User talk:Magioladitis

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A couple of talk page questions

Greetings and happy new year. I hope you don't mind but I have noticed some more talk page things and I hoped you wouldn't mind calrifying.

1. I have noticed a bunch that have the DEFAULTSORT template and I wonder if this is appropriate for a talk page
2. Same goes for Categories. Are there certain categories that are or aren't appropriate for talk pages?
3. I have also seen some formatting issues that might make good AWB fixes. Here are a couple:
   1. most parameters (especially class, priority, importance and the like) do not work if the first digit is upper case (IE Class versus class). I have logic that fixes about 20 or 30 of the main ones but it might be worth adding.
   2. the parameter = is sometimes missing so it says something like |start|low|instead of class=Start|importance=low.
   3. I have seen some parameters that say things like class-start vice class=start.

I have logic that fixes a lot of these but I thought it might be worth adding to AWB. --Kumioko (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy new year! Let's see:

1. If |listas= already exists, DEFAULTSORT is useless and probably an old leftover.
2. Try to write your logic in a custom module and then we 'll try to add it in AWB's code. I recommend you make a bot account to fix these cases because I bet they are many. Reedy said he is gonna rewrite the KingbotK plugin in C# so I guess we are gonna need some logic to fix parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I can add it to the module and the bot account is already pending. Not sure how long itll take, but its in the works. --Kumioko (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I added a couple more projects hereand I added some of the code mentioned above. A note about the code though. I was having trouble getting it to make the changes when the parameters show up on multiple lines so it sometimes needs to be reparsed a couple times when the changes appear on multiple lines. Also, because of this a byproduct of the code is that it moves all the parameters into a continuous string rather than being on multiple lines. I'm not sure how to fix that yet so if you have any ideas please let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

An article that needs your help.

Would you run Yobot on Arkansas Militia in the Civil War? The references could really use your assistance. Thanks. Aleutian06 02:12, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Done! I am so happy that someone asked me something like that. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

...and a small advice: Try avoiding using contstructs like "ibid" in citations. I can help with more stuff tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that would have taken me days to do myself.Aleutian06 02:44, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The Great Arkansas Barnstar

		The Great Arkansas Barnstar
		I award you the GAB for your work on the series History of The Arkansas National Guard Aleutian06 02:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! That's a good start for the new year :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Refpunc issues

[1] While the script moved punctuation, it left repeated punctuation. Did you write the module or regexes for this? Would you like a pointer on how to improve this? Gimmetoo (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Any advice, comments are useful. I didn't write any module. I used the built-in WikiFunctions.Parse.Parsers.RefsAfterPunctuation function from AWB. So, please, my talk page is ready for suggestions :) Thanks in advance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious. Since when was this part of AWB? Especially considering the evident bugs, how did this ever get BAG approval?

Anyway, ages ago I made a script User:Gimmetrow/fixRefs.js to do this sort of task. It avoids most of the obvious bugs and has a couple years of user testing behind it. However, it's impossible to avoid all problems with this task, because you can't fully anticipate everything in human writing. I seem to recall automatic bot tasks being denied because these edits do take some human review, even if the error rate is 1%. Gimmetoo (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the script. I'll give a look. Some short answers: This part of AWB for a long time. My approval can be found in Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Yobot_16. Since November the Chicago style become official style in all pages. Check WP:REFPUNC and its talk page. I wouldn't characterise the above as a bug. I would say the the logic just fails to fix some cases and in these cases human review is needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Here's the thing. If all a script does is move punctuation appearing after a ref so it appears before, then the script mishandles a lot of cases. It mishandles multiple punctuation marks, it may mishandle various forms of spacing, and it is likely to miss other errors. My estimate at the time was that some 20% of articles would end up unfixed with that method, either through exchanging one error for another, or simply not making all the corrections. For an automated, high-volume task, that should be unacceptable. A script that handles spacing and multiple punctuation marks will catch a lot more. My script also moved citation tags (though this was before dated cite tags and I never updated it). It does have problems with ellipses (which could be handled) and abbreviations (which would be difficult to handle in general), but, a javascript tool still has a person press save, so the person is responsible for checking for these issues. Code that is used fully-automatically should meet a higher standard. Gimmetoo (talk) 16:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

With AWB, if the punctuation after and before is the same, then the later is removed. I'll check the code to update the manual with which cases are handled. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Part 1 is fine. Part 2 maybe it isn't. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot

