Template talk:Information

Note: The description below the template can be edited at Template:Information/doc

Description of template on talk page

I moved the description of the template from the template itself to the talk page. A template such as this has the potential to be used on many, many pages, and any modifications to it could possibly slow down the entire site. Having the usage description here on the talk page allows us to update the documentation without modifying the template itself. ~MDD4696 00:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Moved to /doc Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 20:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Date & time-stamp

Please see discussion on Commons for a proposal to upgrade Commons' version of this template, to include an hCalendar date-time-stamp and location information in an hCard microformat. Any such changes should be mirrored in this template. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 20:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Permission

Shouldn't the permission field read "Copyright status" or "Licence": we don't use images with Wikipedia-specific permission any more. Physchim62 (talk) 16:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

location field

What happened to the location field? For example, see Image:Hammarlund Comet Pro.JPG which used to show "Location" in the template.--mikeu (talk) 15:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The location parameter is still asked for on the file/image upload page. It is useful in that context. Is there a good reason it's not actually used by the template? --J Clear (talk) 13:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Add lowercase parameters

{{editprotected}}

Please can the template be updated to the following:

{| summary="A standardized table providing complete information about the file, including description of what it shows and how it was made, copyright status and source." class="toccolours" style="width: 100%" cellpadding="2"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; padding-right: 0.4em; width: 15%" id="fileinfotpl_desc" |Description
|
{{ #if: {{{Description|{{{description|}}}}}} | {{{Description|{{{description}}}}}} | {{Description missing}} }}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em" id="fileinfotpl_src" | Source
|
{{#if:{{{Source|{{{source|}}}}}}|{{{Source{{{source|}}}}}}|[[Category:Images without source|{{PAGENAME}}]] No source specified. Please edit this image description and provide a source.}}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; white-space: nowrap" id="fileinfotpl_date" | Date
|
{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em" id="fileinfotpl_aut" | Author
|
{{ #if: {{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}} | {{{Author|{{{author}}}}}} | {{Description missing|author information}} }}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em" id="fileinfotpl_perm" | Permission<br /><small>([[Commons:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia|Reusing this image]])</small>
|
{{#if:{{{Permission|{{{permission|}}}}}}|{{{Permission|{{{permission}}}}}}|See below.}}
{{#switch: {{{other_versions|}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{other_versions}}}</td></tr>}}
|}<noinclude>
{{Documentation, template}}</noinclude>

This will permit redirection of Template:Image information, make the template more userfriendly, and generally help out. Happy‑melon 21:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Y Done - Nihiltres^{t.l} 17:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}There was a misprint: {{{Source{{{source|}}}}}} should be {{{Source|{{{source|}}}}}}. Check the effect on Image:Devanagari INSCRIPT.png.--Imz (talk) 21:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. --- RockMFR 03:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Minor tweak

{{editprotected}} I'd like to suggest that the equal signs in the template be lined up for aesthetic reasons, like this:

{{Information
| Description    = 
| Source         = 
| Date           =  
| Author         = 
| Permission     = 
| other_versions = 
}}

Also, why is the last parameter "other_versons" rather than capitalized "Other_versions" like the others? — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 12:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

 Not done - in the template itself, it's impractical - there's so much else there (if this then that) that it wouldn't be noticed. If you're talking about the documentation - feel free to do it yourself. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Images lacking a description

Does anyone know why images like Image:Yu gi oh ver1.jpg are being placed in Category:Images lacking a description? The description parameter seems to be completed. -- 05:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see that it requires the author parameter to be filled in. Question, would anyone object if I removed the following line:

{{ #if: {{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}} | {{{Author|{{{author}}}}}} | {{Description missing|author information}} }}

making it so that images without the author field filled in are now ignored? If not, I would suggest moving to another category like Category:Images lacking an author or something. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Can something do the edit requested above? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done Created Category:Images lacking an author. Do with it as you will :D. Happy‑melon 08:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editprotected}} In the template, please change Category:Images without source to Category:Images with unknown source. "Images without source" is the name of the equivalent category on Commons, while English Wikipedia uses the latter category. Also, in the "please provide a source" message that shows if a source isn't given, please wikilink back to WP:CITE#IMAGE so the uploader knows what we're looking for. Kelly ^hi! 21:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the recommendations.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editprotected}} I'm so sorry I didn't notice this yesterday - the "Category:Images with unknown source" found in the template needs to have "includeonly" tags placed around it so that the template itself isn't included in the category. And while in there, please change {{documentation, template}} to just {{documentation}}. Thank you! Kelly ^hi! 13:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Also done. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

Reword template to be less agressive, in particular change no source field to something like. 'No source currently specified, Can you help provide one?'

