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Dear editors: I have started a page to keep track of which G13 articles I have checked to see if they have salvageable content and should be removed from the path of deletion. The bot nominates submissions by month and then alphabetically, so if anyone wants to take a letter of the alphabet in any month and check through it (or knows that it's already been done), I would appreciate it if he or she would then mark that off on my list (if you want to) so that I won't be checking ones that others have already been through. If this becomes useful to others besides myself I will move it to project space. Thanks! —[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 20:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Dear editors: I have started a page to keep track of which G13 articles I have checked to see if they have salvageable content and should be removed from the path of deletion. The bot nominates submissions by month and then alphabetically, so if anyone wants to take a letter of the alphabet in any month and check through it (or knows that it's already been done), I would appreciate it if he or she would then mark that off on my list (if you want to) so that I won't be checking ones that others have already been through. If this becomes useful to others besides myself I will move it to project space. Thanks! —[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 20:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

== Please watch for the following editors in about a month ==

Please watch for either {{user|Khalibali}} or {{user|Viii007}} to re-appear and start reviewing articles when he comes off block a month from now. He was banned for a month for sockpuppetry, but it's not clear which of the two accounts is the "master" yet. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Viii007]].

I mention this because a number of articles this person has approved using his multiple accounts have wound up at [[WP:AFD]], which indicates he is clearly not ready to review articles. Any articles he approves in the first few weeks after he comes back should be re-reviewed and sent to AFD if necessary. I will put a link to this discussion on both talk pages. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 21:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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    A Barnstar for All!

    FYI
    The AFC Backlog Buster Barnstar

    Thank you to everyone who helped in the recent AFC Backlog elimination drive! In total, we got 7054 articles reviewed and out the backlog during the event. Thank you and keep up the good work! And let me know if I missed anyone's Barnstars! ~~~~

    Proposed change to AFC Draft template

    Resolved

    Because the interpertation of CSD:G13 includes pages that have never been submitted for evaluation (i.e. Drafts) I propose the following change to {{AFC submission/draft}}. Specifically

    This is a draft Articles for creation submission. It is not currently pending review. There is no deadline as long as you are improving the submission, you can take your time writing this draft. If this submission is not edited in more than 6 months, it could be deleted.

    This makes sure that the page creator understands that they must work to improve it and what could happen (in 6 months) if they don't. Hasteur (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I tried to simplify your proposed version a bit and also fixed a grammatical error:
    This is a draft Articles for creation submission. It is not currently pending review. There is no deadline for submission, but if this page is not edited in more than 6 months, it could be deleted.
    I didn't think that the "take your time" or "as long as you are improving the submission" bits were necessary, personally. Theopolisme (talk) 21:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The Italicised parts are what I'm proposing adding. I want to keep it as close to the current language as possible, but have the spectre of the stick visible. Hasteur (talk) 21:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would be just as happy to see:
      This is a draft Articles for creation submission. It is not currently pending review. There are no deadlines as long as you are actively improving the submission, you can take your time writing this draft. Drafts not being worked on will be deleted as provided in the CSD:G13 guideline.
    That's just me... I'm not as nice I guess. Technical 13 (talk) 00:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The grammar is still bad. Can we have a semicolon instead of a comma? —Anne Delong (talk) 00:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Anne:
      This is a draft Articles for creation submission which is not currently pending review. There are no deadlines; as long as you are actively improving the submission. Drafts not being improved will be deleted as provided in the CSD:G13 guideline.
    There... Cleaned up... Technical 13 (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The semicolon is wrong now because "you can take your time writing this draft" is gone. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the part of the sentence that needed separating is no longer there. With this wording no semicolon or comma is needed. I also feel that it should be "is no deadline", since I can't see a situation under which the user would be expecting multiple deadlines, but this is not a grammar issue. The truth is that the drafts may be deleted, but the more forceful will has its merits. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Resolved by inserting the new language at [1]. Hasteur (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mullivaikal Massacre

    Resolved

    Dear editors: This article has a very specific point of view. It has never been submitted for review. Should it be deleted as an attack page? It is really an essay, unsourced and negative, but not about a specific person. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    IMO, there appears to be articles at Mullivaikal and Mullivaikkal Hospital bombings that could potentially cover the submission, however it's a soapbox/attack so I'd probably submit it for an attack page. If it gets turned down, submit it for MFD along the same lines and indicate that it's never going to make it to mainspace. Hasteur (talk) 12:45, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks; it's gone. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Category:AfC submissions with missing AfC template

    Unresolved

    This category has hundreds of alphabetical entries up to the letter N. Is there a bot at large which will be doing O and P soon? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Paging Petrb, ArticlesForCreationBot hasn't added any new members to the category since 02:03, 28 August 2013. Thankee Hasteur (talk) 21:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The category is almost empty now, but still contains nothing after the letter N, and no new items for weeks. Is the bot broken? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:09, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewer help