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Found a bug! Brandon (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. Already fixed. Moreover, I went and replace |OR= with |original research= everywhere inside Multiple issues to prevent the bug happening again from others using older versions of AWB. I even created a tracking category to regularly replace this cases (Category:Articles using Multiple issues with deprecated parameters. Finally I made a script so anyone can fix this (User:Yobot/Multiple issues). -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

User: Magioladitis

Thanks for the help on John Hope Bryant. I would greatly appreciate anymore suggestions on how to improve John Hope Bryant. Thanks again -Scoop_prado (talk) 01:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC) scoop_prado (talk) 03:13, 4 January 2011

Re: Yobot

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I've reported an edit change @ Yobot. If you list an edit w/ that handle, that's the handle to which I reply. I don't understand this setup & I don't like it. I'm reporting it the higher level editors. Tapered (talk) 07:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Check what Yobot really did. It only added a date to the tag. It's not Yobot who asked about the citation ("cn" stands for "citation needed") but another editor. Thanks for adding a reference though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The good folks who answer mail @ Wikipedia Central responded to my complaint, and very kindly set me straight. My bad. My aplogies. Tapered (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank for your good Work on Wikipedia

Bonjour Yobot, All the best for the New Year. I hope you have a 2011 with happiness, peace and serenity.Enjoy prend soin de toi, אני אוהב אותך --Geneviève (talk) 21:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Please be careful

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This edit is wrong. The ship's designation is BB-56. Thanks, Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I know but words inside defaultsort should not have internal capitalisation. -- User:Magioladitis 23:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot edit

Could you please look at this edit made by Yobot? I think the parameter value was wrong (I've changed it from two references to one {{URL}} template, but you may want to consider whether Yobot needs to be changed. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Rare bug. We could run a database scan to fix them of course. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Xenobot request

Hey, I'm Hunter Kahn. I had asked a question to CBM about the Xenobot request I want to make, and you said I can just leave the preferred template name blank and specify the WikiProject and task force you want added. I just wanted to make sure, how exactly do I write this? If this is an automated bot request, I don't want to put in anything wrong and then screw up the Television templates already on the many WikiProject TV articles. How exactly do I do this? (Also, what does the default logic field in that bot request form mean exactly?) Sorry to be a pest, but any help you could give would be appreciated. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 04:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Xeno (a real person and not a bot!) reviews everything. So don't worry. They 'll take the form and read it. Go for it. (Default means the name it's gonna added in the pages. Then xeno will load all redirects of the name and change them to this one. Nowadays this is useless since all wikiprojects follow the standard name "WikiProject foo". In old days the name of the project had the "wikiproject" in the beginning or at the end and with random capitalisation. Check WP:STANDARDIZE foe details on the history). Don't worry asking. It makes us all better. Happy editing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Bot requests for WP:AWB/GF

Hope you can give me some guidance on WP etiquette for requesting bots to use AWB to do general fixes. For example:

• After adding {{Autobiography}} to WP:AWB/TR and WP:AWB/DT, I loaded Category:Autobiographical articles into AWB to fix the redirects, add dates to the template, and merge the template into {{Multiple issues}}.
• When running AWB over Category:Year of birth missing (living people) to see which articles have the year of birth included, I noticed AWB uses the general fixes to get the right year of birth category on many articles.

Is it OK to ask you to run AWB on these maintenance categories, and other requests in the future? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Running now:

•  Done Convert YOB missing to YOB missing (LP) when page is a BLP. 121 edits.
•  Done Add YOB in page with YOB missing (LP) if possible. 103 edits.
•  DoneGenfixes on Autobiographical articles. 330 edits. We need dated categories!
• Convert POB missing to POB missing (LP) when page is a BLP.

