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Deleted. --Diannaa (talk) 21:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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(fast track)- Threshold of originality not met? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


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Kept the image in the info box, the one from the Commons, and the Polaroid (File:Corll 29th.jpg), which is the subject of sourced commentary in the article. --Diannaa (talk) 20:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Are 14 non-free files really needed? Werieth (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Flat out failure here. One for ID is appropriate, and maybe perhaps the one of his capture, but the rest are all excess and just illustrating pictures without discussion, with no NFCC#8 allowance. --MASEM (t) 13:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
It's a long and well-sourced article and maybe this should be taken into consideration with this issue here, but there are too many images and at least 50% should be removed to trim the non-free usage to an acceptable level. I think the victims' images are superfluous - the only one you can argue deserves merit for inclusion would be of the suspected victim. Maybe if the 8 victims' images were removed the issue would be resolved? The infobox image should definitely stay, as should the Commons image. The only others which are pertinent are of the perpetrators themselves and maybe the torture board. That would leave just 6 non-free images here. Far more acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.162.93 (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I do not understand why the victims' images are superfluous--would there have been a crime without them? How are they less pertinent than the criminals'? Giving faces to the victims is an act of ethics, and surely would be a part of wikipedia's mission to be "a quality encyclopedia." Excess parsimony would leave this article much poorer as a result--that would be the real "flat out failure". Enderunlu (talk) 20:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
No, we are not a memorial for victims of crims. The article is about the criminal, and having an identifying image of him is reasonable but the victims, no. We have a mission to minimize non-free content to only where the reader's understanding would be harmed if the content was removed, which is not the case for the victims' images. --MASEM (t) 20:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
If that is your mission, you might as well remove Corll's picture as well, since "the reader's understanding" would not be "harmed" by not knowing what he looked like. In any case, I do not think that a quality encyclopedia would feature photos of a serial killer but not his victims. (And what if the victims had wikipedia pages of their own? Would an image be acceptable there?)Enderunlu (talk) 23:50, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
If the individuals meet the notability requirements and are notable beyond being victims of Corll, having their own article would justify the inclusion of non-free media. However for most victims that is not accurate. Werieth (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't see any reason to believe that the victim photos are necessary. One photo of the person the article is about (Corll) is clearly justifiable, and perhaps one photo pertaining to the arrest might be. The appearance of the victims is not crucial to the article or discussed in it, so those photos are decorative. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Sound clips have been reduced to two; case closed. --Diannaa (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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5 non-free sound clips for a single song is really excessive Werieth (talk) 13:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

The studio and the live clips have good reasons to be there. The covers do not; Weird Al's parody has a clip on its own page so definitely doesn't need to be here, and the other two have no discussion of why we need to hear the cover, and thus aren't needed. --MASEM (t) 14:05, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree. The two variation of the studio mix and the live performance are the only samples with relevance. While I tend to think a single sample is best, the song has some history regarding live performance and seems to give sufficient contextual significance. Loose all the cover versions.--Mark Just ask! WER TEA DR/N 20:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The covers are irrelevant here. If they belong anywhere, it is upon the pages of the acts who cover them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.162.93 (talk) 23:31, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I think we need to include the two clips of both the studio version and the live version. If any are to be removed it should be the cover versions.QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:06, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I concur. The article does not require the covers, but the studio mix and live performance are a nice touch that are within what is reasonable for the article. --Qwerty Binary (talk) 14:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Templating complete; case closed. --Diannaa (talk) 19:44, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Since just about any image that I upload gets nominated for deletion, I'm trying to head things off by asking people to nominate my latest image for deletion now. I don't want to be blind-sided by this at four o'clock on some random Tuesday, so let's just get this out of the way. I don't understand the red tape and loopholes that are image copyright law. Dismas|(talk) 01:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, the purpose of the image is to illustrate the mascot, which I believe is the bear? In that case, it would be best to remove extraneous elements that may also be copyrighted. If it were just an image of the bear, then that would have a reasonable claim to fair use. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
@Dismas: You also need to add a separate license for the photograph. -- Diannaa (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
@Diannaa: Okay, what does that mean? I thought it already has a license on the page. In the license section. I don't understand all the legalese but like to contribute, so please dumb it down. Just tell me what I have to tag, what I have to tag it with, etc. Thanks, Dismas|(talk) 01:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
@Dismas: The image need two license templates, one for the copyright images on the sign, plus one for your copyright photograph. Here is an example of how it is done; the example image has one template for the coin itself and another for the photograph. -- Diannaa (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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Consensus is that there's no way to get a free image of this element. --Diannaa (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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I'm not convinced that this meets WP:NFCC#1. It certainly fails WP:NFCC#9 or WP:NFC#UUI §6 on some of the pages on which it is used. Stefan2 (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

srsly? Polonium is a really radioactive element. Getting some is not just a matter of ordering it from your favourite chemical company. Text would not do the job as well. And the image has a clear description about how it was made and that enhances the article with an application. (About the usage: in some of the templates, it's been set up such that the template doesn't display the picture, but the article using it does, e.g. the boxes for polonium and chalcogen. I do agree that some of the uses are inappropriate.) Double sharp (talk) 02:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
See also the archived metalloid fac discussion, image review section, noting unsuccessful attempts (including, NRD) to get an alternative image of polonium.Sandbh (talk) 05:06, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The precautions that need to be taken in handling Po can be found here (pages 6 and 7). Double sharp (talk) 16:18, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


