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Trionyx aquitanicus

Trionyx aquitanicus has been added as a species of Trionyx. That isn't a modern name but I was looking to find out what it refers to now. In the Paleobiology Database it is listed as 'Trionyx aquitanicus was named by Delfortrie (1869). It is extant.'

Maybe this paper could help us? Delfortrie, E. 1869. Les chéloniens du Miocène supérieur de la Gironde. Actes Soc. Linnéenne Bordeaux 27:399-440. from Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 22:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Per this entry in the British Museum records it is a partial fossil form the Miocene of France. "Trionyx+aquitanicus"&source=bl&ots=Pd1AXjSZ1y&sig=KBxsrxTUfqhNM8YGUuybl-W-mps&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VMQpUPftCaeoiAK2voDwCg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Fossil%20%22Trionyx%20aquitanicus%22&f=false The PBDB can be spotty at best on areas where there is no active researchers.--Kevmin § 03:34, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Kevmini, the PBDB maybe out of date (my experience) but as they said 'It is extant' I can't help wondering that it referees to some extant turtle. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 07:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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Nomenclatural Opinion affecting 2 species.

The ICZN recently handed down its opinions on two cases relevant to us. BZN Opinion 2315 is relevant to the Northern snake-necked turtle in particular but also to the Narrow-breasted snake-necked turtle. The decision was to reject the reversal of names and to maintain priority. This means that the name for the Northern snake-necked turtle is Chelodina (Macrochelodina) oblonga instead of Chelodina (Macrochelodina) rugosa as we have it. It must be said that this may not be popular and that there may be further submissions on this. However, in the interrim the official name for the species is established. The name for the Narrow-breasted snake-necked turtle is confirmed as Chelodina (Macrodiremys) colliei by this decision, which is what we have. We need to decide how we wish to name these species.
The other case is BZN Opinion 2316 which is relevant to the species Aldabra giant tortoise the name has been conserved as Aldabrachelys gigantea which is what we are currently using. This opinion can be cited for those who wish to use one of the alternatives available. Aldabrachelys gigantea is now the official name of this species.
Faendalimas talk 20:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Mud turtle problems

See my comment at Talk:Eastern mud turtle. Unless someone provides a better solution, I'll request the page merge within reasonable time. RN1970 (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Merge proposal initaited. RN1970 (talk) 15:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Aldabran Tortoise Pages

Please see discussion at Talk:Aldabra_giant_tortoise#Proposed_Merge I have also tagged the Dipsochelys page. Faendalimas talk 02:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Image error?

There's a photo image in the "Northern red-bellied cooter" article of an Eastern painted turtle, identified correctly as such by its caption, which enlarges into a page erroneously titled "Northern red-bellied cooter". Considering nowhere in the article on the Northern red-bellied cooter is the Eastern painted turtle even mentioned, the insertion of its image would seem to be a mistake. Thanks ----- Janice Byer, Delaware, USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janbyer (talkcontribs) 04:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC) P.S. On the article page, I've amended he image caption to clarify it's not the species featured but a related one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janbyer (talkcontribs) 04:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


I didn't think I would have to bring this up again (I've already been in a couple edit wars over this), but in many varieties of English and for many speakers, tortoises and turtles can be considered mutually distinct families of chelonian—tortoises are land-dwelling, whereas turtles are sea-dwelling. I've seen some edits made by members of WPT arguing that turtles are a superset of tortoises, which is how the matter is considered in at least American English, but not in many other dialects. See this section for additional information.  — TORTOISEWRATH 18:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

What exactly is the point and issue here please. All tortoises are turtles, that's what they are, tortoise refers to members of the Testudinidae. In any case the link you provided shows that this is still very innacurate when its applied for vernacular names. For example Australia has one species of semiaquatic turtle, all the rest are aquatic, many completely. Cheers, Faendalimas talk 07:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Funnily enough, I just made a related point at In fact, in common UK usage (don't know about scientific usage), all tortoises definitely are not turtles. In common UK usage, turtles live in the sea (or sometimes rivers) and tortoises live on land. (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately you are looking at this from the point of view of vernacular names, these are innacurate, and varied in their usage, even within countries. There can be no concensus on this as there are so many meanings of the terms. However, the correct names, and the scientific ones, have their placement and need to have priority. This is because they at least have a foundation in descriptive facts about these animals. People keep bringing up common names without any knowledge of how they refer across scientific names. If you are going to take the time to gather information about common names, at least spend the time to learn the scientific names. Also what the term Family means in Zoology. Cheers Faendalimas talk 12:42, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I did not need to "take time to gather information" because this is common usage and common knoweldge in the UK. Anyone in the UK will tell you the same: tortoises live on land and turtles live in the water. I have no problem with articles using scientific terminology in the main, but common names, and their regional differences, must be correctly explained also. The Turtle article has such a section, which is good, but the information that it gives is incorrect as regards the UK, which is not good. (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


The usage of Tortoiseshell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:tortoiseshell material -- (talk) 02:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Photo of extinct tortoise?

Korean Expo2012 tortoise

The photo here is labelled as an extinct species on Commons, but not which. Judging on the letters in the background, it seems to be from the Galapagos islands. Anyone know what it is? FunkMonk (talk) 18:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be Galápagos tortoise. Some of the Subspecies of Galápagos tortoise are extinct. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 21:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Yeah. Any indication of which subspecies it could be? FunkMonk (talk) 22:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Important Request

I have started a discussion ar Talk:Narrow-breasted_snake-necked_turtle#Name_Change_and_Move that I would appreciate discussion on. WP could actually have a lead role and assist with this. Faendalimas talk 10:52, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

how many soft shelled turtles are left in the world?

how many soft shelled turtles are left in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

A butterfly feeding on the tears of a turtle in Ecuador

Original – Two Julia Butterflies (Dryas iulia) drinking the tears of turtles in Ecuador

I've nominated A butterfly feeding on the tears of a turtle in Ecuador for Featured Picture consideration.

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