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Scapler (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Jake Wartenberg^Talk 18:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Please discuss run-of-the-mill editing issues on the appropriate article's talk page, and not here. Also, please do not revert edits without checking the talk page first. Had you done so in this case, you would have seen that there was a consensus that the relevant content needed to be drastically changed or removed; My edit followed the first option. Further, please read edit summaries, such as the one where I wrote "see talk page". Finally, please do not use terms such as "it appears..." when stating your own personal opinions, as it's just plain annoying. Happy editing. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 18:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Very nice work

Hi Jalapenos. Very nice article in here. Although I guess you and I are on too far sides of the spectrum, I absolutely respect your visible hard work. Peace, and congrats monsieur. --Darwish07 (talk) 07:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Darwish. I really appreciate that. We've disagreed in the past and will probably disagree in the future, but I've seen your work and I believe that you aim - and are succeeding - to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. I don't know if we're on two far sides of the spectrum, but I do have plenty of biases pulling me in various directions. I try to keep them in check by imagining what a real encyclopedia article would look like and editing with that it mind. I hope it's working. Thanks again, and happy editing. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 12:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Request

Hi Saepe Fidelis. An article I wrote pertaining to the Israel-Gaza conflict has been put up for deletion. I think the level of discourse on the deletion page is very low. You're an editor I hold in high regard, and I was wondering if you could give your input. I don't know what you'll think. I can't hide the fact that I hope you'll support keeping it, but if you oppose, at least I'll know that there were good reasons for deleting it. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Jalapenos, I am glad to hear that you hold me in high regard. I certainly hold you in high regard as well.

Myself, I don't see the need for this article. It is so specific that a reader would be quite unlikely to come across it. But I don't feel very strongly about it one way or the other.

Best of luck, Saepe Fidelis (talk) 01:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

February 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Elonka 17:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the heads up; I recently stated on the talk page that I would not make any more reverts in the near future. The reverts in question counteracted removals of large sections of sourced material without discussion. I made repeated calls to the removing editor, both in my edit summaries and on the talk page, to discuss his removals on the talk page and seek consensus, but was ignored. I guess other editors of that article will have to take up the job of dealing with such behavior. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 17:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding.  :) And yes, if there's something obvious that needs to be done, other editors will probably help take care of it, especially on such a busy article. If you're concerned that another editor is being too disruptive, you also may wish to follow some of the steps at Wikipedia:Disruptive editing#Dealing with disruptive editors. A particularly useful option is to leave a direct note on the talkpage of the other editor, where you can express polite concerns and suggestions. Providing diffs is also very important, both to make it clear what you are talking about, and also because it's helpful for administrators to review the "paper trail" of what's been going on. As you've seen, the talkpage of the Gaza conflict article gets a lot of traffic, so sometimes things get lost in the rush. But messages on user talkpages can help cut through the clutter. --Elonka 17:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks for the info and for your time. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 17:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Info and oppertunity to respond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Admn_attention_needed

Brunte (talk) 22:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

We do not always agree, but if we had five of you on either side of the POVs this article would get to GA in no time. Brunte's wrong here, and your argument is compelling. Period. Well sourced, relevant material should not be removed without discussion, and should not be edit warred about. Do take care of your edits and let others join the fun, it is very hard to IAR 3RR specially due to WP:ARBPIA.--Cerejota (talk) 05:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you! I thought I was going crazy or entering some kind of weird twilight zone-esque shadow reality. Just out of curiosity, which side of the POVs do you think I'm on? Jalapenos do exist (talk) 10:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

WTF?

New edits seem to be going here Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 February 4 and not showing in the deletion review atWikipedia:Deletion_review. Any ideas ? Also, booby. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It just takes a while to "load" onto the real page. Your comment is already there. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 09:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

ah right. heh, penos sounds a bit like...okay, settle down, stop that. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

(Mmmph, snigger, snigger, hee hee!)  :) Jalapenos do exist (talk) 10:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply

Someone, I don't know if its you or someone else, has been adding huge chunks which give undue weight to Israel's side of the story.

For example, there was more written about anti-semitic attacks than about the gaza humanitarian crisis. We don't need all the detail about that. So I removed. I am trying to keep the weight in the article correct.

