Wikipedia:Requested templates/Archive 4

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Proposal to create a smoking fetish template

To whom it may concern: I would like to suggest creating a template for the purpose of addressing a subject known officially as capagnolia; more-commonly known and refered to as "smoking fetish". My request is not-only based on personal opinion, but actually rooted in a lifetime of experience. This highly-underated, misunderstood & exclusive (some might say "exquisite") subject today more than ever - considering it`s particular composition & range of unique aspects, esp. a steadily-growing & seemingly never-ending supply of modern-day PC-related subject matter (PC in this case meaning both "politically-correct" AND "personal computer") - I believe more than qualifies it for a discussion template of it`s own origin & useful purpose.


That's not what templates are for. The idea behind a template is that you are going to use it on multiple pages, so you want a standardized form. Templates aren't to include in just one article. Besides, "addressing capagnolia" isn't nearly enough detail to create a template from. -Amarkov babble 20:02, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Derry Gaelic Athletic Association Clubs

Hi can anyone make a template for Derry Gaelic Athletic Association Clubs. You can call it Derry GAA Clubs. It's for Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Co. Derry, Ireland. You could make it in the same style as Template talk:Kildare Clubs. Please use the same headings, except replace "Kildare" with "Derry" in the first heading. Also there is no need for the "Other clubs" heading.

As for articles....could yhou plaese include the following under the relevant heading...
Senior Football Championship:

Intermediate Football Championship:
Coleraine GAC

I'll put the rest of the artices in myself once the template is complete. When I finish putting them all in, there'll be roughlt the same number of articles as the Template talk:Kildare Clubs template. Thanks in advance. (Derry Boi 15:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

I'll do it , out should of just asked at my talk page (Gnevin 19:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC))
This was created by User:Gnevin on November 15 2006 as {{Derry clubs}}. Mike Dillon 15:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Common pets template

How about a template with all the common pets from here? I've written about a half by now. Michaelas10 17:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Template finished. Although I'm afraid the word common might be POV. I need more votes on the discussion before I will start adding it to articles. Michaelas10 (Talk) 15:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Bah! Be bold! Move it to main space and start using it. If someone is offended, they can edit it. --Dgies 07:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Well yeah, unless this lowers the quality of the encyclopedia. Common still needs a better defining. Are there any official statistics for pets? Michaelas10 (Talk) 16:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Future Event, date specific, effecting the status of an article

I see the need for a general Future Event template, indicating the specified date, where the status of an article will change - with the facility for a brief description of change (needed); see Talk:Haslev municipality, this is infrequently edited and may not be changed promptly after it becomes redundant. The specified date function could be indexed, so it could alert admins of a article in need of update (although this may create a slew of alerts every January 1st).LessHeard vanU 21:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Updating information. This does not provide the description that you mention, but this could be easily added as a comment near the top of the article. --Scott McNay 02:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I will give it a try.LessHeard vanU 10:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I have used it in the article - I have made some observations over at Template talk:Update after which I hope are useful. Thanks againLessHeard vanU 11:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Update after now fulfills the requirements I suggested. Great work.LessHeard vanU 19:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

And we didn't even have to change it! :) --Scott McNay 00:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

School IP

Use of the sharedIP template does not seem apropriate, so can we have a schoolIP template. I have seen this on simple english, but it is not on this Wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamahl (talkcontribs)

Template:SharedIPEDU seems like it would be what you want... -Amarkov babble 01:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Iceland topics

I thought that a template containing Iceland topics, similar to Template:Portugal topics could be useful. I was planning to add it to newly created Portal:Iceland. I could easily create that template, but I reckon I need approval first. Please provide feedback. By the way, I'm requesting this template because I could not find one of its kind. If a template containing Iceland topics already exists, please let me know. Thank you.--Húsönd 23:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be no template for Iceland topics (there is no such template that contains a link to Iceland). I'm generally not in favor of such templates, but there are plenty of them so I think there's little chance it would be deleted if you created one. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Additional (cricket) all-rounder table

Is there any chance of creating an all-rounders table for players who have scored 3000 runs and taken 300 wickets in Test matches. There is already a table for players who have scored 2000 runs and taken 200 wickets in Test matches. Big Al 1984 11:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

See Template talk:All-rounders for discussion and help I need in creating it. --MECUtalk 17:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Parallel computing

Since the articles on Parallel computing can use some strength from eachother, I'd like to see an article series box on the subject. I'm thinking of something like Template:IPstack, but aligned left, without the etc markers ("..."), the pipe character as seperator instead of the comma, and the individual field tags bold when not linkified.

Below is the structure I propose -- primary heading represents the caption, secondary headings represent fields, list entries represent individual elements.

Parallel computing

Implementations - Hardware
Implementations - Software

Note that I've specifically _not_ listed individual implementations -- that's something for the articles themselves. The box would just get clogged with little to no extra value.

-- De Zeurkous (, Tuesday October 24 15:07 UTC 2006

I'm intrigued. I'm wondering if a horizontal orientation for placement at the bottom of articles might make more sense? I think I'll work on this one later tonight... --Dgies 00:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, how's this? --Dgies 04:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Request to rewrite

I was looking through the articles for deletion last night, and I am very concerned that "delete" notices are being pasted on articles which although clearly are in need of much work, are potentially good ideas.

Many of these articles appear from people who have not written before and are unaware of the procedures (or even how to put in titles, categories, etc.) and it clearly isn't a good first action to in effect say: "THIS STUPID ARTICLE AND AUTHOR SHOULD BE DELETED".

