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Hello all. --Striver 21:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Sai Baba

Hi: Recently Sai Baba of Shirdi was put under aegis of WikiProject Islam/Muslim scholars. If somebody is suggesting that Sai Baba of Shirdi was a Muslim Scholar, may I get some idea of how this term is meant? He was a Sufi Mystic with Hindu Mystic leanings, or vice versa. I don't believe anybody anywhere considers him a Muslim Scholar. Or are YOU guys the Muslim Scholars???? Thanks for the clarification. --Nemonoman 04:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Did you notice that the tag included "note:the project includes non-Muslim scholars."? --Striver 13:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How do you join

Do you jsut put your name down? Miraculousrandomness 08:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Project scope?

Would Category:Muslim scholars or Category:Islamic scholars be more appropriate to use as the "scope" category of this group? John Carter 15:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Muslim scholar

Shouldn't the Death section be an optional parameter? Some articles deal with living Muslim scholars. Thanks, --Kimse (talk) 02:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Taqi al-Din al-Nabhani

Brothers the article about this Islamic legend is incomplete and needs an expert. There are contrary statements in the article and some information is merely fabricated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syed Hassan Raza Shah (talk • contribs) 10:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Syed Hassan Raza Shah 10:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syed Hassan Raza Shah (talk • contribs)

Nana Asmau and Usman dan Fodio

Hi. I'm not very skilled with wikipedia editing yet, but I thought I'd let you all know, in case you didn't, that the articles on Usman dan Fodio and Nana Asma’u are close to being in decent shape. Nana Asma'u isn't up to "Good" standard yet, but it's fully referenced and the language is clear. Usman dan Fodio needs a general clean-up of language, but has solid references and most of the facts in place. Pamela McVay (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Pamela McVay[reply]

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Articles flagged for cleanup

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Muslim scientists

I just came across a complaint that Ibn al-Haytham was labeled a "Muslim polymath" in the first line of his bio, but that Galileo is not labeled a "Christian polymath", or Einstein a "Jewish physicist". In the world of science, few people consider your religion to be relevant.

Later in the article, it said that Ibn al-Haytham studied "Islamic physics". That makes it sound like he didn't study real physics, but something hokey along the lines of Creation Science. I deleted these wordings, but retained the links.

I certainly understand that we'd have articles on the physics, astronomy, and mathematics of the Golden Age of Islam, and I have no problem giving a scientist's religion in his bio, but I do think we need to be careful not to give the impression with the first words of an article that someone is not a real scientist, but just some sort of subspecies, who wouldn't otherwise be notable.

Would the bio of a living scientist who happens to be Muslim be tagged with this template? My understanding from looking this over is that he would not, which means that a "Muslim scientist" is not a scientist who is Muslim, a rather bizarre way of communicating things.

What about changing the header of this template from "Muslim scientist" to "Science in Islamic civilization" or some such? I also think that we should move all the "Islamic science" articles to something similar, along the lines of Science in the Middle Ages.

Compare Jewish Science, or better yet, Jewish Physics for the kinds of connotations you get when labeling someone's professional career or life's work by his race or religion. kwami (talk) 01:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that similar proposals have been made before, and that no-one objected, but that they were never implemented, so I've started moving them. Sorry, I've made a bit of a mess of things. "X in the Golden Age of Islam" is the best wording I can think of. kwami (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't want "in Islamic civilization", as that would imply that Islamdom is no longer civilized. I moved to "in the Golden Age of Islam", but then realized that is not as neutral as it should be either. It could either be seen as POV pushing how wonderful Islam is, or a POV statement that Islam is past its prime. Either way, I think "in medieval Islam" would be best. kwami (talk) 01:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need someone to do something very basic

I'm OK with writing and referencing but these work groups totally confuse me.

Will someone please add tags and/or assessment to:

Zain Bhikha - when I found the page, some of it looked like plagiarism from his website or some other place, although I tried to add a little and can't prove it.

Yusuf Islam - was a GA article once but now is a mess.

