Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/October 7

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Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/October 6 * Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/October 8

Should I mention that I dispute the inclusion of a State Recall Election being on here? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 03:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't like it that much either. Any replacements ? -- PFHLai 03:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
1951 - David Ben-Gurion forms first Israeli government.
1959 - Far side of the Moon seen for first time, compliments of U.S.S.R.'s Luna 3.
1985 - The "Achille Lauro" is hijacked by Palestinian terrorists.
2001 - The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan starts with an air assault and covert operations on the ground.
Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 04:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions, Sherurcij. For 2007, I've just posted the 1959 item about Luna 3 and the far side of the Moon. The 2001 war in Afghanistan seems somewhat current, and, if choices are available, I'd suggest not having so many military-related items. (In retrospect, i should have used it for the 5th Anniversary. Too late now.) Achille Lauro is already there. And, I'd pass on the 1951 item because the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel is already featured on May 14th. Thanks, again, for the suggestions. -- PFHLai 15:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Who is Erin born in 1991, and why does she(he?) merit inclusion on a list like this?

Hebrew Calendar-Epoch?[edit]

The Hebrew Calendar begins on Rosh Hashana (as indicated in the epoch article) and thus the anniversary of the epoch on the Gregorian Calendar changes every year. This year's anniversary was 3.5 weeks ago, on Thursday, September 13. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion, I guess for next year: Oct. 7, patent granted for "the barcode". See [1]. I think it meets any global significance criteria.Rhodesisland (talk) 01:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Ottoman Empire defeat[edit]

This discussion was moved from WP:ERRORS; nothing was settled before it went off the Main Page. Maybe continue discussion so next year it's better? --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

"The Ottoman Empire was decisively defeated by the Christian West for the first time" - Not true. The Ottomans suffered many defeats against the Hungarians under John Huyandi, and in particular the Siege of Belgrade in the late 15th century was surely a "decisive defeat" for the Ottomans. Gabr-el 05:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Please propose the new wording. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Also, Spain, Venice etc. are further west than the Hungarians. Art LaPella (talk) 13:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Alternative wording? With all due respect, its simple enough for you to see: The Ottoman Empire was decisively defeated by the Christian West. Perhaps on second thought this is better:

The Ottoman Empire was decisively defeated by the Holy League. Gabr-el 18:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

According to today's main page (October 7), the Ottoman Empire was decisively defeated at Lepanto 438 years ago, but actually that's wrong: it's now strongly believed, thanks to the studies of many historians, especially Fernand Braudel, that this battle was absolutely irrelevant; as a proof of this, in 1572 the Turkish navy defeated Venice ships. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

(end text from WP:ERRORS)

"Most important since Actium"[edit]

The description of the battle of Lepanto was changed from the very factual statement about it being the last major galley battle in history (something which is entire uncontroversial and highly significant) to a text about a comparison with the entirely unrelated battle of Actium, a statement which not merely fraught with complications and over-simplifications (and is also unreferenced).

Could we please change it back to themore concrete and uncomplicated suggestion I made on 19 September?

Peter Isotalo 06:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I was trying to avoid two consecutive blurbs using the phrase "decisively defeated". I also think the fact of it being the last battle between galleys isn't catchy enough. Replaced with another nugget from the intro ("protected the Italian peninsula from an Ottoman invasion"). howcheng {chat} 07:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
This was at best the immediate strategic result of Lepanto, a mere geographic detail with little or no meaning to most readers (and quite speculative). I disagree quite strongly that the reference to the galley isn't "catchy" enough. We're talking about the end of an era for a type of warship that had been around since the very invention of naval warfare in the Mediterranean. In this context, Lepanto is likely the most significant single event ever since it marked the end of the galley era, and did so with a bang. In terms of number of participants, it was one of the largest battles ever fought until that time, even if we include land battles. From a wider historical perspective, it's second in importance only in that it was the first decisive defeat of the Ottoman Empire by the Western European powers.
Either way, the "Italy was saved"-statement is very speculative and too focused on short-term strategy to be appropriate. It's a mere geographic detail in this context.
Peter Isotalo 07:41, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
The galley bit is interesting if you know ships, otherwise it's meaningless. Changed again to "the first major Ottoman loss to European powers". howcheng {chat} 15:53, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

2012 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 20:00, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

2013 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 07:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

2014 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 08:32, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

2015 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 08:11, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

2016 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 16:55, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

2017 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 02:50, 7 October 2017 (UTC)