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List of all prefecture-level divisions?

I was doing some reading about political divisions of the PRC, and was wondering, is there a list available of all prefecture-level divisions? All province-level divisions are listed on Political divisions of China, but I haven't found one with the prefecture-level divisions yet, and think one might be useful. Granted, a list of all would be rather long and arguably cumbersome, but it could be done similarly to List of counties of the United States, which is divided up by state (i.e., this one would be divided by province-level entity). Indeed, a lot of the legwork would already be done in this case, since we already have articles listing all prefecture-level divisions (along with county-level divisions) for each province. All we'd really need would be a short article, like the US-related one I've linked to, that provides a link to all the [[List of administrative divisions of NAME]], thus providing a centralised point from which one can find them all. Would this be a good way to go about it? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There's already a list of prefecture-level cities for each province and autonomous region. For example: List of administrative divisions of Anhui and List of administrative divisions of Guangxi. They are all linked from Political divisions of China. But there might be value in a list that only links to lists of prefecture-level divisions. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I see now that all the prefecture-level-by-province articles are listed at Political divisions of China; I had missed that before. OK, here's where I am now: I think List of prefecture-level divisions of China should go somewhere: either as an list itself, or as a redirect. Does this make sense? If so, I see at least three possibilities:
1. A completely new list, listing only the prefecture-level divisions. Cons: It duplicates material found on the articles. Pros: It provides all info on prefecture-level divisions only in one place.
2. A short article similar to List of counties of the United States, which just provides links to the [[List of administrative divisions of NAME]] lists. Pros: less duplication of information. Cons: doesn't provide a place if you only want to find prefecture-level info without county-level info.
3. A redirect to the section of Political divisions of China that provides the links to the [[List of administrative divisions of NAME]] articles. I don't like this solution as much because I don't think it's user-friendly; as someone looking for the prefecture-level divisions of China gets plopped down in the middle of an article in a section titled "provinces".
Any thoughts on this? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 16:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and started work on a complete list. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:Chinese chess players

This category name is highly confusing, since Chinese chess is the common English name for a different board game, and one would naturally expect it to be filled with players of Chinese chess. Any suggestions on renaming it? (talk) 07:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Well spotted, this needs to renamed. I suggest "Chess Players from China", "Chinese players of Western Chess" or similar. Poeloq (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_January_5#Category:Chinese_chess_players for discussion. (talk) 05:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Mongolian barbecue is Taiwanese, correct?

I looked at the Wikipedia article for Mongolian barbecue and it says it is Taiwanese.

I found some sources which apparently verify this, but I want to make sure. Are there any sources in Chinese that describe Mongolian barbecue as Taiwanese? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

According to this there are two types of Mongolian barbecue - the true and the Western definition. Would be interesting to follow this up. Poeloq (talk) 01:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the "Western" Mongolian barbecue is the one found in Taiwan. There are articles about actual barbecues from Mongolia. That is covered at Regional_variations_of_barbecue#Mongolian. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
But both varieties are found in China. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 02:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The issue is where they come from, though. The authentic variety may be found in "China" - but perhaps the only indigenous area within "China" is Inner Mongolia, correct? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I had a look on the Mongolian barbecue page. The sources saying that it's from Taiwan would ideally need to be backed up by a cite from someone familiar with Mongolian culture. Statements about so-and-so originating from here or there often tend to reflect a narrow cultural view. Anyway, Mongolian barbecue here looks nothing like that picture - I think we get the more "authentic" Mongol kind. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Look at the cite Poelok posted. The person refers to actual Mongolian barbecue as "whole animals roasted on fire" WhisperToMe (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I know, but I wonder how in tune with Mongolian culture is Erik Reinert given he is writing about globalisation - the possibility in my mind is that Reinert heard about the "true" Mongolian barbecue from a Mongolian friend (I don't see academic citations about these claims), but the "mock Mongolian barbecue" could be found in other parts of Mongolia. Mongolia, afterall, is a fairly big country with a multitude of clans. Of course, I agree that in all likelihood the stirfry-looking "barbecue" is not Mongolian at all. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 21:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Authentic Mongolian barbecue looks like this. Although using the animal's skin instead of the milk jug is even more traditional. Yaan (talk) 10:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Chinese Wikitravel launched

