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New messages, questions, comments: Put at very bottom of page, see text of this section[edit]

Please put new messages at the very bottom of the page. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 08:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC) To clarify, the new item should not be below this message and not below the repeated message after my introductory paragraphs but at the very bottom of the page after every other item on the page. It will help me to understand what you are talking about to add a section heading, identify the article you are concerned with (if your question or comment refers to a specific article), using a link, probably putting the article title in the heading, and sign your edit with four tildes (~~~~) so I know to whom to reply. Keep an eye on this page because I may just reply here if the answer is simple and does not seem to be time sensitive. When I notice an out of order question or comment, I will move it to the bottom of the page and provide a heading if there is none already. Donner60 (talk) 22:32, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies, guidelines; twitter, facebook; what Wikipedia is not; avoiding common mistakes[edit]

References to Wikipedia policies, guidelines, instructions, include:
Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Wikipedia guidelines on twitter, facebook: Wikipedia:Twitter. Wikipedia guidelines, policies on external links: Wikipedia:External links. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, which includes not a dictionary, a publisher of original thought, a soapbox or means of promotion, a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files, a blog, Web hosting service, social networking service, or memorial site, a directory, a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal, a crystal ball, a newspaper, or an indiscriminate collection of information. • Wikipedia:Verifiability. • Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. • Wikipedia:No original research. • Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. • Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. • Wikipedia:Citing sources. • Wikipedia:Notability. • Wikipedia:Image use policy. • Wikipedia:Avoiding common mistakes. • Wikipedia:Vandalism. • Wikipedia:Categorization#Articles. • Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles.

User Talk page guidelines[edit]

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  • Personal talk page cleanup: On your own user talk page, you may archive threads at your discretion. Simply deleting others' comments on your talk page is permitted, but most editors prefer archiving.

From the section Editing comments, Other's comments in Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines:

  • Fixing format errors that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes only and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include fixing indentation levels, removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC), fixing list markup, using <nowiki> and other technical markup to fix code samples, and providing wikilinks if it helps in better navigation.
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Note that it is proper to use <nowiki> and other technical markup to fix code samples.


Please put messages, questions or comments at the very bottom of the page. If you put them here (immediately before or after this paragraph), as some people have done, I may either not see them or more likely not see them very promptly. That will delay any reply from me to you. To clarify, this should not be below this message but at the very bottom of the page after every other item on the page. It will help me to understand what you are talking about to add a section heading, identify the article you are concerned with, and use a link, (if your question or comment refers to a specific article), probably putting the article name in the heading, and sign your edit with four tildes (~~~~) so I know to whom to reply. Keep an eye on this page because I may just reply here if the answer is simple and does not seem to be time sensitive. When I notice an out of order question or comment, I will move it to the bottom of the page and provide a heading if there is none already. Donner60 (talk) 22:32, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link and bracket bot notifications[edit]

I occasionally get one of these notices. I fix the link or bracket, then delete the message, as the messages state is permissible, instead of further cluttering up these pages. Donner60 (talk) 05:13, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Senusret I[edit]

No need to worry about that article for now, because User:Favonian has semi-protected it, but yes, that was Ararat arev. His behavior lately has been to insert "Osiris-Orion son of Ra", or something similar, into articles, often forcing them clumsily into a sentence. It's a small part of his convoluted belief system, which puts Armenia at the center of everything. If you see those words, or similar ones, being inserted, don't hesitate to revert. When there's legitimate reason to explain the relationships in Egyptian religion between Osiris, Orion, and Ra, it should be done much more clearly, not in the cryptic and misleading way Ararat arev does it. A. Parrot (talk) 20:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 22:44, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


Hi I'm sure your highly noteable for something but unfortunatley they didnt provide suitable references so it failed to meet WP:GNG ;). Amortias (T)(C) 03:13, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I am not sure about the first but must say that you are correct about failing to meet WP:GNG. Donner60 (talk) 03:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Not a Mistake[edit]