Similarly more should be written about the humanitarian crisis than about Israeli's building bombing shelters, but it was the other way round.Jandrews23jandrews23 (talk) 19:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, I was hoping against hope that you would actually read WP:CONSENSUS and see that the two things are not the same, or that you would understand that the way to fix perceived under-representation is by adding quality sourced information and not by removing it. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 19:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Enjoy

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:_Honeymane ahhh Wiikkiiwriter, the kind of editor i can only hope to become one day Sean.hoyland - talk 07:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

If you want to see some real fun stuff, scroll two sections up on the noticeboard. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Restored deleted material

On 01:52, 8 February 2009 you restored deleted material to the article 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. That material included 1 defunct reference "name=AJC/". Could you please tell me the version you took it from, so that I may fix this last reference in a long list of reffixes. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 22:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, here's the full reference. . Thanks for all your hard work on the International reactions section. I just want to give you a heads up, though, in case you didn't know, that there was an entire article on the issue of antisemitic backlash. The article was deleted improperly after a stalemated deletion discussion, and is now in deletion review; it's looking like the deletion will get overturned, but it's close. In any case, if the article gets restored, I think the section on the subject in the International reactions article will be superfluous, since there's already a summary in the main 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict article. If the article doesn't get restored, much of the material that was in it could be useful for the section you're working on, and I can post it up for you if you want. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

That's ok. Thanks a lot! Debresser (talk) 23:15, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I was just about to ask you where you added it from a week before it was deleted and you subsequently restored it. Now I know. That was a lot of searching though, before I understood what went on here. Debresser (talk)

Sorry I couldn't be of help earlier. :) Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to say....

I don't know if I already said this, but I appreciate the hard work you are doing at the Gaza Conflict and wonder at your energy & perseverance. You seem to always remain civil as well, which is a trick in itself :) You pay close attention to detail and stay focused. Very bueno! Tundrabuggy (talk) 03:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I appreciate that very, very much. Since I got complimented by both Darwish and you, does this mean I enjoy bipartisan support?  :) Jalapenos do exist (talk) 03:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Cerejota (talk) 05:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

on bringing Antisemitic incidents occuring during the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict back from the dead. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now we need to turn it into a really good article, because it will get AfD'd again. There will of course be people who just don't like it who will want to delete it no matter what, but I'm hoping that next time no reasonable person will consider deleting it. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 12:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Cerejota (talk) 05:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

re: Antisemitic incidents during the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict

Hi. First of all, I'm glad you appreciate my edit :)

Basically, I agree with the criteria. I was trying to choose only incidents that are anti-Jewish rather than anti-Israeli. The sources I cited also consider them antisemitic. Anyway, feel free to edit the section, and if I'll have any objections to your edits, I'll take it to the talk page. Cheers, Nudve (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Relevant Haaretz article

Hi jalapenos. While reading Haaretz today, I found this article which might be relevant to your latest editing efforts about Judaism. good luck :-). --Darwish (talk) 08:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! 14:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

gaza aid article

hey, jalapenos, i was wondering if you could take care of the linking problem that happened with the rename of the gaza aid article. the main article still links to int'l reactions article/humanitarian aid, which doesn't exist anymore. also, the intl reactions article doesn't link to or summarize the gaza aid page. i'd do it myself, but i'm not good with that kind of thing yet. untwirl(talk) 20:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

hey, me again - it looks like this still needs to be taken care of. since you created the new page i was hoping you could fix the linking and lack of summary problems. thanks in advance. :) untwirl(talk) 02:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The Modest Barnstar

		The Modest Barnstar
		For a great edit on the Netherlands section in Antisemitic incidents during the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. Naked statements are bad, complete context and information are better. --Cerejota (talk) 04:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Purim!

Happy Purim! from Chesdovi

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Cerejota (talk) 22:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Two of you on either side...