Apologies for the somewhat offtopic posting, but I can't think of a better place to find people fluent in English, Chinese and Mediawiki. So:

Wikitravel (disclaimer: not a Wikimedia project) has just launched its Chinese version, and I'd really appreciate it if somebody could take a look around and confirm that it's working the way it should. It's been in the works for ages, but finding a "go-between" to liaise between Chinese speakers and the admins has been a real headache. AFAIK, the interface looks broadly OK and the zh-cn/tw/sg/hk switching is working, but my Chinese is rudimentary and there may well be other problems that I'm unaware of. Jpatokal (talk) 08:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Cultural heritage list

The State Administration of Cultural Heritage of the People's Republic of China has a list of 2,351 cultural heritage relics. This list would be similar to a list of national historical sites and so forth in other countries, and should probably have an article here. You can read something about it in the People's Daily (English version); most sources are in Chinese. The list is on the Chinese WP at zh:全国重点文物保护单位; I'd like to bring it here but I'm not sure what it's called in English (the article doesn't name the list). Has anyone seen a reference to it in English? Rigadoun (talk) 18:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Chia Thye Poh in Mandarin?

What is Chia Thye Poh in Mandarin? WhisperToMe (talk) 11:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Nanjing, Four Great Inventions of ancient China

Someone keeps adding irrelevant information about the Nanking Massacre into the Nanjing article, and he's jumping from one IP to another to do it. The same person is also removing sourced passages from the Four Great Inventions of ancient China article and adding his own patriotic analysis. Please keep watch on those articles and others that he might be editing, thank you. _dk (talk) 11:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

irrelevant? are you a history ignorant? most people know about holocaust, how many of them know about nanjing massacre? it happened in nanjing in 1937! So adding that information in that article is very relevant! And four inventions in ancient china has nothing to do with foreigner, just because he may have mentioned it, it has nothing to do with him, he wasn't even born when those things were invented —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, at least 1.3 billion people know about the Nanking massacre. The massacre is very important to Nanjing, yes. But the information you added, like "Films and books about the Nanking massacre", is not important to Nanjing. And you're missing the point about the 4 great inventions of China, it's true that Needham wasn't even born when the four inventions were invented. But until Needham's Science and Civilisation in China series no one in China collected these four inventions and advertised them as the "Four Great Inventions of ancient China". The inventions, of course, did exist way before Needham, but the term "Four Great Inventions of ancient China" didn't. I hope you understand what I'm saying and stop labelling other people's reversions as vandalism. _dk (talk) 06:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Pinyin showing up in strange, Asian-style Latin font

Why is the pinyin now showing up so strangely, and can it be fixed? See Wu Man for an example. Badagnani (talk) 19:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem seems to have resolved itself. Badagnani (talk) 20:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


It seems about time to archive this page - I'm not sure how you guys normally handle that. Poeloq (talk) 07:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Aquarius • talk 20:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Chinese hercules

Are there any Herculean-type people with superhuman strength mentioned in Chinese history? I know each culture has their own superman. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 21:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Pan Gu, Kua Fu and more. I guess we could open a new task group on expanding the articles of these mythical creatures! Aquarius • talk 08:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
... and did anyone notice the Chinese space program template on the Kua Fu article? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I've removed it - should have been done a long time ago. John Smith's (talk) 11:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


I've suggested some guidelines for jiedushi nomenclature at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). Please provide input if you can. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 22:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


Does anybody know how the China maps were created? To be honest, I find them rather ugly. In my opinion, they could do with being updated to .svg, as they are very "pixely" in the current versions. Sorry to the original creator, it's just my personal opinion. Poeloq (talk) 05:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Which maps? Some are quite good, such as those made by User:Croquant. See Yushu Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture. Badagnani (talk) 06:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Ive been reconstructing the dynasty maps I made on top of the DEMIS maps like this one which I think is of higher quality of my original creation. Just informing everyone that i will be upgrading the maps with more details and quality. Pojanji (talk) 07:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Mongolian script - .svg images or unicode?