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Deleted as F5. --Diannaa (talk) 19:32, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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I'm not sure where to take this matter. It says "Published in Tehran, Iran, in 1960. Belongs to personal photo album of Hassan Pakandam". If it is from a personal photo album, then it would suggest that the photo is unpublished (and not compliant with {{PD-US-unpublished}}). On the other hand, if it was published in 1960 (of which we have no evidence), then the image satisfies {{PD-Iran}} (copyright term: 30 years from publication). If it wasn't published, then it presumably violates WP:NFCC#1 as there are presumably other photos which were published at the time. Stefan2 (talk) 22:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


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Re-templated as PD-ineligible-USonly United Kingdom; trademarked -- Diannaa (talk) 19:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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(fasttrack) "Free" at commons - TOO not met? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Should be {{PD-ineligible-USonly|United Kingdom}} as it would meet the UK copyright rules. LGA talkedits 20:20, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
LGA is right. The TOO in the United Kingdom is fairly low, and that stylized bird would probably do it. So while not necessarily fair use, the logo is still not suited for Commons. De728631 (talk) 20:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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The svg image has been orphaned and deleted. --Diannaa (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Need help choosing between File:The New England Journal of Medicine.svg (vector but would be rendered small) and File:Nejm logo2011.PNG (raster that is asserted as low-quality rather than just low-resolution)--one as the NFC logo at The New England Journal of Medicine, the other to delete as unused non-free. Is the png "good enough" for infobox? Is either one "more official" (original format from owner) and therefore more representative of the actual product-mark? DMacks (talk) 13:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

A question that would help is where the SVG image was obtained from. It was said to be on the website but it is not obvious. If the SVG does come from the website, then it is reasonable to use it (despite its resolution aspects) over a PNG as a logo image. However, if someone created that SVG from the logo, then it is far too detailed and either needs to have details reduced, or we replace it with the PNG image. --MASEM (t) 20:26, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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I have uploaded a poster from Amazon.com. --Diannaa (talk) 19:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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This is the European poster for Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure, the American made-for-TV film. Alternative photos I would use are the TV Guide ad, the LaserDisc cover, the VHS box and the title card. George Ho (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


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Deleted as F8; the copy on the Commons has an OTRS ticket attached. --Diannaa (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Commons treats image as free. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


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No idea what "FAL" is supposed to signify. Regardless, the copy on the Commons has been deleted, so this copy should be retained for fair use. --Diannaa (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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FAL at Commons. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


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Deleted as F7. This image qualified for speedy deletion under criterion F7 and could have been tagged as such (using {{subst:rfu}}} for a simpler option to listing it here. --Diannaa (talk) 18:46, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Image is not needed for the article as there are plenty of free Argentine stamps. It could be free under PD Old and transferred to Commons if we knew where the central image came from and how old it is, but it could just as easily be a modern artist's impression.(The comment about it being free as over 20 years old is wrong because it appears to be a drawing, not a photograph Article 34 here). Philafrenzy (talk) 01:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


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Removed from Primož Trubar. --Diannaa (talk) 18:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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In my opinion, the inclusion of the image in the article Primož Trubar does not meet the WP:NFCCP criterion No. 8: Contextual significance. The inclusion does in no way significantly increase readers' understanding of the article. The usage in the article Slovenian euro coins seems ok to me. --Eleassar my talk 07:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


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Removed from Ivan Grohar. --Diannaa (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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In my opinion, the inclusion of the image in the article Ivan Grohar does not meet the WP:NFCCP criterion No. 8: Contextual significance. The inclusion does in no way significantly increase readers' understanding of the article and its omission would not be detrimental to that understanding. The usage in other articles seems ok to me. --Eleassar my talk 07:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


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Removed from Plečnik Parliament. --Diannaa (talk) 19:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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In my opinion, the inclusion of the image in the article Plečnik Parliament does not meet the WP:NFCCP criterion No. 8: Contextual significance. The inclusion does in no way significantly increase readers' understanding of the article and its omission would not be detrimental to that understanding. The usage in other articles seems ok to me. --Eleassar my talk 07:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


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Removed from France Prešeren and Zdravljica. --Diannaa (talk) 19:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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In my opinion, the inclusion of the image in the article France Prešeren does not meet the WP:NFCCP criterion No. 8: Contextual significance. The inclusion does in no way significantly increase readers' understanding of the article and its omission would not be detrimental to that understanding.

The inclusion in the article Zdravljica does not meet the WP:NFCCP criterion No. 1: No free equivalent. The image could be replaced by properly sourced text without using the non-free content at all.