To avoid this situation I believe the procedures for deletion should be:

  1. If it meets criteria for speedy deletion - speedy delete.
  2. If the content probably warrants deletion and it is unlikely any article could be written under the title proposed that would be kept, then slap on a deletion notice
(but the comment should be in proportion to the effort/newness of the author')
  1. If the content may warrant deletion but it is possible the title may be good for an article, I proposed a: A Request to rewrite

A Request to rewrite

In essence a request to rewrite is an inoffensive deletion notice!

A request to rewrite would be a notice to the author that unless they substantially improve the article it will be deleted. The request would be time limited, after which if the article has not improved it will "automatically" become a request to delete (if edited) or deleted (if no action has been taken).

My personal opinion is that unless an article meets a criteria for speedy deletion or is posted by a seasoned author, then authors objecting to the deletion should be able to get the deletion notice removed and a "Request for rewrite" put in its place and the deletion notice should make this clear!.

In practice the two are very similar - if the author doesn't put in a substantial to improve the article it will be deleted anyway - but the psychological impact is very different: delete says: "go away you stupid...."; rewrite says: "good try but it will have to go unless..."

In addition the request to rewrite (and deletion notices) should go to a help page which explains:

  1. How to request help ({ { helpme } } -it may sound obvious but it isn't - and when you are new and spending 90% of your time trying to work out how to make bold and have one evening before the deletion date to finish the article ..... trying to find out how to get help is a nightmare!)
  2. How to "deal" with a request to delete.
    1. How to get it removed so that you can see what you are editing
    2. How to use an { { under construction } } notice!
    3. How to get it removed so that those involved have an incentive to work on the article
    4. How to change it into a request to rewrite
    5. How to move to home test-pages (not the kid's sandpit)
    6. A simple explanation of the deletion discussion.
    7. How to speedy delete your own article
  3. A link to some common "templates" for articles by which I mean: User:Haseler/template
  4. How to change the name of an article to make it less "contentious"
  5. How to explain the purpose of an article which is under construction so that the article is considered for its purpose rather than the current state of editing

--Mike 09:04, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There is a {{cleanup-rewrite}} template already. Your idea sounds good, and I think it could be incorporated into the existing template -- just change the text in the template. Be bold! -- PatrickFisher 14:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

New Article

If the worst company in the world (Micro$oft) can give me a choice of templates when I ask for a new document, why doesn't Wikipedia?

Having started a few articles (and having had more deleted), I can never remember what kinds of things ought to go in. Eventually I started a template article of my own: User:Haseler/template with the common headings. It ought to have e.g. some category information a "{ { stub } }" & "{ { underconstruction} }" notice at the top (but that wrecks Wikipedia if I leave it there!) If for new users it ought also to have a link to "how to edit a page" and "shortcuts" or whatever it is.

What I personally would like to do be able to do is to open a new page for editing and put:

{ { NewArticle} }, save it and magically a template article appears.

Better still, I would be given a choice of articles: biography, history, ideas, etc. and suitable headings etc. would appear for the respective category. (I also think when a new page is created there should be the option to place it on a user's testpages)

Ideally all new articles would open with this template as a default - which experience users could remove/Opt out of in preferences! --Mike 09:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

This is not an issue of creating templates, this is a request for a new feature of MediaWiki. Nobody can help you here. Try making a new feature request at the MediaWiki bug-tracker site. --Dgies 06:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
This is, in fact, bugzilla:3201. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This can be done with the "preload" functionality of the Inputbox extension. I believe it is currently installed on WP in some form, but it was a little inconsistent last time I looked at using it. Have a look at m:Help:Inputbox#Preload.

I just played with it a little and it seems to be working: Mike Dillon 15:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to note, I don't think this is appropriate to introduce across the board, but I see no problem with you using it for yourself. Just for fun, I did some hacking of my monobook.js to add a form to the "newarticletext" box that shows on the top of a new article. It's in a function called addPreloadArticleTemplate and requires my Easy DOM script. Mike Dillon 16:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Wizard-Introduction address any of the needed functionality? John Broughton | Talk 02:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag Template

Please may I have a template for the country of CONGO — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

You're going to have to be clearer about what it is you want. -Amarkov babble 14:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Depending on which country you're referring to, there are two "Congo" flag templates:

Unless you mean something other than the flag/country name template. Mike Dillon 06:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings! So many of the books, DVDs, etc. have links to as a source of information, I'd like to request a template for external links. Kind of like the {{imdb title}} template, using the item's isbn or title. This would streamline things considerably. Any takers? Cheers, Pegship 16:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Fairly certain we should shy away from links anyway, but here's the template: {{ item}}
In use: {{ item|id= 1400049628|title=''The Zombie Survival Guide''}}
Again, I don't know if this template actually meets a need (or follows any relevant guidelines). I just made it because it only took me about five minutes and I was bored. :-) EVula 16:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
For books, this is a very bad idea. Books are referenced by ISBN (see Wikipedia:ISBN) in order not to favor any single commercial vendor. John Broughton | Talk 02:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

