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Japanese song titles

Wikipedia is supposed to give information that is accurate, but when the rules do not allow song titles to be written as they are supposed to be, the information becomes inaccurate (Example: "Best: Second Session" should be "BEST ~second session~"). Though not in the URL, but on the page itself. To deny titles being styled as such, it's incorrect. Japan artists specifically design their titles to be written a certain way.

Xenobia4 (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

This should be discussed on WT:MOS-JA.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

It contravenes MOS:TM, you should discuss it at WT:MOS instead of MOS-JA -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

List of Japanese inventions

Someone removed an entire article, or removed entries with an illegitimately added {cn}. Please take a look at an ongoing discussion.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 03:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Japanese-speaking admin requested to deal with time-wasting hoaxer

Could a Japanese-speaking admin please speedy delete the hoax article Sokkupapu, its redirect Sokkupapu Potato Snack, and also the time-wasting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sokkupapu? I have tagged it for speedy deletion as a blatant hoax, but I fear a non-Japanese-speaking admin may be duped by the pseudo-Japanese name and list of Japanese "sources" which do not of course mention this snack.

Following his debut at Wikipedia:Help desk yesterday, it appears that User:AitarouOmutsu-TUY is an account created by someone clearly familiar with Wikipedia editing (AfD creation etc) and is being used purely for time-wasting hoaxes and vandalism. --DAJF (talk) 00:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The MS Paint "photograph" looks like it shoul be proof enough without a Japanese language speaker.—Ryulong (琉竜) 00:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Category move discussion

Recently a number of categories, including one related to this project, were moved without any discussion. The category related to this project is Category:Japanese television navigational boxes, which was moved to Category:Japan television navigational boxes. The moves have been opposed and a new discussion is in progress at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 September 17#Television navigational boxes. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Assistance requested

Hi,

At the FAC for Phallus indusiatus, a request has been made to add the kanji for the Japanese common name Kinugasatake. I'm assuming from the Japanese version of the article that this is 衣笠茸. I was wondering if a native speaker could scan the references for that article and suggest if one of them might be appropriate to reliably source this name. Or perhaps someone here has a Japanese-English dictionary that might do the trick? Sasata (talk) 05:43, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you really need to source a foreign language name. It simply exists in that language as such.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

• There's a widely-used advertising-supported dictionary here. As discussed here, there are several language templates such as template:nihongo (and template:lang) for embedding foreign languages in English Wikipedia. LittleBen (talk) 06:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies; I've added the kanji. Have bookmarked the dictionary site for future reference. Sasata (talk) 06:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Tu

I realize that there is no "tu" in Japanese and that there is some freedom in transcription of foreign names. See for instance the transcription of "Arthur" in ja:アルトゥル・ショーペンハウアー and ja:アルトゥール・ルービンシュタイン. But what is "トゥー"? Is that an extra long "tō" sound. How would you represent this in romaji? bamse (talk) 08:13, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology has for many years now suggested various katakana digraphs to better represent the phonemes found in other languages. トゥ is the one to represent the sound English speakers would recognize in the word "too". In the Hepburn romanization system used by Wikipedia, トゥ is tu, so トゥー is tū. And those names would be Aruturu Shōpenhauā (using the German "Arthur" as the source pronunciation) and Arutūru Rūbinsutain (using the Polish "Artur" as the source pronunciation).—Ryulong (琉竜) 08:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. In fact I had misread it to include a large (not small) ウ. What other digraphs exist for foreign words which are otherwise not used in the Japanese language? PS: Haven't noticed a difference in pronunciation of "Artur/Arthur" between German and Polish, but will pay attention to it. bamse (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hepburn romanization#For extended katakana lists all the possible combinations used by MEXT, ANSI, BSI, and in an old version of a similar formatting style. There are, however, other choices, such as ホァ being Hwa, used to approximate Chinese's Hua sound.—Ryulong (琉竜) 21:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. One last question, are those extended katakana (including their pronunciation) well known, taught at school,... ? Or are they only known by Japanese who study a foreign language for instance? bamse (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

That I do not know.—Ryulong (琉竜) 22:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

They are well-enough known that they do not need to be taught; after all, katakana characters make the only sound they can make, in all instances (ヘ and ハ particles and old kanazukai excluded). This doesn't preclude the continued use of rival katakana spellings, since in many cases there are different ways to approximate the same sounds. Dekimasuよ! 05:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. bamse (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Buji monks

Notable? Can the article be expanded? Only one source and I can't find any other on the web, but I don't grok Japanese. Tijfo098 (talk) 07:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. 無事 is a common word. Even in ja dictionary, there's no mention about monks. Buddism is not popular in Okinawa. See Ryukyuan religion. The article seems to be a possible hoax. Oda Mari (talk) 08:53, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I checked the reference - it's genuine, but it's būji not buji and the Japanese characters are not given, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:24, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

You can get a couple more hits by googling "booji okinawa"; according to hit1 (lexicon) it's the Okinawan equivalent of bōzu (坊主), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I see 坊主 google-tanslates to "Buddhist priest". The Japan encyclopedia cited in the article actually starts with "Buji: General name given to Buddhist monks in the Ryukyu Islands." It seems Buddhist monks were disliked by local population around 1600 because they were doing funeral rituals(?) That doesn't jibe well with what an Okinawan history book says about the same period, [1]: after discussing the introduction of some militant forms of Buddhism to the island in 1603 (none of which were called Buji), it says "The Okinawans as a whole continued to be tolerant of all organized religions, if not generally indifferent to them." So it's rather unclear what that "Buji" entry was talking about. I conclude it's a dictdef combined with a minuscule topic in Okinawan history. Not a good article. The vague event around 1600 can be mentioned somewhere else, preferably from a source that explains it more clearly. Tijfo098 (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Japanese Movie Database

Please come participate in the discussion at Talk:Japanese Movie Database#JMDB. Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Ichiro's birthplace

FYI

There is a discussion regarding conflicting sources on Ichiro Suzuki's birthplace at Talk:Ichiro_Suzuki#Ichiro.27s_birthplace_and_hometown.—Bagumba (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Son Goku naming

Hi! In light of the naming dispute involving Son Goku of Dragon Ball, I did some searches for English RSes that mention the full name Son Goku. I found quite a few: Talk:Goku#Reliable_sources_in_English_using_.22Son_Goku.22 WhisperToMe (talk) 03:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Old provinces of Japan

Category:Old provinces of Japan, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)