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1994 - At the Rose Bowl Stadion in Pasadena, Brasil wins against Italy his fourth soccer FIFA World Cup, 0–0 (AET), 3–2 (PSO). This match was the first final to be decided on a penalty shoot-out with no goals being scored either in regular time or in extra time.

This event (winning a FIFA world cup) is on the first page of all world's newspaper the day after the match. Furthermore other winners are noted in the "selected anniversaries" on wikipedia. Why this keeps on be deleted? If this is not relevant then all other finals should be removed.

Rome Statute[edit]

How about this one?

1998 – A diplomatic conference adopted the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, establishing a permanent international court to prosecute individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression.

Polemarchus (talk) 03:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2012 notes[edit]

Omitted: Peter III of Russia (ineligible—maintenance); NEC; Spanish coup of July 1936/Spanish Civil War; Mohammed Zahir Shah; East Timor (deleted—already featured on May 20); TWA Flight 800
Included: Harvard School of Dental Medicine (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); RMS Carpathia (first appearance); Potsdam Conference (first appearance); Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr (first appearance); 2009 Jakarta bombings (first appearance)

Woohoo! All five articles are making their OTD debuts! —howcheng {chat} 05:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Harvard Dental School[edit]

The on this day feature states that:

1867 – In Boston, Massachusetts, the Harvard School of Dental Medicine was established as the first dental school in the United States.

From the Wikipedia article:

The move towards university-based dental education institutions (as they exist today) began with the formation of Harvard Dental School in 1867.

The first dental school in the world was the Baltimore College of Dental Surgery in 1840, now part of the University of Maryland, Baltimore. I suggest that the line be replaced to the following more accurate statement:

1867 – In Boston, Massachusetts, the Harvard School of Dental Medicine was established as the first university-based dental school in the United States.

Fixed. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 21:34, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes[edit]

New articles (unused): Manchester Metrolink
Omitted: Harvard School of Dental Medicine; RMS Carpathia; Potsdam Conference; Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr; 2009 Jakarta bombings
Included: Scillitan Martyrs (first appearance); Battle of Castillon (first appearance); Bloody Falls Massacre (first appearance); Shooting of the Romanov family (2nd appearance, last in 2010); Mohammed Zahir Shah (3rd appearance, last in 2011; 40th anniversary); Hyatt Regency walkway collapse (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 06:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish coup of July 1936 (last appearance 2011) added in place of Shooting of the Romanov family (too close in topic to the TFA). Bencherlite ^Talk 08:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Harvard School of Dental Medicine (maintenance); Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): 1998 Papua New Guinea earthquake
Omitted: Bloody Falls Massacre; Spanish Civil War; Mohammed Zahir Shah; Hyatt Regency walkway collapse
Included: Invasion of the Waikato (5th appearance, last in 2007; previously appeared on October 31); Shooting of the Romanov family (2nd appearance, last in 2010); Port Chicago disaster (first appearance; 70th anniversary); Manchester Metrolink (first appearance)
Repeats: Battle of Castillon (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes[edit]

New articles (unused): Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
Omitted: Battle of Castillon; Shooting of the Romanov family; Port Chicago disaster; Manchester Metrolink
Included: Bloody Falls massacre (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Potsdam Conference (6th appearance, last in 2012; 70th anniversary); Mohammed Zahir Shah (4th appearance, last in 2013); 2009 Jakarta bombings (2nd appearance, last in 2012)
Repeats: Invasion of the Waikato (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes[edit]

New articles (ineligible): Baudouin of Belgium (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Harvard School of Dental Medicine
Omitted: Bloody Falls massacre; Potsdam Conference; Mohammed Zahir Shah; 2009 Jakarta bombings
Included: Champ de Mars Massacre (2nd appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); RMS Carpathia (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Spanish coup of July 1936 (3rd appearance, last in 2013; 80th anniversary); TWA Flight 800 (6th appearance, last in 2011; 20th anniversary)
Repeats: Invasion of the Waikato (3rd consecutive appearance, 7 total)

