If they say someone is in an iwi and WP has no other mention or category for that iwi, should I make a iwi stub and category?
  • I'm thinking that once I'm done I'll ask a bot to add all people in Category:New Zealand Māori people to the Māori task force as per Template:WikiProject_New_Zealand; this can wait until right and then end and be done in a single pass. Does that sound sane?
  • Are there any other things I should be adding? Ideally things that can be done automatically?

Cheers Stuartyeates (talk) 03:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Those are all good suggestions. In addition, the bot run could also add bios to the politics task force if "politician" is one of the descriptions under the bio name. Schwede66 06:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Gah! I should have thought of that, I'll put it on the list. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Those are not all good suggestions. The first one in particular is quite bad: Category:New Zealand women explicitly states that it is not to have individual biographical articles added to it. Category:New Zealand men, if it existed, would likely have a similar condition. Wikipedia's general guideline on categorization by gender is that it should only be applied when gender has a specific relation to the topic; this is not such a case. See Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality for more information. — Paul A (talk) 05:25, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm happy to drop the gender categories and nuke Category:New Zealand men. I'm also happy to remove the notable that you objected to at User_talk:Stuartyeates#New_Zealand_women. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I've updated the script not to to generate the gender categories. I've depopulated Category:New Zealand men. I've nuked Category:New Zealand men. I've updated the script to avoid the word notable. I've generated some test cases based on the new script at: Edith Mary Mellish and Jacob Meltzer. Any more constructive feedback? Stuartyeates (talk) 05:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I've just finished the M and L names. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone know about Ngati Pukeko? There are a very few references, in DNZB and elsewhere, I may leave this as red linked. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:14, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Ngāti Pūkeko are based in the area around Whakatane, Pāroa and Poroporo in the eastern Bay of Plenty. Presently they are a hapū of Ngāti Awa (my tribe), but during the 19th century they were generally regarded as a separate iwi. Present-day hapū don't generally have articles, so I doubt one's necessary here. Probably leave it unlinked, or redirect it to Ngāti Awa. Cheers. Liveste (talkedits) 06:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I've created redirects to Ngāti Awa and Category:Ngāti Awa. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I've just checked the Māori Wikipedia and apparently there are three hapū with the name "Ngāti Pūkeko", belonging to Ngā Rauru [19], Ngāti Awa [20], and Ngāti Rangiwewehi [21]. So far I've found two articles that mention Ngāti Pūkeko: Te Kari Waaka and Matekoraha Te Peehi Jaram. Both of these people are from the Ngāti Awa hapū. Please let me know if there are others, and I can help find out which Ngāti Pūkeko they are from. Sorry for the confusion. Liveste (talkedits) 22:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Samuel Horouta Emery puts him in Ngāti Pūkeko too. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:35, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I can't determine which Ngāti Pūkeko he belongs to. What should we do with the Ngati Pukeko link? Maybe redirect to List of Māori iwi, and add piped links to Ngāti Awa in the articles on Waaka and Jaram? Liveste (talkedits) 03:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I've just finished the E; E-Z done, A-D left. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


I've now finished all A-Z. The only articles left are those (a) which feature more than one person and (b) those that break my script. I'll not be creating articles for either. There's a stack of work to be done including (a) work on categories (b) work on iwi/hapu links and categories (c) moves/redirects per WP:COMMONNAME (d) adding names to disambiguation pages and hat notes as appropiate (e) rounding up and motivating editors to expand the articles. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:32, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Well done! I've awarded you the New Zealand Barnstar of National Merit and am sure that others will be equally appreciative of your sterling effort. Schwede66 20:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Other stuff that still needs to be done (f) get a bot operator to all biographies in the Category:New Zealand Māori people to the the Māori task force; all biographies in the Category:New Zealand musicians to the the music task force; and all biographies in the Category:New Zealand politicians to the the politics task force (g) when MCH have finished their current work to normalise macronisation in the DNZB, normalise our use against theirs (yes, involves manually looking at all biographies) (h) probably some otehr stuff I've forgotten. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:48, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I've been working through Category:New_Zealand_people, replacing membership in it for membership in 2-3 others where possible. Lots of Category:New Zealand military personnel‎ (I know I should be putting into sub cats here, but I really don't understand military stuff), Category:People from X, Category:People from the X region and Category:X emigrants to New Zealand. I've also been creating a few new categories as I go, including Category:New_Zealand_Māori_weavers and Category:New_Zealand_Māori_carvers, see full list. Feel free to speedy move any name I might have got wrong. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:New_Zealand_people is now empty. As well as the categories mentioned above, Category:Iwi and hapu especially has been thoroughly populated. I'm pretty much considering this work as done now. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard#Dictionary of New Zealand Biography as an authority for notability

Please see the above concerning doubts that the DNZB standards for notability are comparable to ours. Mangoe (talk) 22:01, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Contents of the United States diplomatic cables leak (New Zealand)

This article covers the various cables released by Wiki leaks on a number of topics of note. The title and article are quite obscure and I think it would be better to have the individual paragraphs moved into the major articles on the topics mentioned. This would mean that anyone researching the topics would be aware of the US diplomatic take on the item. I also think that over time the knowledge of Wikileaks impact on the NZ scene would be better kept. What do others think? NealeFamily (talk) 02:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Are you suggesting a merge of the contents and then deletion? Or are you saying that related articles should be updated? Bear in mind that there is a whole set of these articles for different countries. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I think that stronger links between these sections and other articles on these issues. I'm thinking that many sections could bear a Template:See_also link to the main page for the topic / controversy touched on. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
My initial reaction to the article was that, if you were researching you would be more inclined to head for the topic of the cables than a cumulative article. I think the suggestion of strenghtening the link between these sections and other articles would be a good way to go, given as Alan has said, there are a whole set of these articles. NealeFamily (talk) 19:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I have created links in all the relevant articles NealeFamily (talk) 22:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Natalie Cantell

Is she a notable person. The article does not seem to have anything that merits notability. NealeFamily (talk) 03:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I would say not-notable and it looks like the page has been created by a model agency (User:AFmodels), self-promotion? Mattlore (talk) 04:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Agreed on all points. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank for your comments. I'll move it to AfD status.NealeFamily (talk) 09:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

St John Of God order in Christchurch

Should the following articles be combined?

All three articles are basically about the same thing and they even have their own category "Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in New Zealand" which has the three articles all about the single organisation its work and its problems. Should the three not be combined into one article or at least two?Rick570 (talk) 03:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

See above thread. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:New Zealand will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in New Zealand's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 22:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The Dictionary of New Zealand Biography work I'm currently during (see above) is relevant to this. The dictionary has many early NZ suffragists (NZ being the first country to give women the right to vote in national elections) and the DNZB appears to be been made pretty much gender-balanced in recent decades. Also what the DNZB calls women of mana (i.e. prominent Māori women). Most of these are only stubs with a single link to a solid source, but they're someplace to start. If I haven't added some well-populated categories of stubs below by the start of Match, poke me and I'll hunt them down. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Sounds great Stuartyeates! Thanks for your interest and energy related to the subject. I'm going to be bold and ass a WP NZ section to Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month#Upcoming_online_events. Then, when some stubs are gathered, feel free to post them there, or a link to a page or place on wiki where those links are at. I'm going to do my best to promote the projects that have activities going on for the month. Looking forward to contributing myself to your project! :) SarahStierch (talk) 19:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
I propose the articles in Category:New Zealand feminists and Category:New Zealand suffragists as targets, with the goal to (a) add at least one new reference per article and (b) to raise each article above stub status. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I've had email conversations with a number of potential contributors and expect a number to start editing shortly. Please drop me a message or email if you notice anything unexpected. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Sounds great. I suggest we get a few articles in Category:New Zealand suffragists ready for DYK. If you are keen to contribute, simply watchlist the 21 articles in the category. Schwede66 20:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Done. I've started working thought them in roughly chronological order. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Getting Kate Sheppard to GA quality this month would be a worthy goal. AIRcorn (talk) 23:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I'll try expanding some of the articles in Category:New Zealand feminists and Category:New Zealand suffragists. I've started with Sophia Louisa Taylor.-gadfium 01:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The articles I've expanded for Women's History Month are Sophia Taylor, Annie Jane Schnackenberg, Harriet Russell Morison and Ann Boyce. Schwede66 and others have helped. No one took up Stuartyeates' suggestion of getting Kate Sheppard to GA.-gadfium 04:06, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

New Resource from stats NZ

The official year books. Beware that the stats are harder to interpret than they might seem. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

What a great resource.-gadfium 02:50, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Agreed!! And they contain more than just statistics so we can now add refs to NZ articles where needed from the comfort of our own keyboards. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 06:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, valuable resource. Any suggestion for a ref we should standardise when quoting these? The cite web one? Moriori (talk) 07:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I would use {cite book} and make use of the url and ISBN parameters. Or the template suggested below is an option. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Assuming the 2010 yearbook becomes available online very soon, we should create a template {{NZYearbook2010}} with appropriate parameters to link to a section and display a section title. If the url later changes, we may well be able to deal with that by changing the template rather than lots of articles. When a later yearbook becomes available, it will be a manual process to update figures and check that the parameters are still correct, but we'll be easily able to find all refs to the 2010 yearbook.-gadfium 07:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I have gone off specific templates for references after I discovered that if, as an example, {{cite doi}} is used the COinS biblio metadata is not made available to biblio ref management programmes. I use Zotero a lot and it is great for pulling biblio data out of WP articles as well as adding refs. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

First National Innovation Brokers

I would encourage editors to voice an opinion on First National Innovation Brokers which claims to be a New Zealand based company; it is currently up for deletion. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks as dodgy as. A Hong Kong based, UK owned non-traded company with an inflated purported number of shares. NealeFamily (talk) 22:49, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

New Te Ara search

MCH have released a new search and are keen for feedback. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

St John of God Halswell

I need some advice on this one - is it notable and if not would it be best to merge it with the organisations article? NealeFamily (talk) 08:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

needs to be merged with Sexual abuse scandal at Marylands School, Christchurch and Brothers Hospitallers of St. John of God and Marylands School. All three articles are basically about the same thing and they even have their own category "Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in New Zealand" which has the three articles all about the single organisation its work and its problems. I suggest all of these are rationalised and joined up with St John of God Halswell and there may be others that should be put in as well. What do wikipedians suggest as the best way to handle it?Rick570 (talk) 00:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to differ with Rick570, I think it needs to be rewritten about the NZHPT status. Listed buildings are assumed to be notable. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Stuartyeates about the church, a glorious building (presumably not damaged by the earthquakes?). But what about my point regarding Sexual abuse scandal at Marylands School, Christchurch and Brothers Hospitallers of St. John of God and Marylands School. All three articles are basically about the same thing and they even have their own category "Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in New Zealand" which has the three articles all about the single organisation its work and its problems. I have started a new discuson about that.Rick570 (talk) 03:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict)I created the Marylands School article due to the abuse scandal. ADM (see User talk:ADM) a now blocked editor, created Sexual abuse scandal at Marylands School, Christchurch and was involved with Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in New Zealand - possibly creating it. Brothers Hospitallers of St. John of God is a notable long-standing international organisation. I suggest:
-- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you Alan Liefting. Of course the order should be left.Rick570 (talk) 05:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
The chapel is notable, as it's a Category I structure registered with NZHPT. I took a lot of photos the other month; see the commons category link. It's reasonably damaged, much like anything else that's old. Schwede66 10:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I'll tag Marylands School with a merge into Sexual abuse scandal at Marylands School, Christchurch to allow time for any further discussion and leave the others as they are (except for adding some photo's from Schwede66. NealeFamily (talk) 09:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Please try for balance in biographies

We seem to have biographies for living and recently dead people which are almost entirely negative. If you're working on a biography, especially a disgraced politician or someone who has been in trouble with the law, please be sure to add positive material as well as negative material. Pages such as Allan Hubbard (businessman) and David Garrett (politician) border on attack pages, please work for balance. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I have taken a look at both. Hubbard's is a work in progress with investigations still ongoing. Overall it is well referenced and seems balanced thus far. Garrett's case is more difficult - he has been very high profile with a pretty severe fall from grace. Again the statements made are accurate against the references cited. Hard to know how you could make it more positive at this point in time without any sources to go by. NealeFamily (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Department of Corrections (New Zealand)

There has been a mediation request lodged with the mediation committee over an editing dispute relating to this and some other New Zealand penal system articles that could be of interest to project members. NealeFamily (talk) 09:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

If an article has been referred for mediation, is it appropriate that one of those involved in the dispute continue to edit it before the mediation is resolved? NealeFamily (talk) 09:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I would have thought not. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:37, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Kirsa Jensen case

Just a note that the Kirsa Jensen case is AfD. NealeFamily (talk) 08:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Christodoulos Moisa

I would like someone from the project with knowledge of the New Zealand poetry scene to take a look the article and advise me if Christodoulos in notable as a poet in New Zealand. As he self-publishes his works I have been unable to find much in the way of independent references. I have not, to date, found any reviews of his work although some must exist as he cites various critics in his publicity. Also, there is a potential WP:COIN around the article that would be addressed if notability can be established. I have seen his works at our local library (Wellington), but none in the bookshops. NealeFamily (talk) 22:50, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

