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Ye Olde Rules and Common Sense


1) Questions you ask here will be answered here, unless they are remarkably rude, pointless, pig-headed, etc.
2) Please post at the bottom of the page and "sign" your posts using the squiggly things: ~~~~
3) I did not delete "your" page or block you. I am not an admin. I may have suggested that the page should be deleted or that you earned a block.
4) I cannot undelete "your" page or unblock you. I am still not an admin (see #3, above).
5) I don't care if you did hear it from your best friend that her next-door neighbor's cousin knows this guy who once dated someone who went to high school with a roadie for the band, we still need a reliable, verifiable source.
6) The possibility that the blog/myspace/youtube/sign on a telephone pole you read is a reliable source is roughly equal to the chance that I will be the next Pope. I'm a lesbian. You do the math.
7) Please do not assume I am stupid, lazy or "out to get you" (or your favorite non-notable whatever). (Assume whatever you want.) We probably just disagree.
8) I do not intend to waste time responding to remarkably bogus, hostile, and/or trolling remarks. (Actually, it's kinda fun. I'll respond if I feel like it.)
9) Your First Amendment rights state that the U.S. Government will not restrict your speech. Wikipedia is not the U.S. Government.
10) No shirt, no shoes, no dice. Meh.




Contents

Andrea Mitchell[edit]

Berklee Alisa Edit[edit]

Thanks for the help...wasn't sure I should add the New York Times Bestseller bit, but decided to put it in anyway. Thanks for tidying it up. :-)

~usmarinesjz

Nomination of Binders full of women for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Binders full of women is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Binders full of women until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.

Ancient astronauts[edit]

See Talk:Ancient astronauts#Nation of Islam - you may wish to respond. AndyTheGrump (talk)

talkback[edit]

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Perri Reid[edit]

Barbie Cancelled Film[edit]

Hey there, my friend! Thanks for editing the "Cancelled Film" in Barbie (film series). Anyway, I made some edits to make the sentences more clear. I hope you will not change it again. Thank you. :)

Here are some other page where you can find the trademark controversy of the Sleeping Beauty:

You can check them out and compare with the Barbie (film series) page. Thank you. :) Bianca Anne Martins (talk) 12:55 PM, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello :-)[edit]

Normally I don't do this, but "6) The possibility that the blog/myspace/youtube/sign on a telephone pole you read is a reliable source is roughly equal to the chance that I will be the next Pope. I'm a lesbian. You do the math." made me giggle. With your permission I'd like to use that on my talk page :-) ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 04:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely. However, I should point out I meant it to express that I can't be Pope. Then there was this. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:47, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I took this "if you did hear it from your best friend that her next-door neighbor's cousin knows this guy who once dated someone who went to high school with a roadie for the band, we still need a reliable, verifiable source." too, I just love your wit! <3 ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 07:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

June 2014[edit]

Dear SummerPhD,

I have received your notification about the Wikipedia article about the fictional 1970s character Archie Bunker about adding misinformation to his article earlier today. Part of the message that you left at my talk page said the following;

...if you think I made a mistake, you can leave a message on my talk page.

I appreciate your invitation to correct you and I am going to take it.

I believe the edit that you are referring to is that of the section of the spouse of Archie Bunker. The edit I made to his page is listed below;

| spouse = Edith Bunker (1949-1980), her death (note: my edit is in parenthesis).

The reason I put that there was because I saw that you put that the two were married from 1948-1980. On the first aired pilot episode of "All in the Family" entitled "Meet the Bunkers" which aired on January 12, 1971, there is a scene where Gloria has a conversation with her husband Michael before Archie and Edith return from church. Gloria says to Mike, "Now Mike, please, for their twenty-second wedding anniversary...". This means that Archie and Edith were married on or around January 12, 1949.

There was also a part of your message that said the following;

...you didn't provide a reliable source.

Could you please tell me what would be the proper way to cite my reference as that reference I have in mind is the name of a "All in the Family" episode. How would I put that in reference form. Please reply back. Mr. Yondris Ferguson (Leave a Comment) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC).

The dialogue in that episode does place their wedding 22 years (give or take a few days or so) from the date portrayed in that episode. There are several problems, though. In the days before the Internet, shows were a bit less cautious about continuity (without legions of fans poring over every detail of every episode from their collections on VCR/DVD/DVR/Netflix, it wasn't as much of a concern). several years later, they were said to have dated for about 2 years "in the mid 40s". 1947-1949 the "mid 40s"? Additionally, your calculation relies on the episode occurring on the date it was aired. The episode has them coming home from church. January 12, 1971 was a Tuesday. Further, we have no indication what the assumed air date was when the episode was written. I don't know what their production schedule was like (how far in advance the first episode was filmed). I don't know if the Bunkers went to church on Tuesdays (seems unlikely). I don't know that the writers generally considered the Bunkers to have married in any particular year. So far, we don't seem to have a source that knows either. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

John Philbin[edit]

I deleted your PROD - it has then been disputed, so it had to be restored - I suggest a candidate for WP:AfD  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Blokus[edit]

Hi. I'm curious and don't understand the reason you gave: Reverted good faith edits by Denisarona (talk): Off topic; not a minor edit for reverting my edit to the above article on 25 June. Regards Denisarona (talk) 14:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry, my mistake. Your edit was fine, correcting a spelling error to the IP's addition. The additon by another editor was off-topic (a WP:POV comparison to another game). I've corrected it. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
No problem. Initially I thought that maybe they were referred to as something different. Thanks Denisarona (talk) 15:50, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Michelle Thomas[edit]

I'm so sorry. I didn't know about reliable source needed to be cited. Please forgive me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animefan35 (talkcontribs) 02:41, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Interesting reading[edit]

I just wanted to tell you that your talk page is one of the most interesting reads on Wikipedia. I think I may have been here before over some disagreement we may have had, but I'm not sure. You sure attract some strange comments and I like your responses. The reference to Clue was especially entertaining. Hope this makes you smile, as I did. John from Idegon (talk) 07:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Here's the thing: People have accused me of having a sense of humor. I'm pretty sure they are mistaken. As an example, I don't recall making a reference to Clue. I can't imagine why I would. The only thing I can think of is that little incident at the library. One of my esteemed colleagues was slow to understand my position, needed clarification and I used the library's resources to support my conjecture. Sorry for the confusion. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Contrary to what vandals may say, SummerPHD is quite funny. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 06:54, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