-- Magioladitis (talk) 09:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

You mentioned that we needed dated categories. Do you know why Yobot didn't add the dated category in this edit? When I ran Paul Horiuchi through AWB (7522) again, it automatically added Category:1906 births. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, in this edit didn't remove {{Multiple issues}} |wikify=. Does Yobot have Auto Tag turned off? GoingBatty (talk) 20:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not. My version (5728) doesn't remove the wikify tag. diff. Why does yours? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know - that's what I was asking you. :-) I don't have anything special set to remove it (e.g. custom module, Find/Replace). GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

This is a riddle: My version (5728) thinks (wrongly) page isn't wikified, your version (5722) disagrees. We both use only general fixes. Here comes the most fun: 7523: irrelevant dll update, 7524-7525: comments, 7526: irrelevant change to CiteTemplateDates, 7527-7528: unrelated changes for non-enwiki. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you run Yobot against everything in Category:Year of birth missing (living people) today? My AWB wants to remove the category from Dejan Joksimović, which hasn't been edited since December. I didn't hit the save button, so you could look at it too. I'd be happy to send you my settings file if you'd like (and if you tell me the default location & name for the settings file). Anything else I can do to help solve this riddle? GoingBatty (talk) 00:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I added it birth/death categories to 300 pages until my laptop crashed because I was running AWB non-stop for some days. You can stop your settings in my sandbox with copy-paste. Your settings file are in the folder "C:\Documents and Settings\user name\Local Settings\Application Data\AutoWikiBrowser" (Windows XP) or "C:\Users\user name\AppData\Local\AutoWikiBrowser\" (Windows 7). The filename is Default.xlm (Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Frequently_asked_questions). -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me to the FAQ. I could have also seen the filename by clicking File-Save Settings - sorry about that. I turned off my Find and Replace and RegExTypoFix and posted my settings in User:GoingBatty/Sandbox. I reverted my change to Kinda Hibrawi so it now has the wikify tag again. When I run my AWB against Kinda Hibrawi, it wants to remove the wikify tag. However, when I run it against User:Magioladitis/Sandbox (which seems to have the same content), it does NOT want to remove the wikify tag. GoingBatty (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

diff. I am confused. -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm confused too. Could it be that AWB didn't remove the wikify tag in the first pass because of the combination of other gen fixes it was doing? GoingBatty (talk) 04:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Tagger works only in mainspace. Yes, it's probable that wikify needs two edits in the case you described me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

So presuming we have solved the mystery, could you please try running Yobot against Category:Year of birth missing (living people) again when you have a chance? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I am at the moment, but there are very few cases I can help. Can you perhaps help with Category:Biography articles without living parameter? The idea is to add birth/death categories in the main page. Then, by bot comes. Try adding Category:Living people for example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I tried a few, and they were all dead people. Can the bot go first? For example, if the article has a subcategory of Category:Deaths by year, then could the bot set {{WPBiography|living=no}}? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

This is something I already do. The pages there have no birth nor death category in mainspace. As soon as they have one, the bot adds the appropriate banner in the talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The human talk pages I edited each has a death category in mainspace:

• Astafy Dolgopolov has Category:Year of death unknown
• Andrey Aldan-Semenov, Paolo Agosteo, and Karl Aberle have Category:Year of death missing
• Adalbert Eledui has Category:2010 deaths.

Each of these is a subcategory to Category:Deaths by year, hence my request above. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

In fact, you don't have to edit the talk page. Only add categories in the article. The bot will do the rest. Moreover, be careful because Musical groups are part of WikiProject Biography! We tag them as living=yes if at least one band member is alive. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, I won't edit the talk pages anymore. The scope of WP:WikiProject Biography says "It includes only articles the subject of which is a person, not an organization or group, unless a substantial section of the article is a biography of a person related to that organization or group." By this standard, I thought the {{Wikiproject Biography}} template should be removed from Talk:Breaks Co-Op and Talk:Akem Manah (band). Your standard seems a bit different, so feel free to revert my edits if they were incorrect. Maybe the scope statement should be changed so newbies like me don't mess things up? No more editing today. Nice working with you, as always! GoingBatty (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot: DMY template

Is there any possibility that yobot can recognize if dmy is used only and add the template? This would prevent some unneeded extra edits by users, if this is the only timeformat in the article. mabdul 15:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Better request that in WP:AWB/FR. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Suzanne J. Barbieri - problem Yobot edit

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Noticed a problem with this Yobot edit; a 2010 birth year was assigned despite Suzanne J. Barbieri's marriage and active career (e.g. she released music prior to infancy, in 1998). Please check your bot code. Dl2000 (talk) 16:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Know problem with {{Year needed}}. We are working on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Fixed rev 7530 bugfix FixPeopleCategories: ignore dates in maintenance templates. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Kaelan_Joyce

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Hi Bot keeps stating this article is an ORPHAN but it has loads of links on it both internal and external ones. Could you please help? I would very much appreciate it! Thanks --Manolo1234 (talk) 17:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