A key measure for the notability of poets is whether their work is anthologised i.e. included in professionally-edited poetry anthologies: The Penguin Book of New Zealand Verse is probably the premier print anthology in NZ; NZEPC and BNZP may be a leading digital sources in NZ (I have a serious conflict of interest in relation to BNZP). Landfall (journal), Sport and The School Journal are also high-profile places to publish original poetry in NZ. There are also some awards and funded positions (writers' residencies at various institutions) which would be evidence of notability. Be very careful to steer well clear of vanity press. Libraries are commonly given books by local authors as donations; WorldCat can give an estimation of the number of libraries globally that hold particular books (heavily skewed towards English-speaking countries and authors). Stuartyeates (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Surely an article created by its subject should be nominated for deletion! DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:22, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I shall do a bit more investigating before deciding whether to move it to AfD or not. NealeFamily (talk) 23:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Assistance requested with article on Hamilton Walker

I have started creating an article on Hamilton Walker, the inventor of the New Zealand rotary engine, at User:NealeFamily/Hamilton Walker (New Zealand), but have run out of sources at this stage. If anyone has anything else they can add please feel free to do so. I don't have enough information to submit it just yet, although he is notable. NealeFamily (talk) 02:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to write about the engine (and touch on the inventor), rather than the inventor (and touch on the engine). Sources [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I did consider that angle, but think he would end up lost in the middle of the Pistonless rotary engine article. Thanks for the links. NealeFamily (talk) 03:53, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


A user has pointed out to me that Taupō District Council use the macron in their name, and apparently local road signs also do. Please see our discussion at User talk:BridgeBuilderKiwi#Macrons, which began with my reversion of their edit at Taupo-nui-a-Tia College. Should we make an exception to our naming conventions for Taupō?-gadfium 04:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Taupō District Council is an authority for Taupō, so we should use the ō. For all the many names which include the word Taupo, we should wait until the entity changes it's name or until the NZGB changes the name. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Taupō is not listed by the NZGB as one of the place names with a macron therefore the official English version of the name is Taupo. The Taupo District Council has a very schizophrenic approach with both names being used throughout their website. I would recommend leaving it as Taupo. The Council's gazetted legal name is Taupo District Council, Local Government (Waikato Region) Reorganisation Order 1989, Gazette 1989, p 2460. To my knowledge this has not been amended. - NealeFamily (talk) 04:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
As Great Lake Taupō, Taupō District Council has been running a huge national TV and radio campaign for the last 12 months, wherein they actually pronounce the name correctly. This is what linguistic change looks like. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, and a real point of difference from the rest of the planet. I hope one day the official name will change as recognition of its origin. I cringe now I recall how we used to pronounce many Māori names. It is a very beautiful and poetic language. NealeFamily (talk) 08:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
When I first looked at editing suburb placenames I thought it was best to use the correct Māori spelling including macron. I guess I was against using the bastardized english version of a Māori word. At the time I thought Wikipedia could be used to educate people what the correct spelling of Māori places are, but really its role is to show things how they already are, not my view of how things should be. It does make sense to me to use the most common name, i.e. if 90% of the references don't use a macron. I'm still pro macrons though.Rudolph89 (talk) 21:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I too would be keen to take a more progressive stance, but that would not be in line with policy, alas. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
We should continue to monitor this and take our lead from the NZGB and legislation. I think over time there could be significant change in this area, meaning the policy will need revising. NealeFamily (talk) 02:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
We should see progress once LINZ have macron-supporting computer systems, which I believe are currently lacking. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
The latest LINZ data service update I received included the following: "Within the next month LINZ is planning to upgrade the topographic vector datasets to include macronised characters. This means that layers such as NZ Geographic Names will list Māori names correctly, e.g Lake Hāwea instead of Lake Hawea." So I presume this is a case of waiting and seeing. Daveosaurus (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Asset sales of State-owned enterprises

Given the past, present and likely future interest in the sale of State-owned enterprises of New Zealand we need to add some info on the whole process. The term "asset sales" should redirect to any such information given the frequency of its use. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month follow-up

Hi everyone! I just wanted to follow up with your project and see if any article creations or improvements took place in regards to Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month! If so, it'd be great if you could please post your article outcomes on guessed it...WWHM outcome page! Thanks everyone for all your efforts! Sarah (talk) 20:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I've added my four plus four suffragist articles expanded by Stuartyeates to that page. Were any other New Zealand-related articles expanded for WikiWomen's History Month?-gadfium 04:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Odd that you should say that, Sarah. I didn't know about Womens History Month, but I've just added several articles dealing with the question of infanticide in colonial New Zealand which deal with cases that pertain to four such women, either acquitted or who had capital sentences commuted to life imprisonment- Caroline Whitting (1872); Phoebe Veitch (1883); Lillian Fanny Jane Hobbs(1907); and Winifred Carrick (1917). I noticed that the Lillian Hobbs article seems to be having problems meeting the noteability guidelines. At the same time, though, I would also note that apart from the Minnie Dean piece, there is little else available on Wikipedia about the problem of infanticide in colonial New Zealand. Could I suggest a new category, 'Infanticide in New Zealand' ?Calibanu (talk) 23:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)User Calibanu

We now have a daylight saving adjusted time template

We now have a daylight saving adjusted time template

Use {{Time|NZST}} to produce:
07:29, 24 May 2018 NZST [refresh]

Daylight savings offsets are programmed up to 2018. Ain't it beautiful... -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

That looks useful. I do notice that the guts of it in {{Current daylight saving offset in New Zealand}} says that Daylight Saving starts in April and finishes in September, whereas it should be the other way around. Whoever set this up was not thinking of the Southern Hemisphere! Still, so long as it works...-gadfium 00:47, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Hmm. I didn't notice that when I looked at it. I will fix it up. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Copy of 'The Reed Dictionary of New Zealand Place Names'

Does anyone have a copy of:

  • Reed, A. W. (2002). The Reed Dictionary of New Zealand Place Names. Auckland: Reed Books. ISBN 0-7900-0761-4.

It is used often in NZ articles as a ref, including Akaroa and my newly minted Akaroa Harbour. I boldly used it as an inline ref in the latter. It will need to be checked. I would like to see it used as an inline ref wherever it is used. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I have the later version: Reed, A. W. (2010). Peter Dowling, ed. Place Names of New Zealand. Rosedale, North Shore: Raupo. ISBN 9780143204107.  I'd be happy to send you scanned pages if you work on anything in particular. Or you could even come and borrow the book. Schwede66 05:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Timeball station

File:Timeball station.jpg has been nominated for deletion. (talk) 05:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

New Zealand Electronic Text Centre

The New Zealand Electronic Text Centre has just rebranded and changed it's URLs from to This impacts on approximately 2468 URLs in article namespace. There should be appropiate redirects in place to avoid breaking any links (if any links are broken please let me know, either here or on my userpage) and these redirects should continue to work for > five years. Once the dust has settled (~ a month) I plan to file a bot request to change the links en-mass rather than rely on the redirect. On the positive side, the new URL makes the relative status of the NZETC clearer. Disclaimer: As per my user page I have significant conflicts of interest in relation to this. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

A problem of my own making: Category:New Zealand Māori people

Maybe this question belongs on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_New_Zealand/Māori_task_force, but this page is a little more high-traffic.

I recently add a whole lot of articles for Māori people as part of my DNZB work. As part of that, I added people to Category:New Zealand Māori people as well as per-iwi/hapū categories that I made up as I went along (named based on the iwi/hapū page). I've now ended up in a bit of a mess. The main symptoms are: (a) Category:New_Zealand_Māori_people containing many assorted random things which are confusing to me, let alone someone hew to the field (b) Category:Rangatira which is problematic because there is no reliable measure for membership (c) List of Māori people which is also problematic because there is no reliable measure for membership (d) Some iwi/hapū pages (i.e. Ngāti Kahungunu containing long lists which duplicate membership in their respective categories, and others not.

I would like to propose (1) a new Category:New Zealand Māori people by waka, iwi, hapū or whanau as a parent of the new iwi categories (sub cats would contain only people) (2) rewrite the text at Category:New_Zealand_Māori_people to make it clear that this is the primary decomposition (3) only list people in Category:New_Zealand_Māori_people if they're not in a sub cat of Category:New Zealand Māori people by waka, iwi, hapū or whanau (4) delete Category:Rangatira and List of Māori people making sure that all the members are in appropriate other categories (I'd fix incoming local links and redirect the pages to Māori culture and Māori culture to handle external links) (5) Trim membership lists on iwi/hapū pages to only dead people (or 10 in total for small ones) (6) recast Category:New Zealand Māori people by occupation to match Category:New Zealand people by occupation where possible, including links between them. Quite a few new and existing categories could also do with more explanatory text. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm just going to start with this, since no one seems to have a problem with it. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:26, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Working my way through Category:New_Zealand_Māori_people (alphabetically), trying to put into both an iwi and an occupation category before I remove them. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

This is now complete. Category:New Zealand Māori people is once again a managable size, and about evenly divided between contemporary people and early Māori, all of whom are of unknown iwi/hāpu (or at least unknown in the article). Stuartyeates (talk) 09:59, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

New Zealand Historic Places Trust

I've started work on the New Zealand Historic Places Trust register in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles namespace, you can see it here. I've started with Wellington (because I know it reasonably well) and with Category I places (because I believe that they're notable). I'm a little confused about the use of commas vs paraentheses for disambiguation, i.e. Government House (Wellington) vs Government House, Wellington. The architecture disambiguation rules (which I had presumed to be operating under) appear to disagree with the placename disambiguation rules. Conveivably we need both, with one being a redirect. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

There was a debate about commas vs parentheses for geographical locations some time ago. NZ had commas and the US had parentheses. We won. I prefer the use of commas. A quick survey of NZ building shows that it is the more wider used naming style of the type type. Also, the the urls are easier and the typing is easier. I don't see the need for a redir form the parentheses version. The WP search engine is good enough. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:24, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
I've just had a look at WP:NCNZ and it's not clearly covered on that page, but there's a discussion on the talk page, and the gist is that we ought to use the comma where a dab is needed. I think I once asked that question when I worked on List of historic places in Christchurch, which requires dabs for dozens of articles. Good idea to set up redirects with bracket dabs, though.
On the same topic, I wrote to NZHPT yesterday, suggesting that they make the text in their register available under a licence compatible with our requirements. The suggestion is now under consideration by their Chief Executive. Schwede66 05:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I've had another crack at this. I've changed the table layout and done cat I and cat II places for five regions. The entries for churches are going to take quite a bit of work to get into shape, but not nearly as much work as is going to be required for the many places just called Pa, Terrances or Ovens. House and Cottage are also common, but presumably hose will have been solved in other countries. See New Zealand Historic Places Trust. If anyone has a region they're particularly interest in me doing next, give me a yell. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

All the regions are now done. The only mangling I'm aware of doing is around the use of square brackets in building names for [relocated] and [demolished]. I've changed these to (relocated) and (demolished) because it was easier than escaping the square brackets. Stuartyeates (talk) 11:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Very well done, Stuartyeates. I offer the following thoughts:
  • Each table has two columns that are redundant ('region' and 'cat'), as the information is already contained within the page name itself. Or is there a good reason related to further automatic processing why those columns are there?
  • It might pay to relate this to the work on Commons, where the NZHPT register follows a similar structure (we need to add the Chathams there; somehow I missed that region).
  • At the very least, we could have the highest level Commons Category template displayed on each page. I've done that on the Auckland Category I page as an example.
  • We could even go as far as adding the relevant Commons Category template to the table where they exist. I'm creating heaps of them as I come across photos.
  • The name of the Commons Category template could possibly inform the name of the redlink, but there would be exceptions (for example, there is a redlink for the Maori War Memorial, but on Commons, it is 'Maori War Memorial, Whanganui'; we can simply move the page on WP when we have another Maori War Memorial in another place, whereas there is no facility for non-admins on Commons to move categories, so I much more readily dab when I create categories there).
  • Where there isn't a Commons Category template, but a photo is available, we could stick that into the table instead.
  • So if you want to remove the two redundant columns, maybe you replace them with one column for 'Commons'.
  • Neither 'relocated' nor 'demolished' would appear to be needed or desirable for the WP article name. If it's been demolished, the article will explain that. If it's been moved, well, it's still about the same structure, it's just that it's been in different locations. Presumably, one article will cover the various locations (e.g. Victoria Clock Tower).
  • I've also struggled with 'house' and 'cottage' and in the end, I have settled on 'House at xyz Example Street' and 'Cottage at abc Example Avenue' (there are some older categories on Commons based on 'xyz Example Street'). In all reality, if a house or cottage doesn't even have a name, it's not very likely to be notable, so it's probably not a big issue.
I hope this is helpful. Schwede66 19:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, it is helpful. In response:
The redundant cats were for sorting in my original scheme where all the places were in a single huge table. Turns out wikipedia doesn't like tables that big. I'm still planning separate tables for all the Māori sites and maybe all the church sites. In these tables being able to sort will be useful. I'm also taking suggestions of useful subsets that people might be interested in.
Commons links in these tables are also much less helpful because they always show blue. I'm also currently steering clear of commons for reasons of crazy.
These tables, like everything in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles is essentially emphemerial. Tables designed to be user-facing would be very different. I can create you a csv / excel file for that if you like.
I had assumed that the NZHPT names were the official nomenclature which should be used in the article title. Things like this.
I'm a redirectionist, so I'm happy with lots of redirects for this pages like 'Maori War Memorial, Whanganui'
Pa is harder than House, because they don't useful street addresses in many cases.
Stuartyeates (talk) 21:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Re Commons and user facing, I was rather thinking of other editors. I for one am much more likely to write an article about a building if I have material to illustrate it with.
And NZHPT is far from being an authority on naming. Especially with churches, I often go for something different (after a bit of research) than the NZHPT name. Some of the content on the site is seriously outdated. The other day, I couldn't find a building that I wanted to take a photo off; turns out that it was shifted to Ferrymead Heritage Park in the mid 90s (not that the entry told you that). The worst case that I have come across was a significant change in use to a building in the 1980s, which resulted in it being known as something different. It would be fair to assume that the register was put online long after that, but the text was obviously from the initial report from the 1980s, and it has never been updated since. The register shows all the signs of an organisation that is under-resourced, and you can thus not rely on the article names being appropriate. Schwede66 02:30, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Department of Corrections (New Zealand) yet again