    Well, I've added a couple of questions to this page. Is anyone watching it? Is there a link to it anywhere? —Anne Delong (talk) 01:13, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    (edit conflict)I had no idea it existed until now, but I answered one of your questions. theonesean 02:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Anne Delong: I've added a link to the project's page tabs for the new Reviewer help page, in hopes to make it more noticeable. Northamerica1000(talk) 10:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, Theonesean and Northamerica1000 When I look at the top, now, the main "Help Desk" tab is very small, and that might lead people who are submitters to select the wrong help page. Is there a way to make the main help tab larger (maybe pad the text) or make the Reviewer help tab smaller (maybe smaller font)? Also, others here may have opinions about whether it should be over by the talk page, since the two are related, or stay with the other help page, which is related in another way. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Anne Delong: I tried, but couldn't get the tabs to be displayed equally in length with the current style being used. An option is to use different coding that automatically that does so, such as:
     – However, I'm having problems using this code to include the small-text "Category" and "List" links within one of the same tabs. Sincerely, Northamerica1000(talk) 00:06, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, Northamerica1000, I think that the current roundy tabs are very distinctive and I would hate to see them changed, so never mind and thanks again for trying. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    ^That looks perfect to me. The other possible page is the FAQ, but it's not a talk page, so when and if people agree that it's ready it should probably be a link near the top of the "Reviewer Help" page. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Nicely done! Just a small point - the acronym for the script is incorrect, it should be AFCH, not AHFC. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:06, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks Dodger67 I must have dragged the H over in a lag spike or I was just typing too fast and didn't notice it. Anyways, I've made some modifications to Template:Tabs and Template:Start tab so that the tab header will now recognize up to three links per tab as being "on" and change the background color. I can expand that easily if needed, but don't really see a need for more than 3 links on a tab. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 13:46, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/ShuntCheck

    Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewer help

    01:00, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

    Preferred space for Afc reviews

    Unresolved

    Dear reviewers: On the Wikipedia:Wikiproject Articles for creation/Reviewer FAQ that I have started, I think there needs be be a question about why submissions should be moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Submission name before review. Here are points that I have thought of: (1) users can then reuse their sandboxes and user pages, which they may do anyway with strange results (2) drafts are all in one place to be worked on by (3) There are no talk pages to deal with (4)The script is intended for use in this space, helping keep the reviews consistent. (5) Other editors really shouldn't be making major changes in another editor's user space. (6) Users are not supposed to keep "pseudo articles" (7) The move marks the point where the text leaves the user's control and is "donated". Please comment about other reasons or if you think one of mine is wrong.

    Also, I remember that in previous discussion when dealing with blank submission, some reviewers were inventing titles and moving them so that they could use the script to decline them, and others were manually declining them in place, and I don't think there was ever a consensus as to which was appropriate. If they are declined as is, are there any downsides? —Anne Delong (talk) 01:15, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Number 7 is incorrect; as soon as you hit "save", the content is released under CC-BY-SA, no matter where you save it. Mdann52 (talk) 07:35, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, sorry, I shouldn't have used the word "donated". I meant that since it's no longer in userspace, other editors feel free to make improvements. I guess that's the should be combined with point (5) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne Delong (talk • contribs) 13:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I can use the script to decline blank sandboxes now, although I'm not sure if that's in the current script or just a test feature. If you move it to a spurious title, that means a blank page has to hang about for six months. Rankersbo (talk) 08:32, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    That's true. If you decline it in place, it is still in the category of submissions by date. Are there any other residual effects, since the editor is likely to reuse the page for something else? I don't know. Comments? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Where is that FAQ? I'm seeing a red-link. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Oops! Thanks; I fixed the link above. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    While fixing up many copy-paste pairs today, I thought of another reason for moving articles to a consistent space: It helps detect these copy-pastes so that they can be merged or declined and the submitters informed. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems that the Afc script will now review articles in user pages and sandboxes. Can someone tell me how long this has been te case, and whether this means that Wikipedia talk: is no longer the "Preferred location for articles for creation"? I don't remember reading a discussion about this, but maybe I missed it. If so, adding this to the FAQ would be a mistake. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:29, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    AfC Faculty_Of_Engineering_And_Technology/Jamia_Millia_Islamia

    Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewer help

    13:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

    Second opinion requested (apologies if this is not the right process)

    This is partly to prove that I'm not mindlessly deleting G13s :). Can I get another set of eyes on Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Providence College Student Advocacy. I fully understand that 19 refs does not automatically make something notable, but I'd like to see what someone else things. I see that prolific and accomplished editor Dusti made the call, I'm not so much overriding it as noting that a lot of work went into creating this, and I think it is worth asking.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    The problem I see with it is there's a lot of coverage of "local interest" in the Providence College area so it doesn't seem to have the broad based notability that we'd really prefer to have. You've given the article a stay of G13, so perhaps drop a line or two on the author (or any editor who appeared to be supporting) talkpage indicating that the submission is in need of improvement. Hasteur (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    BTW: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewer help might be a better location to ask this type of question Hasteur (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I checked out all of the references, and other than the organization's web page, the only mention of the word "Advocacy" is in three references which all lead to the same article in the school newspaper encouraging students to contact the group, each rather deceptively with a different title in the reference list. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Hasteur, for pointing me to the right place for future such questions. Anne, thanks for the prompt review. Again, my concern wasn't so much a full blown analysis, it was simply that an editor put a lot of work into it, which isn't a keep argument, but it is a "let's make sure we are right" argument. You make excellent points, so I'm going to undo my stay and delete it.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Re-reviews of Virgininfatuation's work requested