AN/I "SummerPhD's behavior on Jasmuheen talk page"[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:B000:2100:D002:820C:E4C1:46D7 (talk) 14:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Jenilee Harrison[edit]

Well, it shows above the birth year, but someone forgot the birth year category, and I was being useful. Do we have to exclude that category or what? --70.193.132.53 (talk) 15:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm guessing at what you are specifically talking about. I've verified the source for the birth date, but the birth place is still unsourced. I've updated the article throughout to reflect this.[1] If you were referring to something else, you'll need to be more specific. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
You're guess would be right, and perhaps I should've said "the one that provided the date of birth forgot the birth year category." --2600:1005:B00A:68A0:C8D9:5515:1BF8:5C83 (talk) 16:21, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Alvinnn!!! and the Chipmunks[edit]

I got the plot from a reliabe sourace and the same goes for the cast, I'd like to re add the info, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatintell (talkcontribs) 22:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

You need to cite a reliable source, not just tell me that you have one. This is called "verifiability". It is one of our core principles. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Mi_chael Pe. Woro_niecki page[edit]

Good luck trying to win the edits you made on this page ( newly registered editor JesHelp_in revised them), especially the blog citation deletion. I believe the Woro_niecki's watch this page like a hawk and very probably covertly involve themselves in edit wars to protect their father's religious image. The W's usually reside in S America or Central America in the summer evangelizing, and I would bet the farm the location of JesH_elpin which is Chile according to the IP edit before he registered to properly make the revision, says a lot about who this person is and why they refuse to let go of the positive blog characterization of this person in the citation you tried to remove. The Woron_iecki's have very few positive marks in their favor since ABC, NBC, the Houston Chronicle, The Grand Rapids Press, Dallas Morning News and authors Suzanne O'Ma_lley and Suzy Spe_ncer exposed Woro_niecki's nature and role in the And_rea Yates tragedy of 2001. User Jos_huaWor_oniecki was already advised to stop editing this page, and I believe he continues to do so to protect that positive blog citation. You can see in the former edit war last fall (2013), the edits against removing that blog citation were tenaciously defended by someone mobile moving south across the east coast, just as the Woro_niekci's were doing at the time of these edits. There used to be a lot of firmly and well documented negative information about Woronie_cki's past from 1980-83 articles of the Grand Rapids Press. Those were deleted by Joshua's admin helpers, people who have lost their positions as admins because of other improper behaviors across wikipedia in general. These admins pretty much let JW have free reign on revising the article anyway he saw fit. It's interesting that when JW was stopped and told to stop editing the article because of his clear bias, an anonymous edit shortly thereafter added the illegal blog citation and comment. That citation suffered an edit war in fall of 2013 with the W's once again winning due to someone protecting them (I believe to be one of the former admins who lost their position and had watched this article for some time after the major revisions.) If you want to read what I believe is a more accurate characterization of this person, google apologetics index dot org and the father's full name and wife's name and you will see they have been involved in a net censorship campaign on the net since early 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.182.92 (talk) 20:56, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on the Francis Hopkinson article[edit]

Dear SummerPhD, Thanks for your helpful comments on editing in Wikipedia and my changes to the article on Francis Hopkinson. I tried to find some guidelines before I edited the article, but I could not find anything useful. I will go back and take out the "our" and so forth that imply a U.S. readership. I just got mad one day about the falsehoods and misleading statements in that article, so I started editing. If you look at my "trail" you can see that I've had a lot of trouble trying to get all the references into the article in a readable way. Also, I did the typical thing of losing all my changes one evening, so I save the page after each change. It's not the best way for those tracking the history of the changes, but at least I didn't lose a large body of work. Also, I keep forgetting to put the reason for my changes. I got tickled to learn that the reference to the Bishop of Worcester was incorrect. It said that it was Brownlow North, Lord North's half brother. Well, Brownlow may have been Lord North's half brother, but he wasn't the Bishop of Worcester when Hopkinson was in England. In Hastings biography, he includes a letter Hopkinson wrote to his mother telling her about visiting her cousin, James Johnson, who WAS the Bishop of Worcester at the time. I was embarrassed by a colleague when I used some information from Wikipedia that was wrong and outdated, so I'm going to go back and fix that article, too! I think we also need some work on the Betsy Ross articles, but I'm leaving that for another time. Could you tell me what the difference might be between a "Source" and a "Reference" at the end of the article? Also, could you tell me if I should delete Hastings biography from the list of Books? Since Hopkinson didn't write the book, maybe it doesn't belong there? Thanks so very much, Fran Featherston p.s. I could not figure out how to "reply" to your comments, so I apologize if this is the incorrect way to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fran Featherston (talkcontribs) 01:09, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Yikes. The "Source"/"Reference" sections on that article are a Frankenstein monster and should be assaulted with torches and pitchforks.
That is an example of why we can't have nice things. Pop culture articles get a lot of attention and eventually come out OK or remain garbage until someone rolls up their sleeves. Historical articles are either high profile enough that they reach a decent level of quality (think Thomas Jefferson) or end up being a mish-mash of reasonable scholarship and additions of half-remembered things someone's 8th grade history teacher said. The academics who end up here generally don't know Wikipedia style and the 8th grade history students get the style right, but botch the content. I'll make you a deal: Focus on the content and do the best you can on the style. I do not know general American history (outside of a fairly narrow slice that I avoid on Wikipedia), but I have a decent handle on Wikipedia's style. I'll check back on the article and correct style issues. With your permission, I'll watch your edits in general and offer what tips I can (e.g., avoiding first and second person pronouns) to help get you to whatever level of Wikipedia confidence you'd care to reach. Your call.
For now, I'm going to turn that monster into a productive member of society. Here's a link to the "before" version you asked about: [2]. The current version will show what I've made of it. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:02, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Cathy Dennis[edit]

Hi, I'm going on her passport, which we have received at my place of work. Obviously I would rather not post it online, but 1968 it definitely is... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.122.250.61 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

In addition to her passport not being a published source, we cannot use primary sources for this purpose. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:27, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Veganism[edit]

I'm having a hard time trying to interpret what you were attempting to do here. What was wrong with this material and where is the OR? Viriditas (talk) 05:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