"Orphan" means "no incoming links". You have to find some articles to link to this one. There are some tools for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I am on it :) --Manolo1234 (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice. I gave you some more work to do. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

WildBot tag removal followup

I've noticed that your bot has stopped removing obsolete Wildbot tags. Should I ask at WP:BOTREQ for someone else to do it or will you continue doing it? — Dispenser 17:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Should I do it in daily basis? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

If you have the time to do (or automate it) it would be helpful. — Dispenser 23:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Oligo

This is actually repeat of my Dec. 23rd post about OLIGO_Primer_Analysis_Software. I have not received any explanation why this entry has 'written like advertisement' comment. I hope you're going to straighten this out this thime. Thanks! Wojciech Rychlik. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.190.19 (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot only dated the tag, You better contact Tstrobaugh in their talk page. They added the tag in first place. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

-Thank you for the info. By the way, do you see any problems with the entry? Wojciech —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.77.113 (talk) 20:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Sort Value Creation Errors

Article: Máel Mocheirge mac Indrechtaig; Yobot's sort value; Indrechtaig, Mael Mocheirge Mac
Article: Lady Gaga; Yobot's sort value; Gaga, Lady
Article: Mōri Motokiyo; Yobot's sort value: Motokiyo, Mori (despite a {{Japanese name}} at the top of the page
Article: Mōri Gorō; Yobot's sort value: Goro, Mori (despite the identification of his father as "Mōri Motonori".
Article: Lê Cung Hoàng; Yobot's sort value: Hoang, Le Cung

I know they were not your fault but the fault of the AWB logic. Still there are too many to allow the process to continue. JimCubb (talk) 23:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I am gathering information to take advantage of Category:Surname clarification templates. First discussion started in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Iceland#Sort_keys_for_Icelandic_names. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

When I first ran into Icelandic names as a sorting problem I looked on as many articles as I could to get a sense of what was really happening. Back then there was a tendency to treat the patronym / matronym as a surname except on Iceland-specific categories. I do not know if that is still true. JimCubb (talk) 00:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint. Feel free to join the discussion there. the more feedback we 'll get the best. Forming a clear consensus for special name cases is the first step to implement the automatoted script and get done with the backlog. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

KKE and Euroscepticism

Hello and thank you for all your contributions to many articles. What i would like to discuss with you is the reason i added Euroscepticism to KKE's ideology. I think that it is an indespensable part of KKE's current ideology as many of its core ideas are based on 1) opposition to the European Union -usually in vociferous campaigns against it - and 2) its support for total withdeawal of Greece from it (as it is stated on its program and its electoral manifesto). Therefore i strongly believe that it should be added in its ideology.

Wait for your response and thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calaveras84 (talk • contribs) 12:21, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I could write a lot here I guess.

• The ideology section in the infobox must be short
• Euroceptism isn't a goode description of the ideology of party and refers more to its politics
• I never read anyone describing KKE as eurosceptic. Do you have any source doing that?

Thanks for contacting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. Thank you for your reply. 1) The ideology section of many parties in wikipedia includes sometimes numerous ideologies (more than 5-6 sometimes) as usually more than 2-3 are applicable.So i dont understand your argument that the infobox must be short. I have never heard that. 2) There are parties that have been created with their sole ideology beeing Euroscepticism. A very good example is the Danish People's movement against the EU - which happens to sit in the same political group with KKE in the European Parliament,or the June list in Sweden. 3) The fact that you may have not heard someone describing KKE as Eurosceptic doesnt mean that it isnt. In Greek media especially during the period of the European elections this term is used. And it is widely known that KKE is totally against the European Union and wants Greece to withdraw from it. If you checked the link i sent you on www.kke.gr (in the section European Union) you will see clearly their policies about it. 4)And let me clear that Euroscepticism is just the position a party holds against the European Union and it is important addition in my opinion because it defines its positive or negative stance against it and ofcourse determines much of the party's policies since the EU is a crucial matter in nowadays European politics. Many left and green parties around Europe use this term especially in Scandinavia and the UK.