    New Wikipedia editor Virgininfatuation (talk · contribs) has declined several submissions and accepted 2. I don't have time to review these now but they should be looked at. The list. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    The two accepts seem okay, although one probably needs a little more work on it, it would probably pass AfD. Some of the rejections seem questionable though, imho. LionMans Account (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I have to say their username made me think of Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile. And then this. However I can't obviously point to a policy that says a username that implies or suggests paedophilia is a blatant violation. What does anyone else think? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:23, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    My first thought was this was the name of a musical group. Regarding the protection of children, the policy you want is Wikipedia:Child protection. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I notice that these two drafts were declined with different edit summaries:

    2013-08-30T13:20:55 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kapitall, Inc. ‎ ((Declining submission: submission is unsourced or contains only unreliable sources))
    2013-08-30T13:19:37 (diff | hist) . . (+5)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Omicron Biochemicals ‎ ((Declining submission: submission provides insufficient context (AFCH)))
    ...and yet the text displayed in the draft ("This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability...") is identical. Is there a problem with the script or template? —rybec 03:01, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Template editor user right

    Check this out if interested. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:46, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    How does this affect AfC? Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:53, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Only in that it affects the AFCH developers and those that wish to contribute to our template system. It probably could be moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Helper script. Technical 13 (talk) 15:05, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I disagree that it only effects developers. The resulting templates are used by everyone. We use a lot of templates here in this project, for almost everything we do. It should also be posted at the script page as well, or course; I assumed that one of the technical types would have already done this. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    They were all pinged from the discussion it self with a {{Pinggroup}} and are all aware of the discussion. I didn't (don't?) see a need to add it there as well and be redundant. Feel free to do so if you think it should be done anyways. I'm neutral on that. Technical 13 (talk) 13:30, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    New AFCH version pushed

    Hi everyone, a new AFCH version has been pushed. Here are the highlights according to Theopolisme:

    This new release includes a brand new API framework that makes saving edits up to 5 times faster! Your CSD nominations will now automatically be logged to your Twinkle log; additionally, you can use a new button to postpone G13 speedy deletion via AFCH. Plus, CSD tagging improvements, lots of bug fixes, styling wizardry, and a loading screen.

    If you notice any issues, please drop a note here or ping someone in #wikipedia-en-afc connect. Legoktm (talk) 00:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I for one appreciate the notification here at the general talk page as well, since this is important for everyone. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Category:AfC submissions by date/11 September 2013

    Dear reviewers: The talk pages of a big group of political articles, most predating the existence of the Afc, have appeared in the above category. Any explanation for this? —Anne Delong (talk) 02:12, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Looks like the editor formerly at 76.65.128.222 has a new IP address. I see nothing to be concerned about. [3] —rybec 02:54, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I am sorry, can you explain what actually happened here, and what getting a new IP address has to do with it? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    All these pages appear to be redirects to existing article's. For example, take Talk:Departments of Finance. The redirect page itself was created yesterday (See this link). If you open this page you are automatically redirected to the long-ago created article Finance minister. So it seems someone just created a large batch of redirects that ended up on this list. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 07:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Which should be at WP:AFC/R and not on that list... That is not the processes fault however, and someone is going to have to clean up after this editor. If no-one beats me too it (hint hint), I'll go through and add all the relevant ones to the /R page and clean-up the redirects. That may be a few days out though, I'm pretty busy with requests for other things atm. Technical 13 (talk) 13:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The link in my first comment was to a request in WP:Articles_for_creation/Redirects for creation of about 164 redirects, made by a prolific IP contributor. The talk pages should have an AfC template but Technical 13 seems to be saying there's a problem with the way the template was used. Looking at one of them [4] I see {{WPAFC|class=redirect|ts=20130911152108|reviewer=Lugia2453}}--exactly what would be produced by {{subst:WPAFC/redirect}}. The "class=redirect" causes it to be categorised in Category:Redirect-Class AFC articles. I don't see anything wrong here. —rybec 23:31, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    BTW: there is also Category:Aliases_of_76.66 - a long standing editor without an account but knwon. ;-) mabdul 21:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Are we technically ready for an October backlog drive?

    We need a backlog drive, but before we announce a date, all the templates, scripts, and code have to be close enough to solid so we can enter the drive with a "known good, frozen-except-for-emergency-fixes" set of tools.

    So, development team, if we want to do a drive on Oct. 1, is it realistic to have the tools frozen a few days before then to shake out bugs? If not, can you work towards a feature-freeze and code-freeze date in early October so we can do an Oct 15-Nov 15 drive?

