User talk:SamEV/Archive 3

• Archive 1 7/2004 – 10/11/2007
• Archive 2 10/11/2007 – 12/31/2009

Message on my user page?

Hello. A message was left on my page (listed under my IP address 72.146.113.199) saying that an edit I made to Jose Feliciano's article has been reverted, as it was not constructive. I have never been on his article and cannot find my IP address on the revision history for the page. Why was this message left? Chitoryu12 (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sobre el E-mail

Hola Sam, esto es una respuesta a lo que me mandaste por e-mail: Para ser honesto en verdad no se lo que quise decir con esa palabra. Probablemente fue un error mio pero en estos momentos no tengo idea. Voy a leerla de nuevo para ver si me puedo dar cuenta de que es lo queria decir con el "Sparking"..jejeje. Bueno, muchas gracias. Lamentablemente, estoy un poco retirado de wikipedia porque estoy en la universidad y me esta ocupando mucho tiempo pero espero que pronto pueda hacer mis aportes a WP. EdwinCasadoBaez (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

re: your message

Hi Sam, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 ^talk 20:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Are you sure?

I only added it because his party, Dominican Liberation Party, calls themselves social democrats now, i don't know about the future.. The truth is, i'm not that sure. --TIAYN (talk) 21:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hehe, i'll check into it. Seeing that he is leader of a country, it won't be that hard to find a reliable source. --TIAYN (talk) 22:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem

Hi Sam, I didn't even remember that discussion. I tell you what, my vote would have been different now that I know your commitment to the subject. Feliz Año, --Jmundo (talk) 13:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello SamEV! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 873 article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:

1. Hiromi Hayakawa - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 06:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

For the record—because I'm going to remove this section sometime soon—when I created the article I sourced the three sentences I wrote ([1], [2]). But the source was later removed, with the claim that it was a Wikipedia mirror site ([3]), as it seems to be, indeed; though I don't know if that became the case since, or was so three years ago when I used it. But the information on Hayakawa itself couldn't have been a self-reference, since the external source's article predated the Wikipedia article. SamEV (talk) 17:49; 15 January 2010 (UTC), 04:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Ur

Coloured to colored to coloured. I think the obviously American editor simply changed what he assumed to be a spelling error. If you know what English spelling dialect is being used, could you place the template on the talk page? We really don't do this often enough. I've seen lots of "spelling corrections" and most are inadvertent. It would be easier to point to a pre-existing template claim. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 13:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Abraham

Johncoz's edits seem pretty minor (and reasonable) to me. If I were he I'd avoid giving glosses and explanations (e.g. the correct location of Ur) in the summary-of-narrative section and put them in later in a separate section, but it won't keep me up nights.

I think that article is likely to be contentious/antagonistic - it doesn't matter to the majority of people, but to the minority who car it matters a lot.

Please don't feel obligated to me to do any editing, but if you do I'll watch with interest :) PiCo (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi there! I guess I'm done with Abraham, at least for the moment. So feel free to hack away :-) Johncoz (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll just be watching the page out of interest, but I have a few other things on my plate that need attendting to Johncoz (talk) 00:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, but your edit on Abe's dates alerted me to problems with the dating sections, and in starting to deal with that I ended up doing rather more than originally anticipated (with some prudent edits by PiCo) Johncoz (talk) 04:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Have a look at the article which begins on 146 of this book - fascinating. The article really should have something on such things (i.e., the literary art within the story) PiCo (talk) 09:15, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

blogs and blogs

Apparently, blogs are not considered reliable sources due to being self-published, or contributed by nonprofessional writers outside of editorial control. If a newspaper rebrands their columns online as "blogs" in their desperate attempts to survive new media, this doesn't automatically make them unreliable, according to WP:RS anyway. – RVJ (talk) 01:59, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Selena

Hey! I saw your post. I know Selena is from the United States of America, did I put something else? if so, please help me by showing me thanks! AJona1992 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC).

Yea, I do understand where you are coming from about the article. BUT, There are thousands of things missing in that article!!! Where's the "Stage" sub-title? Selena got her nick name "Mexican-Madonna" because of it, and the leading article should have Selena's record sales, why she was nick-named Queen of Tejano, EMI and Sony Records offers, and her Products. Selena's filmography is WRONG she appeard on more shows then those listed. Even though, that's a featured article readers need to know the TRUTH and not a basic article that only tells of simple things, for that it should be on the Simple English version of the Selena page. But the English version needs more information there are thousands of things missing and this article Selena that I will be re-creating will meet wiki's standards. But again thank you for your concern because I need to know what wiki needs; oh and also if you don't mind can you give me all the wiki helps on creating an article like Selena? and what would be best needed? thanks and have a great day! AJona1992 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC).