Just some thoughts for discourse. Thank you for reading and if you really think it should be eliminated from KKE infobox i will not insist any more as you have more experience in wikipedia editting and i respect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calaveras84 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Avoiding redirects

Regarding this edit by Yobot. Aren't edits like this not only unnecessary, but against guidelines per WP:NOTBROKEN? SFB 14:12, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Not exactly against but they are better to be avoided if nothing else happens. But it's unbelievably hard even to make list comparisons, cover all cases when writing scripts with all these redirects of wikiprojects around. I ran only to fix WPBS because in many cases it crashes my bot run. I should have skipped in the case |1= exists (its absence may cause problems). Sorry for that. -- 14:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

A couple more talk page questions

Greetings, Hope you don't mind asking a couple of questions. I have noticed that some folks are asking that the wildbot tags be removed from talk pages since that bot is apparently not working anymore. Should I add that to my logic and remove those as I go since I am on the page anyway? Also, do you know what the placement should be for things like Mizabot? IMO it should go towards the bottom of the stack but I have seen it in a variety of places including at the very bottom of the page which I am sure isn't correct? Thanks again/ --Kumioko (talk) 22:09, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Always my pleasure to discuss issues with you.

On Wilbot: We should be removing the tags only from pages found here. I am doing it every 3-4 days.

On Mizabot: It certainly should be before the first section. I think, it doesn't matter where exactly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:41, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I am going to move it below the banners and above the first section. --Kumioko (talk) 02:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:LINKROT

Can Yobot hide web urls in references/citations per WP:LINKROT? Aleutian06 18:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you have an example of what should be done? I think AWB does it for many cases already. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

You have worked on Arkansas Militia in the Civil War before, but AustralianRupert left a comment that "in the references/citations, the web urls should be hidden with a template per WP:LINKROT" I was just wondering if there was an easy way to do this since a lot of my references have urls. Aleutian06 23:09, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

That would be difficult to did automatically. I did some work on that article manually. Good luck doing the rest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Removal of {{expand}}

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Still got over 7000 transclusions even after some bot edits. What should we do? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 23:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I am 99% done with 2007 and 2008. I am making now lists for 2009 and I'll go for them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, did you deprecate the "expand" field in {{multiple issues}}, and are you working to remove any instances of it? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 01:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

The field can be OK when |section= is on, to reflect {{Expand section}}. I'll handle these during the weekend. Thanks for the feedback. Keep writing me here whatever you think is useful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I removed |article= from all expand tags. Those with |section= were converted to {{Expand section}}. Now removing all expand tags without any parameters starting form the older ones. I'll handle the ones with parameters later. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. How about transclusions where it's used with {{tl}} ({{tl|expand}}), like in the title of this talk page section? Would those need to be removed too? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 21:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

We usually leave these things untouched. Especially, when they are in talk pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I finished the biggest part. I guess now we need to remove the rest manually. I also fixed all the parameters inside MI. Some more pages may appear in Category:Articles using Multiple issues with deprecated parameters. We also need to modify the template's code to show expnd only if |section= is there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Finally done! {{Expand}} is now gone. Only remaining transclusions are via {{Expand}} or located on abandoned userspace drafts that can probably be taken to MFD. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 22:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot Nomenclator

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A tag has appeared at the top of the article Nomenclator (nomenclature) calling for additional citations. I am curious as to why this has been done when every sentence carries a citation except one sentence which has two. Could you please explain the reasoning?Granitethighs 05:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't add the tag. The tag is here since September 2009! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot making minor changes using AWB

Hi, can you confirm what change has actually been made by this edit [2], although in any case I believe this minor edit should not have been made as per [3]. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not minor. It fixed the placement of the punctuation which is a very good thing to do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Mine Rescue Chamber

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You and/or your bot placed the following tag on this article {{multiple issues|orphan =April 2010|globalize =April 2010|wikify = January 2011}}

Even though your tag invited editors to review information concerning this tag to visit the talk page there were no posts on the talk page concerning the tag. This page is a direct daughter article to a page I monitor, 2010 Copiapó mining accident. I would like to know exactly which policies this article violates and how so I can work to fix them. If you are going to slap article tags around then you should post in the article's talk pages about why you tagged the article and what in your opinion needs to be done to rectify the issues you have with the article. Cheers! Veriss (talk) 07:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Let's see:

• Wikify: I did it. Added 1 more link, fixed external link, improved reference style.
• Orphan: AWB bug. It should remove the tag. Fixed now.
• Globalize: It wasn't added by me. Page needs to cover more examples and not only stating the US federal law.