Hi, we over at the Mongolia Work Group thought it might be a good idea to replace most of the Mongol script in WP with .svg images of the script (or actually, I thought, one other contributer gave some indication of approval, noone objected). The reason is that as of now, there seems to be little support for Mongolian script on non-Vista computers, and so the script ends up badly distorted on many systems, or is not displayed at all. Since this would affect some places in the PRC, it would be nice to know beforehand if anybody thinks this is a bad idea, and why. Regards, Yaan (talk) 10:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Requesting input on the "History of Manchuria (Northeast China) and Russian Far East" template

Apparently, there has been a longstanding dispute on this matter and there were several referrals to the template page on a few articles on Northeast China.

The use of "Manchuria" has never been recorded in primary Qing-era historical documents and the use of this term in modern media has subsided considerably (if not completely) over the years, with "Northeast China" (a term dating back to the Qing Dynasty) taking precedence. If anyone can take a look at the developments on the template discussion page, please feel free to do so. Laoganma (talk) 00:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I am opposed to messing with it. The entire {{History of Manchuria}} template was created as a compromise, and messing with it will upset the compromise. It's not ideal, for sure, but I think it prevents more problems than it creates. --Nlu (talk) 05:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Luzon Empire

Can you help us here. It seems to say that there was a Chinese empire in the Philippines but some editors question the verifiability of the article. Perhaps you can help us in the Chinese sources that were provided in the article. Please drop by in our discussion here --Lenticel (talk) 22:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Translation needed

I am trying to improve upon the section of Zhou Tong (archer) that describes his fictional youth (as portrayed in a comic book). I was recently shown a Chinese page that does a much better job of summarizing his young life than what I currently have. Could someone please translate the following for me?



I know what it basically says, but I have a feeling that someone here could do a much better job of producing a smooth flowing English equivalent. It would help if the translator has a knowledge of martial arts terms. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 12:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, some people at Reference desk/language did it for me. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 11:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Wu Zetian

I've expanded Wu Zetian and requested a peer review of it. Any review by project members and further refining/expansion would be appreciated. --Nlu (talk) 11:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

It looks a bit odd with the table of contents on the right and that huge picture. I would prefer the usual Wikipedia layout.--Danaman5 (talk) 02:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

dubious material at Chinese mythology

User:ACHKC, who previously contributed deleted articles Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Understanding Heaven and Hell and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Feast of Immortal Peaches, is again contributing novel content to Chinese mythology. This is a diff comparing the outcome of the latest round of editing. However, there are some anon edits mixed in, so it may not be appropriate to revert all. Does anyone have the time to look through the changes and remove that which is idiosyncratic? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 08:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Chan Tai San

Should have put this up here earlier. Could you look a the surroundings discussions here and here--Nate1481(t/c) 18:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

1990 People's Republic of China airliner collision / Xiamen Airlines Flight 8301

Hello. I found out about the 1990 People's Republic of China airliner collision but I need help building the article since all I could find in English so far was a bunch of New York Times articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I found some pay articles about the disaster, but I cannot see all of them since they are for subscribers:,0EB341CEDAA63190.html - 37 FOREIGNERS AMONG 127 KILLED IN CRASH OF HIJACKED CHINESE JET $2.95 - Miami Herald - NewsBank - Oct 4, 1990

and,0EB341CEE9B4C67C.html CHINA 37 FOREIGNERS AMONG 127 KILLED IN CRASH $2.95 - Miami Herald - NewsBank - Oct 4, 1990

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

And another: "1. Deseret News, The (Salt Lake City, UT) - October 4, 1990

CHINA CLAMPS LID ON GIVING DETAILS OF PLANE DISASTER More than two days after China's worst air disaster in a decade, officials refused to release details about the injured and said families of the dead would receive maximum compensation of $4,250.Foreign diplomats criticized the secrecy about the crash, describing as highly irregular the fact that no details on 53 injured people had emerged by Thursday evening. Officials said 127 people were killed when a hijacked Boeing 737 exploded and crashed into two parked planes Tuesday at..." WhisperToMe (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


what is the criteria for placing articles in the Category:China versus Category:People's Republic of China or versusCategory:Republic of China or Category:Taiwan for that matter. The categories do not give provide this information. Hmains (talk) 01:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Article History of Xinjiang