100+ Premier League Goals Club

Could someone create a template for all the footballers who have scored at least 100 English Premier League goals. There are currently 13 players to have achieved this feat - Alan Shearer, Ian Wright, Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, Michael Owen, Teddy Sheringham, Matt Le Tissier, Robbie Fowler, Les Ferdinand, Dion Dublin, Thierry Henry and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. Big Al 1984 12:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. See {{FA Premier 100 Goal Scorers}}. I guessed it was FA Premier so if that's wrong we can change that. If you don't like something about it you can edit it yourself or let me know. I'll leave it up to you to include this on each of the pages of the players listed. --MECUtalk 17:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Two templates request


I apologise in advance if these already exist, but I would like to see two templates:

1. Template on Slovak motorways/motorroads - nearly all articles about these already exist.

2. Template on Bratislava bridges.

Thank you. MarkBA 17:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

More info is needed. What subjects will be included in each template? —Dgiest c 09:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
FWIW the first point is long done, Template:SlovakHighways. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

{{Infobox Co-operative}}

Please help the author of this template! :)Pixeltoo 02:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Why aren't you just using {{Co-operatives}}? -Amarkov blahedits 21:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Add Diagnosis to House (TV series) episode

Many of the individual pages for House episodes contain a distinct syntax to highlight the diagnos(es), putting that in the template should be considered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vagary (talkcontribs)

I'm on it. Actually, I plan on adding more than just that, but I'm still on it. -Amarkov blahedits 00:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


There's more to this one than requesting the template I know, but can we have a custom db-school template stating that the article in question has been requested to be speedily deleted because it doesn't assert why the school, university, college or other educational institution is important or notable? •Elomis• 06:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've created {{db-school}}, but don't use it for secondary education or higher. There's discussion about whether or not such institutions are inherently notable, so marking them for speedy would be inappropriate. -Amarkov blahedits 05:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Note - this template was deletedDaniel()Folsom T|C|U 17:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


I've just found out we're not to use db-repost if something didn't *actually* go through an AfD discussion- so, could we get a speedy deletion template, reason being something like "this is a repost of an article previously nominated, and speedy-deleted," to db-tag articles when they were speedy-deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cantras (talkcontribs)

No, we can't. The speedy criterion explicitly does not apply to previous speedies, so you couldn't use such a template. -Amarkov blahedits 05:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
with what you said, I'm not sure if you're confirming that db-repost isn't kosher for past speedy deletes, or if you're saying "previous speedy deletion can't be used as a cause for new speedy deletion." Which, i don't know, it seems like it would be, or would be relevant somehow- sortof a "an admin thought this should be deleted once already." Cantras 04:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not saying it shouldn't be, but it isn't, so you're going to have to get discussion about it over at WT:CSD, and get consensus that G4 should include speedies, before anyone's going to create the template. -Amarkov blahedits 04:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Speedies may be performed for reasons that are too varied fro such a template to be useful. If a Verbascum blattaria article is created and deleted as {{db-nonsense}}, it would theoretically be eligible automatically under such a criterion... Circeus 05:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

PermissionRequested template

At the moment there does not seem to be any templates notifying admins that a user has contacted the copyright owner requesting the image's use of Wikipedia.

The recommended template below, which may be called {{PermissionRequested}}, is made to respond to Template:Copyrighted, Template:Noncommercial and similar warning templates, and can warn admins not to delete the image until notification has been received.

Heckert GNU white.svg

Information icon.svg
This image is awaiting permission of use from its owner.

ExampleUser has contacted the copyright owner,, asking permission to license this image under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. Please do not delete this image or hide this template while a response is expected.

Once the request has been answered, please remove this notice. If permission has been granted, please send confirmation to the Wikimedia Communications committee, as per the instructions on Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.

This image has been tagged since <date>. If a response has not been received one week prior to this date, this image may be deleted without warning.

There are three suggested arguments: 1 - username, 2 - copyright holder, 3 - date.

Does anybody have any opinions on this? ~ ► Wykebjs ◄ (userpage | talk) 17:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be an automated mechanism for deleting content with expired permission requests. {{Replaceable fair use}} includes
[[Category:Replaceable fair use images as of {{{day|{{CURRENTDAY}}}}} {{{month|{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}}}} {{{year|{{CURRENTYEAR}}}}}]]
so perhaps you should include something for a relevant category of unlicensed images, to make it easy for admins to cleanup. Should also add that if you are going to include a tagging date like you have, you will need to force people to subst the template always, as is also done in {{Replaceable fair use}} --Dgies 17:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking, Dgies. Unless anybody objects, I can build the template and categories and edit Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission to instruct users to use the template.
I don't know how to create an automated mechanism however, but I'm don't believe it will take much effort for somebody experienced with this. Could anybody help? ~ ► Wykebjs ◄ (userpage | talk) 17:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
EDIT: I have submitted a bot request here. ~ ► Wykebjs ◄ (userpage | talk) 18:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
No, this is a bad idea. Copyright laws don't recognize what people expect to recieve, they recognize what they have. So a picture should not be kept until a reply is recieved, it should be deleted until a reply is recieved. -Amarkov blahedits 01:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
In certain situations, (like RFU), Wikipedia does have the right to use the image but for policy, not legal, reasons it must be deleted if not made available under different license terms. Wouldn't {{PermissionRequested}} be acceptable in those sorts of cases? We might need to include a note on it "This template can only be used for type-Foo copyright problems" --Dgies 07:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
But if there are any copyright problems, then the image should be deleted. The policy doesn't recognize what people expect to recieve, either. -Amarkov blahedits 03:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

{Redundant} Template

As I was browsing the German version of Wikipedia, a template that I came across and realized would be useful is the Redundant template.