This article is still a dog's breakfast of wild claims that I don't have the time (nor the knowledge of the Department's workings) to address. I've removed the most obviously tinfoil-hatted claim and reinstated an NPOV tag (which will probably have been reverted by the time anyone sees this) but it would be really appreciated if it could be looked at by someone with enough spare time, some knowledge of the subject and the diplomatic skills necessary to deal with an editor who is a capable writer but who doesn't understand Wikipedia standards. Thanks. Daveosaurus (talk) 06:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I've already been involved in a failed mediation over this issue, so I should probably recuse myself. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:32, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm staying away too. This guy has devoted his life to this cause, he's not going to give up any time soon or be converted to NPOV. He can devote 30 minutes a day, every day, for the next 5 years to making sure the article reflects his views. Have fun. - SimonLyall (talk) 10:22, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Surely such a clear failure to abide by core wiki policy should be countered by topic banning or some similar measure? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Department of Corrections (New Zealand)". Thank you.

A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of Offender9000 (talk · contribs). You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Offender9000. -- Stuartyeates (talk) 06:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Perth requested-move notification

A requested move survey was started at Talk:Perth_(disambiguation)#Requested_move, which proposes to move:

Background: There was a previous requested-move survey which ran from late May to mid June. There was a great deal of controversy surrounding the closure and subsequent events, which involved a number of reverts and re-reverts which are the subject of an ongoing arbitration case. There was a move review process, which was closed with a finding that the original requested-move closure was endorsed; however, the move review process is relatively new and untried. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 03:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

This is the New Zealand WikiProject. We get really upset if we are called Australians! Face-smile.svg -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I have posted this to a large number of country WikiProjects: Russia, Brazil, China, Germany... it's an unusual step, but it would really be helpful to get a very wide range of opinions, to try to get a definitive resolution. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 03:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I have copied it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Alan, I think they have posted it on other project pages such as ours to get a wider range of contributors. Though initially I too thought it was a case of mistaken identity. Mattlore (talk) 03:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Ministry for Primary Industries (New Zealand)

Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry (New Zealand) was moved by Orangemike to Ministry for Primary Industries (New Zealand). I would prefer to retain the old page and start the new page afresh. A govt dept name is sufficiently notable to support retention of it even if it is defunct. We have similar cases such as the Wildlife Service and the Forest Service. Also, the current page is a mess and it has a messy edit history. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Just want to see if we are all cool with it. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

According to [27] it's not a strait rename but a merger of three organisations, so I think a seperate article is in order. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. I will extricate the mess. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:Cromwell, New Zealand up for deletion

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_June_24#Category:Cromwell.2C_New_Zealand. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:05, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/NZ/Olympians

I have created a list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/NZ/Olympians. It based on the official website, for better or worse (mainly for worse in the handful I've looked at closely, the NZOC data is pretty shocking). Some of the people may not be covered by the presumed notability of olympians if they only made it to an empire or commonwealth games. I'm also adding some links to Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Requested articles, including all the Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles lists I'm aware of that relate to NZ. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:04, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I meant to get around to the remaining Olympians after I finished the medallists but I got too busy at work (and it did/does seem a bit daunting!). You're right that the info on the new NZOC site is shocking, don't know why they've removed the bios. It's certainly going to make creating articles more difficult.DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 08:56, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Should we have a bit of a go of creating articles for the 2012 class of Olympians? Might get a few people involved in the project as it's topical and it keeps on top of the list :) Mattlore (talk) 20:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for making a list, I'm a bit gutted too that the NZOC removed their athlete bio information in this information age and all. I've had a good go at NZ Commonwealth athletes before, and I'm keen to do some Olympian bios aslong as they medal ; ). Rudolph89 (talk) 10:17, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Academic Colleges Group and assiciated pages

I'd ask editors to keep their eyes on Academic Colleges Group and assoicated pages. There was a deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ACG English school, but a number of the pages such as ACG Senior College are back. These are commercial entities and it feels like there's paid editing / COI editing going on; certainly the content is seems very different to other schools pages I've come across. I've removed a little bit of stuff and added lots of {{cn}} tags. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

A media celebrity in Norway

This man might be the most known New Zealander (and Maori) in Norway—Busby Nobles. His fame started as an a purported kidnapping victim. Busby Nobles seems to be a media celebrity in Norway—a few notches below Rihanna.

Should his name be in any other articles than History of New Zealanders in Norway, and the article about Jarle Andhøy? --Plumbet (talk) 09:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Depends. If he is mentioned prominently in multiple reliable sources (i.e. reputable newspapers with articles mostly about him) then you could possibly make an article about him. Otherwise it is probably best to just mention him in the Jarle Andhøy as he is currently. AIRcorn (talk) 09:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm seeing more hits for him in Norwegian-language sources than in English sources. If you believe that those sources are likely to make him notable, I'd encourage you to start a page, if you give us a link we can certainly add NZ content. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:41, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

The one article that I have linked to, is about him—rather than about the voyage captained by Jarle Andhøy. --Plumbet (talk) 12:49, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


I'm finding more of my time taken up by undoing edits that constitute vandalism on NZ pages. I don't really want to be doing that! Any good tools to use out there? Is there anyway to quickly stop unregistered IP's from making more than one nuisance edits? Rudolph89 (talk) 08:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Broken links to

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed that all these links are borked. Not sure whether there's an easy way to fix them on mass? Stuartyeates (talk) 08:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Clarence Hadfield D'Arcy CHANGE TO Darcy Clarence Hadfield

The surname (family name) is Hadfield. Darcy is the first name. In English usage, the surname comes last. Please shift article heading to read... Darcy Clarence Hadfield Note that "Darcy" (not D'Arcy)is the Hadfield family's spelling in New Zealand, whatever its origin. Citation: Dawber, Carol and Lynette Wilson, "Awaroa Legacy: The story of the Hadfield family", Picton, NZ: River Press, 1999, page 96. Comment by Gilbert Hadfield, a relation. Gilbertnz (talk) 21:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed, see Darcy Clarence Hadfield. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Origins of Queen Carnival - NZ

The Queen carnival page states: The first provincial Queen Carnival in New Zealand was held in Dunedin on 27 August 1915. That statement appears to be incorrect. A news report in The West Australian (Perth, WA) Thursday 5 August 1915 p. 2, suggested that [war relief] funds should be raised by means of a 'Queen Carnival," a method which [an anonymous correspondent] said had been employed with great success in New Zealand. He enclosed a cutting from a Wellington paper, to show that a recent "Queen Carnival" conducted in that city had yielded £100,000. Further, the Cairns Post (QLD) Tuesday 24 August 1915 p. 8, reported: Mr. R. H. Williams, who won the New Guinea tour in connection with the Queen carnival held in Wellington, N.Z., arrived in Sydney... Thus the winner of the Wellington Queen Carnival prior to August 1915 was a Mr. R. H. Williams... and he had arrived in Sydney prior to the Dunedin Carnival.Danglez (talk) 11:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I've taken a quick look at the article and added a bit more to it from various papers of the period. The first recorded Queen Carnival in New Zealand was either held in Whanganui or New Plymouth in 1914.NealeFamily (talk) 11:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Video of Radio Network House implosion

I've taken a rather nice video of the Radio Network House implosion in Christchurch this morning. I'd like to make this available to Wikipedia (through Wikimedia Commons), and there are a couple of problems where I need help:

  • I understand that Commons accepts videos in OGG format only. My camera produces MOV file format.
  • I held the camera on its side, so the resulting video should be turned by 90 degrees.

Can anybody help with these issues? If yes, please post here and contact me via Wiki email. Schwede66 20:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Commons Help:Converting_video should get you started. Let us know if you need more help. - SimonLyall (talk) 11:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm aware of that page. What I'm not aware of is a single free video editing software that can convert my movie files from MOV to MPEG format, which is the first step in the conversion to OGV format. They all fail, always moaning that 'this particular codec isn't supported'. I take my videos either with a little Sony (DSC W210), or with a Canon (EOS 1100D), and for this one, I used the Canon. Any other pointers or offer of help?
A related question - would 'Implosion of Radio Network House' meet notability requirements? Schwede66 19:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
It might not be notable by itsself but would fit very neatly into the "Affected buildings"" section of 2011 Christchurch earthquake. NealeFamily (talk) 22:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Having had a look how much media coverage the event received, I have decided that it should be worthy of its own article. I have thus started a page in my userspace, and others are invited to chip in. The video has been done (the info on the Commons help page was useless, but somebody talked me through the process). I'll nominate the finished product at DYK. If it goes through a a merge proposal, so be it. Schwede66 21:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Great video - I didn't realise it was our first implosion demolition so it is significant.NealeFamily (talk) 21:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The article has been written. If somebody wants to nominate it at DYK, please feel free. I'm off to work now. Schwede66 21:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Culture of New Zealand

This template needs to have the red links sorted out. It is based on a generic template so it is useful. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Michael Redman (politician)

The Michael Redman (politician) article is currently in all kinds of trouble. The subject is definitely notable, but the sourced coverage is almost entirely in relation to a single negative controversy. An SPA trying to fix the article doesn't appear to be helping. The timing doesn't help, with most of the coverage in the online newspaper articles being controversy articles. I'm open to suggestions as to what to do, but my current idea is merge most of the Controversy section to Hamilton 400, generalizing it in the process and write a short Hamilton 400 section for the Michael Redman article. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree with your suggestion. Needs a good hard edit to reduce it to sensible level and brief section in the demise of the Hamilton 400 should cover most of the topic. Notable in a local sense at present but probably only worth a line or two in the grander scheme of things in 10 to 15 years time. NealeFamily (talk) 08:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Phormium / New Zealand flax

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants#Phormium_.2F_New_Zealand_flax. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Some of the redirects on the articles talk page were pointing to different articles than the article. I have them all going the same way now I think. AIRcorn (talk) 08:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Christchurch Central Recovery Plan

I don't know how much people outside of Christchurch follow what is happening, or how much detail the media reports, but the /Christchurch Central Recovery Plan is certainly a biggie. Together with its anchor projects, it will completely change the face of the central city. So I thought I better give the document (the hardcopy has some 100 pages) a thorough read before I get writing. What puzzles me is the copyright. On page 60 of the PDF version, you'll see:

Is the crown copyright statement there so that individuals and companies who have worked on the plan know that they don't have the copyright themselves, but that it rests with the crown, which in turn has chosen to release everything under CC BY 3.0? Schwede66 09:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Schwede - I suggest you list the question at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions as it requires technical knowledge of copyright law.NealeFamily (talk) 09:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I have done as you have suggested. Meanwhile, that shouldn't stop other knowledgeable editors watching this page from commenting here. Schwede66 18:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Copyright is sorted (it's basically as I assumed). I've started the article in my user space (link above is updated). Schwede66 20:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

image:New Zealand Troops in Torquay 1918.jpg

File:New Zealand Troops in Torquay 1918.jpg has been categorized into cleanup categories for no-author and no-source. Since this is about NZ ANZACs in England during 1918, I figured you might know. -- (talk) 10:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

NZ Academics editing WP

  • Hi Folks, I'm running a small workshop for a few academics at the School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury on Friday (07/09/2012) at 1300 NZST. We plan to expand a few of the species articles relevant to the research here (many of which are of significance to NZ). I am hoping a few of you NZapedians will help mentor my colleagues. I'll try to put a list of contributors/articles in my userspace so you all can follow along. Cheers! --Paul (talk) 23:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi all, I was one of the lucky ones that got access to the Highbeam database in the last round. see Wikipedia:HighBeam/Applications for details. It doesn't have many NZ sources but if anyone needs a hand and thinks I can help feel free to give me a bell. Mattlore (talk) 23:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Official datasources and privacy conversation

I've started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Question_regarding_publicly_avaliable_official_databases about the use of official NZ data sources where those data sources contain personal information (particularly residential addresses) and how it relates to wikipedia harassment policies. I would appreciate NZ eyes / opinions. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Dubious category additions