Some sweeping changes have been suggested to the content of the History of Xinjiang. Please see Talk:History_of_Xinjiang#Sweeping_changes. An editor has proposed replacing it with the History of Xinjiang/Sandbox. You feedback would be appreciated. Mkdwtalk 10:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Debate over inclusion of Chinese names for articles about overseas Chinese

See Wikipedia talk:Manual_of_Style_(use_of_Chinese_language)#Relevance to articles. Badagnani (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Redundant POV sections on Debate on traditional and simplified Chinese characters

The sub-sections are really ridiculous:

Debate on traditional and simplified Chinese characters

Can somebody here merge them?   Zenwhat (talk) 22:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems okay. Badagnani (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It's full of OR. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 22:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyone fancy slotting in some characters next to chinese name of Amanita muscaria ?

Hi, in the name section I have ha-ma chün 'toad mushroom', which I thought would be great to get the chinese characters for. All help much appreciated. [[::User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[::User talk:Casliber|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Done -- Миборовский (talk) 00:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks much appreciated! [[::User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[::User talk:Casliber|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Aomen and {{WPCHINA}} tagging

Hi there

I've noticed Aomen (talk · contribs) mass-tagging many articles with the most tenuous links with China (Chinese culture, history, etc.). He's received numerous complaints already. Is he a member of your wikiproject? Do his actions have your support? I'm just wondering, because it seems strange that you guys want to take care of all these (IMHO non-China-related) articles he has tagged. If his actions are not supported by your wikiproject, I'm taking his actions to be vandalism. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 05:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

What are some examples? Badagnani (talk) 05:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Here's just a short list from his contribs: --Rifleman 82 (talk) 05:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  1. 11:30, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Actinidia laevissima‎ (Low)
  2. 11:30, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Actinidia chrysantha‎ (Low)
  3. 11:29, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Actinidia chinensis‎ (Low)
  4. 11:29, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acrorumohra hasseltii‎ (Low)
  5. 11:27, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer truncatum‎ (Low)
  6. 11:27, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer triflorum‎ (Low)
  7. 11:26, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer miaotaiense‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  8. 11:25, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer mandshuricum‎ (Low)
  9. 11:25, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer leipoense‎ (Low)
  10. 11:24, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer laevigatum‎ (Low)
  11. 11:09, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer griseum‎ (Low)
  12. 11:09, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer duplicatoserratum‎ (Low)
  13. 11:08, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Acer davidii‎ (Low)
  14. 11:06, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Trimeresurus stejnegeri‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  15. 11:06, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Trimeresurus medoensis‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  16. 11:05, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Trimeresurus mangshanensis‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  17. 11:03, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Trimeresurus jerdonii‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  18. 11:03, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Red-necked Pond Turtle‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  19. 11:02, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Rafetus swinhoei‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  20. 10:59, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Philippen's Striped Turtle‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  21. 10:58, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Pelochelys cantorii‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  22. 10:57, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ovophis monticola‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  23. 10:56, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Indotestudo elongata‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  24. 10:56, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Impressed Tortoise‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  25. 10:55, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Hemiphyllodactylus typus‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  26. 10:54, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Grass Snake‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  27. 10:54, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Gloydius blomhoffii‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  28. 10:53, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Fujian Pond Turtle‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  29. 10:52, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Elaphe bimaculata‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  30. 10:52, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Dice snake‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
  31. 10:51, 2 March 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Deinagkistrodon‎ (Low) (top) [rollback]
I usually add herbs used in TCM to WPCHINA, as well as animals that are Chinese in origin; I'm guessing this is what the editor is doing? Badagnani (talk) 05:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
For example, Rafetus swinhoei really is a Chinese animal. Badagnani (talk) 05:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I do accept that many of the article he adds {{WPCHINA}} to do have a link (however tenuous) to China. I just wanted to check if the articles he has added is in the scope of your project, because he *has* received numerous complaints; he does not reply to any of them; this appears to be a single-purpose account (solely for tagging articles).--Rifleman 82 (talk) 06:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
How strange. These are very obscure species and I don't know most of them, but I guess at least some of them are of relevance to WPCHINA. It would be much better if the editor would discuss. Badagnani (talk) 06:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree. Is he part of your wikiproject? If he is, maybe you can talk to him, because he does not respond to anybody else's complaints.
I personally suspect this is an unapproved bot account considering (1) his profligate edits, seemingly without judgment, (2) the speed of his edits, and (3) his failure to respond to *any* comments at his talk page. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 06:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
How interesting. I think you should get to the bottom of it. S/he is not listed among our participants, although I've noted his/her edits in the past. Aomen is the Chinese name for Macau. Badagnani (talk) 06:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the translation; that part I already figured out, being a native speaker. I'll leave a final request to respond to the many comments at his talk page. If he doesn't respond, I'll block the account as an unapproved bot account. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 06:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I've been following Aomen for a while too. The nature and speed of his edits make me suspect a bot account as well. I guess we'll have to block him, but I must say, he has gotten a lot of articles tagged for WPCHINA. (Although some of his tags are improper, he tags a lot of fitting articles as well)--Danaman5 (talk) 06:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
He's been given more than fair warning. [1]. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 07:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I was the only one who wasn't negative to this guy on his talk page Lol, and to be honest if I did what he is doing just tagging like that I would've become suicidal long ago.