Re:Talk H/L Ams

Thanks for your comments, SamEV. Although I'd certainly prefer the discussion not to be on top of the talk-page, the reason to let it on display is that such views will come again more sooner than later, so it is possible that such a discussion can help someone to moderate his/her attempted interventions, or at least to think about his/her prejudices twice. On the other hand, the timing of the 2010 census you mention is certainly worth considering, so I let the handling of this issue entirely at your criterium. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 17:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

RE:WLA

That's cool i like the Olympics myself except for the curling and cross country skiing i most like to watch the Hockey,

But i think sk may have found a few already i am trying to ask him who he has found i dont want to waste time looking for duplicate sources--Wikiscribe (talk) 06:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Columbian Exchange

Nice catch there. Cheers, ClovisPt (talk) 21:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Popclock

Thanks for the correction here. I think I must have made that error by blitzing through my watchlist too fast. I see a lot of that kind of thing and it's almost always an error. I clearly missed seeing that this was an exception. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Selena

WHAT??? i'm sorry but can you please be more clear again AJona1992 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:22, 21 February 2010 (UTC).

I still say it shouldn't be there: there as in in place of his real nationality. I have no problem with both his nationality and his ethnicity's being mentioned; you're the one who don't want the bio to say that he's American. As I said, "Mexican American" is not his nationality. Let's take this to his talk page, shall we? SamEV (talk) 22:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Americans of Dominican Republic descent

Hi Sam

Just a quick note to ask whether you might reconsider your opposition to the speedy renaming of Category:Americans of Dominican Republic descent to Category:American people of Dominican Republic descent, at WP:CFD/S?

You are of course quite title to object if you want to, and then we can have a full discussion at WP:CFD, but your suggested names do seem a bit odd to me (they include redundant words), and they don't fit the convention of either of the parent categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Americans of Dominican Republic descent

After an objection to the proposed speedy renaming of Category:Americans of Dominican Republic descent, the category has now been nominated for a full discussion to seek consensus on the suggested renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. But I don't believe that that process works. SamEV (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:CFD is a forum where consensus can be sought on changes, and where anyone can participate. Like other things on wikipedia, it may not be perfect, but it's all we've got.

However, the fact that you were prepared to oppose a speedy renaming was what triggered a full discussion. That has involved quite a bit of work from other edits, and the only reason that work was necessary was that you insisted that there should be a full discussion. If you aren't then prepared to contribute to that discussion to explain the case for your preference, then it's hard to sustain the presumption that your original objection was made in good faith; it looks more like a form of disruption. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I think I have the right to lose faith in a process midway through it without my motives' being impugned. I gave a valid reason for my opposition at the Speedy, and that should take care of any argument that it was disruption. I don't have to restate, at the full CfD, why I opposed the rename, because the discussion from the Speedy proposal was copied to the full CfD proposal.

Thank you, BrownHairedGirl. I think you're sincere. But I really don't find enough good faith from others over there, so I really don't want to participate. SamEV (talk) 19:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

It's a moot issue anyway, I see on my watchlist. SamEV (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

After a recent close that actually went against consensus, and seeing the way these guys (I don't mean BHG - she's one of the very few fair and reasonable people over there) stack debates and ignore any opposition to their bogus claims and their often mindless global-standardi(z)ation campaign, I think DRV is really your only hope - get the damn thing overturned. Orderinchaos 05:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll consider it, though I'm very averse to dealing with that crowd any more. SamEV (talk) 05:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I understand the sentiment well. Orderinchaos 05:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Philippines again

Hello SamEV! Hope all is well. We seem to have another editor trying to make the Philippines an hispanic nation. Again... It's Banananana88. I reverted him, bur we should keep an eye... Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 15:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Quoted text

What's the issue here? I don't see any quoted text. Colonies Chris (talk) 00:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I failed to notice that one. Thanks for reinstating it. Colonies Chris (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

American

In this sort of context it always means the US. In geographical articles it might mean the continent. So I don't think unlinking it here introduces any ambiguity. Colonies Chris (talk) 01:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Sam, thanks for your inquiry on Chris's page. I've come here to endorse what he says: "American" is rarely used in the sense of "the Americas", and on those rare occasions, only in that (historical) context; I can't remember having ever seen it, though. We have "North American" (pertaining to Canada and the US), "American" (the US), "Central American" (Mexico to Panama, although some may dispute the inclusion of Mexico), and "South American". These are the common usages understood by English-speakers, and they do not normally require a link. Unfortunately, the habit of linking common anglophone national names and demonyms started early on when wikilinking was a whizz-bang new function and was used without discipline. Wikilinks now need to be applied with skill in their choice and piping; one of the main reasons is to avoid the dilution of high-value links in the vicinity, and to reduce the peppering of WP's text with unnecessary bright-blue spots. Tony (talk) 01:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Surely you are not suggesting that readers should have to divert to a link to find out what "American" means? "X is an American singer-songwriter who began his career with ...". Ummm .... no. Tony (talk) 05:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Article help