    On a "how to stop wasting time undoing the work of well-meaning but under-qualified reviewers, while still encouraging reviewers to gain experience," do we want to have a "novice" category for editors with under, say, 3 months or 1000 edits in articles or WP/WT:AFC space, where accepts or declines DO NOT COUNT but an AFC comment that suggests "decline, because..." or "accept" AND where a more experienced editor endorses the comment? Can that be coded in time? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:21, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hey David, "dev teamster" here. ;) The development pattern is this:
    write code for a feature → this feature is tested by the script developers for any period of time from a few days to a few weeks → the feature is then released for beta testers, and they test it for a few weeks → then the feature is finally merged into the live gadget file
    With this in mind, how does a September 25th release date sound (in others words, on September 25th, bump all the different stages up one: all new source that's been piling up goes to beta testers, and all code that's been tested by beta testers for a few weeks goes to the master gadget)? With out current setup it is very unlikely that bugs are encountered in the live release (since we have so much vetting beforehand), but this would still give us nearly a week before the drive begins on October 1st. Theopolisme (talk) 00:47, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The question is, will what is in Beta on Sept. 24 be baked enough to go live? If you can turn Beta into a release-candidate long enough before the 25th so it is rock-solid, then yes. If it's already too late to make that commitment (11 days isn't much time), then we wait. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Beta has been "stable" since 11 September 2013 and will not be changed further before the 24th. I believe the answer to your question is yes – if things change I'll be sure to let you know as soon as possible, but at this point, a (stable) freeze on the 25th is quite doable. Theopolisme (talk) 03:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds like a plan. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 05:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Davidwr and Theopolisme: How about if there is a little indicator added to the edit summary (anything maybe a ‡ character) for possibly "inexperienced" users so that when the October backlog drives starts, it will be quick to identify those that may need a quick look over to make sure? This could also be a very useful instructional tool where we would be able to see that such and such inexperienced user kept making this error and we can send them relevant information so they can be more informed and do it better the next time. On this same note Theo, we could shorten the "beta" note to "ß" and developer to "Ð" or something. Yay or nay? Technical 13 (talk) 13:12, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ooh, that indicator is quite a good idea! I'd be happy to write the code for that, if we could hammer down exactly what measures we want to use to indicate "inexperienced"... As far as shorting the edit summaries goes, I'm kind of inclined to leave the full words there, if only for clarity's sake. Theopolisme (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, thinking some more. What if we just used an edit filter to catch something like (I'm not sure if this is possible) "edits with ([[WP:AFCH|AFCH]]) in the summary made by users with < xyz edits" or whatever. That seems like it'd be a lot more effective in that it'd allow people to instantly see possible inexperienced reviewers without having to write any additional code. Thoughts? Theopolisme (talk) 14:19, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd rather not have it as an edit filter. Too much red tape involved to get that added and would be a pain for us to be able to modify. I think that if wgUserGroups.length > 3 that they should be considered "experienced" or if they are (auto)?confirmed and have more than six months and 500-1000 non-bot-like edits to mainspace? Technical 13 (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think setting the bar at 100 mainspace edits is kind of on the low side. I would think that at a minimum it should be 200 and at least 1-3 months. Also, that in summary isn't inclusive, they could skip the filter by using the beta or dev version which has been advertised. Maybe something like:
                        article_namespace = 5 &
                    user_editcount < 250 &
                    user_age > 23587200 &
                    "\(\[\[WP:AFCH\|AFCH\]\].*?\)" in summary
    What do you think? Technical 13 (talk) 14:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Some submissions are in the Wikipedia: namespace (4), so it should be included as well (but in that case you might want to exclude Wikipedia:Articles for creation/recent from the filter so we don't have two entires for each review). Also, will this filter catch accepted articles (i.e., articles that are moved to the mainspace)? In its current implementation I don't believe so (since the page is moved -- the namespace changes -- before the "cleaning up after move (AFCH)" edit is made), although I could be mistaken. Theopolisme (talk) 14:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, I merged in some of T13's changes (I'm still unsure whether checking user_age is a good idea), and set an ignore for WP:AFC/recent. I'll ask a more experienced AF editor on how to check page moves (there are moved_from variables, but im not sure if they will be defined when it's just an edit). Legoktm (talk) 00:25, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, in retrospect it's kind of a moot point as the script has a "Cleaning up submission after move" edit anyways, which would be caught since it includes (WP:AFCH) in the summary. For those edits to be picked up, you'd need to simply change allow both Wikipedia_talk and the mainspace. Theopolisme (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I have already created the drive page per a discussion on IRC - it can be found at October 2013 Backlog Elimination Drive. --Mdann52talk to me! 07:41, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    That link was actually a redlink. Hope you don't mind me fixing it. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 11:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Watchlist sending me to the wrong page