User:Asalrifai is on a mission adding categories (relating to honours) to biographies without the text of the bios referring to these honours, nor providing any supporting sources. He's a prolific editor, but does not respond to approaches on his talk page. Of concern is that he has been pulled up by other editors for having added honours categories to fictional characters. I can imagine this to be true (and it is listed in the article), but have no idea about this one, and this one looks rather dodgy. Any suggestions? Schwede66 20:55, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Treat it like anything else, if it is unsourced - it has no place on wikipedia. Before you remove any I'd leave him a message telling him what you are doing and then go for it. Mattlore (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Autopsy images of Ngatikaura Ngati

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Autopsy images of Ngatikaura Ngati#Inclusion of autopsy image. -- Trevj (talk) 08:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Washington Declaration

If anyone has a spare moment and is interested, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Washington Declaration could use some expert help. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC) (AFC reviewer)

Rotoroa Island

Italic text

Just a little confused it says a couple leased the island from the salvation army then they gifted it to Auckland Council after that. Not sure how you can gift land you don't own? This probably needs to be fixed. They either bought the land off the salvation army then gifted it or the leased the land then the salvation army gifted the underlying freehold title to auckland council, or they terminated the lease and the salvation army gifted the land to the auckland council. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

We just report what the sources say. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:31, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Pacific Media Mess

There are a cluster of articles: Pacific Media Centre, Pacific Media Watch, Pacific Journalism Review and David Robie, which have been created by a small group of editors in a promotional manner. I have no doubt that there is notability here, but it seems very doubtful there's four articles worth of notability, even bearing in mind that we're desperately short of coverage on pacific topics. I'm tempted to merge and redirect Pacific Media Centre and Pacific Media Watch to David Robie. Thoughts? Stuartyeates (talk) 22:31, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Image not displaying

I can't figure out why the image is not displaying in the infobox of Dunedin mayoral election, 2007. They are displaying for the subsequent election, and I just can't spot the difference. Any suggestions? Schwede66 22:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixed! for some reason it needed to know the party Chin was in before displaying the image. Mattlore (talk) 22:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Not a very sophisticated template, eh? Schwede66 23:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Te Aitanga-a-Hauiti == Ngāti Hauiti ?

Ngāti Hauiti is a stub with little or no actual content. I'm thinking that it may be a synonym of Te Aitanga-a-Hauiti. The meaning of the two names suggest that they are. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Turns out that they're different. I've added content to Ngāti Hauiti to make this clear. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:16, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill

There is lots and lots of coverage about this appearing in many reliable sources (as well as the usually flood of partisan pres releases). Much of this boils down to name-calling and is clearly inappropriate for the relevant section of Same-sex marriage in New Zealand. Is it inappropriate to put in the politicians pages? I'm thinking of things like United Future leader Peter Dunne distanced himself from his former colleague, calling Mr Copeland a "serial nutter". He added that the Conservative Party was "welcome to him". reported in Is there a standard section name for a politicians' stance on same-sex marriage? Stance on same-sex marriage? Stuartyeates (talk) 19:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I would consider a politicians stance on such a matter too trivial for inclusion in ther article. In fact I can't see the notability of pointing out their stance anywhere. If the amendment passes, possibly even if it doesn't, that would be notable, who voted for or against isn't (the same as any other amendment). DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Ben Hana

I'd like advice on this edit. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks ok to me from a Wellingtonian POV, the information seems to be accurate.Rudolph89talk 08:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Can you outline your concern, please? Schwede66 08:44, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
What triggered by my issues were the removal of specific criminal offenses from the article and the addition of an alternative name to the metadata that wasn't in the article body. I see that some of the references mention the name, so it's just me being paranoid. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Governments/ministries of New Zealand

How are these two categories different: Category:Governments of New Zealand and Category:New Zealand ministries? Couldn't one be merged into the other?

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly] 00:20, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Broken links

Links like (from Mike_Moore_(New_Zealand_politician)) and (from David Beattie) appear to be broken and unlikely to come back. Someone probably needs to go through and check all urls to these websites using Special:LinkSearch. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Mark Hotchin

I shall go on holiday in a few days time and that will mean a wikibreak. Could others please watchlist Mark Hotchin? User:DLMMackie has done some very strange edits to this page, which I had to revert in their entirety twice now. It would be good for others to keep an eye on things, too. Thanks. And have a jolly good end of year, and I hope you all get some good holidays in. Schwede66 08:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Gananoque (ship)

There's concerns about Gananoque (ship), which from the way its written, was notable in New Zealand. See WT:SHIPS where the discussion is occurring -- (talk) 07:12, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Time template

It's currently telling me we're a bit after 1pm NZST. It should be displaying NZDT. Robin Patterson (talk) 00:15, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Auckland Councillors

Hi all, Cameron Brewer has been nominated for deletion. The wider question around this will be, is the Auckland Council big enough to make the councillors notable (like MPs) or should they be assumed to not be notable (ala all the other councils). This would also effect Alf Filipaina, Michael Goudie, Des Morrison, Calum Penrose, Noelene Raffills, Sharon Stewart, Wayne Walker (politician) and potentially Penny Hulse and Sandra Coney. Mattlore (talk) 19:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, the AfD has been withdrawn. You stated in your AfD contribution that there was a discussion about notability after Auckland Council was established. I think it would be useful if you could, in a reply, link to this discussion. If need be, some others may also comment. Once we have consensus (or the previous discussion may already show consensus), we should document that notability has been met for Auckland councillors and note that on the politics page (with a link back to this discussion). That way, we won't have to go through AfD discussions again. Schwede66 01:45, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

TFA to mark Waitangi Day

I've scheduled Huia as one of the few New Zealand FAs yet to appear on the front page for 6th February. The blurb is at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 6, 2013. I hope you approve! If you can improve the article or the blurb, please do so - or indeed improve Waitangi Day itself, which is currently ineligible to appear on the "On this day..." section of the main page because of the maintenance tags on the article. Regards, BencherliteTalk 19:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I have now removed the tags (drive by tagging?) from the Waitangi Day article and removed some contested material. It could do with a few more refs but I reckon it is ok. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:21, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Muriel Newman

Can someone please have a look at the edits made to Muriel Newman for me? I feel like all I've been doing is reverting so would appreciate some extra eyes and opinions. Mattlore (talk) 06:35, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks guys, nice to see the cavalry arriving. Mattlore (talk) 03:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Auckland FIDS.jpg

file:Auckland FIDS.jpg has been nominated for deletion. The image description page is also in need of cleanup. -- (talk) 06:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pre-Maori settlement of New Zealand conspiracy theories

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The primarity of "Waka" is under discussion, see talk:Waka -- (talk) 11:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Can someone do a 'snow oppose and close the discussion? I don't think I should - I put in an oppose !vote. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:31, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Good idea. I can't do it either, as I also voted already. Schwede66 23:27, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


file:BlankMap-NewZealand.png has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Owenga class notable?

I'd like to get some feedback on the potential notability of Owenga class, a kiwi design of fishing vessel, of which 4 of 9 are thought to have been lost at sea.[1] Thoughts?

I had a quick google for the phrase and it only seems to be used in connection with the loss of the Easy Rider, so I don't think so. I did however notice while looking for an appropriate article to use as a base for compiling information about the class, that there doesn't seem to be a Shipbuilding in New Zealand article comparable to, say, Automotive industry in New Zealand. Might it be an idea to start work on that, and if there turns out to be sufficient notable content on the Owenga class, to spin it off into its own article later on? Daveosaurus (talk) 07:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to seek opinions at WT:SHIPS as well. Nick-D (talk) 07:40, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand Sea Lion

I've recently been in a bit of edit fight with another user over what to include in the Bycatch section of the New Zealand Sea Lion article. I've been coming from a conservation perspective, and the other editor seemingly from a government perspective, and we can't agree on the content. Does someone (a 3rd party) want to have a look and see what should/shouldnt be included, as I feel I'm a bit close to this now. Thanks Rudolph89talk 07:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

National colours of New Zealand

Hi all. A few weeks ago, I created National colours of New Zealand. Currently, it only has three incoming links, and I'm currently adding more, but as I'm not particularly familiar with NZ, I'd like to request that someone find a few relevant articles to link to it, otherwise it will effectively remain an orphaned article. (It can probably be worked into many of the sport-related articles to which this article links, among others. For National colours of Canada, I've found links related to heraldry, arms, symbols, etc.) Mindmatrix 16:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

This article is pure WP:OR. New Zealand has no national colours. The dpmc link only applies to the New Zealand Orders Insignia. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
How so? The article clearly states "Red ochre was given official sanction as a national colour with the institution of the QSO in 1975. (Other New Zealand national colours are black and white/silver and these may be found in the design of a variety of ribbons for other medals.)" It does not specify that these are only insignia colours. Is the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet not a reliable source? Mindmatrix 17:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Te_Kooti, Ringatū and the reliability of works by Judith Binney

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Te_Kooti.2C_Ringat.C5.AB_and_the_reliability_of_works_by_Judith_Binney that people may be interested in. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

It appears the issue here relates specifically to User: who appears to have a history of POV editing and limited interest in following wiki guidelines and the advice of other users. Perhaps it is possible for another editor to rewrite the material with a more NPOV? I haven't read any of Binney's work, though I probably should have, so can't comment on their neutrality. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I've dropped Claudia a note about that discussion.-gadfium 22:25, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:2009 in New Zealand cricket

Category:2009 in New Zealand cricket, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:27, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Adoption of New Zealand reggae

I have decided to adopt this article and am currently attempting a total rewrite here on behalf of the Music genres task force and in support of WikiProject Reggae and WikiProject New Zealand.

If anybody wants to help, has any suggestions, constructive criticism or can point me in the direction of potentially useful and reliable sources they would be welcome. ThurstenEgorGreene (talk) 13:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Environmental Protection Authority

Hello all. I have noticed the entry for the Environmental Protection Authority is well out of date. It was written in 2011 as the EPA was being established, so covers only the EPA's genesis, rather than what it actually does now it's started work. I'm not in a position to update it myself, but thought I would draw it to your collective attention. Negatron12 (talk) 00:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

VAC Benny Award.jpg.png

image:VAC Benny Award.jpg.png has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 21:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, that's true - it's up for deletion. What is the message that you want to give us? Schwede66 22:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
That was it -- (talk) 22:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Maori names for New Zealands North and South islands

The North Island has a Wikipedia reference for its Maori name, which is 'Te Ika-a-Maui'.

The South Island does not have a Wikipedia reference for its Maori name, which is 'Te Waipounamu'. Please add a valid definitive translation for 'Te Waipounamu' to include as a Wikipedia reference for New Zealands South Island.

Kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, I'd like to invite you to add what you see s missing. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
The fact that none of these are official names is a current matter of discussion in NZ. Also, Te Wahi Pounamu is increasingly being suggested as a truer name for the South island (I've also heard Te Waka o Maui). dramatic (talk) 12:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Intend to Remove Waratah Motorcycles from WikiProject New Zealand

For some reason I don't understand, Waratah Motorcycles has a tag or lable or whatever that shows it in this Project. Waratah were made in Australia and I am aware of no New Zealand link. I questioned it on the talk page for Waratah over a year ago and no one commented. I'll wait a while, but unless someone tells me why it should be linked like this, I'll remove it. (Note that I don't know much at all about WikiProjects.) Pyobon (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

It was tagged by a bot in 2008, which tagged every article which had a New Zealand-related category on it at the time. Waratah motorcycles was tagged with Category:Motorcycle manufacturers of Australia and New Zealand, which has since been replaced by separate categories for Australia and New Zealand.
So, yes, go ahead and delete the tag.-gadfium 20:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Removal of the 'Police culture' section in the New Zealand Police article

I wouldn't normally remove a large section from a high profile article, but this material seemed pretty problematic to me, so I'd boldly removed it and explained my reasoning on the talk page. I'm posting here in case I stepped on any toes (WP:BRD obviously applies!). Nick-D (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks like User:Offender9000 has been there. He's working his way through all the NZ law-and-order related articles moving them over to his POV. He'll add the material back until it sticks - SimonLyall (talk) 11:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
My thoughts exactly. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 13:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Some of the material was originally mine. I don't intend to restore it.-gadfium 22:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Offender9000 has just reverted this material back in, without commenting on the talk page. I have raised further concerns about the accuracy of sourcing there, and if other editors would like to join this discussion it would be great. I note Simon's comments with concern given the RfC/U last year (I wasn't aware that there was a connection with this editor with the NZ police article when making my changes); a topic ban might be in order. Nick-D (talk) 09:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Given that the Rfc was only stopped due to Offender9000 stopping editing which has now resumed (in the same manner as contributed to the Rfc in the first place), it looks like either the Rfc should be resumed and/or a topic ban sought. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Flag of the New Zealand Ministry of Transport 1968-1998.png

File:Flag of the New Zealand Ministry of Transport 1968-1998.png has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

1932 LA Olympics competitors

The following are not athletes. Have altered their name on the list of Olympic sportspeople requiring articles (ie missing encyclopaedic articles etc), but the sources a, b still show them as athletes. Probably the simplest solution is to write an article on them? Hugo999 (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

My looooong term plan was to write articles on all NZ Olympians, but I only got as far as completing the medalists (several other cunning plans got in the way). It has also been made more difficult since the NZOC website removed most of the biographical info. Apart from sites like Sports Reference and Database Olympics it is hard to find any info on the earlier athletes. If I have time later today I might have ago at the 3 above. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Have you asked NZOC whether they can make the bios available offline? Have you checked whether an Internet archive service has the old pages? Schwede66 18:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I have thought about asking them if they will resurrect the material, I'd even do it for them myself...if they paid me! :) DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I have added a number of “stub” articles about medal winners and some others (Olympics, Winter & Empire Games, prewar) from the SR & NZOGC website. Re Harold Thomas (boxer) born 1913 (no date) according to the SR Website. He was 24 when he died, from Papers Past, and a search of the Registrar-Generals online “historic” website found him born 1909 and narrowed the date down (by gradually halving the range of dates searched) to 11 January 1909.