Hi there, just wandered if you could help with a disagreement about the Spanish Mexican article as to what the article is about...its was started it seems to be about mexicans of spanish descent but the disagreement is with someone one doesnt feel that the article is either needed and just tinks the crillos article is enough which it isnt...anyway they also seem t think its about recent immigrants from spain and not the descendents of spanish immigrants over the mexican history...can you help since it should be inline with all the other ethnic groups in Mexico likeFrench Mexican etc...otherwise the article name needs to be changed to stop other disputes...think you can help ,read on the talk page of the article..Puertorico1 (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hispanic and Latino Americans

Strictly speaking you're correct. I shouldn't have changed it. However, it didn't change the sense in any way, and anyone who chose to search for that title would be extremely unwise to expect to find exactly those quoted words with exactly those abbreviations. For example, it may well be that the original has Sept or Oct without the full stop, or that it has Sep rather than Sept. So the practical effect of the change is negligible. I'll revert it nonetheless. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:46, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Rahgdl

Hello Sam. I just wanted to leave this short comment. I've seen user Rahgld's edits in the past months and now I'm able to say that I think he's been boostering everything related to Mexico's amerindians. First he wants to include nahuatl, then add nahuatls translations, then Aztec or amerindian pictures all over the Mexico article, then he also modified the demographic figures in the article... and much more.

Now he's doing the same in Latin America. He's just being disruptive and if you need help to keep the articles in good shape, just let me know. I'm so frustrated because of biased people. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 11:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay first of all, Covarrubias you are the one pushing an anti-amerindian agenda which is evident by your attempts to remove all images regarding indigenous peoples fromthe Mexico aticle and by the fact that you have outright lied to cover information you disagree with. And i'm sorry to bother you, but Indigenos people are quite relevent in Latin America, something you repeatedl deny. Secondly where do you get off spreading bias, and lies about my supposed "amerindian agenda" to other users? The following explains my resoning for the Latin America changes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Latin_America#European_Population_2 . If you have something to say about me then say it to me.Rahlgd (talk) 02:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks SamEV for helping me out on the formatting errors on the Latin America page. I'm currently trying to compile information for the article that is recent and from the same source, but it's not as easy as i would hope to find though. Thanks. Rahlgd (talk) 04:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, Chief

This guy. --Morenooso (talk) 08:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

You beat me to Univision. We must have hit the save button at the same time but your edit won out. I wonder when these editors will get the message?

Are you any good at creating redirects? Wcquidditch used a great wikilink in reverting the program guide on Univision. His line read Wikipedia is not an electronic programming guide and was wikilinked to WP:NOTDIR or in non-wiki markup: [[WP:NOTDIR|Wikipedia is not an electronic programming guide]]. Reason I ask about creating redirects is because I believe the navbox to the upper right of that section should include [[WP:NOTTVGUIDE]]. Someone would have to build that redirect and add it to the navbox.--Morenooso (talk) 02:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Could you create a redirect to St.Paul - O.L.V. School from St. Paul - Our Lady of Vilna School ??? This school was re-listed on AfD and I saw the relisting while on Recent Change Patrol. Article is looookkkking good. --Morenooso (talk) 07:14, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

A talkpage is lighting up. Hope you see it. --76.234.21.200 (talk) 07:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Reverts

Stop trying to make it seem as if I "have issues". Obviously, you may, since all you do is revert so that it will remain what you want it to remain. I'm only adding information that there are sources for. Can't you do simple math to convert numbers into percentages? To top that off, I'm not over-doing it with the statistics. I'm using lower numbers than might be the case. And in white american, what is so "issue" causing about noting the white Hispanic population after it lists the peoples it counts? It lists Europeans, North African, Middle Easterners. Then, it should mention the "Hispanic" "non-Hispanic" population. Do you have issues? C.Kent87 (talk) 20:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

There's 0.0 reason for converting irrelevant numbers into percentages or fractions, decimals, or anything else.

