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- 29 Clarification request on Racism in Italy
- 30 Hagia Sophia
- 31 G7 and G8 in main presentation of Italy article
- 32 Disambiguation link notification for November 1
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North Cyprus Page - Edit Request - Kulaksiz 5 Case Section & Economy Section
Dear Alessandro 57,
Thank you for your recent comments on my Edit Request for North Cyprus page. It seems clear that the text that I recommended needs to by shortened, as it is 'over weight'.
I am more than happy to shorten it, but I am having some problem in doing so, as I am not sure what my "target" number of words or size of text is.
I have inserted the word file which includes both my original text, and then my 'references and consensus' additional request. Please do not think I am 'work-shy', I'm definitely not. However, I thought you may want to take a look, as perhaps condensing comes much easier to you, on the basis the Wiki language of every day country pages still isn't fixed in my mind.
Should you have any ideas or suggestions on condensing, or should you wish to have a go at cropping it, I would be grateful. It may save a lot of toing and froing as well.
I appreciate any time you can spare on the matter.
Link in UNESCO
Why did you remove the edition that I created in UNESCO page?
Please, don't misunderstand my question, I only want to know the reasons and learn about it.
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Hi Alessandro. It is better to stay away when we don't have an idea what we are doing. Kumkapı is not a neighbourhood, it is a quarter. Neighbourhoods in Turkey have muhtars, Kumkapı has not any muhtar. Have a nice day.--Rapsar (talk) 10:44, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits to Enrico Fermi, which I am hoping to bring to FAC like Robert Oppenheimer and James B. Conant. Your corrections to my spelling are much appreciated. Would you be able to explain for my edification, how the Italian university system worked? In English speaking countries we obtain an undergraduate degree and then enter a graduate school where I obtained my doctorate. I cannot see such a break in continuity with Fermi, so the system there must be different? Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- I do have one more question. In English speaking countries, it is the PhD that opens access to teaching at the university level (whereas in Germany, a bit more was required). What was the Italian equivalent of this? Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Alessandro. I noted your comments on Favonian's page. I have also had a run in with the editor you mentioned and have reverted his addition of photos on Photographer and received a torrent of abuse for my pains. He has now added his photos and replaced other peoples on a host of other pages. It appears to be pure promotional posting to me. Regards Velella Velella Talk 21:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually this was discussed a while ago, maybe around a year ago, and the correct sort is by the church name without abbreviations and special characters. The location name is the last part of the sort and not the first. This allows buildings to be sorted by the actual name and not the random city. If you need a different sort for a specific category, that can be added as needed. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:11, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- Actually sorting 'Church of St. Mary Draperis, Istanbul' under C is correct since that is the name. If you want to drop the church part for the sort, if should be sorted as 'Saint Mary...' and not M since that is how these should be sorted. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:21, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- No. If you sort as you say, under the category Churches in Istanbul you will see all the churches either under "C" (churches) or under "S" (Saint). DEFAULSORT is needed by categories, and categories are needed to search articles. If we do as you says, ordered categories become useless. Alex2006 (talk) 07:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Yesterday Cavann agreed to keep out economic predictions out of the lead of Istanbul, but he is insisting that they be kept in the lead of Turkey, even though some of them go out to 2060! I've opened a thread here , feel free to weigh in. Regards, Athenean (talk) 06:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
We have noticed that you have deleted our links on such pages such as Demre, Alanya, Kızıl Kule etc. as spam. We have put these links to our website in order to give Wikipedians additional and more thourough information about various themes concerning Antalya and the outlying regions. As you will see our website is not a commercial entity, but a reference site that includes many aspects of Antalya. Regards, Antalyatanitim (talk) 13:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
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Hello, I'm aware of the linguistic and climatic divisions in Switzerland and I basically agree with you. The thing is that the article only says north, south etc... in general without referring to the Alps at all, hence my edit which was also aiming to simplify the rather awkward description (I also remember seeing an ad saying Saas Fee was among the southernmost Swiss towns by the way). Naturally we could describe the linguistic divisions in relation with the Alps but we can't just say "north" and "south", we have to say "north of the Alps" and "south of the Alps" or somethink similar, otherwise it just will look odd to the reader (as you said). Now you are free to edit as you want (per WP:BRD I won't touch it anymore for now) but I do think the previous version wasn't accurate nor clear enough. mgeo talk 16:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think BRD means you have the right to revert to the previous (stable) version untill the dispute is resolved. Anyway I'm glad you agree with me (also glad to have feedbacks when I edit, even when there are people disagreeing with me, so I don't feel too lonely on wikipedia..). Cheers. mgeo talk 17:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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DYK for San Gregorio della Divina Pietà
|On 31 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article San Gregorio della Divina Pietà, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that each Sunday until 1870 the Jews of the Roman Ghetto had to attend compulsory sermons in front of the church of San Gregorio della Divina Pietà? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/San Gregorio della Divina Pietà. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.|
Actually, it was the word "lied" that caught my eye. There are two words "lie" in English, one regular, and one not. The regular one, which you used, means "not to tell the truth". I thought you were saying that either the Jews or the priests were lying. I didn't figure out that you meant the other word "lie" until I read it closer. The other question was whether "memoriali" was the name of the post. Get well soon, and take care. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 05:25, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Some baklava for you!