    I have Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewer help on my watchlist. Twice today when an item came up on my watchlist and I clicked on it, the link looked correct on the list, but I actually was sent to the main page of this Wikiproject. Does anyone know what could be causing this? Has anyone else had this happen? —Anne Delong (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    If you go back to your watchlist and click the link again, does the same behavior occur? In other words, was it a one-time issue or can you replicate it? Might be worth bringing up at WP:VPT with specifics. Theopolisme (talk) 00:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Looked into this and I believe you were actually seeing Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewer help (not the talk page), which Buffbills7701 redirected to the main project page earlier today. [5] Theopolisme (talk) 01:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, If necessary, I'm fine with having it deleted. buffbills7701 01:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    No, not at all; on the contrary, it was quite a sane and useful redirect (talk page is about the project, hence it makes sense for the associated Wikipedia namespace page to redirect the project as well). Theopolisme (talk) 02:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    No sign of "Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewer_help" in my watchlist, only "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewer_help", which now seems to forward me to the correct spot. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    When you watchlist a talk page, the system automatically also notifies you of changes to the associated main namespace page. Theopolisme (talk) 02:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah! Thanks. That must be what happened. Sorry to cause work for nothing. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Null-edit bot turned off?

    There should be a bot doing null edits at least every day on all pending submissions so they stay in the right "age" category. Is it turned off? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    "Place under review" is broken in the "gadget" version of the AFC Helper Script

    The development script works fine. I'm not sure about the beta script. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Helper script#Placing submissions under review blindly picks top template for details. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    {{AFC submission}} and CSD G13

    Resolved

    When a review hasn't been requested, the template says:

    "Article not currently submitted for review.

    This is a draft Articles for creation submission. It is not currently pending review. There is no deadline, you can take your time writing this draft."

    The new G13 criterion makes the last sentence inaccurate. It could be updated to something like "if no edits are made to the draft for half a year it may be deleted." —rybec 08:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Change to add the spectre of G13 has been added to the draft template. Hasteur (talk) 16:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/October 2013 Backlog Elimination Drive

    Hello reviewers! With Technical 13's help, I've kicked off the October backlog drive discussion at the above talk page. If you are planning to take part, please feel free to leave your comments, and remember to sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/October 2013 Backlog Elimination Drive. 13 days to go.... —Anne Delong (talk) 00:15, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hope you guys and gals will manage without me this time. ;) October is a very busy month for me so my Wiki-time will be very limited. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I am concerned about "son of Arctic Kangaroo" appearing and declining tenured professors of Yale University because a paragraph didn't have inline cites .... but we'll see what happens. All in all, I think we might just need to keep the backlog drive going permanently and come down hard on anyone making too many mistakes. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm concerned with that as well, however there is a new edit filter that should be able to help us detect that sort of thing happening. legoktm, can rate limits be set on the edit filter so that individuals below the threshold can only do like 12 an hour or 1 every five minutes specifically? I think that once they realized they are forced to spend a little time on each, they will actually look at the drafts as a "might as well" if they really want to help or they'll say "the heck with it" which isn't bad if they were just going to click-decline, click-decline, click-decline... If legoktm can set that 5 minute requirement, would everyone else support that? Technical 13 (talk) 12:38, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, five minutes may not be needed to decline a blank page, but for anything else it's not a bad limit. Is this going to be complicated? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Should everything here except the announcement be moved to the backlog drive page? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    G13 bot too fast

    can the G13 bot be slowed down a bit? There are around 200 nominations in the CSD cat right now. I don't know how other admins process these, but I review each one individually, and it takes time... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Kudpung Please Review Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/HasteurBot. Bot is staying WITHIN processing limits. I've declined to add further restrictions on what I consider an unreasonable request. The bot checks the count of CSD:G13 nominations and tries to nominate enough payments to get the category up to 50 nominations. Please open a request at BRFA requesting a modification as I am unwilling to further restrict the bot's hands. At one period the bot was doing up to 75 at a time per admin greenlight to move faster. Hasteur (talk) 14:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/is [redacted] an idiot??

    I found the above page. This would be declined anyway, but I thought I would notify you. George8211 19:06, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you. I have marked it for speedy deletion as an attack page. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:09, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Just being WP:POINTy, but I modified the title so this page isn't violating policy. Yes, I realize the text had to be there but now that the issue is resolved, it doesn't. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    A way to handle this in the future: Bury the actual title under a pipe, like so: this link. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Backlog drive changes

    Hey, just wanted to alert you to some suggestions Anne Delong made over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/October_2013_Backlog_Elimination_Drive. Excirial has said that he will make the changes if support is indicated. So, please check out the suggested rule changes and make your comments. theonesean 20:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    New reviewers

    Dear reviewers: There have been several new editions to the reviewers' list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants in the past few days, including one whose very first edit was to sign up for reviewing, and then submitted an article for review that shows some expertise. I hope the problems during the July drive are not cropping up again already. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Accept- and decline-by-date-of- to help in the review-the-review process

    Unresolved

    I've drafted some changes to some templates to make it easier to check for recently-accepted and recently-declined submissions. In addition to helping out with the contest, this will make it easier to track the accepts and declines for new reviews so we can guide those who need help them sooner rather than after days of damage has been done.

    See this since-reverted edit to Talk:Parotidectomy and this since-reverted edit to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sweaty Neck Syndrome to see how it looks.