I hope this helps! Thanks for contacting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Donald H. Balch Article

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Magioladitis,

Does your bot do "Persona" information at the bottom of articles? Donald H. Balch needs it and I've added the "Persona" as an attribute in the WikiProject on the talkpage. If it can be done or the WikiProjects be assessed by you it would be appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Got the first name wrong, re-wrote the link. Adamdaley (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I checked the page. You got it right. Happy editing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing Orphan Tags and Unreviewed Article Tag from Hal Becker article and book article

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You added the Orphan Tag to the article on Hal Becker. I have since created a new article about a book written by Hal Becker and placed a link in it to the Hal Becker article. The article about the book entitled Can I Have 5 Minutes of Your Time? has been tagged as an Unreviewed Article as well as an Orphan page. The actual link is Can_I_Have_5_Minutes_Of_Your_Time?

I tried to put a link in the Hal Becker article to the book article but it did not find it. I assume that is because it is tagged as an unreviewed article. That article has been edited by yourself as well as someone else. Can't the Unreviewd Article tag be removed?

Bottom line how do I get the Orphan Tags removed since both of these articles will be linked to each other and how do I get the Unreviewd Article tag removed from the book article?

Janneyw (talk) 16:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) (not really, came to ask a different question and saw this) The actual link has a capital "Of", and I added that link to Hal Becker. Did some other copyediting and removed the {{orphan}} template from each article. GoingBatty (talk) 01:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. In fact of there is only 1 link, I wouldn't remove the orphan tag. Especially, because the two articles are isolated i.e. only link to each other. Ukrainian wikipedia has better rules on tagging orphans but I can't be bothered to bring a proposal in en.wiki. At least not yet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'll add the templates back. BTW, what's AWB's logic for removing the orphan tags? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

AWB's logic in brief: If 0 incoming links then tag. If more than 2 incoming links then untag. Check User:Magioladitis/AWB and orphans for details. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - just updated WP:AWB/GF with your brief summary. GoingBatty (talk) 03:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Death date category has earlier year than birth date category

I recently came across two articles where the death date category had an earlier year than the birth date category. (e.g. Category:1920 births and Category:200 (instead of 2000) deaths) Each was a typo that I noticed when AWB tried to add the Persondata based on the categories. Can you think of an easy way to make a list of other articles where this occurs? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Hm... tough. We can cross check XX-century births with YY-century deaths, where YY < XX as a start I guess and then go on. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:37, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm running a scan on this now. Rich Farmbrough, 03:02, 28th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).

not many

Some seem to be picked up in error. Not sure why. Martin Lister born 1739 died 1712 Hayabusa (disambiguation) born 50 died -141 Error? Ann Mari Sjögren born 1918 died 1910 Sahle Selassie born 17902 died 1847 Leonor F. Loree born 1958 died 1950 Muhammad ibn Khwand born 1433 died 903 Yi Yin born 1648 died 1549 Lower Barrakka Gardens born 1980 died 1641 Illinois 16th Congressional District born 9 died 1 Inez Beverly Prosser born 1985 died 1934 Haematooncology born 1975 died 1950 Conyers Darcy, 7th Baron Darcy de Knayth born 1670 died 1653 Oetzingen born 1937 died 1611 SCR 1845A born 1981 died 1599 Princess Maria Theresia of Liechtenstein born 1694 died 177 Dervish Hima born 1872 died 1828 John Wozniak (politician) born 197 died -859 already  Fixed? John Wozniak (politician) born 620 died -716 already  Fixed? Orange Seely born 1943 died 1918 Dinendranath Tagore born 1882 died 1835 Mnga' ris sa khul born 1946 died 1924 Cornwall Legh born 1857 died 1841 Colin Campbell (British Army officer) born 1754 died 1714 Thomas Page (cricketer) born 1872 died 1853 Humphrey Yates born 1883 died 1856 Alastair Campbell (cricketer) born 1890 died 1843 Qeysar Aminpour born 1386 died 1338 Hippolyte Belhomme born 1854 died 1823 Baxter Hall born 1757 died 1742 George Miles Watson, 2nd Baron Manton born 1899 died 1868 François Joseph de Gratet, vicomte Dubouchage born 1749 died 1721  Fixed Goby Eberhardt born 1852 died 126 Nicolae Bivol born 1882 died 1840 Ion Costin born 1887 died 1840 Tommaso dei Cavalieri born 1590 died 1587 Heinrich Geigl born 1981 died 1918 Charles L. Burrill born 1862 died 1831 William Ruxton (1697–1751) born 1697 died 151 William Grylls Adams born 1936 died 1915 Arnold Reymond born 1874 died 1858 Vernon Huber born 1989 died 1967 Ralph Judd born 1901 died 195 Wallace Morgan born 1875 died 1848 Juan de Dios Guevara born 1910 died 200 Marieluise Claudius born 1942 died 1941 Alexander Buller born 1934 died 1903 Antal Stevanecz born 1861 died 1821 Agnes Zimmermann born 1947 died 1925 George Barbu Ştirbei born 1832 died 1825 Augustine Vincent born 1684 died 1626 Felicia Rudolphina Scatcherd born 1986 died 1927 Francis McComas (painter) born 1975 died 1938 Viktor von Tschusi zu Schmidhoffen born 1947 died 1924 Ludmila Jeske-Choinska-Mikorska born 1849 died 1848 František Bohumír Zvěřina born 1935 died 1908 Max Eckert-Greifendorff born 1868 died 1838 Norman Sterry born 1971 died 1879 Nicholas Cresswell born 1850 died 1804 Sir Herbert Croft, 9th Baronet born 1838 died 1802 John Dawnay (MP) born 1786 died 1740 Paw Oo Thet born 1993 died 1936 Mary Roberts (author) born 1864 died 1788 Otto Liiv born 1961 died 1942 Karl Raphael Herder born 1865 died 1816 Willard Hoagland born 1862 died 1836 Sam Milai born 1980 died 1970 Alice Barber Stephens born 1858 died 1832 Antoine-Jacques Roustan born 1834 died 1808  Fixed