{ {subst:Redundant|Article1|Article2|Article3(|other Articles)} }

{IconRedundant.gif This article overlaps thematically with ([Article1], [Article 2], etc). Help to distinguish or combine the articles. You can find a guide for doing so and a list of redundant articles under [Wikipedia:Redundant]. (Discuss)

In addition, there is a page explaining redundancy and how to use the tag (link). It also offers examples of how to discuss the subject, if you believe:
- There is no redundancy between the topics, and they do not need further work
- The topic choices are not redundant, but the difference in the articles is not obvious, and work needs to be done on the articles to make the differences more clear
- The articles should be merged
There is also a wiki category for open redundancy tags (sorted by month into subcategories) that are more than three months outstanding.

I could not find any tag under the merge/split/move section for articles that clearly have lots of overlap and need clarification, but probably not a merger. It addresses the problem more directly than a Cleanup or Merger tag.Thalassicus01 22:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

That would be fairly easy to make, though the maitenence tag bots would have to be updated to recognize it, but it assumes that articles which have some thematic overlap are redundant, which is not necessarily the case. Cleanup tags shouldn't imply something people will disagree with. -Amarkov blahedits 22:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it more closely fits under the Split/Merge subcategory (where it is placed on the German page), as those tags spark more discussion. On the other hand, it's used when a merger is likely not needed, somewhat overlapping the categories. I also agree that overlapping topics are not necessarily redundant, one of the three suggestions on the explanation page (as translated above) is to discuss why the topics (even though they overlap thematically) might be sufficiently distinguished to not require further work. Another name for the template could be {Overlap} or a similar synonym, the German word used is Redundanz.Thalassicus01 22:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at {{merge-multiple}}. Mike Dillon 22:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

User Language Template for Tunisian Arabic users

Hi! I am requesting a user language template for the Tunisian Arabic Language Users which is now listed on Wikipedia:Babel, the wikipedia code for Tunisian Arabic is "aen" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Simmy85 (talkcontribs).

Wikipedia:Babel suggests it's "aeb". Would you be willing to translate the Wikipedia:Babel/Levels? I doubt many people here speak that language. --Dgies 18:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The Tunisian Arabic article also says "aeb" as does the SIL reference page for ISO 639-3 language codes. The code "aen" is for Armenian sign language.[1] Mike Dillon 15:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Arabic to Roman Numerals

I was looking for a template that converts Arabic numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ...) to roman numerals. It'd be a great template for those who know nothing about Roman numerals, and it'd be great for what I'm trying to do now. Does anyone think they could do it in a relatively short period of time? JARED(t)  14:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at {{roman}}. Here's an example
{{roman|2006}} → MMVI
I think that's what you want. Mike Dillon 15:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a million. Don't mind me if I make edits to the template. Great job!!! JARED(t)  15:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. However, I've requested protection for this template. It is used in over 500 year articles and does not need frequent editing. Mike Dillon 15:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Do Not Delete Template

i've created a couple of articles two times, and they have been deleted twice. i'm thinking of adding some kind of template, with an image that says "delete" in a circle that is slashed. text should say "Please Do Not Delete This Article. It has been requested by a user who wants to keep it undeleted. If you think this article should be deleted, please discuss it in the article's talk page." if you could do a link to several talk pages, that'd be great. i don't know how to link multiple talk pages. it's just a suggestion, because the articles i've made i want to keep. just try, if you can. thanks! talk back in my talk page. Jailbreaker22 02:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

As seems to happen a lot, this is a simple template to make. But it's based on a false premise, namely, that an author may prevent deletion by saying they don't want it to be deleted. As requested, also responded on user talk. -Amarkov blahedits 02:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

General notifier for people using a talk page

Text along the lines of "There is a new major article or summary on this topic that requires attention" to place at the top of a busy talk page to indicate that a new article that somebody requested has in fact been created and that most of the people interested in the topic would probably like to look at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sojourner001 (talkcontribs)

It seems like a simple message on the talk page would suffice. Mike Dillon 14:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

please provide template {{unclear writing}}

it should be like "cleanup" except refer to unclear writing. The template "cleanupconfusing" is good, but in the place I would like to add it there is nothing confusing about the prose. It's just a little unclear and needs cleanup. For now, I'm adding a simple cleanup tag, but "unclear writing" would be better. This is the section. It looks like it's been copyedited fairly well. It's not in need of "cleaning up", it's just simply an unclear approach. The template should prompt the author to try their hand again, hopefully attaining a clearer version. They shouldn't really clean up their version, they should really realize it will always be inherrently pretty unclear. Maybe a diagram or rearranging the sentences might help, that's up to the author. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

This looks like exactly what {{confusing}} is for. We shouldn't have more templates for the same thing. PatrickFisher 13:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

HTML Timeline Requested

Can Wikipedia create a template which automates making (and rearranging/organizing) HTML files into a historic time line which can be used by anyone for any time line in any historic period (from Ancient History to Modern).

These types of templates exist in cyberland for Word Documents and Excell files but not for HTML. What would be perfect would be a style sheet developed or other type of template into which a student of history could enter an event or person with the event or person's time span, source of information, photo(s), and write up (1 or more paragraphs)...with a seperate "click out" page for more "in depth" look at the event or person's life yet with one overall "page" that shows how things relate to one another. Vertical or horizontal doesn't matter (maybe both?) for the time line, just so that the summary on the time line is clickable to another web page that can give details.

Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Can you provide an example of a site that has what you're looking for? --Dgies 22:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Could you use <timeline>, as is shown in Welsh language? --Dgies 06:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

League of Ireland football

Could you please update this template by removing Dublin City F.C. who folded due to debt. Also, could you please include the Eircom League logo on either side of the title which I have created here Eircomleague.jpg and a separate section for past seasons with the Irish flag on either side of the title, similar to this Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnfullerton (talkcontribs)

  • Dublin City F.C. was already removed
  • The logo cannot be used because of Wikipedia's fair use policy
  • The seasons go back to 1921 and there are no articles
I don't think there is anything more to do with this request unless it is made clearer what should be done with the long list of seasons that would result. Mike Dillon 15:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

constructing a soccer stadium for the 2101 world cup in soweto

PLease list the templates for constructing a soccer stadium in Soweto what all needs to be added to the quality and communication plan when constructing a soccer stadium — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

2101? Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Dgies 06:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

New Jersey Historical Sites

List of New Jersey state parks I would appreciate a template similar to the New Jersey State Parks one. The list is on List of New Jersey state parks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ram32110 (talkcontribs)

Created as {{New Jersey Historic Sites}} using Historic Sites list at List of New Jersey state parks#Historic Sites of New Jersey. Added to List of New Jersey state parks. Mike Dillon 15:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Life in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations

Both the African Union and the European Union has this template, i think ASEAN should also, as a matter of fact i think as many international organizations with some sort of membership should included Briaboru

The requester is referring to {{Life in the African Union}} and {{Life in the European Union}}. There is currently no article on Life in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations that is comparable to Life in the African Union or Life in the European Union, so the template for ASEAN would be mostly redlinks. I just did a Google search for "Association of Southeast Asian Nations" or "ASEAN" in titles on Wikipedia and no comparable articles exist for Culture, Ecomony, etc. Mike Dillon 16:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Locked pages

There are a lot of pages which have been locked and have the template that tells you to go to the talk page to look up why. Honestly, I've barely ever been able to find out why exactly a page has been locked and would like to suggest some mention of a reason being either mentioned on the page itself or the talk page, preferably through use of a template. Like this:

|This page has been locked and the admin who did so states the following as a reason:|
|________INSERT REASON HERE__________________________________________________________| — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohanTenge (talkcontribs)

This can be found in the protection log for the page. For instance, // Perhaps the {{Protected}} template and friends should link to the protection log, but this should probably be discussed at Template talk:Protected instead of here. Mike Dillon 06:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
For fully protected pages, the first place to go might be the history of the page (edit summary), since the most recent revision will be to apply protection. John Broughton | Talk 02:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism Watch Template Request

I created and would like to use the below template for use with an article (Johnny Rebel (singer)) that has been hit by vandals (or a vandal) over 30 times since September.

Nuvola apps agent.png Note: This page has been the target of frequent vandalism and is monitored closely for unacceptable edits.

Does this meet with approval? (I.e., may I do this?)

Sincerely,--Skb8721 20:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't need permission to do it, but I don't think it's a great idea. You might have a look at WP:BEANS. Also, I don't think that being vandalized 30 times in 3 months is a big deal, especially if the article is being closely montitored. Have a look at the edit history of Bob Marley (who is admittedly much better known). Mike Dillon 15:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Right, I get it. The "Beans" article makes sense. I won't add the tag to the site in question. If I were an administrator, however, I would semi-protect the site, perhaps for over a month at a time, because the vandalism in question is being caused by an anonymous AOL user (presumably the same AOL user), and I seem to be the one who inevitably ends up reverting the article. It's a tiresome game. Which I think is what's it's become for the vandal in question -- a game. Anyway, thanks! --Skb8721 16:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
You can ask for semi-protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. I haven't examined the article history, so I can't say whether or not semi-protection is actually warranted in this case. On further reflection, 30 "vandalisms" for a fairly obscure musician in 3 months may be a little high, assuming it is vandalism and not a content dispute. Mike Dillon 17:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your additional response. I don't think the vandalism is a matter of content dispute; rather, I think the vandal doesn't like the article located at the external link, because he keeps deleting the external link, or sabotaging the link so that it doesn't work. This is almost always what he does -- although on rare occasions he also adds a racist comment, such as using the "N word".
I think the vandal in question dislikes the external link because the article to which it leads exposes the real name of the racist singer using the pseudonym Johnny Rebel and, more importantly, paints the singer in a very negative light. The article at the external link is a legitimate newspaper article from the Gannett-owned weekly "Times of Acadiana" in Lafayette, La. (See Times of Acadiana) When the author of the article, Nick Pittman, left the Times, the newspaper deleted the article from its archives; therefore, Pittman reprinted it on his own personal web site for future reference. That's why the article is not on the newspaper's official site.
Also, the Rebel article on Wikipedia was indeed semi-protected at my request for about two weeks back in October or so, and that did take care of the problem temporarily, since the vandal never logs in, but is an anonymous AOL user (judging from his IP addresses). Of course, this means he can't be blocked, since many AOL users have the same IP address as the vandal. Sincerely,--Skb8721 21:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

articles lacking notability

i've looked at a couple articles that don't have notability in them. i don't know if it exists, but if there is one, let me know. if not, here's what should be on the template. "this article lacks notability. if no one provides notability to this article, it could be deleted." something like that, maybe within a week. anyway, if this won't work, then let me know. i'm outta here. Jailbreaker22 22:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