—howcheng {chat} 19:21, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Harvard School of Dental Medicine (maintenance); 2009 Jakarta bombings (maintenance)
Omitted: Champ de Mars Massacre; Invasion of the Waikato; Spanish coup of July 1936; TWA Flight 800
Included: Battle of Castillon (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Bloody Falls massacre (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Port Chicago disaster (2nd appearance, last in 2014); Manchester Metrolink (2nd appearance, last in 2014; 25th anniversary); Sverker II of Sweden (first appearance); Berenice Abbott (first appearance); Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia (first appearance)
Repeats: RMS Carpathia (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:22, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Execution of the Romanov family (Anastasia Nikolaevna is TFA for 2018)
New articles (ineligible): Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Russia (TFA)
New articles (unused): Empress Dowager Du; Florence Fuller
Omitted: Battle of Castillon; Port Chicago disaster; Manchester Metrolink; Sverker II of Sweden; Berenice Abbott (ineligible—maintenance); Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia
Included: Invasion of the Waikato (8th appearance, last in 2016); Potsdam Conference (7th appearance, last in 2015); 1998 Papua New Guinea earthquake (first appearance; 20th anniversary); Dorothea Dix (first appearance); Carlos Manuel Arana Osorio (first appearance; 100th birthday); Wong Kar-wai (first appearance; 60th birthday)
Repeats: Bloody Falls massacre (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); RMS Carpathia (3rd consecutive appearance, 4 total; 100th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 15:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes[edit]

Deleted: Constitution Day (South Korea) (accidental, it appears)
Omitted: Bloody Falls massacre; Invasion of the Waikato; RMS Carpathia; Potsdam Conference; 1998 Papua New Guinea earthquake; Dorothea Dix; Carlos Manuel Arana Osorio; Wong Kar-wai
Included: World Emoji Day (first appearance); Champ de Mars massacre (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Spanish coup of July 1936 (4th appearance, last in 2016); Hyatt Regency walkway collapse (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Manchester Metrolink (3rd appearance, last in 2017); TAM Airlines Flight 3054 (3rd appearance, last in 2010); Empress Dowager Du (first appearance); Eunice Newton Foote (first appearance; 200th birthday); Florence Fuller (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 16:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Potsdam Conference (maintenance); Dorothea Dix (maintenance); Carlos Manuel Arana Osorio (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): 17 July Revolution (blurb previously featured Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, which remains ineligible)
New articles (unused): Mary Osborne
Omitted: Champ de Mars massacre (ineligible—maintenance); Spanish coup of July 1936 (deleted—moved to July 18); Hyatt Regency walkway collapse; Manchester Metrolink; TAM Airlines Flight 3054; Empress Dowager Du; Eunice Newton Foote; Florence Fuller
Included: Constitution Day (South Korea) (restored after accidental deletion); Pope Damasus II (first appearance); Battle of Castillon (4th appearance, last in 2017); Invasion of the Waikato (9th appearance, last in 2017); RMS Carpathia (5th appearance, last in 2018); Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (first appearance); James Somerville (first appearance); Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia (2nd appearance, last in 2017); António Costa (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 17:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes[edit]

Omitted: Battle of Castillon; Invasion of the Waikato; RMS Carpathia; Malaysia Airlines Flight 17; James Somerville; Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia; António Costa
Included: Bloody Falls massacre (5th appearance, last in 2018; 250th anniversary); 17 July Revolution (first appearance); Hyatt Regency walkway collapse (3rd appearance, last in 2019; 40th anniversary); Maurycy Gottlieb (first appearance); Mary Osborne (first appearance; 100th birthday); Florence Fuller (2nd appearance, last in 2019; 75th anniversary)
Repeats: Pope Damasus II (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2022 notes[edit]

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Execution of the Romanov family
Omitted: Pope Damasus II; Bloody Falls massacre; 17 July Revolution; Hyatt Regency walkway collapse; Maurycy Gottlieb; Mary Osborne
Included: Battle of Castillon (5th appearance, last in 2020); Vega (first appearance); Port Chicago disaster (3rd appearance, last in 2017); Manchester Metrolink (4th appearance, last in 2019; 30th anniversary); Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (2nd appearance, last in 2020); Eunice Newton Foote (2nd appearance, last in 2019); Wong Kar-wai (2nd appearance, last in 2018)
Repeats: Florence Fuller (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 02:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]