The usage in other articles seems ok to me. --Eleassar my talk 08:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


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No consensus to delete. --Diannaa (talk) 22:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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This guy is still alive. Should we just speedy delete the file? His article is probably worthy of a speedy as well. If I had my way he wouldn't even deserve a redirect. We are forced to glorify some infamous subjects with articles but we shouldn't be going out of our way to keep the less notable ones.--Canoe1967 (talk) 13:53, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I think it's appropriate to keep. For one, we shouldn't be using the degree of notability (once past the WP:N or WP:BIO metric for a stand-alone article) to say whether we should have a picture or not - if a person is notable enough for a stand-alone, an image for identification should be allowed (mind you - one is not required to include such an image, however, but that's up to the editors on the page). Yes, this guy isn't a Charles Manson, but he is notable. As for being non-free, he remains incarcerated with no likely chance of parole/release anytime soon, so this is a fair allowance to use non-free. --MASEM (t) 14:02, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Agree with Masem. – JBarta (talk) 20:53, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Restored original cover and orphaned the alternate cover. --Diannaa (talk) 22:09, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Image is used twice in the same article but it only has a fair use rationale for one use. Also, the article claims that the image shows one thing the first time it is used and a different thing the second time it is used, so something is wrong. Stefan2 (talk) 12:54, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

The file link for the first cover in the infobox at Abrahadabra (album) was changed in July 2013 with a very simple edit summary of "file Renamed". This rendered File:Dimmu Borgir Abrahadabra album cover.jpg unused so it was deleted on 4 September 2013. I could image that this edit was made in error, but I've now asked Simeondahl to comment here. Nevertheless should we weigh the benefits of showing two different album covers in this article. Is the alternative cover really so different from the first version that it can't be described in text? Recent consensus seems to be to completely abolish the "alternative cover" option. I could imagine restoring File:Dimmu Borgir Abrahadabra album cover.jpg and deleting the alternative file instead. De728631 (talk) 22:48, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Images were removed on September 15. --Diannaa (talk) 22:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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I don't see why we need the logos for the clubs in the article about the competition. They seem to violate WP:NFCC#8 here. Stefan2 (talk) 19:35, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Yup, standard case to remove. We have articles on the clubs themselves so the logos are not needed here (if they are non-free). --MASEM (t) 20:39, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Checkers, please report orphaned non-free images on original uploader's Talk

Message received and understood --Diannaa (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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I do appreciate being informed of orphaned NF images I originally uploaded, and therefore figuratively shepherd. But when all I've done at an image is to reupload it reduced per WP:NFCC, I'm not the shepherd, just a good Samaritan returning another shepherd's lost sheep (image) to the fold (NFC compliance), so it's not really appropriate to notify (say) me. (Example of good-faith notification: here). When the only upload visible in the thumbnail "File history" section is "reduce per NFCC" (example), it pays to check the "View History" tab at top, to learn the original uploader's identity, to notify them. I've often expressed the need for the notification tools to automatically do this step for orphaned NF image reviewers. Can we get this done, please? Appropriate notification of the correct editor will only help everyone involved. --Lexein (talk) 17:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


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The copy on the Commons was deleted on Sept 27. commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Faizelghussein.jpg. --Diannaa (talk) 22:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Commons considers this to be Public Domain. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:07, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


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Kept. --Diannaa (talk) 22:37, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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As per Singapore Arms and Flag and National Anthem Rules (Cap. 296, R 1, 2004 Rev. Ed.), reproduction of the official version of the Coat of Arms (COA) is not allowed by non-Government entities. Hence, this Crest, which depicts the official COA (not based on its blazon) of Singapore, is contravening the rules as stated in the above document.

Wikipedia has been using a reproduction of the COA based on its blazon for depiction. Should this file be edited to change the COA depiction, which may cause an inaccurate depiction of the PMO's crest, or should it be deleted in its entirety? Syed (talk) 09:45, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

US Fair Use laws allow us to reuse copyrighted works under fair use provisions irregardless of limits the copyright holder may set on them. So there's no impact here. --MASEM (t) 15:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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The file has been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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This logo may not meet TOO. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


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The file has been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:52, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Text logo. Levdr1lp / talk 17:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

agreed. --18:01, 5 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masem (talkcontribs)
Note that I have moved this and several of the other files below to Commons. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:33, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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The file has been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:53, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Text logo. Levdr1lp / talk 17:57, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Unlikely to be eligible for copyright protection. Consisting of typefaces and simple geometric shapes. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:29, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
File moved to Commons by Stefan2. Levdr1lp / talk 00:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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The file has been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:53, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Text logo. Levdr1lp / talk 18:01, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

File moved to Commons by Stefan2. Levdr1lp / talk 00:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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The file has been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:54, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Text logo. Levdr1lp / talk 18:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Just typefaces. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
File moved to Commons by Stefan2. Levdr1lp / talk 00:50, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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The file has been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:55, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Text logo. Levdr1lp / talk 18:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

File moved to Commons by Stefan2. Levdr1lp / talk 00:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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The file has been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:56, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Text logo. Levdr1lp / talk 18:18, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

File moved to Commons by Stefan2. Levdr1lp / talk 00:52, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Deleted as F8. --Diannaa (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Looks like a PD-textlogo to me. RJaguar3 | u | t 19:17, 6 October 2013 (UTC)----

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