Re sources, harder when they are Empire/Commonwealth Games only! I have found in Papers Past that swimmer J Davies in 1938, Sydney, see New Zealand at the 1938 British Empire Games, was J C W Davies, possibly Jack (the article has John) and he was from Taranaki and in the 220y breaststroke (but off form). An Otago University student; I thought Doctor perhaps – but he is not on the University of NZ list of graduates. Archives NZ, Wellington has a file of clippings from Internal Affairs about the 1938 games; we sent a big team as Sydney was close but Truth thought there were too many who “hadn’t an earthly” of getting a medal. Hugo999 (talk) 13:53, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

NZ Shield Generator

Ive created {{NZshield}} to automatically display NZ shields, depending on input parameters. It is essentially a modified copy of the existing {{AUshield}}.

I dont know too much about the road system there, last time I went to NZ was via cruise ship, but this could probably also be modified to include tourist routes, etc. - Nbound (talk) 05:25, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The breakdown of the subpage components is about the same:

  • Template:NZshield - parameter handling
  • Template:NZshield/core - this is where you can link route types to image sets.
  • Template:NZshield/default size - this is where you can control default icon sizes for each route type.
  • Template:NZshield/doc - documentation

Nbound (talk) 05:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Using {{Jct}} (or {{Jctname}}) is also an option, but NZshield will allow the use of a local road name if more applicable. -- Nbound (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

NZ MoT Logo.gif

image:NZ MoT Logo.gif has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 02:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Class ratings for WP:NZ project question

If an article with a WP:NZ project tag passes an A-class review for the WP:Milhist project, is it acceptable to mark it as A-class for the NZ project? There are links through to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history task force page from the NZ assessment page so this suggests (to me at least) that it is acceptable. Do others agree? Zawed (talk) 08:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Although WikiProject New Zealand does not have an A-rating procedure, we accept such ratings from high quality projects. MILHIST is such a project, so any A-class rating from them results in any NZ-related article getting an A rating from us, in my opinion.-gadfium 09:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Seems fine to me. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Tā moko and Russian translation.

I don't read Russian, but there's a Russion article for Tā moko. There is an image in there that I'm very suspicious of. I suspect in particular the date is faked to make it appear to be in the public domain. I also confident that if that's Та-моко then Та-моко is not Tā moko. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:38, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

National Certificate of Educational Achievement

There's currently some issues with National Certificate of Educational Achievement. A number of editors want to (re)introduced unsourced criticism and other material. Extra eyes appreciated. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Yet another case of single issue editing by people with axes to grind? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:48, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

File:NZ National Rugby league team shirt.GIF

File:NZ National Rugby league team shirt.GIF has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 02:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Margaret Mutu

There's an RFC that could use some independent eyes. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

My meatpuppets and I

I recently wrote a blogpost that I later realised could be considered meatpuppetry. I'm reporting it here in case (a) this all blows up in my face or (b) we get an influx of people who need help. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Read your blog. It seems to be quite factual and not meatpupperty. The things you outlined happened and concerns you raised appropriate. NealeFamily (talk) 01:16, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


User:Offender9000, who was a frequent editor of New Zealand articles with a history of copyright issues, was recently blocked. They have just been discovered to have been using sockpuppets for some time. I would encourage editors to re-evaulate any articles they may be aware of that have been the subject of less-than optimal edits. For example there is a consensus building to stubify Legal aid in New Zealand. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

You've lost your nemesis NealeFamily (talk) 07:53, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
The trouble with thinking about it in that way is it turns the wiki into an adversarial contest (a la Wikipedia:MMORPG), when we need to focus on the content. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:45, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
True, but having been involved in some of the debates it began to feel a bit that way. Clever spotting in this case. NealeFamily (talk) 01:39, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you are taking the credit. It was Judith Collins' staff and the GCSB that did all the work :) - SimonLyall (talk) 01:48, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, let's face it, the GCSB are really only concerned with paranoid, conspiracy theorists, so he was bound to be targeted. *_* DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:08, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure that's entirely fair. The main plank was social-justice advocacy for those in the criminal justice system, which is a better cause than some I've seen pushed on wikipedia. In truth I have considerable time for the issues, if not the approach. And yes, the outting of me didn't help. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I've posted a note on User_talk:Offender9000. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:09, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Promoting Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Sources

I'd like feedback on a proposed change to the WikiProject template that would add our list of sources (Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Sources) to the top of every talk page in the WikiProject. See before and after. Feel free to hack at the sandbox, it won't go live on every page without an edit request. Feel free to add to / update the list too. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I like the proposed change. It would be very helpful for people new to Wiki and a handy link for some of us not new ones. NealeFamily (talk) 07:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Good initiative! Schwede66 10:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Gow Langsford Gallery

Does anyone know if this gallery is reasonably notable - its based in Auckland and was initially put forward for speedy delete. NealeFamily (talk) 04:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know it's "just another art gallery", one of several I have seen dotted around the Auckland CBD. However, without a determining criteria for what constitutes a notable art gallery, it might take someone with a better knowledge of art galleries (but no COI) to make a better assessment. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 05:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I suggest using the current Gow Langsford Gallery article as the basis for an Art galleries of Auckland article. Most of these should have lots of coverage in papers past, probably both reviews and advertisements. 06:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion Stuart, I think it would be appropriate. Before I start, I'd like a comment from someone with knowledge of the local art world.NealeFamily (talk) 19:57, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm seeing links link [28] and [29] in papers past, whcih is a good sign. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of Waimea

What is the Maori meaning of Waimea. Including the definition would be a good addition to Waimea, but I can't figure out what it means - I looked up mea on translation dictionaries, and it seems to suggest that the name means "I forgot the name of this river". Ego White Tray (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I suspect that the meaning of the name is context dependent with no obvious translation. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Timeball station.jpg

image:Timeball station.jpg has been nominated for deletion again (for the same reason it was nominated last time) -- (talk) 05:43, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

File:Original St Paul's Auckland 1880s.jpg and others

Who is the James D. Richardson mentioned? I'm needing to know a date of death to determine the correct licensing for Commons. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:24, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Tom French Cup winners

Category:Tom French Cup winners, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:26, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


image:NewZealandPartyLogo.png has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 04:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Oceania

FYI, there's a proposal for a coordinating project for Oceania (akin to WP:South America, WP:Asia), see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Oceania -- (talk) 05:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

National Library photos uploaded - marked for del

A group of photos from the national library got uploaded. Appears to be confusion over the word "unrestricted". The first one is 100% in copyright but the others are pre-1945 so might be okay if the license is modified. See: Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files#NZ_National_Library_Photos - 08:12, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

{{The Commonwealth}}

Template:The Commonwealth (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 02:04, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Kiwiana images on Commons

I just thought I'd mention that I've started a new category for Kiwiana images and media on Commons. I wanted a single place to get images that speak of New Zealand culture but that are not necessarily official symbols of New Zealand. I hope this proves to be useful to other editors also. AugurNZ 04:42, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Norris Peart Picture (1942).png

File:Joseph Norris Peart Picture (1942).png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 08:10, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Oceania banner

See WT:WikiProject Oceania, where a suggestion has been made to replace the *-nesia project banners with the new Oceania banner, because they are now in the Oceania hierarchy. As WPNZ is also now in the Oceania hierarchy, and already part of the WPPolynesia hierarchy, you may be interested in considering that idea for WPNZ. -- (talk) 08:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


File:Aramoana1976.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 04:20, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Uploader confusing site license with individual photo license. I've removed incorrect licenses and some bot will delete them eventually. - SimonLyall (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone has uploaded a replacement image under a fair-use rationale -- (talk) 09:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


File:Buzzybeeride.JPG has been nominated for deletion. This revolves around a copyright question on what is considered a public space, and what is considered permanent. Can someone with knowledge of the situation in New Zealand comment on this? -- (talk) 05:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I nominated it. I don't think there's any dispute about it being in a public space, only about whether it's permanently located there. --Avenue (talk) 08:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

ANZAC Mounted Division

ANZAC Mounted Division (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been requested to be renamed, see talk:ANZAC Mounted Division -- (talk) 09:42, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

2013 Census results

FYI, Statistics NZ will soon begin releasing 2013 census results, two months earlier than previously expected. See the 2013 Census products and services release schedule for more info. Tayste (edits) 03:21, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Auckland Super City

Isn't it about time we consigned the Waitakere City category to the history books, as the Waitakere City Council no longer exists? I have lived in Henderson for most of my life. I lived through the change from Henderson being a suburb of "West Auckland" to a suburb of Waitakere City in 1989, and now back to being a suburb of "Auckland West" again since 2010. I have always considered myself a West Aucklander (or Westie), and not a Waitakerian or whatever. Now that the WCC has been subsumed by the Auckland Council, shouldn't we lose the "Waitakere" nomenclature for anything to do with West Auckland? Sure, there are still relevant and required uses for "Waitakere", such as the Waitakere ward, the suburb of Waitakere, and the Waitakere City Football Club who may not have kept in step with the times, themselves. Apart from that, let's consign the Waitakere City Council on Wikipedia to the history books, where it belongs. AugurNZ 21:21, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Other relevant, archived discussions about this issue include Sub cats for the regions of New Zealand, and Auckland categories. AugurNZ 01:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree that the category is no longer appropriate for most of its present contents, although a case could be made for preserving it to hold articles on the historic city and as a parent to the councillors and mayors subcategories. That case would be stronger if there were more articles on the city, but it appears there are few such.
We have the same problem with Category:North Shore City and Category:Rodney District. It appears that Category:Auckland City and Category:Manukau City were never created. Category:Papakura District and Category:Franklin District now hold only the articles on those former districts. Any solution should deal with all of these areas. I think it is appropriate to have some geographical subdivisions within the Auckland category.
The simplest replacement would be a category Category:West Auckland, which is approximately the same area as the old Waitakere City. West Auckland, North Shore, South Auckland and Auckland isthmus are all areas with some historical basis, and the boundaries of the previous cities are at least a starting point for defining them. The names I use here are intended as starting points for discussion only. It may be appropriate to add, for example, East Auckland as a distinct area from South Auckland.
Alternatively, we could use ward names as the basis for subdivision, but this has the disadvantage of few people identifying with the ward they live in.-gadfium 02:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Merge information from WikiProject Auckland (pt 2)

I'd like to bring this discussion back into focus, as it was recently archived without being resolved. As you might notice from my post above, I posted it originally on the WikiProject Auckland talk page, and then moved it here to WikiProject New Zealand. As an Aucklander myself, I see no reason to maintain a separate WikiProject for Auckland, when there isn't a corresponding WikiProject for either Wellington or Christchurch, so I support this proposed merge. AugurNZ 22:11, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I support the merge too. --Avenue (talk) 03:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Crown copyright file category

-- (talk) 03:36, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Also related discussion at template talk: Non-free Crown copyright -- (talk) 03:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Bridge to Nowhere.

Back in 1995 I firsr walked the road to the Bridge from the Raetihi road end with Wayne and our sons. It is a pictureque part of the country and it is difficult to adequately describe the beauty and the granduer of the Valley itself. In places the road is as it was when last maintained back in 1941 however the road has slumped badly in nother places which can make access difficult and I would advise tramping this route only on dry weather as a result. There are plenty of places to camp and I would suggest speaking to the Department of Conservation for updates as ther ehas been some work done to improve access over the years. The Bridge itself was signifiantly restored some years ago and stands as a monument, both to the original builders and to the settlers of the Valley. When I was last there in 1998 there was still some fences standing with a wooden gate still swinging, just before Battleship Bluff. Interested people should read a book written by an history, it's called the Bridge to Nowhere and gives a detailed history from the view of some of the residents with photos which build a picture of what life was life in the Valley up to 1942. Spend some time talking to older residents in Raetihi if possible, some of mthese people knew residents or their parents did and one can learn much from first hand knowledge. One can really feel the history of this place! Enjoy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

What has this got to do with anything in wikipedia?? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 02:56, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps this would be best posted on WikiVoyage? Maybe you would consider starting the Raetahi page, which currently doesn't exist there. AugurNZ 04:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
We have an article Bridge to Nowhere (New Zealand), which the IP might like to update. It would be especially appreciated if you could find sources, such as a newspaper article, about the restoration.-gadfium 06:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

British Empire Games 1950 Silver Medal.jpg

image:British Empire Games 1950 Silver Medal.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 07:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Local body elections in the Wairarapa

An identical or near-identical section has been added to the articles on Carterton, New Zealand, South Wairarapa District, Masterton, and Ron Mark about a spoof video and proposals for a unitary authority. I feel the section is undue weight, but it is referenced and the anon who added it has cooperated with my attempts to clean it up and remove parts where the references didn't support the content. My initial feeling was to leave it while the local body elections were on and consider trimming it back or removing it entirely once the dust had settled. However, I did not at first realise it affected so many articles.