  • {{notability}} -Amarkov blahedits 22:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • You're looking for {{prod}}. It suggests why an article should be deleted, and tags if for automatic deletion if nobody contests this within a week. If you tag an article with a prod, it is recommended you leave a {{prodwarning}} notice on the article creator's talk page. --Dgies 22:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Prod works too, if you want slightly more force. But keep in mind that a prod can be removed by anyone, for any reason whatsoever, while a cleanup template like {{notability}} requires a consensus that notability is indeed provided. -Amarkov blahedits 22:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
True, but the {{notability}} tag could just stay up there indefinitely. On the other hand, you can watchlist the prodded page and take it to WP:AFD if someone removes the prod without providing evidence of notability. --Dgies 22:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
So it depends on whether you're closer to "Well, this is probably notable, but I'd like to see it in the article" or "I doubt this is notable, but it might be". -Amarkov blahedits 22:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Template for citations and other long sections

I'm looking for a template that allows you to add references, etc, and 'minimize' them in a manner like 'content' box at the top of articles.

For example, the article History of feminism has a large amount of sources and citations, if their was a way to hide these, it would be extremely useful in the department of reader-friendly.

It would be even more useful if something like this could be created, where the information was located elsewhere and didn't add to the article size.

Thanks--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 06:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I made {{hiderefs}}, and I'm trying to make it the right color. -Amarkov blahedits 17:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Now the right color, but I'm still trying to move "references" up. -Amarkov blahedits 17:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to remove the "References" text. That way people can put up their own section header like: ==References== {{hideref}} Another consideration is that often when there is a references section, there are also a number of other references added simply as external links without using the <ref> extension. In order to be compatible with these we would need an opening and closing tag so people could have stuff like this: ==References== {{hideref start}} [some external links go here]]{{hideref end}} --Dgies 17:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
There has to be some text there, or the collapsing won't work. I can go tweak it to allow extra external links now. -Amarkov blahedits 18:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure? Couldn't {{hideref start}} open the div and table, and then {{hideref end}} closes it? --Dgies 19:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure. If there's no text there, then the link to open it doesn't show up. -Amarkov blahedits 19:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm trying to figure out how to use it, where do I put the text?--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 18:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Ew, you're not using cite.php. In that case, you put it like this:

{{hiderefs| ;heading *reference *reference 2 ;heading *reference 3 *reference 4 }}

There should be a line break between each thing. Tell me if it doesn't work. -Amarkov blahedits 19:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
No, it doesn't work yet. Hold on... -Amarkov blahedits 19:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Will this work when the references are using <noinclude><references/></noinclude>?--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 19:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and with that, you just have to put in {{hiderefs}}. That's what I coded it for, because I assumed you were using it. -Amarkov blahedits 19:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you can show us/me on the history of feminism, I seem to be too stupid to understand how this template works.--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 19:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
90% of the times, such a section is placed under a header. If such a template is to be used, it must allow for the "footnotes" part to disappear because there will be a header above it. Also, does it work with {{reflist}} columns? Circeus 14:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The text has to be there, or it doesn't work. Anyway, the appropriateness of such a template even optimally in theory is in discussion at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources. -Amarkov blahedits 15:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

More Images

I'd like a template requesting more images for the article it is posted on. --PostScript 13:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Image request templates These go on talk pages. Circeus 14:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it's pretty much consensus that more image templates don't go on articles. -Amarkov blahedits 15:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
What they said. Also, a lot of those templates let you supply a parameter where you say what exactly you are requesting. --Dgies 15:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Barry Manilow Template Request

A template for Barry Manilow is needed similar to the one for Paul McCartney that shows studio albums, soundtracks, compilations or greatest hits albums, other related albums, singles. As it is now, the Discography section is long and takes up a lot of space. A template like this would look more organized and make it easier for the reader. Thanks for your consideration and help. 16:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC) (talkcontribs) 19:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Airlines of Brazil

I was wondering if I can make a template for the airline of Brazil.--Golich17 22:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead. It looks like {{Airlines of Turkey}} would be a good template to base it on. Other examples may be found in Category:Aviation navigational boxes. Mike Dillon 22:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Amazing Race contestant

A template about a contestant of the Amazing Race — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjaminso (talkcontribs)

  • More information is needed. What should this template have that is not covered by the standard {{infobox person}}? —Dgiest c 17:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Display spelling based on browser

Can somebody make a template that is used to display different spellings according to the browser/system locale. Usage examples could be for instance (UK, US, default). (This could resolve disputes such as this)

  • {{US=Color|Colour}}
  • {{UK=Programme|Program}}
  • {{UK=Programme|US=Program|Program}}

        if (lang=="en-us")
  // end hiding --->

Shyamal 06:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

  1. I'm not sure this is a good idea, and
  2. Does MediaWiki even allow you to put JavaScript inside a template?
Dgiest c 07:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
No, it doesn't. The JavaScript would have to be placed in MediaWiki:Common.js and triggered by something in the template. This triggering is usually done with a CSS class. I don't see this being added to MediaWiki:Common.js. Mike Dillon 08:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Note- although this last comment may be open ended- a lack of response for over month demanded that it be archivedDaniel()Folsom |\T/|\C/|\U/ 02:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Unrenderable Characters (Arabic transliteration)