...and this whole series would be brought to quality. When you include material, it is always well-reasoned and relevant, when you exclude it, there is always a coherent reason, when there is needless drama, you STFU even your side. If more editors were like you, I wouldn't even bother with ARBPIA. Of course, if pigs had wings... ;) Just needed to say this. :)--Cerejota (talk) 01:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

*Blush* Your repeated feeding of my insatiable ego, plus my own high esteem for you as an editor, remove any annoyance I might have had from your pigeonholing me as belonging to a side. Let us go forth and prevail, or something to that effect. :) Jalapenos do exist (talk) 02:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Onwards then, as Habaneros also exist!--Cerejota (talk) 02:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

*Awkward silence* They don't, but I guess I can't blame you for falling prey to the Conspiracy. Seems everyone has. Sigh. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 02:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

please respond

to my the two bottom sections of the talk page, as well as my requests for you to clean up the loose ends you left behind while creating the gaza aid page. thanks. untwirl(talk) 16:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

well, i do appreciate your responding, even if it didnt address any of the issues (other than personal ones you have toward me.) first and foremost, i am unaware of any "extremely rude and malicious" remarks i have made toward you in the past, or having written "lies about (you) on several occasions." in my estimation we have disagreed several times in the past - but if you really think i have done either of those things you should point me in their direction with a diff, and i will promptly strike and apologize unreservedly. my saying that you appear to have an inconsistent standard is not a personal attack, or even a lie - i quoted you directly and showed how i thought that standard wasnt being followed. i, for one, appreciate your reasoned and (usually) consistent approach to applying standards for inclusion to that article. however, it seems that your personal distaste for me has clouded your judgment in this instance. if i have misunderstood how you believe those standards should apply i am more than willing to reconsider my statement about your inconsistency. i will refrain from commenting on my opinion of your decidedly antagonistic stance with regards to me, and your favoring of one POV over another. i have tried to ignore your snide comments and focus on issues with editing. i'll take your comments on this matter in good faith, even though you do not grant me the same, and take time to review my own statements to see how i can avoid offending editors such as yourself in the future. hopefully you can accept my lack of malicious intent, even if we disagree on certain issues. as i said, i am willing to take your harsh criticism in stride and bear no grudge toward you for your attack on my character. untwirl(talk) 01:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Marlon Brando

Was a talentless anti-semite who raped his own daughter. So glad he died alone in poverty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.17.216 (talk) 19:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice work

Nice work on the CD article. I will watchlist it, and hopefully get a chance to maybe expand it. I was recently reading with interest about the successful testing of the Iron Dome project. Thanks for doing it. Tundrabuggy (talk) 03:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Your comment on User_talk:Okedem

Please see the discussion about his username here. Thanks. GT5162 ^{(我的对话页)} 17:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Shiny!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For your tireless work on Durban Review Conference and various other articles. I award you this shiny barnstar. Your work does not go unappreciated. Thanks for making Wikipedia a better place for everyone! Cheers Kyle1278 22:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Your very welcome!Cheers Kyle1278 22:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Global tag from Durban_Review_Conference

I am very puzzled by your removal of the

tag from this article. Three people supported it, two people, including yourself opposed it, and you removed it within hours of its insertion. Is there a reason for this?93.96.148.42 (talk) 23:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised at your puzzlement. There is a simple reason I removed it, and I expressed it clearly on the talk page. You are welcome to continue the discussion there and explain why you returned it. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

barnstar

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For working on an article that you felt shouldn't even exist and helping to bring it up, even if temporarily, to encyclopedic standards. Nableezy (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

honestly, the next time around I might vote delete, though I think an idea from Ashley Kennedy might be a good one, an article on negative images in the conflict covering this as well. But you and Gilabrand did a very good job, instead of just letting the article remain the newspaper worthy account that it was you made a good encyclopedic account of the event. Peace and happiness, Nableezy (talk) 18:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Hyperionsteel - Thanks.