One solution might be for someone to write an article on Wairarapa mayoral elections, 2013 including this content but also the lists of candidates as seen in similar articles (eg Wellington City mayoral election, 2013), and then link it from the four articles above but without a summary.-gadfium 21:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

1) It should not be in the District articles as it does give undue weight. It is the only thing on any election in all three articles.
2) The Hitler video shouldn't be mentioned at all. There have been tens of thousands of "spoof" videos made using the same Hitler video clip. Only one local newspaper article listed as a ref and 3,200 views on YouTube. This is a minor incident. WP:NOTNEWSPAPER applies.
3) A Wairarapa mayoral elections, 2013 should be created with the second paragraph from the contested section included.
Bgwhite (talk) 23:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Local body elections in the Wairarapa

An identical or near-identical section has been added to the articles on Carterton, New Zealand, South Wairarapa District, Masterton, and Ron Mark about a spoof video and proposals for a unitary authority. I feel the section is undue weight, but it is referenced and the anon who added it has cooperated with my attempts to clean it up and remove parts where the references didn't support the content. My initial feeling was to leave it while the local body elections were on and consider trimming it back or removing it entirely once the dust had settled. However, I did not at first realise it affected so many articles.

One solution might be for someone to write an article on Wairarapa mayoral elections, 2013 including this content but also the lists of candidates as seen in similar articles (eg Wellington City mayoral election, 2013), and then link it from the four articles above but without a summary.-gadfium 21:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

1) It should not be in the District articles as it does give undue weight. It is the only thing on any election in all three articles.
2) The Hitler video shouldn't be mentioned at all. There have been tens of thousands of "spoof" videos made using the same Hitler video clip. Only one local newspaper article listed as a ref and 3,200 views on YouTube. This is a minor incident. WP:NOTNEWSPAPER applies.
3) A Wairarapa mayoral elections, 2013 should be created with the second paragraph from the contested section included.
Bgwhite (talk) 23:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand challenges at the America's Cup

I was wondering if we should create such an article? -- (talk) 06:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand challenges at the America's Cup

I was wondering if we should create such an article? -- (talk) 06:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Page misstates NZST

"The time in New Zealand is 17:22, October 8, 2013 (NZST)" - no, it wasn't: it was 16:22 NZST, 17:22 NZDT. If that can't be fixed it should be deleted. Robin Patterson (talk) 04:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Page misstates NZST

"The time in New Zealand is 17:22, October 8, 2013 (NZST)" - no, it wasn't: it was 16:22 NZST, 17:22 NZDT. If that can't be fixed it should be deleted. Robin Patterson (talk) 04:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Christchurch East by-election

It would be good if admins could keep an eye on the Christchurch East by-election, 2013 article, and in particular on users Mr Mofo24 and Darkieman24 (probably the same person using multiple accounts). Schwede66 18:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I've proposed something on the article's talk page and you might want to chip in with your opinion. This could be useful for NZ election articles in general. Schwede66 05:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

3News link spam

Where did I read about 3News link spamming? This account is certainly doing just that. Can I suggest, though, that before anybody just does blanket reverts, can we please keep the content (which is mostly rather valuable) and have the reference spam replaced with a {{cn}} template? Schwede66 02:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It was discussed at User talk:Ohnoitsjamie/ and User_talk:Ohnoitsjamie/archive27#Looks like they're at it again (and the following subheading). I advertised the latter discussion at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 17#3 News SPAs. I recall discussing the suitability of 3News as a source at one of the noticeboards, but cannot find the discussion.-gadfium 05:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie:-gadfium 05:45, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Elephants999 is blocked. Anyone who spots these please feel free to report them directly to my talk page and I will block as soon as I see the message. (There may be a day or two of inactivity for me in the next two weeks, however, as I'll be traveling overseas). OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I found another one today (reported to talk page). I've been going though this page looking for obvious spam. A huge amount, I've left the NZ stuff but it is pretty obvious they are going for high traffic pages Like this. I heard from somebody in the media that Wikipedia has jumped as a source of TV3 traffic this year. - SimonLyall (talk) 10:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should work backwards by checking where incoming links to TV3 News come from? Schwede66 19:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I asked for advice and was told that we could make a complaint to the Online Media Standards Authority. Read through their guidelines and they don't spcificly cover this sort of thing but it might be worth a shot. I'll have a bit more of a look tonight - SimonLyall (talk) 21:31, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Te Kooti's War and Te Kooti

These articles are again being heavily edited by User: using a work by Judith Binney. As it has been determined that Binney's work is not necessarily NPOV, and given the previous discussion on the IPs talk page about its use (along with the fact that the IP seems incapable of citing properly), it is probably worth keeping an eye on these articles. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

This is continuing apace. I am not convinced that the large swathes of content taken from a single work is either encyclopedic or appropriate for ANY article. I'd appreciate other editors' input on this. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm getting rather tired of coming across article after article that this editor has edited with a persistent disregard for any number of wiki guidelines. I'm beginning to think that they could come under the scope of WP:DE (an editor who means well but whose editing creates more work for other editors). DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 05:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Christchurch East by-election

It would be good if admins could keep an eye on the Christchurch East by-election, 2013 article, and in particular on users Mr Mofo24 and Darkieman24 (probably the same person using multiple accounts). Schwede66 18:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I've proposed something on the article's talk page and you might want to chip in with your opinion. This could be useful for NZ election articles in general. Schwede66 05:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Te Kooti's War and Te Kooti

These articles are again being heavily edited by User: using a work by Judith Binney. As it has been determined that Binney's work is not necessarily NPOV, and given the previous discussion on the IPs talk page about its use (along with the fact that the IP seems incapable of citing properly), it is probably worth keeping an eye on these articles. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

This is continuing apace. I am not convinced that the large swathes of content taken from a single work is either encyclopedic or appropriate for ANY article. I'd appreciate other editors' input on this. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm getting rather tired of coming across article after article that this editor has edited with a persistent disregard for any number of wiki guidelines. I'm beginning to think that they could come under the scope of WP:DE (an editor who means well but whose editing creates more work for other editors). DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 05:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Pat Sheahan (publican)

Does this new article pass a notability test? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 19:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Yet another of the St Peters College non-notables. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/New Zealand. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 20:46, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

3News link spam

Where did I read about 3News link spamming? This account is certainly doing just that. Can I suggest, though, that before anybody just does blanket reverts, can we please keep the content (which is mostly rather valuable) and have the reference spam replaced with a {{cn}} template? Schwede66 02:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It was discussed at User talk:Ohnoitsjamie/ and User_talk:Ohnoitsjamie/archive27#Looks like they're at it again (and the following subheading). I advertised the latter discussion at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 17#3 News SPAs. I recall discussing the suitability of 3News as a source at one of the noticeboards, but cannot find the discussion.-gadfium 05:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie:-gadfium 05:45, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Elephants999 is blocked. Anyone who spots these please feel free to report them directly to my talk page and I will block as soon as I see the message. (There may be a day or two of inactivity for me in the next two weeks, however, as I'll be traveling overseas). OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I found another one today (reported to talk page). I've been going though this page looking for obvious spam. A huge amount, I've left the NZ stuff but it is pretty obvious they are going for high traffic pages Like this. I heard from somebody in the media that Wikipedia has jumped as a source of TV3 traffic this year. - SimonLyall (talk) 10:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should work backwards by checking where incoming links to TV3 News come from? Schwede66 19:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I asked for advice and was told that we could make a complaint to the Online Media Standards Authority. Read through their guidelines and they don't spcificly cover this sort of thing but it might be worth a shot. I'll have a bit more of a look tonight - SimonLyall (talk) 21:31, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

This IP has been blocked for a year for spamming, with a warning that if it persists the site (i.e. 3news) may be blacklisted. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 06:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

When is a Pōhutukawa not a Pōhutukawa?

There's a thread at Talk:Metrosideros_excelsa#Deviation_from_WP:FLORA.3B_brought_here_from_the_Help_Desk where some botanists need some help interpreting New Zealand culture. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Christchurch Tram

I asked Rschen7754 on the potential notability of this article, and he suggested I ask here. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Go Phightins! 05:26, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

It seems an unnecessary article seeing as all the relevant information is (or should be) in Christchurch tramway system. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 05:44, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, will send to AfD tomorrow. Thanks! Go Phightins! 05:49, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Given that it's a highly plausible search term turning it into a redirect might be preferable than deletion. Nick-D (talk) 06:50, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
That's true ... would it be better to simply boldly do it, or should an AfD run its course prior? Go Phightins! 15:17, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Created redirect per suggestion. Someone is welcome to do the R in BRD if they object. Go Phightins! 03:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia New Zealand

In September I started a discussion over at meta:Talk:Wikimedia New Zealand about whether there is a desire for New Zealanders to have a presence of some sort off-wiki. I neglected to notify this project and others... please come and share your thoughts! ;-) John Vandenberg (chat) 04:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Waimakariri wikiproject

FYI, someone has proposed a wikiproject to cover Waimakariri District. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Waimakariri District for the proposal. -- (talk) 03:02, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Convert WikiProject Auckland into a taskforce of WP:NZ

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Hello, WikiProject New Zealand. You have new messages at WT:WikiProject Auckland#Merge inactive WikiProject as a taskforce of WP:NZ.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-- (talk) 00:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

See also this discussion and this follow up. Schwede66 17:48, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Seems like a support which was never implemented in 2011? But right now at WT:AUCKLAND, there's an oppose, and no support lodged in the current poll. If no support shows up by 21 Dec, it will close as an official poll that opposes merging. -- (talk) 20:51, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


The HMAS Kiama spent 24 years (1952-1976) in the RNZN but the relevant section in the article is almost entirely unreferenced. It is also a bit spartan given the length of service. None of the usual (admittedly Australian-centric) sources turn up anything, but there's surely something available somewhere. Any assistance in referencing this section greatly appreciated, even if its just pointers on where to look for sources. Euryalus (talk) 05:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

suggested reference to discussion about sheep

Hi - at the Australian noticebored - [30] regarding [31] - apologies to any sheep enthusiasts in this project thatmade you felt left you out. Happy new year anyways - cripes when you have something like [32] clearly you need to be consulted... satusuro 07:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Admin help

Happy new year everyone! Could an admin please move Auckland Central to Auckland Central (New Zealand electorate) over an existing redirect, as this is not the primary topic? This would make room for the dab page that I've set up. I'll tidy up incoming links now. Thanks. Schwede66 07:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Done. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 07:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Incoming links should be all good now. There were quite a few referring to the CBD that linked to the electorate article. Schwede66 17:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

And another one, please: Charles Kendall Wilson to Charles Wilson (New Zealand politician) (his wife's DNZB entry makes clear that he wasn't known by his middle name). Following article expansion, I've just moved another Charles Wilson with this dab to make way for it. Schwede66 00:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done-gadfium 05:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks - I will now deal with incoming links. The talk page needs moving too, though. Schwede66 17:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
You know these sorts of moves can be speedily deleted under WP:G6? That way, it will be part of the candidates for speedy deletion category which several admins keep an eye on. Adabow (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks; yes, I do. But I think it's better to keep this within NZ, where admins know what's going on. I don't mind if that slows down the process a tad. Schwede66 06:32, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


Not too many Kiwi editors would have the missing articles project page of the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography on their watchlist. If NZ biography is a topic that interests you, I invite you to have a look at my proposal. Schwede66 05:05, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

broken Sensible Sentencing Trust urls

The Sensible Sentencing Trust have changed all their URLs. Except in very limited circumstances this wouldn't be a problem, unfortuntely we've used them as a source more than we should see here. Ideally these would be replaced by decent references. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:52, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

"Apollo Eleven"

The usage of Apollo Eleven (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Apollo Eleven -- (talk) 08:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study

Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page ( If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 14:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC).

three news URLs broken

These links all seem to be broken afetr a recent redesign. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update

As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at tools:~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at toollabs:popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man) 05:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Te Rere I Oturu Falls. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 12:08, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Abel Tasman National Park

Can someone who is familiar with good English usage take a look at a series of edits by someone calling themselves Pushpithaw82 - I think they are wrong, but I would like a second opinion. NealeFamily (talk) 07:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I've reverted all except a couple as they were mostly not constructive or did not comply with wiki MOS, guidelines, etc. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 08:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I thought most of them looked really wierd. NealeFamily (talk) 21:27, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

NZAS talk

I gave a talk at the 2014 NZAS conference, where I tried to convince more NZ academics to edit, as well as give more recognition for Wikipedians. I hope you don't mind that I mentioned several of you (slides here) Paul (talk) 04:17, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

@Ppgardne: I'm surprised you didn't mention Education_Program:University_of_Canterbury/International_Human_Rights_Law_(2014_S1), being that it's happening on your campus. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
First I've heard of it. I'm afraid our different colleges don't talk as often as we should. Also, I didn't mention a lot of things. It was 15mins and I wanted to make each point count. --Paul (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to Participate in a User Study - Final Reminder

Would you be interested in participating in a user study of a new tool to support editor involvement in WikiProjects? We are a team at the University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within WikiProjects, and we are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visual exploration tool for Wikipedia. Given your interest in this Wikiproject, we would welcome your participation in our study. To participate, you will be given access to our new visualization tool and will interact with us via Google Hangout so that we can solicit your thoughts about the tool. To use Google Hangout, you will need a laptop/desktop, a web camera, and a speaker for video communication during the study. We will provide you with an Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page ( If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 15:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC).