Unexplained content removal LaSalle, Illinois. There was an edit summary, I believe. Perhaps it was inadequate? I have since looked at edit summary and will be more concise in the future. Please tell me what you would like me to do, so that we may improve this article. --Etemtenem (talk) 18:21, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I left this message on your talk page: I have deleted the above message in the manner prescribed by the guidelines (strike through) because I made a mistake in reverting the edit and leaving the message. I have rolled back my reversion to your latest version. After a few days, I only can say that I must not have focused on the edit summary. If I had, I would have looked further into the article which was where your rewrite was placed. I am very sorry for the mistake and hope this will not discourage you from editing Wikipedia. Donner60 (talk) 22:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015: Való Világ[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Donner60. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions —the one you made with this edit to Való Világ— because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 22:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, not sure why you undid my changes. What I wrote is true, anyone can check it by visiting the official website of the show. I update this wiki article regularly, I was surprised this contribution was reverted. Rhymane (talk) 11:29, 9 February 2015 (GMT+1)
I left this message on your talk page: I am deleting the above message in the manner prescribed by the guidelines (strike through). Your message indicates to me that I did not understand your edit. You have stated that you regularly update this article so I will assume you are keeping it up in good faith. I must say that the edit did not appear to cover a likely event but I will defer to someone who regularly keeps up the article. Admittedly, I am not familiar with the show. I could only judge this on the words included. I could not check this further because the web site is not in English (Hungarian). Again, I will defer to your familiarity and suggest you go ahead with any edits which update the article. I am sorry for any inconvenience. Donner60 (talk) 11:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
No worries Donner. It's good to know that people monitor the changes to prevent abuse. Have a nice day. Rhymane (talk) 10:06pm, 9 February 2015 (GMT+1) — Preceding undated comment added 21:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

In-line skating edit[edit]

(donenr60 sorry I couldnt find a way to message you another way so let me tell you something and that is im sorry for the inline skating edit i was just joking around and im sorry im editing this right now plz forgive my bad behavior:)) Kennethplaysmc

Left reply and welcome template on user's talk page. Donner60 (talk) 02:56, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Sun News Network[edit]

Hi, I revised my comment on Sun Media that you removed. The Sun is a strongly conservative leaning news organization, and with a dwindling viewership with that mindset, they are no longer able to remain on air. Hope this is where it is supposed to reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djenning (talkcontribs) 03:34, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Citing sources. Thank you. Donner60 (talk) 04:20, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Guy Fieri[edit]

Is this not reputable evidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

No. It seems to be a prank page. Also, none of the other sources give this information. Finally, such a Facebook page is not considered a reliable source for such information. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources that are usually not reliable. Donner60 (talk) 03:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


I would greatfully apreciate if you change it back for 5 minutes so I can screenshot it then I will be done. Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newkifs (talkcontribs) 03:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC) 
No, I can't put up information that I know is wrong, even for a few minutes. Donner60 (talk) 03:55, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


Hey, Donner60. I noticed that, you removed most of the writing I did (I believe its reverting), an am just wondering if it wasn't constructive enough. There must have been something wrong with it, so I am asking for your advice on how I can improve it next time. Thanks for reading this! Nyse Vicente

I should have explained this better. I will leave a message on your user talk page. Donner60 (talk) 18:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Joseph B. Soloveitchik[edit]

My edit wasn't a test. I was actually about to put up the citation. (talk) 23:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

OK. I deleted the message on your talk page and suggested you add the reference when you restore the edit. Sorry for any inconvenience. Donner60 (talk) 23:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


Hello. I do not understand why you find my contribution 'non-constructive' and reverted all of it back. I significantly expanded on the pyrolysis of car tires using several sources. The last edits were a bit repetitive because I was trying to tighten up my language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:11, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I was concerned about the non-English characters in the edit. I am not sure why these would be needed in the English Wikipedia. I should have explained that instead of using a template. Donner60 (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Non-English Characters? One of the academic sources I cited is in Thai and I translated to English. However, the rest of my sources are in English and so are my writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I have deleted my original message on your user talk page. When you restore the edit, I suggest you include this explanation in the footnote so that the origin and purpose is clear. Donner60 (talk) 03:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I have restored the edit. However I'm still a bit confused. Are you suggesting that I add it to the reference (I included a translation of the author and title)or the edit summary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I have added the notation to the footnote. However, I notice that the reference is only to the University Department. Is this an article from a journal that could be cited or is it only on the University web site or in some other reference? Donner60 (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I am having trouble finding the copy I used. However, I found another copy at, which is an educational website, under 'academic journals' category. I'm not seeing where it is actually published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

If the web site has the actual contents of the article which you relied upon, I see no reason not to cite the web site. It would be helpful if that also cited the original publication which you could mention as the source. Donner60 (talk) 04:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