Thanks for the Barnstar. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 22:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC))

Hey

Since you were the only one involved aside from NMRNG, can you weigh in? Wikifan12345 (talk) 06:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Invitation

You seem to be on good terms with editors on both sides of the I-P conflict while still being interested in issues related to it. As such, I figured that inviting you to give a look and form an opinion on the Hamastan RfC would not lead to accusations of canvassing *crosses fingers*
Warm regards, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 06:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

No need to worry

Yeah, cynics suck. Unfortunately... No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 09:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

can you...

take a look at Nableezy's talk page the section titled "Disputed casualties figure" please. Cryptonio (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, I did. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations

Nice article! --Shuki (talk) 17:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I may try to DYK it, so if you see anything glaring that needs to be improved, please do so. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 19:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, I just nominated it for DYK. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

• Very nicely written article.Historicist (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. There's still a lot to do though. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 22:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

sorry

for making the quip about making them look bad, but I do think you should not have said the opposite to Gato. But apologies, Nableezy (talk) 03:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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Iran election protests

This independent survey is the most relevant information because it's the only reliable document about the election. Be so nice and discuss matters before you act rude. Wandalstouring (talk) 14:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't see where I acted rudely. Look, the Iranian presidential election, 2009 article has a whole section comparing surveys. Maybe you had a good reason for singling out this particular survey, putting it in an article that's not about the elections and devoting a whole section to it; but you didn't say what it was. So how about we take it to the talk page? Jalapenos do exist (talk) 15:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Why did you just overhaul the entire June 20 section without discussing it? I put a good amount of effort in writing the Neda portion. Also why did you add American responses to the dates? The article is about the Iranian election protests day-by-day. Any american responses, such as Congress passing resolution in support of the Iranian people, or Obama's reaction, should strictly be in the INternational responses section. Next time talk before you erase other people's work! RapidFire50 (talk) 06:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi RapidFire, thanks for your contributions; I'm looking forward to working with you in the future. In case you don't know, your work hasn't been erased: you can easily retrieve it by clicking the "history" tab. I overhauled the section because it was written entirely in the future tense, and discussed things that were "expected" to happen, some of which didn't. It was really just an update, which is why I didn't discuss it. You have a point regarding Obama's reaction, but int'l reactions are a developing process, so I do think major developments should be stated - briefly - in the timeline section. I did remove an extensive quote from an Iranian protester, because I think that kind of stuff will overload the article, especially the timeline section. But I probably should have discussed that removal first. Sorry. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 06:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions on the Iranian election pages and elsewhere!

		The Original Barnstar
		Your indefatigable persuit of impoving Middle East related articles, many of the controversial, has made the website a better place. The Squicks (talk) 18:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for 2009 Iranian election protests

On 22 June, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2009 Iranian election protests, which you substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 16:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

IDF and T-shirts

Hi, a quick proposal for more strikeouts on the AFD-page (takes some grammar-editing, but it'll be OK): (and a 2nd addition -DePiep (talk) 21:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC))

• Delete. This is exactly what WP:NOTNEWS refers to. It is a comically unimportant affair which, for about a week in March 2009, was in some newspaper articles, all of which were based on a single article in Israeli newspaper Haaretz. Since then it has disappeared from serious sources, remaining only in some anti-Israel blogs. All in all, Lindsay Lohan's latest outfit received more media attention than this. The first AfD occurred while the newspaper articles were appearing, so some editors innocently fell victim to recentism, but at this point it's fairly clear what the motivation for keeping the article is. User:Jalapenos do exist12:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[Great reply (DePiep)]:

• Oh dear This is why I stay away from I/P articles usually. Though there are probably good arguments to delete, Jalap's saying things like "remaining only in some anti-Israel blogs" and "at this point it's fairly clear what the motivation for keeping the article is" makes me just.. sigh. Oh dear.... Count this "Not really a vote" any way you want. Dendlai

[Now here "Jalapenos do exist" changes: from emotional to rational -- Whatever the motivation, his outcome will be the same (DePiep)]:

• Even if people like me create a sense of despair in you, you may find that they are reasonable people and that dialogue with them is possible and even fruitful. My statement about where this issue does and does not remain is a verifiable fact. You can check for yourself. As for my opinion on the motivation to keep this article, perhaps my greater involvement in I/P articles (and in this particular article) has made me more cynical than you. User:Jalapenos do exist|Jalapenos do exist

(End of quote) -DePiep (talk) 15:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Palestine

Hi Jalapenos,

Could you take a look at the discussion in Talk:Palestine, etc? Harlan keeps confusing the claims, and misusing sources, but I'm a little short on time to handle this at the moment.

okedem (talk) 18:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)