Eyes on Education_Program:University_of_Canterbury/International_Human_Rights_Law_(2014_S1) for a week or so please

The course at Education_Program:University_of_Canterbury/International_Human_Rights_Law_(2014_S1) is peaking right now, with lots of editors making edits and/or creating their articles. I'd encourage everyone to take a look at an article or two and give feedback / encouragement as appropriate. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

What great idea - looking forward to doing some reviewing. NealeFamily (talk) 08:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Post-secondary educational organisations

I've started a category discussion which turns out to boil down to what we call our various post-secondary educational organisations. Your input would be appreciated, in the name of a resolution, even if it's not the one I'm proposing. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Archibald Baxter

Could someone please have a look at Archibald Baxter? It's a bit of a mess and I have a COI which I think makes it inappropriate for me to edit it further. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:51, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's a mess, but it could be considerably expanded from the sources given, and inline sourcing would improve it. I did remove the mention of torture as being inadequately sourced. I would not object to this term being used if an independent reference uses it specifically referring to his treatment, but his autobiography is not sufficient, unless we qualify the term with a phrase such as "He claimed/considered his treatment to be torture...".-gadfium 09:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
There is substantial copyvio which should be addressed. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
The article should now be substantially different enough to address any copyvio - let me know if not. NealeFamily (talk) 01:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I have started to work on editing this article (anyone else please free to add info). Stuart if you have any additional references let me know - I note your COI, Baxter's story is really interesting and should be in here. NealeFamily (talk) 10:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
His autobiographical account is at ; There is a list of 'mentions' at which may be helpful. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Oceania may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! --Another Believer (Talk) 20:27, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 26/05

Draft:Comte de Paris. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:57, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Now Comte de Paris (ship). Nurg (talk) 02:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 10/06

Draft:Pou Pou. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject New Zealand At Wikimania 2014

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Requested articles/New Zealand academic biographies

I have started a bit of a push to increase the depth and breadth of our coverage of academics and researchers, with diversity being a key issue. I've been trying to attract new editors on social media to write some of these, but don't let that stop you all from jumping in. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

As part of this push I've created a number of list articles which could do with some disambiguation work (disambiguation work isn't my strong point): List of Honorary Doctors of the University of Canterbury, List of Honorary Doctors of Lincoln University (New Zealand), List of Honorary Doctors of Victoria University of Wellington and List of Honorary Doctors of the University of Waikato. Every person I've looked into on these lists has been notable. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I've paused this work due to hardware failure on my main machine. I remain committed to gettting the stuff done, however. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Notability (New Zealand people)

Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Notability (New Zealand people); please continue discussion there

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Whether people with an entry in the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography are inherently notable or not comes up with some regularity ever since Stuartyeates mass-produced stub entries for most of the missing DNZB articles. Before he did so, he extensively consulted on the proposal. We spend too much time discussing DNZB notability on a case-by-case basis, and when this last came up earlier this month, I thought it is about time that we resolve this issue once and for all. I have started work on a notability guideline for New Zealand people, and this needs to be a communal project. The draft sits in my userspace, but feel free to chip in at any time. Discussion is welcome; in fact it is essential that we have a discussion. Schwede66 20:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Excellent work! I've added some university lists and some tweaks. It's probably worth aligning some of this with Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles, which is where the DNZB stuff actually originated. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
If it helps inform the discussion, there's a long-standing consensus that anyone with an entry in the similar Australian Dictionary of Biography can be assumed to be notable given that the ADB entry alone comprises significant, high quality and in-depth coverage. Nick-D (talk) 10:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for starting this project Schwede. I will contribute when I return to NZ NealeFamily (talk) 09:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I've moved this into project space now: Wikipedia:Notability (New Zealand people) That means that the draft is ready. What it doesn't mean is that what's there is the final version; please regard everything as a starting point for further discussions. Edit as you see fit; say what you think on the talk page. Schwede66 10:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RM New Zealand national rugby union team to All Blacks

See Talk:New Zealand national rugby union team#Requested move -- PBS (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

New article, nom for DYK

Just a heads up that I've nominated the article I've just created on Angela D'Audney for DYK - {{Did you know nominations/Angela D'Audney}}. Any improvements to the article are welcome :) Grutness...wha? 08:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia down in New Zealand

According to Wikipedia was down over much of New Zealand yesterday, as well as in some other parts of the world. Personally I could not connect for over 20 hours. Did other users here experience the same issue? --Epipelagic (talk) 02:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Not here in Waimakariri. My network provider is based in Wellington. Ollieinc (talk) 02:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
No issues here. Network geography is not equal to physical geography. It'll come down to who your network provider is. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:50, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I couldn't use any WikiMedia site from mid-morning yesterday until bedtime. I believe this affected many users around the world. It's been fine today. I assume a DNS entry corruption affecting some ISPs and not others. I tried numerous browsers and computers, but all had in common my WiFi which uses Vodafone broadband. Had it persisted today I would have tried turning off the WiFi and seeing if my cellphone (which does not use Vodafone as a cellular provider) could connect.-gadfium 04:29, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
It was possible to get through using Mobile Wikipedia --Epipelagic (talk) 07:18, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Collaborative digitisation

The National Library of New Zealand runs a collaborative digitisation program which is calling for applications. If you know someone struggling to get their historic newspapers online, point them to This is a feeder program for which we all know and love. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses

Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 14:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Photo request

Is there any editor near Gisborne who can assist with obtaining a photograph of the ship's bell of QSMV Dominion Monarch. Bell is apparently in the Riverdale School, Gisborne, or at least it was in 2005. Mjroots (talk) 09:06, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

beehive edits

There is a twitter stream of edits from beehive-related IP addresses at Stuartyeates (talk) 08:21, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

How do I edit information on a page?


I am writing in as a representative of ICONZ-Webvisions Pte Ltd under the instruction of our Group Marketing Director on some out-dated information that can still be found on Wikipedia. The out dated information are in relation to the change of some key personnel within the organization and we would like to update that information. Please let me know how I can do that. Thank you!

Kthamkw (talk) 09:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC)Kevin Tham, 21 August 2014 Marketing Executive, ICONZ-Webvisions Pte Ltd

Hello, First, please read WP:COI and make sure that you follow its guidance - you're off to a good start by identifying your relationship with the subject of the article and asking this question clearly: thank you for this. Second, please propose your change on the article's talk page (I'm not sure which article you're referring to here to be honest - if it's the ICONZ article, then the page is Talk:ICONZ). Thirdly, links and advice for new contributors is available at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:19, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/NZ/New Zealand Historic Places Trust list problems

Hi all - sthere are distinct peculiarities to how the subpages of Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/NZ/New Zealand Historic Places Trust are organised.

Take, for example, the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/NZ/New Zealand Historic Places Trust/Otago I. There follows a lovely long list of article blue and red links, each accompanied by four columns, A, B, C, and D, for "Foo, Otago", "Foo, New Zealand", "Foo (Otago)", and "Foo (New Zealand)". All very well, except quite a few of the buildings listed as missing are - as per the WPNZ naming guidelines - at "Foo, Dunedin", "Foo, Oamaru", etc., or in the case of schools, at "Foo (Dunedin)", "Foo (Oamaru)", etc. Only buildings that are part of the University of Otago are listed as "Foo, Otago". Furthermore, the articles in the first column (i.e., named simply "Foo") are a mix of acceptable articles (such as Dunedin Railway Station) and generic/dab/otherwise invalid articles (such as Olveston, National Bank, and House). The system looks like it needs some kind of major overhaul to be of any use... Grutness...wha? 13:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Guilty as charged. These were created because I had access to a data source and wanted to see what I could create. The problem was that the data source was inconsistent and used different conventions to wikipedia naming. You're welcome to reorganise as you see fit. Since I tried creating a few of the articles, enough to decide that by and large I prefer biographies. I am, however, more that happy to help a group effort of some description. For example, a blank template for a building / place seems like a good place to start. All the links have recently been broken by a reorganisation of the NZHPT site. I can re-generate based on new data and the new website if you like, but I'm busy this week. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:57, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

British Empire in World War II

See talk:British Empire in World War II on whether this should cover New Zealand , and what the proper name is, if it does cover New Zealand -- (talk) 03:42, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Project Page - Assessment Log

Does anyone know how to get this to update automatically? It has not moved for several months. NealeFamily (talk) 03:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, you are right. Schwede66 04:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I see you can run the bot manually, and I've just done it (also for politics). The tables are now up to date and it might take a little while for the substituted tables within the WPNZ pages to reflect this. I'm not sure whether this is a permanent cure, or whether there's something else that needs doing. Schwede66 04:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for solving it Schwede - I should be ok now for this. I couldn't figure out how to up date it. NealeFamily (talk) 05:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Heritage New Zealand

This move request needs wider input, as it may result in many categories also being renamed. Schwede66 18:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


This doesn't have a WP NZ project tag on it, hardly surprisingly, but I'm wondering if it's really the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC more notable than all other topics combined? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:11, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

List candidates

There is a discussion at Talk:New Zealand general election, 2014 about removing the table of unsuccessful list candidates in the 2014 general election article. This is a table that has been included in all of the New Zealand MMP elections. If anyone has an opinion can they please join the discussion so a consensus can be worked towards? Mattlore (talk) 09:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

New Zealand Open Source Awards

The finalists for the New Zealand Open Source Awards have been announced The good news is that we (WikiProject New Zealand) are on the list. The bad news is that the awards are being given at a Gala dinner on Wednesday 12 November at Te Papa, Wellington, costing $45. I'm planning on going, is anyone else keen? I'm not sure what our chances are, CEISMIC seems like a pretty strong contender. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Not sure whether you refer to money or location when you talk about bad news. For me, the bad part is that it's in Wellington. I'd have to agree that CEISMIC is a rather strong contender. Schwede66 05:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm Wellington based (and will be going), I believe that @NealeFamily:, @Ballofstring: and @Robin Patterson: are local too. I know that @Giantflightlessbirds: is close (and comes down sometimes). Stuartyeates (talk) 08:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, but I'm a student and $45 is a bit too expensive. Also, I'm not sure if I'd feel comfortable being even a co-representative of the whole project! Ballofstring (talk) 09:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
If you don't mind recruiting attempts, drop the organisers a line anyway. A number of the sponsors are currently hiring, and student==fresh talent. Don't worry about being a representative, by your contributions you make the grade. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Draft article needs expert review. Draft:New Zealand First Youth

A Draft article at AfC needs expert review. Could you please comment on Draft:New Zealand First Youth? Is this acceptable or unbalanced? Fixable or for the bin? Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


I've pretty much reached the end of this project and am declaring it done. There are still a couple of red links in Hector Memorial Medal, which are either historical people where I can't find the sources or very recent ones where I can't find all that many decent independent ones (the latter ones will get created when there's an obit, I guess). I'm really pleased with the size of Category:New Zealand Māori academics, Category:New Zealand women academics and even Category:Samoan academics. I've started Category:New Zealand academics lacking usual sources for academics where there probably should be more sources, I'm following these up with the Royal Society of New Zealand. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

A sterling effort indeed. Just for completeness, there are various lists of honorary doctors of New Zealand universities, and those do contain a lot of redlinks. We have previously agreed that inclusion establishes notability, so there's a bit of work to do. Also, there are two or three of these lists yet to be done: Massey, Otago, and maybe Auckland (I'm saying maybe for Auckland because that article isn't listed on your NZ academic biographies page). Have you by chance checked with those universities whether they could possibly compile those lists? Even without a prompt, this info should be readily accessible. But either way, you've already put a lot of time into this, and the users of Wikipedia are better served as a result. Schwede66 02:37, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The List of Honorary Doctors of the University of New Zealand‎ is taken from the 1962/1963 'Alphabetical roll of graduates of the University of New Zealand‎' which listed honoury doctorates separately to all other degrees (perhaps because those people were effectively the political patrons who had ensured that the university got funded). After the UNZ split into it's constituent collages, some continued this tradition, some did not. The ones that did published the lists on their websites and I have migrated these to wikipedia. The ones that didn't still published the info as part of their regular capping materials (which I don't have easy access to), but not a single complete list on the internet (I've checked informally with on-campus contacts). Going through and compiling these lists would be a useful thing for someone with the patience, as would be compiling lists of non-honoury higher doctorates. Note that both the Royal Society of New Zealand and the New Zealand Association of Scientists have been supportive of this work (mainly via their twitter feeds), feeding me details and correcting their records when I find an issue. See for example Talk:Edward_Neill_Baker. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Joanne Hayes