    Here are the other files I've changed to make this happen:

    Thoughts? Anyone see any problems with the changes or anyone who would recommend a different way of accomplishing the same goal (and who has the template-coding skills to make it happen)?

    Work that will need to be done:

    • A bot will need to create the categories each day.
    • The categories will need to have appropriate parent categories and appropriate descriptions.

    davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Marking "unresolved":
    • Do we want to do this for the October drive or defer discussion until later?
    • Are there any bots/scripts/categories/counters that depend on the existing category structure, and if so, will the existing categories need to be maintained as well (they are NOT maintained in the above diffs)?
    davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Here are some existing ways to look at submissions: Template:Afc statistics and Afc submissions by date. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation for all submissions or not?

    Dear reviewers: I didn't get an answer to my question above at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#Preferred space for Afc reviews, so I am reposting. It may effect the pass/fail results in the backlog elimination drive, so I think we need a consensus one way or the other about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne Delong (talk • contribs) 21:18, 20 September 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

    Should submissions be moved to "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Article name" before being reviewed? (Likely blank submissions would be an exception to this.)

    If the submission has a chance at being accepted, Move it to AfC space. If not, manually decline the submission and don't get credit for the submission being done by you. Personally, (and I've mentioned this elsewhere) it really doesn't matter for how many you do, just that you do quality reviewing. Hasteur (talk) 21:30, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Hasteur. I don't move submissions that I don't think will ever be accepted, because they just waste the name if they're in AfC space. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:09, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    If my vote does count, then it is Yes. Submissions should not be moved to "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Article name". I'm agree to all points well listed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#Preferred space for Afc reviews. I'm elaborating the no.3. Related problem presently being discussed on the creator and review's talk pages, if it could be onto submission talk page, more editors would be able/available to give their consent related to the submission and creator's query. New editors(I'm one of them) sometimes fail to solve concerns raised by the creator on their respective talk pages, though they try to and consequently it results into frustration of new contributors of Wiki polices and guidelines as they were not explained to them in most efficient manner. More editors at one place would lead to a consensus on disputed submissions. This applies on i.p contributors too. Wikipedia loses a good number of articles and contributors( and active contributors) regarding this vexation. AnupMehra ✈ 05:08, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I feel that everything with any content should be moved out of user space and into Wikipedia talk: once it's submitted. That way it can be eventually deleted by G13 instead of hanging around in sandboxes, and user pages for years. Material declined in sandboxes and user pages is left with several categories attached, whereas if it is moved out the user has a clean page to reuse. Jackmcbarn, can you explain what you mean by "waste the name"? Do you mean because another person may make a submission about the same topic? If so, this isn't a problem. In Afc, the second article is just called Pagename (2) or something like that, and when accepted the article name is changed anyway. I also find that when I try to move them and can't it's usually because of a cut and paste situation that has to be dealt with and otherwise may have been missed. I agree with Hasteur about the quality reviewing. However, it seems that some people do enjoy a little incentive, and we haven't so far found another way to get the backlog down. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:19, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I know you can just add the (2), but it still feels like polluting the AfC space for no reason. At the very least, if something is declined as a copyvio or BLP violation (or something else speedy deletable) don't move it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 12:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Anupmehra, your answer is a little confusing. You say yes, but then you say the articles should not be moved. Did you mean yes, they should be moved, or no, they should not be moved? —Anne Delong (talk) 05:23, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Ha! I changed it to Yes from No to not confuse and to read, Yes, they should not be moved. Unfortunately, Despite my efforts to make it less confusing, I made it more confusing.This is what I was talking about. AnupMehra ✈ 05:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    @Anne Delong: There have been many cases when some article was deleted multiple times for unambiguous/advertising, was later improved in the sandbox, re-submitted, reviewed and moved into article space. related to, "That way it can be eventually deleted by G13 instead of hanging around in sandboxes, and user pages for years." AnupMehra ✈ 06:07, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    This is all true, but doesn't really affect the issue. Whether the article is left in a sandbox or is moved to "Wikipedia talk", it is just as likely to be deleted as advertising, and it can still be recreated in a sandbox and resubmitted, no matter where it was when it was deleted. —Anne Delong (talk) 06:20, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    How does it affect is, It seems to discouraging new contributors who doesn't have an idea what does Wikipedia stands for and what its policies and guidelines are. For example, If you delete something, I submit to AfC. I might re-create and re-submit it second and third time but I probably would not do the same fourth time, as I would supposedly be annoyed by reviewer of my submission and hence Wikipedia. And in turn, Wikipedia would have one less contributor and a new article. There are 4,332,045 articles, 19,722,384 user accounts, and only around 20,000 active contributors on English Wikipedia2007 data. Wikipedia statistics, Have you stoppped editing Wikipedia, theguardian, technology blog, 2009.Just an example from a new contributor perspective. AnupMehra ✈ 08:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • PENDING userspace submissions which have any hope of becoming an article should be moved OR the submission should be changed to DRAFT ("T" state) and the editor notified. Which to do should be at the reviewer's discretion.
    • PENDING userspace submissions that have NO HOPE of ever becoming articles (e.g. blank submissions, hoaxes, "my best friend is a" submissions, etc.) should either be speedy-deleted if warranted (e.g. copyvio, attack, etc.) or of speedy-deletion is not warranted, stripped of the AFC submission template entirely and the editor notified.
    • Userspace submissions that were recently put UNDER REVIEW ("R" state) by an experienced reviewer should be handled by the reviewer who placed them under review. In general, this should never happen but reviewers are entitled to WP:Ignore all rules if a situation calls for it.
    • Other userspace submissions in the UNDER REVIEW state should be treated on a case by case basis by reviewers, depending on the state of the submission, who put it under review (e.g. the submitter, an inexperienced reviewer, someone not familiar with AFC but not the submitter, etc.) and when (e.g. recently or long ago), and the submitter's intent (does he intend on this being submitted and reviewed, or is he just testing the templates?).
    • Userspace submissions in the DRAFT state should be left alone unless the presence of the template is causing technical problems or it will cause undesired behavior in the future (e.g. a G-13 deletion where that may not be desired).
    • Userspace submissions in other states (e.g. declined/"D" state) should be handled in a case-by-case basis, with any action driven by the goal of avoiding technical problem, helping the encyclopedia, complying with policy, and helping the editor, not necessarily in that order.
    Bottom line: Any consensus we develop will need to leave room for "reviewer's discretion" as user-space is considered to "belong" to the user, but a legitimately placed submission template put on by a submitter who knows what he is doing, and who is not experimenting should be treated as a request to review the page, which (at least for submissions that have a snowball's chance of ever being accepted) means moving them to WT:AFC/ space. Bear in mind that some users don't know what they are doing, and some are experimenting with the templates, and none of us are very good at mind-reading.
    davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    davidwr, when articles are submitted, some categories are attached to them. In cases where it seems that a sandbox or user page was submitted accidentally or through misunderstanding, should we delete those categories as well as remove the template, so that it's as if it never happened? Or should the categories be left for some reason? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Categories for article-space shouldn't be in user-space pages anyways. I think at one time a bot went around and added a colon to such categories. In any case, I routinely add colons to categories if they are inappropriate for that "space" (e.g. user-space, user-talk-space, etc.) independent of the AFC process. I do give the page "owner" or major contributor a heads-up though, just as a courtesy. The issue of templates that categorize pages can be a bit tricker, but this applies in both "WT:AFC/" space and in user-space. Yes, such categories are bad, but sometimes not showing the template as it is meant to look is worse. So this is going to be an editor-discretion thing. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was talking about categories added by the Afc submission process. For example, "Category:Afc submissions January 1 2013", "Category:Afc submissions declined as advertising". I don't think removing these will mess up the page, but it might mess up the statistical data that the category was meant to collect. However, since a lot of old submissions are now being deleted, that data will be lost anyway. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    New topic - Editor retention and encouragement