A number of characters based on the ArabDIN 31635 standard are used on pages that discuss Arabic-related issues. Unfortunately, they do not all display correctly on common browsers such as Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0. I have tried replacing individual characters with equivalents that do display, but I have gotten mixed results, and I don't know why. See Arabic alphabet and Qur'an. There seems to be a set of templates, such as {{ArabDIN|ʼ}}, that are causing the problem. I can't fix the problem myself, but I'd like to be able to flag the pages that are affected so that they can be fixed by someone who DOES know how. Suggested text: "This article or section contains characters in the ArabDIN 31635 encoding scheme which do not render properly on common web browsers such as Internet Explorer. Please convert these characters so that they will display properly. Remove this tag when complete." --Cbdorsett 11:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The issue isn't the browser, though; I use IE, and it renders fine. -Amarkov blahedits 02:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I was researching a problem with an unusual unicode character displaying, and came across information indicating that it's a matter of whether the browser has a font that can handle it. I didn't really solve the problem, but I do believe that firefox and IE6 and IE7 may behave differently with regards to this. John Broughton | Talk 03:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, but can you recommend a font? I'll figure out how to install it myself. But it still leaves the question open. People who do not have the font need to know where to get it and how to install it. This sounds like the right kind of thing for a tag. By the way, I ran across the same problem with some Cyrillic transliterations. Cbdorsett 12:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Wanting 2 templates if that is alright

Hi, I was hoping for two templates. One being yellow with a picture of a lemon stating: This user's favourite fruit are lemons. Also, I'd like a template with the bisexuality flag on it stating: This user is bisexual. I am not at all fussed of the design. Thanks xxxxxxx Oriana is cool 17:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

For The lemons one I have made {{User:Oriana is cool/Userboxes/Lemons}} for you. For bisexuality, see what you like over at User:Disavian/Userboxes/SexualityDgiest c 17:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

AMD chipset template request

As AMD is renaming their chipsets into new naming scheme, I think an AMD chipset template is needed, and not adding the new chipsets into the ATI template... -- 07:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

We have an existing article List of Intel chipsets. How about you make an article at List of AMD chipsets instead?

Proposed Medical Disclaimer Template

I think that articles on medical conditions and treatments should bear a disclaimer. Particularly if it is deemed that people might use the information provided in lieu of seeking proper medical care. I made a template in my user space that I think addresses this concern: Jerry lavoie 01:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


Which looks like:


Medical Disclaimer

Wikipedia (including its related projects and mirrors) is Not Intended to Give Medical Advice. The contents of articles on medical conditions, treatments and devices, (including text, graphics, and other material) are for informational purposes only, and may not have been reviewed by competent Health Care Professionals. This article is not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of a qualified healthcare provider with any questions you may have regarding any medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of Content found on Wikipedia. If you have a medical emergency, call your physician or Emergency Response System (eg. 911) immediately. Wikipedia does not recommend or endorse any specific third-party tests, physicians, products, procedures, opinions, or other information found in its articles. Reliance on any information provided by Wikipedia, is solely at your own risk.
This is a bad idea. See WP:NDT, but in essence, the problem is that we already have a Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer, and tagging specific articles will cause problems with articles that are not tagged. -Amarkov blahedits 01:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the rationale in WP:NDT for medical disclaimers is a bit weaker, but still applies. If out of "common sense" or whatever you think we should start adding medical disclaimers, gather some support at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) and see if you can convince people. —Dgiest c 07:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This discussion has been moved to village pump. Please add any comments there. Jerry lavoie 14:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Fighters

I'd like a template that shows the fighters for Super Smash Bros., Melee, and Brawl. There is one under consideration for deletion.

If there's one under consideration for deletion, we can't just create a new one to avoid the result. -Amarkov blahedits 01:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

astrology template

please replace the link 'Persian-Arabic astrology', which links to an article with a particular islamic view of astrology, with 'Arab and Persian astrology' which links to an article of that name which deals with the history. Please also remove the link 'Celtic astrology' which leads to an insigificant article and replace it with a link 'Mayan astrology' which would link to the article 'Mayan calender', which is an important part of the history of astrology — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neelmack (talkcontribs)

Done. In the future, please sign your requests by typing ~~~~ —Dgiest c 08:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Middlesbrough FC

Could I have a template which shows I support Middlesbrough FC.

Thank you

Footyfan99 18:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Could I have a Middlesbrough FC template?

Footyfan99 18:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

There is already a version of one at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Sports/Football#England. —Dgiest c 18:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Electric Railroad Templates

Could somebody create a template for the electrified Chicago railroads? It would have a section on defunct railroads, including the Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee, Chicago Aurora and Elgin, and Chicago Surface Lines, as well as a "Currently Operating" section which would contain the Chicago Transit Authority, South Shore Line, and Metra Electric. I know that there are more than that, but there could be an edit button. I think it would be a good template to have, since Electric Railroads have been an important part of Chicago's history. Or, if the electric railways aren't enough, someone could also make a template for Chicago railroads, since Chicago is basically a railroad city. --MasterA113 13:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Latin alphabet template needs fixing

Please change OSI to ISO - maybe OSI is correct in some other language, but in English, it's called the ISO. Cbdorsett 05:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. —Dgiest c 06:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
That was fast! Thanks. Cbdorsett 06:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Non-profit organization infobox