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DYK for 25 Luglio
|On 25 July 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 25 Luglio, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that on 25 July 1943, the Gran Consiglio del Fascismo asked the king to reassume power, provoking the fall of Italian Fascism and the arrest of Mussolini? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/25 Luglio. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.|
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Roman unification of Italy
Hi, I have edit the page "Italy" adding Roman unification not because I am a fascist (fortunately I am not) but because I thought that it could be a right thing. I have seen that in the page "Egypt" it talked about the unification of Egypt done by pharaohs and they have inserted it in the same part where I wrote about the Roman unification of Italy. I know that Italy and Roman Italy are completely different, but I think that also modern Egypt and Ancient Egypt are different. I don't know why we shouldn't insert the Roman unification. Excuse me for my horrible English. -- Nick.mon (talk) 08:56, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
- Ok thank you for your answers you have been clear and I agree with you 1300 years are too may to say that Roman Italy and Italian Republic are linked. I will not modified more until have discussed about it in the talk page. Thank you and ciao!! -- Nick.mon (talk) 9:20, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Please don't make edits such as this which amount to falsification of ITN criteria. Given your political statements, further edits like this will be looked on poorly if reported to WP:ANI. μηδείς (talk) 18:44, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
- Hallo Medeis,
I just read your message on mytalk page, and I am puzzled: what's the problem with my edit? And which are my "political statements"? Thanks a lot an advance for explaining it, Alex2006 (talk) 11:48, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
- I just read the requirements for updating an article in the news, and I start to understand...one sentence is not enough. Sorry, it is the first time that I propose a blurb in the news, my sincere apologies. Now it remains only to understand which are my "political statements"... Alex2006 (talk) 12:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
C'e' scritto nationality: Italian, American. Perche' quindi cambi quello che correggo?
I can't find it.
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Clarification request on Racism in Italy
Why do you prefer to stick with December 25th from Janin(1953) in the lead paragraph? When Mango and Scott make an explicit note on pg 316 of their translation of The Chronicle of Theophenes Confessor: Byzantine and Near Eastern History AD 284-813" Clarendon Press, Oxford 1997: (AM 6030, AD 537/8) "2. Theophanes' precise date should be accepted....". Surely, Mango and Scott (1997) were just as aware of Janin (1953) and respectful of his opinions, and wanted to get the date right as a matter of historical accuracy based upon the written record? You yourself must have good reason to supersede Mango and Scott (1997). I just don't know what they are and how they pertain to the rules of wikipedia. So please explain. Thanks. Neubauer95476 (talk) 18:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Alex. I appreciate you looking into this, you'll save me a trip to the library to thumb though Janin again. Just to give you a heads up. There is also a good study of the etymology of the naming of the Hagia Sophia in this article by Granville Downey "The Name of the Church St. Sophia in Constantinople" Dumbarton Oaks Washington DC Harvard Theological Review, January 1959, Vol 52 Issue 01. "Logos" does not appear with the name apparently until about 813 and 916 in Theophones Continuatis. Procopious in both "Buildings" and "Wars" writing between the first and second dedications refers to The Great Church simply as "Sophia" without any modifiers. Neubauer95476 (talk) 06:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
So Alex, you are so right that I don't understand the Wikipedia rules :-(. But I am willing to learn. I do understand that you are the godfather of the Hagia Sophia page, and have an opinion regarding Janin. As a researcher, I am trained to look between the lines, and surely Mango and Scott were addressing an old issue when they added the note about the date in question. I gather from this that Janin probably argued the case for Justinian wanting Christmas Day, while the surviving fragment used in Theophenes and Malalas has a written date, and Mango and Scott emphasize the written over the conjecture. So my question for you is: why are you personally taking sides? Certainly Mango and Scott's remarks should be in the lead paragraph regarding the written record, while Janin's conjecture can be added in a section regarding a critical analysis? But then again, you are the godfather :-) Neubauer95476 (talk) 19:33, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
G7 and G8 in main presentation of Italy article
The presentation of Italy is ADEQUATE ,anyway G7 and G8 must be set like for all othe states in the presentation article at the beginning when are listed the institutions of which is member the state.There are the Symbols of Italy and the image of the Flag and of the Italian President.The ranking and the prestige of these MUST for honesty and correct behaviour be respected like in other states articles.Non si possono postare i Simboli del paese senza associarne un'adeguata e COMPLETA presentazione.Questo viene rispettato per altri stati come ad esempio United Kingdom e quindi questo va rispettato anche per l'Italia.Grazie-Thanks)Glc72 (talk) 11:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
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Zeyrek Mosque: Difference between revisions
Hello Alessandro57, and thanks for your input. The link Conquest of Constantinople leads to Fall of Constantinople and is used in daily Turkish language. Thanks, Yozer1 (talk) 15:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Italian Empire Map
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You are not worth me spending my time on. If you can't even understand what I am saying - and calling it vandalism to boot - then I am wasting my time. When I find the time I'll take it to the talk page and elsewhwere where necessary. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 07:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I made an edit as is the nature of the WP, you reverted my edit and suggested I discuss it "if [I] don't like it". It is not a matter of liking - it is a question of logic, pure and simple. If there really are seven hills (at least 230 cities in the world claim to be built on seven hills), they they have been there for billions of years, it has nothing to do with them wanting to copy Rome.