My explanation is that he is tagging WPCHINA to those within a China-related category. So for example, from the above list:

Actually, can anyone explain what should be tagged WPCHINA? Could also technically everything under Category:China be tagged. Because maybe this is what this guy is doing.

Also, another thought related to this idea is that I don't think it's a bot otherwise why not leave it on permanently and complete the job in a few days. Paul Gard (talk) 22:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

If that is indeed the case, then I think his contribs should be encouraged. Looking at his edits they seem pretty non-objectionable (IMHO tagging species endemic to China should be within our scope). Why don't we let him do his thing, and we can probably deal with most complaints that people might have on the few miscategorized pages, on a case by case basis. -- Миборовский (talk) 02:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yangzhou dialect

Is there an article or section of an article that briefly describes the brand of dialect commonly used in Yangzhou? The reason I ask is because I came across a source that describes the method used in Yangzhou storytelling that relates to the article Zhou Tong (archer). --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Update. I think I may have found what I was looking for. Here is the paragraph that I will be adding to the article. Please keep in mind that alot of the terminology, like "square mouth" is already defined in a previous paragraph. Tell me what you think ...

In her studies of Yangzhou storytelling, folkore researcher Vibeke Børdahl noted that a tale about Zhou and his student Wu Song used different forms of dialogue for both characters. Wu Song speaks in square mouth fashion and uses the standard mandarin of northern China, but without short rusheng sylables. Zhou also speaks in squaremouth, but uses the Yangzhou tone system of southern China and rusheng. Therefore, she believes “square mouth dialogue should at least be divided into two subcategories, namely the Wu Song variant—without rusheng, and the Zhou Tong variant—with rusheng.”

It sounds a bit choppy. Maybe someone can help me smooth it out. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Old culture time changes

A new user named "Emoworld" changed the dates to a number of the ancient cultures. I went down his contribution list and reverted his changes. If this person really is making meaningful changes, I suggest someone from WPCHINA ask him where he is getting these new info. Some dates were changed by as much as 1000 years. Benjwong (talk) 05:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Large-scale, undiscussed revisions regarding China's territory

Please see for a list of large-scale, undiscussed revisions related to China's territory and administration thereof. This needs examination. Badagnani (talk) 19:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Revert the Stub renaming

I'm going to reopen the renaming proposal as there is one unpopular, not well discussed one. Feel feel to discuss in this Matthew_hk tc 14:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)