Both musicians above need a freee photo for the infoboxes. --leahtwosaints (talk) 00:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Muhammad Iqbal FAR

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Syed Ahmed Khan

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help requested

Hello,

I've been adding the original Arabic to the names of stars. There are a pair of stars in Ursa Minor, Anwar al Farkadain and Alifa al Farkadain, which are supposed to mean "the brighter" and "the dimmer" of the two calves. I've been able to find what I hope is a sensible Arabic equivalent for the former (أنور الفرقدين), but I'm stumped with the latter: the only thing I can find that sounds like alifa is عليفه. Can anyone help?

Thanks, kwami (talk) 01:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Works by Muslim Scholars

Actually I came here directly from reading the Wikipedia article about al-Bukhari (THE al-Bukhari - I forget his full name). It is not a bad article - but it does not satisfy me. Here are two points I think impacted upon me.

(1) Style of biographical writing. There is a traditional Islamic (at least in Arabophone Islam) way to present biography and there is a very different western style. As nearly as I can tell, modern Muslim biography of modern Muslim thinkers is not noticeably different than the western style. But when it comes to classical thinkers (like al-Bukhari) modern Muslims revert back to the the classical Mulsim style.

Part of the problem is that we really don't know a great deal about these men and, on the assumption that an important person should have a large biography, we are given long accounts of their piety and excellence and how other people admired them. There is nothing, a priori, wrong about this - but it isn't the way things are usually done. I may go back to al-Bukhari and edit the entry to conform with my ideas.

(2) Works. I see no reason for listing lost works (unless they play a significant part in the biography) - there is always the possibility that they never existed (and are listed because some later scholar imagined that they must exist). Works that have survived need to carefully examined to insure that different titles do not refer to the same work. In al-Bukhari's case his book on narrators seems to have been extracted and abridged by later scholars and now appears a half dozen times under different names. Not to mention the fact that the big book itself is NOT by al-Bukhari (his students put it together).

And, of course, each work mention should be completed by a respectable bibliographic reference - not all of them, one will suffice.

Most of the other difficulties are standard Wikipedia difficulties and I need not mention them.

DKleinecke (talk) 22:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Farhad Daftary

Created by an SPA, this article is so short that no editors have patrolled it as acceptable. I feel there may be grounds for notability of this 10-word stub that consists only of a list of publications. Perhaps the Islam/Muslim scholars task force could improve this stub. --Kudpung (talk) 06:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Kindi

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Rumi from a neutral point of view

Hello, I have a recommendation about the article Rumi.

Please read all the information, I wrote on Talk, and tell whether you agree or disagree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#Let.27s_Remove_POV_with_a_Neutral_Point_of_View

You know the ethnicity of Rumi is unknown and debated. I hope you contribute to this matter. Alternatively, from a neutral point of view, I recommend to change the (POV) sentence to a (NPOV) sentence:

"a 13th-century Persian Muslim poet, jurist, theologian, and Sufi mystic."

to "a 13th-century Muslim poet, jurist, theologian, and Sufi mystic of Persian literature. 81.213.117.125 (talk) 21:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Templates up for deletion

Of the series of templates {{Mu'tazilite-Class}} {{Ahmadiyya-Class}} {{Salafi-Class}} {{Shi'a-Class}} {{Sunni-Class}} {{NOI-Class}} ;

{{Sunni-Class}} {{NOI-Class}} have been nominated for deletion

-- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 04:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting issues with the Muslim scholars template

Some attention is requested at Template talk:Infobox Muslim scholar. I attempted to implement some changes to the infobox and I fear that I have made some sort of a formatting error. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maliki Scholars

Hello, I've been working for the last several weeks on Muslim scholars of the Maliki school, which is my area of expertise. Please feel free to help, particularly with technical help. You'll notice I've also made a new template to organise all the scholars of the school. Thanks. Jaw101ie (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Ahmad Musa Jibril

Would someone more knowledgeable than me about what qualifies as "scholarship" decide on whether Ahmad Musa Jibril should be added to this category. I will remove the tag that I added from the talk page for now. Feel free to put it back if this project deems it appropriate. Thank you.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 13:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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