We do not have a reliable source stating that vegan diets are comprised of this list of items. (If we did, it would be wrong.) Instead, someone said to themselves, "Gee, what do vegans eat? I'll make a list." Someone else disagreed with that list and tried to correct it based on their own ideas. Lather, rinse, repeat. Please see discussion on the article's talk page. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:23, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Huh? Food groups are fairly well known and mentioned in the reliable sources about veganism. You removed uncontroversial information based on the exclusion argument so popular over at LessWrong. Just the fact that you would say "we do not have a reliable source stating that vegan diets are comprised of this list of items" makes me wonder just what is it that you are smoking. Viriditas (talk) 02:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not smoking anything. Please see discussion on the article's talk page. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to discuss the existence of basic food groups that categorize the vegan diet. You are welcome to do a search of the reliable sources to see for yourself. Have fun. Viriditas (talk) 02:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Please see discussion on the article's talk page. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Why I edited the Disneymania 2 track list[edit]

The track list is fake and those aren't the artists that are on the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikaelaArsenault (talkcontribs) 21:28, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for responding. Next time, at least an edit summary would be helpful. Without it, your removal of the section looks like simple vandalism, which is why I reverted it.
I took a quick look at the article history, found the vandalism[3] and have restored the track list. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 21:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Current block notices[edit]

I missed it too, but apparently there was an RFC that changed the rules again so that editors can remove their block notices, and can only not remove declined unblock requests. Just an FYI. Monty845 00:53, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I sure missed that one. Thanks for the heads up. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:58, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi SummerPhD - wanting your advice re my revisions[edit]

Hi SummerPhD ! My name is Eric, I am new here, and edited the article about Jack Canfield, after reading several of his books. I'd like to get your opinion (I think I have much to learn!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Canfield Thank you! --Psychology Forever (talk) 08:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

member Summer PHD[edit]

Hello, How Are You? Thank You Of Your Message regarding the article,on GELATO, The information i have provided is from a company in Australia that deals with wholesale and retailing of gelato it is MrPisaGeato.com, Kind Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.82.25 (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your addition. However, there are two problems:
1) If you are using a source, you need to include an inline citation so that readers will know where the information came from (without having to dig through the article's history.
2) I see nothing to indicate that mrpisagelato.com.au is a reliable source. The text you added makes several claims about gelato and ice cream that are unsupported and seem to be biased in favor of the business's product:
  • "gelato is prepared hand-crafted fresh in batches daily" - This is certainly true in some cases. Other times the gelato is made in advance.
  • "ice cramsic...is commonly made weeks or months in advance" - Ice cream from my kitchen is made minutes before we eat it. It is still ice cream.
  • "(gelato) has a richer, creamier and smoother taste". This is subjective. Honda would likely say that the difference between a Honda and any other car is that theirs are "more stylish, more reliable and make you look cool."
  • (gelato) does not contain the same nutritional fats and sugars". I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Cream and sugar are "nutritional fats and sugars". Both are used to make ice cream and gelato.
  • "Ice cream has a much colder taste in the mouth". ("In the mouth..."? I'm not sure where else a taste would be...) This is subjective and confusing: "colder" is not a "taste".
  • "(ice cream) is usually served in skoops, whereas Gelato is served with a spatula". Again, not always. Even if this is true, does this make the product any different?
  • "Gelato...is hand made in small bundles and not made in bulk quantity". Gelato is hand made ice cream? When I make a batch of ice cream does it become gelato? When my local gelato shop makes a batch of gelato (with several machines, BTW), how small must the batch be to remain gelato?
  • "ice -cream is user's anonymous machines". Again, I make small batches of ice cream. Yes, I use a machine to continually stir it (much like the local gelato shop). If I use my father's hand-cranked ice cream maker, does it become gelato?
  • "(ice cream uses) industrialised pre-mix ingredients". My vanilla ice cream uses milk, cream, sugar and vanilla.
Yes, we need to clarify what gelato is and what makes it different from ice cream (if anything). We need independent reliable sources for this.
Please discuss the issue on the article's talk page, where I am copying my reply. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Associated acts: Miranda Cosgrove[edit]

Hello! Sorry if I'm in the wrong, new at this, The reason for removing some of the associated acts from Miranda Cosgrove was because Jennette McCurdy, Jerry Trainor, and Nathan Kress do not meet the definition of associated acts. Associated acts are bands or single artists someone has worked with that has helped further their career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Prasad (talkcontribs) 17:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I had reverted you entirely based on your lack an edit summary. Newer editors working on topics of interest to the under 20 crowd often end up with material added/removed based on whims. Your edit summary addresses my concern nicely. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Falkirks. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Pimp C because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. FalkirksTalk 05:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Woah, slow down there, Falkirks. In reverting my edit you restored the vandalism. Compare the article at any point over the past several years with the version you restored. In addition to massive, unsourced changes by an IP, random profanity and a broken template, the version you restored has the claims that he was born in 1988 yet had been active since 1987. Quite the trick. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:21, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I have just got back to using STiki and have had some issues. I will be more careful in future. FalkirksTalk 16:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Negroes and Negro "Slavery"[edit]

Hi! I don't know if you remember but a couple of weeks ago you prodded Negroes and Negro "Slavery"; about a week later I deprodded it because I thought it might be notable. I've just now created an article on John H. Van Evrie, who wrote the book in question, and after doing a bit of reading around the topic I'm inclined to agree with you that the book in itself isn't notable, so I've redirected to the article on the author. Hopefully that all makes sense; just thought you might appreciate an update. Keep up the good work! – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Manuel Barttlet[edit]

Less than Neutral? Please go check many Mexican newspapers and international press about the Controversial 1988 Mexican Election of President. Wikipedia is in danger of not being able of conveying the Truth for being too fearful of Liability sues. In many Topics the "Conventional Wisdom" is based on very Few Independent Sources, because one book cites another book which in turn cites the first one and so on. Also: I have noticed a recent trend of more "Policeing" Wikipedia, but I think it is done in a way more burocratic than with real Knowledge of the Issues. Not to Offend anyone, but worried because Wikipedia is a source almost "uncontestable" to many people. Vanguard53 (talk) 13:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, "less than neutral". You cannot add controversial claims about a living person without citing reliable sources that make those same claims. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not "The Truth". If you do not cite reliable sources for controversial claims -- especially those about living people -- you can expect them to be reverted.
Wikipedia "policing" should be about our core policies. Without these policies, Wikipedia is worthless as a source. If sources are not provided for questionable claims, there is really little to do but remove it. The burden is on the person who added the information, as that person should have had a reliable source for the information. Tasking other editors with finding sources for your claims is backwards: If you do not have reliable sources for the material, do not add it. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Manuel Bartlett[edit]

Here You have an Extract of a Washington Post Article (Ref. as number 2 in the "References" Section):

"One of the big surprises this year is Manuel Bartlett, who served as interior minister for the ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, in 1988 and who allegedly shut down the computers counting the vote during the presidential election when it appeared Carlos Salinas was not winning."