I would like a non-profit organization infobox. Right now, articles like World Wide Fund for Nature use {{Infobox Company}}, but that is not sufficient enough. It's a kind of weird to speak of Industry and Products when we're actually talking about the environment. User:MamaGeek already proposed a Nonprofit charitable organisatons box and I think that one could be tweaked to work for all non-profit organizations. Thanks in advance. ThijsN 15:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

A reasonable idea but you need to be more specific. What exactly will be changed from {{Infobox Company}}? Most of it's fields are optional so if they don't apply you can just ignore them. You need "Charitable focus" and "Volunteers" added; anything else? —Dgiest c 15:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, you must be running mad because of all these non-specific requests. The things I did not mention yesterday: "Focus" (or "charitable focus", I don't know which one fits better), "Volunteers" and a synonym for "Industry". There are no other parameters I can imagine - for this moment. But the name {{Infobox Company}} is still strange for non-profit organizations.. Thank you. ThijsN 05:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Correction: 'Focus' is a synonym for 'Industry'. New parameters should be: focus, volunteers and a synonym for products. ThijsN 13:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 Done See {{Infobox Non-profit}} Its basically the same as the company one but with a few fields renamed and some deleted. Mr.Z-mantalk 00:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hero! Thank you. ThijsN 12:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Artix Entertainment Template 2

I would like to request a template with the Letters AQ in a Gold Color, and on the side have it say This user is a member of Wikiproject:Artix Entertainment. Thank You (Again). SupaSoldier 01:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I've created it at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Artix Entertainment/userbox. If you'd like a less ugly color scheme, tell me what colors you want and I can change it tomorrow. -Amark moo! 05:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's pretty good, Thank You, but I was wondering if you could make it a black background. Also is there any way you could make the Font look like the font they used for this image---> Image:Aq-wallpaper-girlsofAQ.jpg ? Thank You for your time! :^) §SupaSoldier 16:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

And also, How do I put that on the Wikiproject page, and on my Userbox Stack? §SupaSoldier 16:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Just add {{Wikipedia:Wikiproject Artix Entertainment/userbox}} to wherever you want to include it. —Dgiest c 16:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Excessive category clean-up template

I would like to propose an excessive category template that can be applied to articles that appear at the top of Special:Mostcategories. This could be used to indicate that some type of category clean-up is needed (whether it involves removing categories from the individual article pages or consolidating or deleting impractical categories). I would be willing to write a draft of such a template. Dr. Submillimeter 12:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with that is, having lots of categories is not necessarily bad. For instance, George H.W. Bush, at the top of the list, belongs in all the categories, and is in no redundant ones. A template implying that it is necessary to remove categories doesn't work. -Amark moo! 15:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Please read my request again. The template would also encourage deleting or merging impractical categories. For example, George H. W. Bush contains many categories that are rather superfluous. I have nominated three categories from George H. W. Bush for deletion, and all of the votes are currently in favor of deletion. This demonstrates that George H. W. Bush contained some categories that were impractical. Hank Aaron was another great example. Hank Aaron's article contained over fifty categories before a vote on 2006 November 19 led to merging multiple categories related to his play in the All-Star games. The template would serve a purpose beyond asking the editors to remove redundant categories; it would also ask the user to help clean up the category system.
I also disagree on whether having too many categories is bad. At the moment, the categories in George H. W. Bush appear as 12 lines of unorganized blue text in my web browser. This blue mass of links is difficult to read; it would be unacceptable in most other electronic documents. Some of the superfluous categories need to be removed just to make the section more readable. Dr. Submillimeter 16:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
You'll still need a consensus that such a cleanup template really is appropriate. WT:CAT seems like a good place to go. -Amark moo! 16:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I will go there and start a discussion. Dr. Submillimeter 09:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Phonology template

(This is my first time using this page, so I apologize if I'm doing something wrong) I am requesting a navigational template for all the articles dealing with the phonology of different languages (i.e. English phonology, Arabic phonology). I'm having a difficult time finding the best template to base it on, though it would be somewhat similar to Template:Regions of the world. Considering the vast number of languages and the vast number of them which don't have phonology articles, it might be best to either create different templates for individual langauge families, or to include only the languages which already have phonology articles. The former would probably be the best choice. --Wikiwøw 15:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting this right now. You can see it at {{Language phonologies}}. I'm going to add all of the pure phonology articles in Category:Language phonologies. Mike Dillon 15:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Done. Feel free to edit it. Mike Dillon 15:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, and I'll try to add as many languages as I can find. So I suppose this one is about ready to be distributed. In that case, I'll get to work placing it on the appropriate articles. --Wikiwøw 15:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
While you're at it, you should add them to Category:Language phonologies. We could make the navbox add the category, but I'm generally against that sort of magic in templates. Mike Dillon 15:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Embassy Template

I am requesting a template for all articles about International Embassies with information like the ambassador, the location, the representative country, a place for the respective flag, etc... Thank you so much. Rory for suomi 15:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

For what country? Also, where is a list or article that contains the data you want? Mike Dillon 15:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure he wants an infobox. I'll try to do it. -Amark moo! 15:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well specifically its for Finland, but just an infobox would be useful so it could be used for other embassies and whatnot. Thanks. Rory for suomi 15:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Amarkov was right that I misinterpreted your request. I thought you were asking for a navigation box for a specific country's embassies, not an infobox. Mike Dillon 15:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Finland Template

Could I please request a template just like this :

Flag of Russia.svg This user is interested in Russia and is capable of speaking in a Russian accent.

, but about Finland instead. Thanks a lot! Rory for suomi 06:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)