Hi guys, a move proposal has been started at Talk:Joanne Hayes to move the page to Jo Hayes. If anyone has an opinion can they please jump in. Mattlore (talk) 06:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Same for Matthew Doocey -> Matt Doocey. Schwede66 21:12, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Iwi maps

I've posted a request at Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Set_of_maps_from_shapefile to have maps drawn for iwi. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

feedback on Draft:Enjoy Public Art Gallery

I've done a bit of a thing over at Draft:Enjoy Public Art Gallery. I can get probably average one decent review per exhibition (some more, some none), going increasingly to print as they go back in time. Do people think it's likely to passing the notability test? Is it useful / worthwhile / helpful? I'm thinking of going for a handful of reviews from the opening exhibitions and seeing whether the whole thing, taken as a whole, works. Thoughts? Stuartyeates (talk) 06:42, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I found a stash of new print references via whcih is a great source for New Zealand print journals and news papers. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Index New Zealand

I have recently downloaded and started to play with Index New Zealand This is a dataset of ~ 800000 items, including ~ 12000 obits. Pretty much every one of the 800000 items is a reliable source. I expect that there's quite a bit of cross-over with the DNZB work I've done previously and this work will be related to that in so far as I'll be creating aricles in a semi-automated fashion based on authoritative sources, but I'll be lifting my references from INZ but they'll point to other publications. I'll post some examples when I have them. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to the examples. 12,000 obits is quite a serious number! Schwede66 05:47, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Auckland cone names

FYI: I've proposed name changes for the following pages, to bring them up to date with the Tāmaki Makaurau Collective settlement:

Haminoon (talk) 06:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Where have to made this proposal? I notice that your list includes fewer names than are listed in schedule 1 of the Ngā Mana Whenua o Tāmaki Makaurau Collective Redress Act 2014, is this because we don't have articles for them all? (For those new to this discussion, see Stuartyeates (talk) 08:12, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I've proposed it on the talk pages of each article. Is that right? I'm still new at this. Matukutururu, Mount Albert, Mount Roskill, Mount Saint John don't have name changes. Maungawhau and Te Tātua-a-Riukiuta redirect to the volcano sections on the suburbs page, but perhaps now they have different names its time these were separated out? Haminoon (talk) 22:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Haminoon, you are doing famously well with this. Most editors who have this page watchlisted will also have the article alerts on their watchlist, so they would see the proposed moves that way, too. But it's good to get the explanation here. The only thing that would have made the whole process a bit smoother is if you had used the move-multi template. As it stands, one has to comment on eight separate requests, but with move-multi, one could have commented on all eight proposals in one go. With regards to splitting off some of the volcano sections from suburb articles, let's first see what others think of the move requests. Schwede66 17:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I see the move discussions have come to an end and none of the articles got moved. I guess your next question is - do I split off the cone articles? Some general thoughts on this are that suburbs are always notable, so the question is whether the cones in themselves are also notable. My guess is that this would be the case, but it's just a guess. If that is right, you may have separate articles for suburb and cones, even if they share the same name. If the cone itself is not inhabited, the disambiguator would be in brackets as per Wikipedia:NCNZ. Mount Pleasant, New Zealand is an example of a suburb article where there is a separate article for the hill: Mount Pleasant (New Zealand). If splitting off is supported by others, I'd say that naming is of secondary importance, as an article name can always be adjusted later. Assuming that the cones are all notable, I'd like to see a navbox created that lists them all. Schwede66 17:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes I think splitting the articles for Mt Wellington, Three Kings, Mt Eden, Mt Albert and Mt Roskill is a good idea. Mount Wellington, New Zealand currently looks confusing with two info boxes. All the cones are notable and a navbox would be good - many new residents of Auckland make a point of visiting all of them. I may expand some of the articles when I have time next week. Mt Wellington could keep the same page name as the cone is more often known as Maungarei. Haminoon (talk) 20:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Should the TVNZ logo remain as it is - TVNZ.svg - or be changed to what is on the TVNZ website under their logos?

Metrosideros excelsa → Pohutukawa

I have started a WP:Requested Move at Talk:Metrosideros_excelsa that may be of interest to editors here. Stuartyeates (talk)

eyes across the ditch

Our good friends across the ditch are doing a mass-creation of historic places articles. If that's your cup of tea, cast you eyes over Category:Articles_incorporating_text_from_the_Queensland_Heritage_Register_(please_review). Stuartyeates (talk) 05:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Te Ara is dead, long live Te Ara!

As people may have seen here, Te Ara: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand is transitioning from growth mode into maintenance mode. They'll be missed. If anyone has a hankering to rewrite Te Ara: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand, now is a good time. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

WPNZ on commons?

Hi everyone! I was just wondering if there is an equivalent project on Wikimedia Commons, and if there isn't, how we might go about setting one up? I ask partly because I'm in the process of transferring ~3000 photos from the NZTEU flickr stream with flickr2commons (I got in touch with them and asked them to change the CC licence on their images to CC-BA-SA) and would love some help categorising everything. I'm trying to categorise everything first as NZTEU, and files by NZTEU, before moving on to categorising in more detail. See Commons:Category:New Zealand Tertiary Education Union. Thanks very much! — Ballofstring (talk) 23:48, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Currently this is pretty much the only nz coordination point for new zealand on wikimedia that i know of. I'll take a look at the picks. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:58, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
The metadata isn't too bad. What is really needed is for someone who knows this group of people to go through and put names next to as many faces as possible. Most of the single-person photos already have the name. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:05, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for having a look. Yeah it's mostly pretty well labelled. I've only had a couple of problems with the import process: (1) I've had to manually add in the category "Files by New Zealand Tertiary Education Union" - I thought that was important as I want them to have a way to see at a glance all the stuff I've transferred. I haven't quite finished tracking down all the missing files for that cat, but Cat-a-lot is very helpful (I recommended getting it if you don't use it already). (2) Flick2Commons didn't transfer any stuff which didn't have a proper name, so I think around 800ish photos weren't transferred. We could either give up on those ones, or I could go through and try to manually deduce names (which would be horrible).
The other thing which I'm not sure about is how notable someone needs to be before they get a category - there are plenty of people who have heaps of photos taken of them in this import, but might not warrant their own category... — Ballofstring (talk) 21:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Te Papa to upload to commons

In this tweet I received the heads-up that Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa is likely to be uploading some images to commons shortly. This is possibly associated indirectly with the NDF workshop I'm running at Te Papa next month. (I think the connection to @Wittylama: is that he runs the upload tool.) Stuartyeates (talk) 06:35, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

That's great. Organisations such as the National Library have some pretty terrible terms of use for many of the digital images in their collections. Very restrictive terms of use etc. Not great for a public institution that is supposed to be about improving access to "creative knowledge". Hopefully this move by Te Papa is in a better direction and puts some pressure on other publicly funded educational organisations to release more of their collections via a CC license (or better the public domain). -- Shudde talk 07:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure that's a fair characterisation of the state of play. Following NZGOAL a number of NZ government departments are being pretty proactive in releasing content, and run by the National Library of New Zealand is leading the way. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:36, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I've seen the framework, and it's definitely a step in the right direction. But the efforts by some organisations has been very slow. Getting digital copies of their work up hasn't been a problem, neither has services for purchasing prints of material in their collection. But providing clear licensing information has been poor. Things are changing, but it's slow, and pretty embarrasing when compared to other countries (particularly the Americans, but also some libraries in Australia). Just as an example, [33] was created by William Montgomery, who according to the description on the page itself died in 1958, so before 1964. It should be in the public domain shouldn't it? Unless I'm missing something. Yet according to the information below the entry, I need permission from Nat Lib to use it outside the limited terms they've provided. This image is almost certainly in the public domain, and NatLib don't hold the copyright do they? Even if they do why not release it under a CC license? Why the restrictive terms of use? They seem happy to provide prints (for a price, and no doubt with conditions attached). So my point is not that they're doing nothing, it's that they could be doing a lot more, and as a public institution whose mission is education, they really should be. -- Shudde talk 08:15, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
They have many millions of items. For each they need to do due diligence (i.e. to prove that it wasn't created during a trip to the USA, which in this case would put the object in copyright); that's not fast or cheap. If you want it done faster, I encourage you to agitate they get funding to make that happen. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:35, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
There is always the argument (and call) for more money, but my point still stands -- if they don't know the providence of these materials, they probably shouldn't be selling prints of them! -- Shudde talk 22:10, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I just saw the tweet myself. Yes, it would be excellent to get Te Papa onboard (both with Wikimedia Commons, and with the GLAMwikiToolset). Will one of you be the local community-liaison for them? Aside from the upload tool itself (which, I will admit, is not self-evident sometimes), there are still the usual Commons templates (partnertship template, institution template, institutional tracking categories, any creator templates) that need to be done. This is best if done with the help of a local because that a) builds up trust and b) the institution will probably then want to arrange an editathon etc. in the nearish future to help get the material used in WP articles. Wittylama 10:26, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I know the Te Papa techies offline, so I'll be the default contact on en,wiki probably, but have little experience on commons. User:Ballofstring probably has more experience on commons, if they're available. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I would be happy to help, but I'm not terrible experienced myself. I only really have experience transferring images from flickr (using Flickr2commons), but I am reasonably familiar with categories etc etc. I know Archives NZ has a special template they want people to use which requires various record IDs from Archway, and NLNZ has a category "Files from New Zealand National Library" or whatever, but not sure about much beyond that... Let me know if I can do anything! — Ballofstring (talk) 21:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
There may be someone on WP:AWNB that may be able to help, maybe @Kerry Raymond: might know of someone with experience in this area? -- Shudde talk 22:10, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Meng Foon

Can someone please have a look at Meng Foon, some anon's keep adding some twitter nonsense and I don't want to break the 3RR. Mattlore (talk) 09:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Removed and both IPs warned for vandalism. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Puerto Rico

In the visa requirements for NZ citizens you have Puerto Rico listed in Oceania. Its in the Caribbean so suggest you move it. Thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:00, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know. I've moved it.-gadfium 20:52, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Colin McCahon

Hi all,

I'm trying to fix (or at the very least improve) the Colin McCahon page. At the moment, it's a real mess and very poor quality. And kind of help at all would be of benefit.

If you are a Wikipedia pro, there are some formatting issues that could be cleared up. If you are knowledgeable on the topic, there is a huge amount of further research required. If you are neither, I'd still love someone to come and help me out with small details like copy-editing some of the badly composed prose.

Thanks for considering! --Clawsyclaw (talk) 04:24, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

@Clawsyclaw: It definitely needs some work so good on you for picking up the article. I'm not knowledgable on the subject, but I can help with formatting and general Manual of Style considerataions. I'd be glad to give the article a quick copyedit through once you've given it an expansion. Feel free to message me on my talkpage if you want me to give it a read. -- Shudde talk 09:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm having a look too :-) Ballofstring (talk) 10:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
There are a metric ton of references in (no full text, but good for dates and places of early exhibitions) and lots of on-line content at Stuartyeates (talk) 19:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to all of you. It's looking better already! Clawsyclaw (talk) 21:06, 5 November 2014 (UTC):::

Talk page conduct

There are some very inappropriate comments on the Steffan Browning talk page. How does one deal with that? Simply remove them? Does this require admin intervention? Schwede66 08:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to remove them per WP:BLPTALK and revert the commentary from the article itself per WP:BLP. If the IP keeps on trying to re-add them Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard is probably your next step. Daveosaurus (talk) 08:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I agree with the removal of the talk page comment (in fact, what remains is fairly borderline as well!) However, I find the content in the article a bit more complex, as it is reasonably sourced. I'll move discussion to the article talk page. Basie (talk) 19:57, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about merger with Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board

See Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#Merge Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand and this page?. -- Shudde talk 04:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

2010 Queenstown suppressed indecency case

I wonder if anyone here not involved in creating or editing the article would like to re-assess 2010 Queenstown suppressed indecency case, currently rated "stub class" and a not particularly flattering quality level. Nankai (talk) 00:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I first assessed the article as a stub very early in its history - it had had about six or seven edits and was two paragraphs with some warning tags. It was substantially expanded within hours of my assessment, but in practice assessments do not get reconsidered unless someone asks. You can be bold and just assess the article yourself, if you're an experienced editor, but I'd recommend leaving the higher levels of assessment - anything higher than C - to a third party. In any case, I'm happy to reassess this as a C class article. If you think the importance should be changed, please make a case for that on the talk page.
My reasoning for making it of low importance is that this is a topic one would not expect to find covered as a standalone article in an encyclopedia, even in a multi-volume encyclopedia of New Zealand (or the online equivalent, which is Te Ara). You would expect to find an article on Law of New Zealand, and that would rate high, and perhaps Suppression orders in New Zealand law which would be medium (see Gag order for the more general article on the topic, which does not include a NZ section).-gadfium 03:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
For future ref, the place to request an assessment is Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Assessment.-gadfium 03:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)