And Hundreds articles more describe Manuel Bartlett as a Corrupt Politician. If a Politician is Corrupt can't Anybody say so? Vanguard53 (talk) 14:15, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

With that particular source, you can say Bartlett allegedly shut down the vote count when it appeared Salinas was not winning. If you would like to say that Bartlett is "corrupt", you will need reliable sources that say so. Please review our policy on biographies of living persons. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:45, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

184.4.123.171[edit]

The sock is blanking their tlak page, im under the impression they arent allowed to edit anything including thier talk page. If so could you please revoke talk access. If this isnt the case I stand corrected. Amortias (T)(C) 19:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, you are correct. However: 1) I'm not an admin (I cannot revoke talk page access) 2) I've been reverting them every couple of days to keep tabs on them (as long as they are using that IP they aren't using a different one, making it easier to spot the registered socks).
If you would like to press the issue, I have no complaints. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Soft tone[edit]

Hi, I'm CapnZapp.

Could I ask you a favor? I appreciate your antivandalism efforts, but could I ask you to consider taking a softer stance when it comes to fixing the mistakes that newbs make in good faith? Using (semi) automated tools sch as Twinkle does not give a friendly vibe, and are not appropriate in my opinion when it comes to welcoming non-vandal newcomers.

Feel free to contrast your approach with mine over at User talk:107.4.138.158. Hopefully you see that what you do well against vandals run a risk of simply scaring away newbies.

Let me explain.

  • The automated language "but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so!" is inappropriate in this case: he did add a citation, not just a good one!
  • Please consider welcoming new users. Try it! It can feel good, especially after the thankless job of antivandal patrol :)
  • Please please please do not bash new users with policy. Do not assume they know about Wikipedia. And do not assume Wiki policies are intuitive or self-explanatory, because they're far from it. Instead, consider a short explanation (on the page itself, not just a link)... and then, the link, the directly relevant link that is, not merely a general introduction link.

Hope for your understanding and keep up the good work! CapnZapp (talk) 06:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

PS. I saw the ip user's question at the top, but left it there for you to org your page the way you want it.

Gravity (film)[edit]

Hi in regards to the removal of the edit for the movie gravity. I also took into account air friction as it applies to gravity, my specific comment of the smaller piece of Chinese space station debris falling faster than the intact capsule and with the respect of entire space station being seen as being broken up debris seen from the shore... after the capsule/pod landed, the character of Dr. Stone escaped from it submerging and then swam to shore. If you could help me find a better reference for why this is scientifically impossible, I would much appreciate it. Thanks for your comments.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.4.138.158 (talkcontribs) 05:51, August 11, 2014‎

Hi and thanks for getting back to me. As I tried to explain, the main problem with your edit wasn't the science.
While I don't recall the specifics of the pod's trajectory, the timing of the space station's breakup, etc. and I do think aerodynamic drag (along with effects from trajectory and initial velocity) may be a piece of the puzzle for the smaller piece seen earlier, that is beside the point. The source you cited, while certainly relevant to a discussion of acceleration due to gravity is not useful for your edit. Your addition would need a reliable source that explicitly states that the event in the film was not possible.
Your edit, more or less says:
A) Universal gravitation/general relativity/whatever would predict that the pod/space station and fragments would behave like this: (your explanation of the physics you see as relevant, citing a source for the science)
B) The movie showed: (something different)
C) The movie got the science wrong.
For the sake of this discussion, we'll assume you got everything right in "A" and "B". Where did "C" come from? You. We call this synthesis of published material. You combined sourced material to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. "'A and B, therefore C' is acceptable only if a reliable source has published the same argument in relation to the topic of the article."
For comparison, consider the material currently in that section. The items there directly cite various reliable sources directly discussing what they see as flaws in the science in the movie.
Without this policy, Wikipedia would be a few basic stable articles surrounded by endless arguments (for example, various diet proponents would endlessly argue that their favored diet (innumerable varieties of vegetarianism, veganism, fruitarianism, paleolithic diet, macrobiotic diet, etc.) is the one and only "correct" diet based on nutrition, purported health effects, physiology, etc. Instead, we cite reliable sources saying that "fruitarians believe" humans should eat only fruit and vitamin B12 is available in fruit or B12 is not needed by humans AND relevant reliable sources say various people have died from the diet, humans need B12 that cannot be obtained from plants, etc.
If you'd like to continue searching for a reliable source discussing the issue you've identified, you might check Discover (which periodically runs blurbs on the good and bad science in popular films) and Tyson (who seems to enjoy discussing this type of thing[4], sometimes the glaring errors really get to him). In my experience, though, trying to find sources that specifically spell out and support your own theory is unlikely to be successful. It's usually more effective to read reliable sources that you find interesting and add material you run across to the relevant topics. Good luck and happy editing. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Excuss me. not trying to be rude and im trying to be nice.[edit]

but sir why did you remove some of the year of the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:e:1980:532:5c26:7e74:892d:5bfa (talkcontribs) 19:24, August 13, 2014‎

The notices on your talk page (including" "When you remove a warning that says, 'Do NOT add a year without citing a reliable source. It will be reverted.' to add a year without citing a reliable source, what do you think will happen?") should be sufficient. If not, kindly review all of the other warnings you've accumulated on your other talk pages.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] - SummerPhD (talk) 19:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

that's a lot of links. I am very surprise about that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:E:1980:532:5C26:7E74:892D:5BFA (talk) 20:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

You mean me and my cousin are Spammers ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:e:1980:532:5c26:7e74:892d:5bfa (talkcontribs) 23:05, August 13, 2014‎

I mean you have been consistently unwilling or unable to follow Wikipedia's core policies. - 23:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Yep You are so much b(Trouble for that. for Spamming like that. and for given for the Source with not nonsence about feet. I talking to 2601:E:1980:532:5C26:7E74:892D:5BFA. you were wrong.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:e:1980:532:5911:85c7:51a7:5f75 (talkcontribs) 13:56, August 14, 2014‎