Fallenangelius here – remember the wiki is not just a dictionary but a means for the world to share knowledge, experience, understanding and there are readers who will need explanation. I am sorry you were unable to understand my definition of Noetics but I was merely adding what was missing as the quotes are already there - but then I suppose you have to start somewhere! I am an academic and so much more – I must assume you are a PhD who has somehow managed to get by on quotes alone. If I were you I would avoid plagiarism lawsuits at all costs. I trust you are beginning to appreciate the beauty of pure “Noetic” thought which seems to be so elusive to so many! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallenangelius (talkcontribs) 23:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:No personal attacks; Wikipedia:No legal threats. Donner60 (talk) 00:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Given that Fallenangelius appears to be sincere, I have started a discussion of this addition on the talk page of the article so that we can figure this out. Your input is welcome. Iwilsonp (talk) 23:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I left a comment on the talk page. Donner60 (talk) 20:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

Hello, Donner60. Please check your email – you've got mail!
Message added 03:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.

ceradon (talkcontribs) 03:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

New one! --ceradon (talkcontribs) 00:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Got it and replied. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 01:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hillside Colorado[edit]


Please revert the edit you performed on this page. I own the town of Hillside and I placed the information on the Wikipedia page as a current assessment of where the town stands and its proximity to other areas in Colorado. If you would like to travel to Hillside and prove me wrong or take pictures and add your own comments I would be more than happy to host you, barring that, you do not have an understanding of this town to make any edits.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hillside colorado (talkcontribs) 14:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

In response to the above message and restoration of the original edit, I put the following message on your talk page: I won't leave another edit message because apparently you are unfamiliar with some Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Wikipedia does not publish spam, advertising or promotional material. Please confine your editing to facts that do not fall within these categories. Please see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion and links and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal#Travel guides. Thank you. Donner60 (talk) 23:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Lalak Jan[edit]

to Donner 60 the editing you removed are taken out from different references and true base . i am mentioning the references u can check by your own self <ref></ref> pakistan officer <ref>Colonel Naeem Zaka (PA 18459)- 6 NLI</ref> book reference <ref> Books: Muhammad Ayub. An Army; Its role and Rule (A History of the Pakistan ArmyFrom Independence to Kargil 1947–1999). Rosedog Books, Pittsburg</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waji rao (talkcontribs) 23:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I left the following message on your talk page: I am deleting this message because you have cited references to me. However, you did not put these references into your edit. Please insert these citations in appropriate places in your edit if you are going to restore it. Also, please put your entire edit above the boxes at the bottom of the page. The links in the following welcome message should give you helpful information about citing sources and about Wikipedia formatting, policy and guidelines. One more thing the addition of "[WAR]" is not understandable to me. Is this supposed to be some sort of reference? If so, it needs more explanation. Thank you. (Welcome message and links placed on your page but not repeated here.) Donner60 (talk) 23:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


For catching the markup copyedit issue at Laboratory Condensers. Cheers. Le Prof — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: Abomination of Desolation[edit]

I provided a reference which contains the reliable source. The 2nd King of Persia died from complications due to an automobile collision. His wife and mother stated concerning his incoherency, not me. When I got to him, he was breathing unconscious only out of one lung with heaving. The date is accurate and pans out to be in alignment with Feast Days in accord with other prophecy.

This is the second time the "Current Reckoning" has been vandalized. Please undo your error in judgment and see to it that it doesn't happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Not a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Also see Wikipedia:Fringe theories. Donner60 (talk) 06:29, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Sally Kern[edit]

"but that you didn’t support your changes with a citation to a reliable source." I cited The Journal Record founded in 1937 in Oklahoma city — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view Donner60 (talk) 21:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I can do this for a while I have so many IP addresses so block all you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Her views are stated in detail in the article. Potentially libelous name-calling, without even identifying that it was done by an editorial writer, is not only contrary to Wikipedia policies, but totally unnecessary. Donner60 (talk) 07:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 10[edit]

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Richard Armitage and stuff[edit]

So basically I'm just having fun. They are dating, everyone knows. I thought it would be fun it a screenshot trended. Sorry if you're annoyed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:17, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I deleted the original message on your talk page because your note to me indicates you were in good faith. I am left you a welcome message (omitted here) to give you some links to pages that can familiarize you with Wikipedia guidelines, policies and help in editing. I am sure you can appreciate that Wikipedia cannot rely on "common knowledge," even if it is accurately set out. Without a valid reference, anyone could insert any rumor or false report that they wished. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia must hold to a higher standard than a blog or fan site or open comment site. Donner60 (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

IceCream Apps is spam[edit]

I angrily edited their page to reflect the nature of their spamming operation. I apologize for being angry. They propose to offer free software, instead you have to pay for it. I posted the link and am reposting here where they ask for money. Take a look at the link, and compare the information there to all the references. That page is on their own website! And it contradicts the rest of the mentioned references, which claim the software is completely free and without limits.