 Doing... - Reviewing these now - thanks Rich! GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Think I fixed the rest of the people articles, except for Qeysar Aminpour, a stub with no other info. Want to share how you got this info, Rich? Thanks again! GoingBatty (talk) 05:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes I wrote custom program to scan the 28 Gdump of the article pages I had just downloaded. I am planning to integrate all my dump scans and make them automatic. This could be included. However I am also planning to explore more dynamic ways of doing stuff. Rich Farmbrough, 02:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC).

auto_ptr

There was a list of pages (such as mod_perl) from which not to remove the underscore. This should still be there, and that item can be added. Rich Farmbrough, 02:39, 28th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).

Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Pages with underscores in title. Already there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Expand

Did Yobot remove all the remaining expands? I'm finding many were removed incorrectly by humans, who, presumably found checking 15,000 articles they know little or nothing about to hard. Rich Farmbrough, 02:39, 28th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).

Almost yes. Yobot removed Expand in various runs as it was asked by others.

• I converted all expand tags in sections to {{Expand section}}
• I left any expand tag with parameters other than |date= to be removed manually by others.
• I fixed most of the occurrences in "List of..." ages to {{Expand list}}.
• For the rest (i.e. only date parameter and not in lists nor sections) I started by removing Expand from pages without talk pages and then to th rest starting from 2007 and going up to 2010. I think January 2011 was done manually. After each year I've been doing 1 day stop.
• While Yobot was running, editors were removing manually tags too. This is cler becuse the number of transclusions kept going down.
• I sent you the situation in the category Pages than need to be expanded by email. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

orphan article and living people category

hello Magioladitis,

I wanted to ask you why you put a "bandeau" ( i do not know how to say it in english) on Simon Lamunière's article. There is s lot of wikilinks , maybe not engouh external (in fact this article is not yet complete).. Well if you could just check that.. In fact a lot of artist mentionned are on wiki , some events too. ... Let me know What I do not understand

Another question is about the pertinence of the Living people category, it sound to me always a little bit strange (but I am probably not informed) Living versus dead people ?

Thank for answering, --Ildiko Dao (talk) 09:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Orphan tags refers to incoming links. This means pages that link TO your article. You have to find some pages that refer to this person and wikilinked them (i.e. add double brackets).

For the second question: Yes for statistical reasons AND reasons of protecting alive individuals from libel, extended vandalism, etc. we add this category to all of them.

I hope I helped. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot adding erroneous WikiProject Biography tags

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Yobot is adding lots of erroneous {{WikiProject Biography}} tags. Examples include Talk:Design, Talk:Arts, Talk:Artist, Talk:Riyadh, Talk:Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Talk:SCR 1845A (all of which I fixed), plus many, many others. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Now we have to find out how Yobot ended there. I ran in XX-th deaths category in depth 2. This used to be safe. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Found it. Instead of replacing my sandbox I just added content to it. I checked all the links for errors. -- Magioladitis (talk)

AWB version

Thanks this is a very recent version by my standards, and I am looking at dead end articles only so wfy isn't important. The code functionality places the new information last if the parameters don't match exactly. Since the order is irrelevant this hardly matters. Rich Farmbrough, 02:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC).