Hello[edit]

Hello, I'm GoldenBoy25! I've noticed that you've changed some of my edits. Also thanks for the advise that you gave me about reliable sources, but you did make some mistakes. First of all Maza Rodriguez is not 180 cm. The 180 cm height was edited by a troll. Maza Rodriguez real height is 192 cm. Also Lee Beom-soo is listed my multiple websites to be 171 cm. Thanks for the help and telling me to use reliable sources. Overall you could be right about my edits. Feel free to talk to me if you have any questions about my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldenBoy25 (talkcontribs) 05:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for getting back to me.
I do not know who "Maza Rodriguez" is. I cannot find anyone with a similar name by searching and I don't see that name in a list of your edits.
Lee Beom-soo may be listed on numerous sites as being 171 cm. However, we need a reliable source for the information in order to add it. Unreliable sources (such as the one you cited) tend to repeat whatever information they can find. If they got it from a reliable source, it might be right. If they got it from an unreliable source, it might be someone's guess. If there are no reliable sources for a piece of information, we simply leave it out. More to the point, for actors, height measurements are generally not listed as their height is simply not relevant to their career. - SummerPhD (talk) 11:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Re: SummerPhD

Maza Rodriguez is Francisco Javier Rodriguez and he over towers a lot of football (soccer) players. So he can't be 180 cm! FIFA and other pages have him at 191 cm or 192 cm. But you're right about posting reliable sources. Lee Beom-soo to me appears to be 168 cm, but there is no official info for his height. The reason why I posted his height is because it is one of the most frequently asked questions to google. Lee Beom-soo is consider a short actor. Thanks for the reply and your input. Hope to hear from you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldenBoy25 (talkcontribs) 01:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Soylent Taste[edit]

Hello there. With regard to your edit to my edit - I do dispute the non-neutrality of my version. Rhinehart was very clear in the cited source that the minimal flavor is intentional for the reasons cited (flavor fatigue prevention, and user customizability). However, the current version of the text is a vast improvement, since the previous claim that it "lacks any pleasurable characteristics" was objectively false based on further reviewer comments. Mprwik (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Please discuss the issue on the article's talk page. (Your edit seemed to select positive remarks from the sources you cited. Note that I added in a couple of the remarks you omitted from your sources.) - SummerPhD (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Do not edit my talk page[edit]

The inactive code contained there is for specific purposes and should not be disrupted. Please address all messages to me in the article talk pages. KingHooves (talk) 01:36, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

"(T)he purpose of user talk pages is to draw the attention or discuss the edits of a user." When you make disruptive edits, such as this edit, you will be notified on your user talk page. If you are blocked or taken to WP:AN/I, as you will be if you continue, you will be notified on your user talk page. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:16, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

M&M's revert[edit]

Dear SummerPhD, I am quite new to this Wikipedia jig and wanted to add some useful, interesting information to the M&M's page. Something that a lot of people don't know, but are quite interested in. I understood you reverted it the first time because I didn't add a source. So I went and found a source, added it, and added a small amendment. Then, you reverted it again without specifying any reason, nor messaging me on how to perhaps improve the paragraph. So, you could please let me know how to improve the paragraph so that it's worthy of Wikipedia and will not be reverted again? Thanks! Pbean (talk) 23:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

The second revert (the first since you registered an account) was immediately followed by a message on your talk page. This should have generated a message across the top of any Wikipedia page you looked at. Perhaps you missed it somehow. In any case, the note is still there.
The basic problem is that the issue, for want of a better word, is trivial (and synthesis). You have added two sources; one showing that the dye is from insects and another showing it is used in M&Ms in some locations. From this, you have added that M&Ms in some parts of Europe might not be "suitable" for some vegetarians.
In order to add this material to the article, you need a reliable source directly discussing this issue in relation to M&Ms. Instead, you have three pieces: Source A tells us the dye is from insects. Source B says it's in some M&Ms. You say they may not be suitable. You are combining two sources to say something neither one says by itself: Some M&Ms contain a dye of animal origin. This is called "synthesis". To this you have added your own opinion (that they might not be suitable for some vegetarians). Wikipedia frowns on editors introducing their opinions to articles. We aim for a neutral point of view.
This may seem needlessly complicated, but consider the alternative, using M&Ms as an example. Couldn't we also discuss chocolate and peanut allergies, lactose intolerance, veganism (diary), diabetes, the theoretical sugar-hyperactivity connection, various theories regarding various dyes, cocoa plantation concerns (deforestation, poor working conditions, etc.), empty calories and obesity, tooth caries and hundreds of other topics? How do we sort out what to include and what to exclude?
Simple: We report what independent reliable sources say. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Mass editing by this writer[edit]

Im glad you reverted my blanking of a page at the pornography portal. i wasnt providing any contexts for my edits, so what are people to think? i am currently overhauling the portal, and removing images and articles which are of low quality or duplicate other items there. this page will be "unblanked" shortly as i build up a store of new images there. if any of my edits seem particularly harsh to you or anyone, please go ahead and revert with your reason. theres plenty of room there for more than one editor. the portal was almost completely moribund, though, and it gets at least 400 hits per day, so i decided that it needed fixing so that WP doesnt have that portal as a sore thumb. ive worked on other portals before this. again, thanks for reminding me that an occasional edit summary really helps, esp. if im BLANKING pages, for gosh sakes.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

User:SummerPhD/Obvious, good start of an essay. I have tried to write very literal summaries for books, action only. you should read L'Opoponax, the narrative is entirely descriptive and in second person, a real trip, only "you did this, they did that", with no comments from the author on character motiveMercurywoodrose (talk) 06:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

How does citation needed tag = 'disruptive editing'?[edit]

The claim was clearly uncited 80.193.169.59 (talk) 16:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

If you have further concerns and wish to challenge the statement that Soylent (drink) is not made out of human corpses, please address the issue on the article's talk page. (I had written a fuller explanation, but would rather see you ask if you have concerns.) - SummerPhD (talk) 22:29, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Signature song.[edit]

I am a little unsure of Buddy Holly's signature song, but looking at the respective wiki pages alone prove that The Big Bopper's signature song is "Chantilly Lace" and Ritchie Valens's signature song is "La Bamba".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.28.107 (talkcontribs) 17:14, August 24, 2014‎

To include the claim in the article, we need independent reliable sources to cite. - SummerPhD (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Alvin & the Chipmunks 4 Release Date links[edit]

Here are sources of a new release date: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=122192 http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/21/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-4-slated-for-2016 Nashwalker (talk) 04:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Fanny Pack[edit]

Thank you for your note about my edit on Fanny pack. Admittedly, I neglected to check the source, because the year stated seemed obviously wrong (which was my error). However, looking at the source now, I still believe it to be wrong.