And no, I'm issue-free. But thanks for asking. SamEV (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Edit warring by User:68.34.12.93/User:Therock40756

I've added the article in question to my watchlist. I don't see a 3RR violation tonight, but I'll be keeping an eye on what happens to the article in the future. —C.Fred (talk) 05:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, he would be reportable to WP:AN3 for edit warring. Although three revers in 24 hours is a good rule of thumb, it's not absolute: given that he's been warned for it, if he continues to revert without discussion, that's edit warring by definition, regardless of the time interval between edits. —C.Fred (talk) 06:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:H/L Americans

Sam, it is always good to hear from a good friend. I'm glad that you liked some of the additions. I don't know, I had nothing to do today and I told myself "Why not expand some of the sections". I must have taken Jose Rodriguez out by mistake, I don't know. If you feel that he belongs there, be my guest. I also agree that maybe Herman Santiago is a little outweighted. There is one thing though, I maybe wrong, but I think that Santiago and Richie Valens may have been the Hispanic pioneers in the American Rock and Roll scene. Anyway, Sam you and I are like brothers here, therefore I will be fine with anything that you do. Saludos, Tony the Marine (talk) 03:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Distinguished service

		The Huelga Shield
		In recognition of your valued support and not because you like lucha libre. Morenooso (talk) 07:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Time to earn your huevos. --Morenooso (talk) 14:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Where you been? Somebody dusted-up your favorite movie today. Slacker.--Morenooso (talk) 21:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I'm still trying to earn that barnstar.

A bear hug for you. If that's not too weird. SamEV (talk) 20:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

re: your message

Hi Sam, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 ^talk 00:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

re:Sandbox

Ok then well I would like to add more information there by tomorrow. So if anything, I will contact you via your talk page (here) to tell you when I am done. Thank you! AJona1992 (talk) 01:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:

Feel free to propose desired changes on proper article's talk page. - Darwinek (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Latin America

Hey SamEv, thanks for the heads up. My job a setting a Virtual Office at my house, so I will have an extra couple of hrs. a day to help out on Wikipedia. I will do my part to contribute to the page, thanks again. Jesusmariajalisco (talk) 02:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

On accents.

Hi, my friend. I do not think Google can be of service in this issue, as most websites in English drop the accent marks even in the cases in which they should be there. Wikipedia is one of the few sites that properly use the accent marks. Here I'm simple using the bottomline criterion of being born in PR, but may be you are right. I do not know how to move the title back. Thanks for your input. --Againme (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

An adittional problem is that, with education generally dropping all over our Hemisphere, people do not use the accent marks any more even in Latin American countries, but ortography still applies, so at least in Spanish Wikipedia the let's-see-how-he/she-spells-it criterion is not useful... --Againme (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi again my fellow Wikipedian. I think that yours is a very good proposal, although I seriously doubt that "Printed sources tend to have no problem with special characters". I've bought books in major stores in Manhattan, by bestselling educated and recomendable authors, for example Jared Diamond, without accent marks even when they unmistakenly should have included them, for example Aerolineas Argentinas instead of Aerolíneas Argentinas. Also I have a little Taliban attitude towards following orthography over personal choices... In conclusion: maybe your proposal is the best available in our unperfect world, but I fear that it could lead to supress most accent marks in names... --Againme (talk) 14:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

One of Wikipedia's strengths is its redirects; if the title of an article is missing the accents you can create a redirect that has them (and vice verse). — Robert Greer (talk) 14:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Robert: we know that. Sam: Perfect, let´s do that, only that I don´t have the time to do it (I had to take a second job to pay for my apartment's furniture) :) --Againme (talk) 22:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Hey ok just tell me when your done AJona1992 (talk) 21:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Spanish IPA

As it currently stands, we transcribe Spanish in a pan-dialectal way, such that ‹z› and soft ‹c› are /θ/, despite being [s] in all of Latin America. If the local pronunciation is particularly important, the switch "local" can be added to the {{IPA-es}} template, like this:

• {{IPA-es|ˈsantʃeθ}} → Spanish pronunciation: [ˈsantʃeθ]
• {{IPA-es|ˈsantʃes|local}} → locally [ˈsantʃes]

But then it may be important to apply less salient local characteristics, like [h] for /s/, etc, and you quickly get bogged down in detail, which is why we try to use a very broad transcription. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of forcing the /θ/ (or the /ʎ/ for ‹ll›) on Latin American names, for many reasons. In general I leave them as I find them, and my suggestion would be to do the same. But exercise your own judgement. As for any other errors/discrepancies, continue to be bold! It's good to have another editor looking over these IPA transcriptions, and any input you may have for WP:IPA for Spanish (or any of the other WP:IPA for XX pages) would be appreciated. Cheers! — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 20:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)