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

per Wikipedia:Per, if you require an edit, could you please give the exact details of your suggestion - and please demonstrate a clear consensus decision to make the edit.  Chzz  ►  05:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Bring one parameter in line - request

{{editprotected}}

As an uncontroversial improvement, I'd like to request to change the parameter "other-versions" to a capitalised "Other_versions" as all other parameters. That would mean changing

{{#switch: {{{other_versions|}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{other_versions}}}</td></tr>}}

to

{{#switch: {{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions|}}}}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions}}}}}}</td></tr>}}

Of course the documentation should be changed accordingly, which you can do, or I can do as well. Debresser (talk) 16:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the code, and I see in the template code that all the other parameters already support being fed with both upper and lower case first character in the parameter names.

But for the documentation I think we should go the other way. This template needs to be compatible with the same template at Commons to make moving of images to Commons easier. I see that the Commons version support both upper and lower case first character for all its parameters, but its documentation recommend lower case. And the current praxis here at Wikipedia is to use all lower case for parameter names in most templates.

I haven't had breakfast yet so I'll leave the edit to some other admin that is more awake (I tend to screw things up before breakfast).

Oh, and isn't this template also added by the file upload interface? Then we should consider updating the defaults it uses there.

--David Göthberg (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I subscribe to David Göthberg's suggestion to use lowercase parameters in the documentation, and since that can be changed even now, I shall do so. Debresser (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

In addition, I would very much like to know the location of those file upload interface templates. I have been looking for them. Debresser (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I looked around. Oddly enough the default {{Information|...}} in the file upload interface is not added by a system message, instead it is added directly in the URLs used on Wikipedia:Upload. We should update those URLs too. But first we should announce this on Wikipedia talk:Upload.

--David Göthberg (talk) 23:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

We should indeed update those URLs as well. Debresser (talk) 23:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

To make it even nicer, we could use

{{#switch: {{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions|{{{other versions|}}}}}}}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions|{{{other versions|}}}}}}}}}</td></tr>}}

Then we could remove that underscore and make the parameter "other versions". I once was involved in doing that to a few templates connected with Template:Album_cover_fur, together with User:Rich Farmbrough. Debresser (talk) 23:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, what I was looking for is where the code for files is determined. In very simple words: where should I make an edit to add a whiteline in front of the == License == header in e.g. File:Vatteluttu.png (and all other files), which reads:

== Summary ==
My own photograph
== Licensing ==
{{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers|migration=relicense}}

Debresser (talk) 23:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I added two missing pipes "|" in your code above.

I agree that using the parameter name without underscore is nicer. Note that the documentation at Commons currently recommends "other_fields=", but the Commons version of the template can handle the parameter without underscore too, and the Commons doc has been changed several times lately without any discussion.

And I looked around, the "== Licensing ==" text is not especially configurable since it seems most of it is hardcoded in the MediaWiki code, only the word "Licensing" itself can be edit in MediaWiki:License-header. And once a file has been uploaded that text is stored on the file page itself, so a change in MediaWiki:License-header only affects later uploads.

And I have announced this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Upload.

--David Göthberg (talk) 01:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Y Done - I added the above code to the template, and did some other minor fixes. Sorry that it took so long.

--David Göthberg (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Good change. The first pipe I forgot, but the second pipe wasn't in the original code either. That is why I didn't add it.

Why did you move the protection template to the template itself? I prefer them on the documentation pages, and that is also what it says on Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Templates. Not that it is an important enough issue to change it back, but I don't see why it has to be moved into the template either. Or did you add it to the template first, and didn't notice that there was one in the documentation already?

So what should I do, meaning probably "where should I post", to have that whiteline in front of the License header? Debresser (talk) 06:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the protection template: I have copied that part of your message to Wikipedia talk:Protection policy#Template protection and responded there.

And regarding the "== Licensing ==" header: That would take first a discussion on the tech Village Pump to get input from more users and achieve consensus, then a bugzilla bug to report it to the devs. But it would mean a change to all Wikimedia projects, and many users prefer to not have space around the headers (but I like space), so I think your chance to get the change is about 0.5%, while your risk of annoying a lot of people is about 70%. So I recommend you forget about it. Sorry.

--David Göthberg (talk) 09:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 11:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit request for reuse text

{{editprotected}} Please fix Presently, this template generates the text "Reusing this image" but the Image: namespace was renamed File: several months ago and this template is generated if someone is uploading audio, images, or video. I suggest amending it to read "Reusing this file." Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 117Avenue, 13 January 2011

{{edit protected}} In the source line, please replace the WP:CITE#IMAGE link with Wikipedia:Citing sources#Multimedia, as the former has become dead. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 00:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Non-portable template

{{Information}} uses HTML table code to conditionally display the "Other versions" table row. This makes the template non-portable to non-Wikimedia wikis that are not running HTML Tidy the same way as Wikipedia does. A portable version is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Transwiki/Template:Information. See also:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Transwiki#Special templates
• Wikipedia:Conditional tables