1. Why is this document [15] considered a reliable source? It is an internal memo of a small subgroup within a state agency. It is not a newspaper reporting on the appearance of "the new so-called fanny pack." It appears that someone searched the world for the earliest instance of these two words being put together, and found an obscure internal memo.

2. More important perhaps, how does this source establish "the term entering common North American usage by early 1980" ? That's not what the source says. The source merely uses the term. How do we know this instance of "fanny pack" refers to what we now commonly call a fanny pack? It could be the group's internal or even a local slang term for backpack, for all we know. The source makes no connection between the term and a belt with a bag on it. It definitely does not establish that the term was used commonly throughout North America.

My recommendation would be to cut the "common usage" claim altogether. If nothing else, it causes confusion, as it did to me: the article claims common usage of a term ten years before the item's peak popularity. Even if it's true, it just "smells wrong" to the reader and without a reliable source, it weakens the article's authority. And, this is a nontrivial matter: If someone is researching the earliest usage of the term, at best this "fact" is poorly established, and at worst, incorrect. Thank you. PorkHeart (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I understand what whomever added it was going for: If the term wasn't in well-known, it wouldn't show up unexplained in a memo. That said, the whole sentence is unsourced and/or WP:OR and should probably go. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your prodigious efforts in fighting vandalism. Thanks for helping keep Wikipedia tidy :) — MusikAnimal talk 01:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Coconut Oil mistakes[edit]

I have gone through the articles on Coconut Oil, Medium Chain Triglycerides, and Lauric Acid, to correct errors based on the concept that lauric acid, a 12-carbon fatty acid and the main fatty acid on coconut oil, is considered to be among those considered to be medium-chain triglycerides. The scientific literature considered medium chain triglycerides to be made of fatty acids between 6 and 10 carbons long. [1], [2], [3] Lauric acid is considered to be a long-chain fatty acid, albeit the shortest of that group. Statements that Coconut oil is primarily MCT is wrong. The number is more like 19%. If you check over to the article on MCTs I changed the number in the introductory sentence to 6 - 10 away from 6 - 12. Intersting that they had cited Bach to support the 6 - 12 statement when the Bach piece clearly states MCTS are 6 - 10. I then corrected the piece on Lauric Acid to eliminate its classification as a MCT. I am hoping that this scholarly correction will be accepted as such. ER Blonz, Ph.D. Blonz (talk) 04:20, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Please read User_talk:Blonz#August_2014 the explanation I gave on your talk page. - SummerPhD (talk) 12:52, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Excuss Me[edit]

I was Wondering do you know anything about this show http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140322080919/totaldramaisland/images/2/2f/Total-drama-pahkitew-island-248.jpg. If you don't that's okay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:E:1980:532:10F7:F4EF:AC90:E396 (talk) 23:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Your revert on The Matrix article.[edit]

You provided the reason for reverting my edit there as MOS:IDENTITY. Seeing that you joined the editing team later than when the discussion seemed to end, I'm afraid you're missing something. This issue has been discussed at length. And in the talk page that you wanted me to consult, there is no solution in this regard. There has never been. The page you directed me to ended with this paragraph:

As per your wishes, I have started a broader discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film#Describing_transgendered_individuals.

If you have been here and discussed it with us, you would probably know that the discussion did not end on The Matrix talk page. It's been carried over to that link. If you go the page in the link (now moved here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Archive_48#Describing_transgendered_individuals ), you will not find a solid resolution that major contributors of this article and film project agree with. So I'm afraid that even though you have a reason to revert my edit, you have only raised one reason among many, many that have been stated before, and one that had been dismissed. I'm afraid it does not provide a real resolution. So before insisting on this version, kindly consider if it truly a reason that can provide resolution instead of another edit war, as I am sure there will be objections, and not just from me. Anthonydraco (talk) 14:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The talk page discussion I referred to in from earlier this year and does not end with a link to the discussion you reference, which is just over a year old. MOS:IDENTITY says, "Wikipedia should use the term most used in sources", which is in line with your argument. However, it continues: "An exception to this is made for terms relating to gender. In such cases we favor self-designation, even when source usage would indicate otherwise. Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the pronouns, possessive adjectives, and gendered nouns ... that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life, unless the subject has indicated a preference otherwise." The exception in the present case is the use of "Brothers" in the article prose. Please note this discussion, several months after the one you point to, where the closing admin states, "there is a rough consensus that the subject's preference take precedence over referring to them using their latest expressed gender." This is the most recent discussion with a clear closure that I was able to locate. It seems to agree with my reading of the guideline. "The Wachowskis" is in no way ambiguous and reflects the consensus guideline. If you disagree with the guideline, feel free to reopen discussion of the issue at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Cornelius Inc page[edit]

Hi there,

These past weeks it seem as though we have been fighting over the Cornelius, Inc page on Wikipedia. I want to address this with you directly to resolve the matter as I have spent several weeks developing this article and do not want to see it deleted.

I have deleted your message for the articles deletion on Wikipedia because I have added several notable sources such as the QSR Magazine and Minnesota inventors website. These is reputable sources please explain to me how to improve the page to remain on here. I had another Wikipedia editor help with the formatting and he did not see any problems with the article other than a few citations that needed to be added. When I added the citations he thanked me for my contribution and left the article alone.