    In reply to Anupmehra: What you are describing is a serious problem, (not related to whether the drafts are moved to Afc space or reviewed in the user space). Many of the reviewers have been discussing ways to encourage new editors to keep working on their drafts and not give up. Here are some things that are being done:

    • One great improvement this year is the Teahouse. Recently our reviewing script gives us a way to send new editors an invitation, and many of them are taking advantage of it.
    • Reviewers are leaving extra comments with very specific information, telling everything that needs to be fixed, rather than just mentioning one problem on each decline. That way the articles are not declined over and over unless the submitter doesn't take the reviewer's advice.
    • If there are minor formatting problems or a missing "reflist", we fix these up ourselves.
    • We notify interest Wikiproject about submissions in their area of interest, and sometimes editors there will fix up a submission or take a new editor under their wing.
    • We don't insist that articles be perfect before accepting them, only that they are good enough that they probably won't be deleted.

    However, with 2,000 articles waiting for review, sometimes there isn't much time to help each new editor the way we would like - we need to recruit more reviewers! That's one of the reasons that we are having a backlog drive next month. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:29, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I would be in favor of creating an automated way of listing active, experienced editors. For example, a bot that creates such a list might define "active" as "editors with at least 10 edits in the last 30 days and at least 100 edits in the last 90 days" and "experienced" as "having at least 50 edits per month in 3 to 12 different months with a total of 600 edits over those months (e.g. 50 edits/month for a year, or 2 months of 50 edits + 1 month of 500 edits, or some other combination) and at least 2000 edits total." Such a bot would probably exclude edits more than, say, 3 years ago, from his counts, to avoid picking up long-time editors who have only edited minimally in recent years. Deleted edits would not count of course. Such a list would be valuable for recruitment purposes for all WikiProjects, not just this one.
    The resulting list could also be the starting point for an AFC-specific recruitment-list-generating bot that discarded those editors who, in the last few years, hadn't created at least 10 articles and/or moved at least as many articles into "main space," not counting recently-created or -moved articles or articles which were later deleted or which are currently tagged for possible deletion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:11, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You may want to check out this page: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks like something like this is already being done. See Wikipedia:Database reports/Potential reviewer candidates, which is an auto-generated list of candidates for the "reviewer" permission. See also Wikipedia:Database reports. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC) Clarification: "Reviewer" in that list has absolutely nothing to do with being an AFC reviewer. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Does that mean a decision has been made? I don't see a closing of the Rfc, which wasn't very specific anyway. Did I miss another discussion? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:28, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    (and by the way, the criteria on that list eliminate me, although I have over 20,000 edits). —Anne Delong (talk) 03:32, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Me too (too new). —rybec 03:36, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    davidwr, I am wondering why you are saying that deleted edits don't count. My edits are always being deleted because I am nominating copyvios, test edits, attack pages, my own old user pages that are now articles, etc., for deletion and requesting history merges. These edits all died in a good cause. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:23, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Also, it's obvious that the criteria I put up above won't work very well if they are an absolute minimum for participation at AFC. However, they might work well for the purpose fo sending out invitations to potential reviewers as part of a recruitment drive. But to answer your question: An editor with 1000 deleted edits plus 1000 non-deleted edits probably has had some of his own creations deleted, and should be treated more like an editor with 1000 non-deleted edits and 0 deleted edits than someone with 2000 non-deleted edits and 0 deleted edits. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:44, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Expression error: Unexpected < operator....