Also take a look at their about page. It has no information at all. This is a spamming operation. And they are manipulating wikipedia well. They have a wikipedia page on non-noteworthy software, with zero useful information except a listing of the software features, using their own site as references. They reference other websites which are remarkably similar in message, likely written by themselves. And they are taking advantage of folks who don't have much power combat this misinformation.

I hope you will investigate.

An annoyed user (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I am deleted the original message on your user talk page in the manner prescribed by the guidelines because of your explanation. You can put critical information into an article provided it is done in neutral language and is supported by citations from verifiable, reliable sources. Your explanation gives me the impression that you could do this. The following welcome message (on your user talk page; omitted here) contains useful links concerning Wikipedia policies, guidelines and editing help. Donner60 (talk) 00:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


I did put a reason in the edit summary; I am trying to cut this huge article down to size per WP:SPLIT. Therefore, I am splitting daughter articles off from Domes. I hope that's a good explanation. RuneMan3 (talk) 03:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I left this message on your talk page: I am deleting the above message in the manner prescribed by the guidelines (strike through - in order to show that it is my deletion) because I made a mistake. You did leave an explanation and further explained it on my talk page. I just missed it for some reason. I am sorry about the mistake. Please proceed with your edits. Donner60 (talk) 03:32, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi Donner, I see some content that you removed a while back[1] has been added back in.[2] Do you have any input? Spicemix (talk) 20:20, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry for the delayed reply but I have been in the hospital for tests for a few days. I have removed the material again. I do not see any relevance to the article for this statement of a rape by a nephew even if he inherited some of the property. Besides that, it was unsourced when it was originally put in the article and it remained unsourced because the bare urls put into the text (improperly) simply referred back to the editing page of the article. I do not watchlist articles in which I find problems when looking at recent changes because they would run into the many thousands, so I can't guarantee that this will not be put back in the article. If it is, I hope someone is watching who will realize it is not supported, really it is not even relevant. Donner60 (talk) 18:19, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your time and expertise, and wishing you the very best of health. Spicemix (talk) 18:44, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

David Willis edit[edit]

Hi Donner60 - I'm the person that made the edit to the David Willis (Cartoonist) page. The edit was not a test, but was an attempt to add useful information to the page (although I admit I am not very experienced at editing). The edit was to include details of Willis' current traffic figures for Dumbing of Age, along with a comparison of how this compares to his previous works, based on a post to Willis' tumblr. If you believe I did something incorrectly, please let me know and I will adjust the edit accordingly. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I left this message on your talk page: I have deleted the above message in the manner prescribed by the guidelines (strike through) in order to show that I made a mistake with the initial edit. I was responding to your edit of March 19 only, which did not make sense to me out of context. However, I now see that it was a minor correction or addition to your good edit of March 17. I should have notice that. I am sorry for the mistake. I have rolled back my reversion of your edit. I hope you will not be discouraged by this and will continue editing. The links in the following welcome message, which is slightly different than the automated message that usually shows up, may be helpful to you. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. (Welcome message omitted here.) Donner60 (talk) 01:58, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi! Donner60. I want translate French to English to English..Can you help me? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Worldgallery (talkcontribs) 18:17, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you read Wikipedia:Translation. I have never translated any text and can not be more help than to direct you to the Translation page. However, a quick look at that page suggests to me that the information there could be quite helpful. Donner60 (talk) 00:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Last surviving Confederate veterans[edit]

Hello Donner60 and trust you are well. Regret to say that the unregistered IP in Australia is once again making alterations to Last surviving Confederate veterans. They have made quite a mess of the article, which I have reverted. I suggest that if this starts up again, we get a admin involved, as they refused to enter any discussion you tried to initiate before. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

They have also reverted my edit restoring the text!! 18:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

thx for telling me![edit]

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hi donner thanks for telling me i. didnt know about the sandbox until u told me Poo1138 (talk) 02:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)