I just don't understand what you see and want to resolve it! I have added some good reliable sources and if I need more independent sources I will continue to add them with time. So please do not delete the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcshanemichael90 (talkcontribs) 18:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

(Before noticing the article was moved to draft status, I made a few changes. Feel free to revert any/all of them as appropriate. I removed links to images that have been deleted from Commons and condensed several duplicate refs.)
When I suggested the deletion of the article, the main problem was (as it always has been) lack of evidence of notability. In general terms, no article should exist unless the subject of the article has been the subject of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. At that time, the article had several sources that did not discuss Cornelius. Those sources are not useful for the article as they do not discuss the subject. After removing those sources, I was left with one source which is a reprint of a company press release. As a primary source, it would be useful only to confirm undisputed facts about the company (for instance, the year of incorporation). Such sources are of no value in terms of demonstrating notability. As I had been completely unable to locate any additional coverage, I prodded the article. Any editor may remove this tag, if they disagree with the reasoning given for the proposed deletion. As the tag has been removed, the article will not be deleted without discussion. I have not, at this point, reviewed the article's newest additions beyond the minor maintenance edits I mentioned.
The main hurdles for the article are notability, sourcing and neutrality. As I had previously noted, editors with a conflict of interest should exercise caution. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi.[edit]

Hi there. With all due respect, why are you stalking my edits? Did I do something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.211.101 (talk) 23:20, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

List of contraltos in non-classical music and similar articles seem to attract unsourced additions[16] and unexplained removal of sourced material.[17][18] Unexplained changes to apparently sourced material[19] are a similar problem. IP editors often ignore sourcing and requests to include sources. If you would like to avoid similar problems in the future, in addition to using edit summaries and providing sources, you might consider registering for an account. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I actually do have an account, but forgot the password and can't retrieve it. Its not ok to delete unreliable sources from blogs or bogus websites? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.211.101 (talk) 04:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Regarding my edit to Foodfight![edit]

Your source's figure seems merely adding the two figures given in the NYT article: "The NY Times descibes how businessman/producer Larry Kasanoff (pictured below) raised $45 million to make Foodfight!, and then decided to direct the film himself, despite having no prior experience directing animation". There's no indication Cartoon Brew got information on the film's budget firsthand. 152.231.9.146 (talk) 04:25, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

The NYT article you cite does not give a budget figure. I do not see two figures totaling $45 million, so I'm not sure how you decided the other source "merely (added the two figures" from it. Here are the dollar figures in that article: "predicted a huge $100 million tie-in merchandising campaign" (not budget); "Kasanoff raised an initial $25 million for production costs in conjunction with a Korean investment consortium and expected the rest of the budget, which Threshold projected at $50 million" (budget, but can't be $45 million (maybe $50 million total or $75 million, it's unclear). - SummerPhD (talk) 04:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
The two sentences were :"Mr. Kasanoff raised an initial $25 million for production costs in conjunction with a Korean investment consortium and expected the rest of the budget," (itself a reference to this article) and "In 2005, Threshold secured roughly $20 million in additional financing through private investors represented by StoryArk,...". Those are the two that are worded as "they definitely got that money", whereas all other figures paraphrase "they hoped that would happen".
Again, my concern may partially be that the other source seems to be completely based on this source. Hell, CartoonBrew's tagline when searching it on Google is "Cartoon Brew is the largest animation entertainment blog...". OK, maybe I'm cherrypicking with that line, but the point is that they seem to admit they are not cutting-edge journalists. 152.231.9.146 (talk) 05:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, not sure how I missed that second one. My bad. It seems there are two separate issues:
1) Is Cartoon Brew a reliable source for this information? I have no idea.
2) Does the NYT article give a figure that we can report? I don't think so. To me, it seems to say at least $45 million: Kasanoff raised $25M toward an expected $50 M budget, Threshold found $20M more. If that's all there was, yes, it's $45M but that's a big "if". It assumes the film came in $5M under projected budget. Given the convoluted story of the making of this turd, coming in under budget seems unlikely and not having a clear number to reference is less than surprising.
Maybe we cite what we know (from the NYT source) in the article's prose and leave it out of the infobox? - SummerPhD (talk) 15:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
It's a-me, the above editor (maybe one day I'll deem stop procrastinating and make an actual account). Cartoon Brew would appear to be a very dedicated blog ran by a few guys, but ultimately a tertiary source (even if they don't always source), who take tips for stories. I mean, they seem serious enough to be taken as a reference for a few things (40K page rank ain't too shabby), but considering how that particular article starts with a direct reference to the NYT article, it's reasonable to assume they got the number from there. The next result from Google for "foodfight budget" is written by this guy, who at three articles per day is also unlikely an insider journalist.
I think that's indeed enough doubt to exclude budget from the infobox and include the known information in prose. I'll do so between today and tomorrow, so feel free to monitor if any of my edits there could be improved. 201.190.31.64 (talk) 04:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Images response[edit]

I understand your concerns on the images from the Cornelius Inc page. I just wanted to make the page look a little nicer but if you don't like the pictures that's fine. Can you help review my page with the user Secret to undelete it as I believe I have made some fantastic changes that comply with all the rules — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcshanemichael90 (talkcontribs) 15:17, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

CSD question[edit]

Hello,

You tagged "Sammy Strong" for deletion, but I only made it a redirect to his mother Tara Strong. Any particular reason you CSD'd a redirect? Just thought I'd ask.

Cheers, Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Another editor had created a full article, most likely about himself and was reverting attempts to change it back to the redirect. The same editor has been creating fictional future films and amusement park rides based on them well into the future (2020 and beyond).
If you feel the redirect is warranted, feel free to recreate it. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:50, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I see..... thanks for explaining Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Posting with sources[edit]

Hello! I appreciate your feedback on the Jackie Burns Wikipedia page, I am obviously new at this thing. However, I know the date of her birth because she says it on a youtube interview, and the year because I personally asked her on twitter. Is that reliable enough? Also, I'm having a very hard time understanding all of this Wiki editing... Forgive me. All the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackieburns0707 (talkcontribs) 03:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

There is a lot to learn. A decent place to start is Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset. There are a lot of other rules ("policies") and suggestions ("guidelines") that apply to specific situations, but you don't have to worry about those right away.
The youtube interview is one of those specific situations. We cannot use it unless it was posted to youtube by the copyright holder. If, for example, the interview is with a television program, we can use it only if it was added to youtube by the show or the show's production company. If the twitter account is her official account, I'd recommend using that. Simply re-add the information to the article and cite it: immediately after the first use of the date, add <ref>[www.example.com]</ref>. I'll watch for it and fill in the more detailed cite (which you can read more about when you have a chance]]. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Manic Pixie Dream Girl Help :)[edit]

Hi there!

I am in a class at Cornell University and our assignment is to edit an article on Wikipedia. My group is currently trying to improve the Manic Pixie Dream Girl article and we noticed that you have been active on its talk page. We were wondering if you would be willing to be our Wikipedia spirit guide during the process if we need pointers on how to improve our editing skills in adherence to Wikipedia guidelines.