Yes but still it's much cleaner to add info in the pre-existing places. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Was there a policy change for this

In the most recent SVN of AWB it seems like it is replacing things like Wasn't with was not and I am not sure it should be doing that. I personally think that the usage of Was not vice wasn't and the like is needlessly formal language and makes the text of the article more difficult to read. I have also found it is doing it in templates such as the title in Cite web and in quotations and I don't think either of these are appropriate as well. I can provide diffs if you want but I wanted to mention it first in case there was a new change that implemented this first. --Kumioko (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with SVN. This is typo fixing which someone introduced and there is already discussion for that. Keep in mind tht we don't add grammar corrections in AWB's core code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh ok that makes sense I thought it was rather strange thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Jackson family

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Okay, sorry for sounding harsh on your other talk page. Thanks for fixing ("fixing", I hope) this up! Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I just don't have time right now to check exactly what caused it. There should be some unbalanced bracket somewhere. Rewriting the plugin will fix this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow. 4 times wrong edit-revert before fixing it! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeh, this goes back to last November. Thanks so much for finding and fixing the problem. Best, --Discographer (talk) 00:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I am happy to announce that KingbotK plugin 2.3.1.2 + AWB rev 7571 don't have the bug! :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

RE: AWB and pt.wiki

Thanks for the quick response! I'll warn the users. By the way, we are just finishing our new rules to aprouve bots, so i think that your may start the tests soon. When he gets permission i'll warn you ;) Alchimista ^{talk with me} 20:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

39th Infantry Division (United States)

Would you run Yobot on 39th Infantry Division (United States)? Thanks!Aleutian06 22:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Done. nothing happened. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Article about Hans Ek, conductor

Dear Magioladits

I have published the article about conductor and arranger Hans Ek. It has this text on it: This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.

I am not very familiar with Wikipedia but very familiar with Hans Ek. I know that every word in the article is the truth. Could you help me to get it veryfied.

Thank you, Per Sjöberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laddarn (talk • contribs) 10:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Discussion about WikiProject Banner cleanup

I wanted to let you know that there is a discussion here about cleanup wikiProject banners --Kumioko (talk) 02:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Replied. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I also updated the banner code yesterday. I added a lot of the logic this time that I have been using. There are still a couple that I didn't add because they don't seem to work in C/regex like they do in the advnaced find and replace and I am having a problem with one of the edits in the bottom replacing {{{ with {{WikiProject Abortion so I wouldn't add it to Yobot yet. If you see what the problem is let me know and I'll fix it but I wanted to let you know anyway. --Kumioko (talk) 13:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok I fixed the coding where it was converting {{{ to a wikiproject but some of the coding may still not be suitable for the bot. I'll let you decide what you wnat to use. --Kumioko (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Question on a yobot edit

Hey, this is a minor issue, but I don't understand what the point of [4] is supposed to be? Yoenit (talk) 18:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

The instructions in defaultsort say that every word (i.e. string with no blanks) must start with capital letter and all other letters must be written in lowercase. I know it's super minor but AWB fixes it for use. I guess it doesn't make any difference to the final result. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Space bug

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I do not know if this is an AWB problem, but this edit broke Chromosome. It saw that the lead started on the hat line, so inserted a newline. However, it left a leading space after the newline, with the result that the first paragraph of the lead was rendered wrongly (like <pre>). The diff fails to show the leading space; see the article to confirm it is broken. I fixed it am just letting you know. Johnuniq (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the report! I'll leave Rjw a note and we'll try to fix it. I never encountered it before. Very nice catch. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

rev 7600 Fix dablinks moving & trailing spaces issue. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Georgia (country)

Hi. This user User:ComtesseDeMingrelie, always put a map of Georgia (country), where Abkhazia and South Ossetia not shown like dispute territories. This two countries, like Kosovo and future Southern Sudan, recognized by some countries in the World: Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and others. I send to him a message, if he want to left old map, so he must begin discussion about that, and I would like to have you're support. I saw you're contribution in page's history. EGroup (talk) 20:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)