    I clicked on the "Backlog Drive" tab and this error message was displayed next to the letter-i-in-a-circle icon at the top of the page. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    @Technical 13: It seems to come from {{AfC backlog elimination drive|start|event}}. I see it when viewing some of the old revisions, such as this. There were some recent changes to Template:AfC_backlog_elimination_drive. —rybec 23:27, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It's fixed: I changed Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Backlog_elimination_drives to use the new syntax. —rybec 23:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    What exactly did you change? I just fixed all of the old backlog pages and hope that we didn't undo each others fixes. Technical 13 (talk) 23:48, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    diff —rybec 23:57, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Template:Courtesy blanked

    As an alternative to {{afc cleared}}, consider using {{courtesy blanked}} for pages where no policy has been violated but it's in everyone's best interest to suppress the content. Examples would be non-notable autobiographies or autobiographies that are not policy-violating but which the submitter is naive about the consequences of putting such information online. Remember, some web sites do mirror AFC submissions and Google does index some of them them (I know of only one such site up right now, but others could appear at any time).

    This template must be subst:ituted to work. It will warn you if you forget. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:29, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    This is an interesting idea, davidwr. I do worry about those mirror sites. Is there a policy that covers this? I tried this in a sandbox, and although it leaves a message, it doesn't actually blank anything. I presume that you would have to do that manually. The message also doesn't explain the reason for the blanking, or how to get the text back for further editing, so maybe a note to the submitter would be a good idea to prevent misunderstanding. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The mirror sites don't always respect the NOINDEX, and the blanking message in the script is a little daunting. It would be nice to have a way of making the text invisible to the mirrors, but indicate to the submitters "click here to continue improving this article" which would undo the blanking. A radical approach might be to do this with all declined submissions (but I am not suggesting this).—Anne Delong (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Edit requests on 22 September 2013

    Please update Template:AFC submission to use the code in the /sandbox to remove pages in user space from the Category:AfC submissions in userspace category. This is cleanup per WP:SUBCAT (A page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory or parent category) after the below two requests are completed. Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Please update Template:AFC submission/declined to use the code in the /sandbox to add pages in user space to the Category:Declined AfC submissions in userspace category. Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Please update Template:AFC submission/draft to use the code in the /sandbox to add pages in user space to the Category:AfC drafts in userspace category. Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

     Not done for now: I do not wish to action (2) & (3) as they stand, since both would change one link from WP:G13 (which works) to CSD:G13 which is presently not functioning as a redirect. I cannot carry out (1) either, since that depends upon (2) & (3) - but not because of CSD:G13. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Redrose64, this edit resolves that problem. The redirect now works properly. Technical 13 (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    CAUTION - I was proposing changes in those sandboxes in the last week or so. Make sure that my proposed edits are NOT merged in without discussion (see #Accept- and decline-by-date-of- to help in the review-the-review process above). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Anne Delong/G13 Rescue squad

    Dear editors: I have started a page to keep track of which G13 articles I have checked to see if they have salvageable content and should be removed from the path of deletion. The bot nominates submissions by month and then alphabetically, so if anyone wants to take a letter of the alphabet in any month and check through it (or knows that it's already been done), I would appreciate it if he or she would then mark that off on my list (if you want to) so that I won't be checking ones that others have already been through. If this becomes useful to others besides myself I will move it to project space. Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Please watch for the following editors in about a month

    Please watch for either Khalibali (talk · contribs) or Viii007 (talk · contribs) to re-appear and start reviewing articles when he comes off block a month from now. He was banned for a month for sockpuppetry, but it's not clear which of the two accounts is the "master" yet. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Viii007.

    I mention this because a number of articles this person has approved using his multiple accounts have wound up at WP:AFD, which indicates he is clearly not ready to review articles. Any articles he approves in the first few weeks after he comes back should be re-reviewed and sent to AFD if necessary. I will put a link to this discussion on both talk pages. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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