--Teratornis (talk) 18:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Not seeing Template:Information on Commons-hosted images

For whatever reason, this template (and, actually, all other templates) aren't showing up on the local pages of Commons-hosted images (ie, most free images - see here, for example). At the same time, the template is viewable on Commons-hosted images on their Commons pages (see here), as well as English Wikipedia-hosted images (ie, fair use images, free files that haven't been migrated to Commons - see here). I doubt this is exactly the right place to ask about this, but does anyone have any idea where and why the templates have gone, or, if not, where else to ask about this? I'll try the Village Pump too, I suppose... Anyhow, thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 19:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

Please consider changing the recomended notifcation for missing authorship to use {{add-author-I}} instead of {{add-desc-I}} as the former was worded to be more specific. Thank you Sfan00 IMG

(talk) 13:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Ammended Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Rationale for above request, is that it allows a more targeted notification to be sent to users, and could also be used as a way of encouraging upoloaders to add sourcing/authourship in less agressive manner than CSD for no-source. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Added a couple of civilities, you seemed to forget. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done. For future info, this actually involved a change to Template:Description missing not this one. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

License tag goes where?

The doc does not make it clear to editors exactly where to insert the license tag. I think the intention is to use the general form of |Permission={{PD-US}} but that's only after quite a bit of guesswork. Can we please clear this up? LeadSongDog come howl! 19:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I think a template from Category:Wikipedia image copyright templates is placed on the file's page. The confusion may arise from the difference between this template and Commons:Template:Information. Senator2029║talk 18:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC) SENATOR2029 talk 22:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Citing sources#Multimedia

I can't find in Wikipedia:Citing sources neither any section with this title nor any information about how to cite sources in image's page. Please remove the wikilink (or at least that part '#Multimedia'). --Z 09:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 October 2012

Can someone please add a new field to the template

{{#if:{{{Additional information|{{{additional_information|}}}}}} | {{{Additional information|{{{additional_information}}}}}}

This field is intended to hold additional information relevant to the file that doesn't fit elsewhere. Please see also Wikipedia:Non-free content review#File:LewisAsTheTyro.jpg for where this is coming from. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 19:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you about this. I'm not quite sure where you want the new code to go - perhaps you could work up a version quickly in the sandbox? This template has more than 100,000 transclusions, so I want to get it right first time if possible. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 11:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I placed the field in the sandbox version. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've made some fixes to the sandbox version. You can see the results at Template:Information/testcases - was this the effect that you had in mind? Let me know if there are any issues with wording or the placement of the section, etc., and I'll fix them before putting the code up live. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 13:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. The main thing that came up during the discussion at WP:NFCR was that it would good to have a field that can hold information that is relevant to determining a files copyright status so that later it can be seen why some file was tagged as public domain or non-free or similar information in order to avoid bringing up the same stuff over and over again. Thanks very much for implementing this edit request. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 17:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Done Ok, it's up live. Could you update the documentation? Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 21:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Best. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Navbox version

Hello – Here's a {{Navbox}} version of this template that duplicates the current version except for:

• setting the same vertical alignment for the "Description", "Source", "Date" etc headers (groupnames) and their contents (lists);
• using italics to display the two default messages.

Any objection to my requesting that this version becomes the main template? Sardanaphalus (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Request now made below. Sardanaphalus (talk) 19:56, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 15 September 2014

Please replace the current version with this this version in the sandbox (current as of this message) per the above. Sardanaphalus (talk) 19:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Is the date field missing from the new version? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

• No and yes; it's there, but, like "Other versions" and "Additional information", it wouldn't've appeared until given a value. I've now amended it so that it appears regardless (i.e. as in the current main template) and updated the sandbox link above. Thanks for flagging, Sardanaphalus (talk) 22:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you! Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I doubt that this change was positive in terms of performance. Why transcluding an additional template? --Leyo 21:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Which template do you mean..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

  Navbox. --Leyo 17:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Ohh, you're thinking of the container, not something within. (I guess I was looking for some wood rather than considering the trees.) I suppose the same could be asked of any metatemplate – and if {{Navbox}}'s use was detrimental, I imagine it would've been amended or superseded before now. Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

This change broke compliance with the Commons machine-parsable metadata schema which requires the ids to be on the td/th element, not inside it. That in turn breaks the ability of tools like Media Viewer to display description and other data. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 09:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Tgr (WMF): Although I am not a fan of MV, I guess that others are, so Done Reverted. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! (Commons' metadata standard is actually much, much older than MediaViewer and used by other tools as well, such as the PDF exporter.) --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 14:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

• Version with previous Navbox-style formatting (but still the same wikitable). Please update the main template accordingly. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:09, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. Has this been OK'd by Tgr (WMF) (talk · contribs)? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)