Best, Aquamarine315 (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Kes and use of the word "fuck"[edit]

Hi. I see that you've reverted my edit.

First, so that you know what I mean, you can hear it if you listen closely at 1:47:00 on here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU3fSRUCMdU It's not very clear as there's so much arguing going on. I think that this fact meant that it got through with a U certificate for so long.

The article on Fuck doesn't seem to have many citations, which I felt safe to add this. I thought that I'd act in the old spirit of WP:IAR and add this bit of information, which I find very interesting. The film Kes must have been one of the first British films to have so much profanity, yet it got a U certificate. I wonder whether this was because the film was in Yorkshire dialect, which the BBFC would probably not have been familiar with, and they weren't always following what was being said.

Is there any way that I can get some reference to Kes into this article?

Thanks. Epa101 (talk) 03:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The problem here is that the information is trivial synthesis. We do not have reliable sources discussing the whole situation, we have reliable sources discussing various bits and pieces that you have added together to form the whole situation. Your conclusions may or may not be true. Let's assume for the moment they are. Is this a significant piece of the history of the word "fuck"? If it is, why haven't reliable sources discussing the word "fuck"? If it is not significant to the history of the word, it does not belong in the article. (In fact, it is possible that if you do find a source discussing the whole situation, it might not be significantly about the word and therefore would not belong in the article.) - SummerPhD (talk) 04:44, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I understand your reasons.
On the one hand, I don't see why my edit was any more trivial than the rest of the section on films in the article. You might not be aware that Kes is a famous and well-regarded film in Britain, but it is obscure in the rest of the world and never had a national release in the USA. The swearing in the film (mostly swear words peculiar to Britain) has caused some discussion, given that the film is used in schools as part of the syllabus. On the other hand, I don't have an independent source for my claim and I think that the odds of finding one are negligible, so I'll leave the article as it is. I can understand that, in the long history of the word fuck, this wasn't a big occasion.
Have a nice weekend. Epa101 (talk) 20:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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Bill Lichtenstein article[edit]

Hi SummerPhD. I just rolled back seven IP edits at Bill Lichtenstein that appear to be motivated by hostility to the subject. I have invited the IP to discuss them on the talk page and have also initiated discussion at the article. I see you have expressed the same concerns I have on the article talk page, with additional research that indicates a possible series of editors that are possibly the same editor with a hostile agenda going back years. I have never heard of Lichtenstein and have no connection to anyone who does, but this case stood out as I rarely am motivated to roll back so many edits. If you get a chance, take a look at the article and see what you think. Thanks. Jusdafax 07:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Applejuicefool / Diet Coke and Mentos article talk[edit]

There was some comment on the talk page regarding whether Diet Coke should be specified in the title of the article, since any carbonated beverage seems to have some efficacy in this sort of exercise. I was not simply discussing the topic, but responding specifically to those concerns. Diet Coke is appropriate as a title because it seems to spew the best with Mentos, in part for the reason I offered. I recognize that I may not have clearly expounded that reason for my comments, but that was the intent. Applejuicefool (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

The possibility of a name change last died out over 3 years ago. If you would like to resurrect the issue on the talk page, you'll likely have problems re WP:COMMONNAME. The majority of reliable sources cited specify Diet Coke. (Additionally, there is some indication that diet sodas in general -- and Diet Coke in particular -- work better. - SummerPhD (talk) 21:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

So how was my comment less worthy of the talk page than the "Glucose" comment you commented on but did not consign to "Off-Topic Chat"? Mine was at least scientifically valid, and relevant to the title discussion I mentioned before. Applejuicefool (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Your comment offers your personal speculation regarding the reaction. As we certainly cannot cite your speculation (<ref>Applejuicefool, "Talk:Diet Coke and Mentos eruption".</ref>?), there is nothing that contributes in any way toward improving the article. Yes, I handled a comment from a one-off IP editor differently in 2013 than I handled a comment from a returning editor today. I'm guessing in December 2013 I didn't think the IP was likely to see a warning and responded by quickly killing the idea. With your edit, I wanted to be sure you were aware that your comment strayed from the purpose of the talk page. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 21:22, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Batman and robin[edit]

The information I added, I got from box office mojo.com. So I'll just add that when I restore it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.101.152.251 (talk) 20:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

As you are editing in defiance of a block, all of your edits are being reverted as vandalism, per WP:EVADE. When your block expires, feel free to discuss the disputed issue on the article's talk page. Please note you will need to cite sources that actually say what you are adding to the article. The source gives numbers, it does not say "box office bomb" or "underperformed overseas". - SummerPhD (talk) 02:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

(174.101.152.251 has been blocked for evasion. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC))

Foodfight! Edit[edit]

Hi. I've noticed you've reverted my edits of Foodfight! The error seems to be that you don't consider Den of Geek an acceptable source. I can begrudgingly agree with your first edit (although New York Times also seems to hold similar sentiments for the production, so I might use that instead)

The second usage of the source is where I take issue however. I was mainly quoting time magazine, and used Den of Geek for a secondary source. The main reason I used Den of Geek was that I found the quote through them, and I found the article through them. I feel that they deserve some credit for the source since the Times article wasn't even about the movie in question. --Deathawk (talk) 05:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

In reverting your edits, I missed the Time cite. I've restored that portion, along with a bit more. I still don't like the blog cite. If you feel it should remain, please take it up on the article's talk page so that we can get some input from additional editors. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 06:13, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

re: January 2014 (One More Night (Maroon 5 song) and One More Night (Phil Collins song))[edit]

Hello! You've reverted my information adding [20] in [One More Night (Maroon 5 song)]] because didn't provide a reliable source. As I've that information came from One More Night (Phil Collins song) (as I've pointed out in edit summary), e should remove it from that article too?

And even more the statement that One More Night (Phil Collins song) hit number has no source, should we clean it out? (Maroon 5 song has source). --Perrry Mason Paul Della (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. The unsourced statements from January 2014 for the Phil Collins song have been removed. Have a nice day. --Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 20:35, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, that was easy. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Discussion on the admin noticeboard about 'Best known for IP'[edit]

I've started a discussion on the admin noticeboard about the Best known for IP, which could be of interest. PhilKnight (talk) 11:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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