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Again, welcome! abakharev 05:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Edit summaries like reverted edits by a nazi sympathizer are unacceptable abakharev 05:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Relax

Calm down! "Nazi Symphatisator"? "Sily"? You will get blocked is that what you want??

"Nazi Sympathizer" was two years ago. -YMB29 (talk) 01:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Я тоже Русский, и согласен с тобой! Ну чтобы выжить в Википедии надо искать нетральность. Ну выругаешь ты его, и что? Тебя блокируют нахрен и все, он будет радоваться! Нужно тебе это?? Культурно спорь, даже не с культурными людьми. Это всего лишь Википедия. Спокойнее! Знаешь сколько тут западников которые с радостью заблакируют всех Руских и привратят Википедию в свой агитационный ларек? Ну дашь им причину блокировать тебя! Кому от этого легче станет? Спокойнее! Тебя никто не торопит. Kostan1 (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Я знаю, но за "silly" меня не заблокируют. -YMB29 (talk) 01:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Please enter the talk page of the article. Kostan1 (talk) 11:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I uploaded the new version

Hope you agree on it. Kostan1 (talk) 11:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I owe you an apology

I'm sorry for taking you as the POV pusher in the article and for speaking to you with rudness. The reverts that Biophys just did, while at the same time you chose the talk page to bring up the points you don't agree with clearly showed me who is the POV pusher. I'm sorry. Kostan1 (talk) 13:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry you were not rude. I don't know what we are going to do with Biophys; talking to him is like banging your head against the wall... -YMB29 (talk) 00:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Please bring a link saying the NKVD Order No. 00689 lasted only for two years. Kostan1 (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I linked the article in my version and on the talk page. NKVD Order No. 00689 changed NKVD Order No. 00486. -YMB29 (talk) 00:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

A barnstar (your first?)

		The Original Barnstar
		For helping to bring the Human rights in the Soviet Union to an NPOV, for being civil and using the talk page for things you don't agree with, for reverting a user who clearly pushes his NPOV into the nutral version, even though you yourself don't agree with many things in it. In other words, for maturity. Continue to be a great user! Kostan1 (talk) 11:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. -YMB29 (talk) 04:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's talk?

Hi YMB29, maybe we should talk a little instead of edit waring? Is that you who edits in Russian WP as Deerhunter?Biophys (talk) 01:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

No it is not me.

If you want to finally talk then I am waiting for you to do so on the article's talk page. -YMB29 (talk) 01:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe later. I just wonder: you are doing almost nothing but reverts in a single article for the entire month. Do not you have anything better to do? You apparently came here from Russian WP. So, what are your real interests?Biophys (talk) 02:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not from Russian WP.

Look at what you are doing in that article. I can't add anything to the article because of your senseless reverting. If you can't discuss, then maybe you should stay away instead of always reverting. -YMB29 (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be best if we both edited something else. But this is up to you. Regards,Biophys (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

For some time maybe, but any future changes or reverts will have to be explained if asked. -YMB29 (talk) 18:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration case regarding the Eastern European mailing list

The Arbitration Committee has passed a motion to open a case to investigate allegations surrounding a private Eastern European mailing list. The contents of the motion can be viewed here.

You have been named as one of the parties to this case. Please take note of the explanations given in italics at the top of that section; if you have any further questions about the list of parties, please feel free to contact me on my talk page.

The Committee has explicitly requested that evidence be presented within one week of the case opening; ie. by September 25. Evidence can be presented on the evidence subpage of the case; please ensure that you follow the Committee instructions regarding the responsible and appropriate submission of evidence, as set out in the motion linked previously, should you choose to present evidence.

Please further note that, due to the exceptional nature of this case (insofar as it centers on the alleged contents of a private mailing list), the Committee has decided that the normal workshop format will not be used. The notice near the top of the cases' workshop page provides a detailed explanation of how it will be used in this case.

For the Arbitration Committee,
Daniel (talk) 01:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Editing restrictions

Please be informed that we are both placed under editing restrictions.Biophys (talk) 17:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope, this is not true. Only members of the secret email list are topic banned. The list of members is here: [1]. You can continue editing. Offliner (talk) 08:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Looks like Biophys does not want me to edit because he can't revert like he is used to. -YMB29 (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Arbcom clerk warning

You have recently engaged in a series of posts on ArbCom pages which contained highly charged assertions and hence breached the specific guidelines on user conduct handed down by ArbCom concerning the EEML case. You are thus receiving a first and final warning. Any further misconduct will result in a ban from the relevant ArbCom pages until the conclusion of the EEML case (except in direct response to an ArbCom question). Violation of that ban will result in blocking. Manning (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Read, read, read....

You have very certain opinions in the talk page of the Winter War. I see you are interested in Finnish-Russian wars, so I suggest you read some books written of these subjects. It would help as all, as there would be a necessity to explain military history basics. As the Finnish historian Timo Vihavainen said a week ago in an interviews, there is not so much different view of historical event between Finnish and Russian historians. Only some marginal Stalinists (he used the word, I would use some softer title) still dispute with historians. For a start, you could watch television documentry (spoken Russian, with Finnish subtitles) by Russian Televisio Channel in You Tube [2]. It has 10 episodes, total about 1 hour. Peltimikko (talk) 21:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

All those who don't share the Finnish view are Stalinists...

Anyway, thanks for the link, but what was the point of this message? I am not the one who is making POVed, uninformed edits or comments. -YMB29 (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry if I gave impression of that only the Finnish is right. Opening of the Moscow Archieves in the 1990s has generally backed the Finnish view of the Winter War, but also deepends our understanding of the war. However, as I have wrote in the Continuation War's talk page, the Finnish historians have also have to changed their earlier views. For example, earlier the Finnish histography saw the Continuation War as a separate war between Finland and the USSR, but in 1990s and especially in 2000s, historians, especially younger, see the war and an ally with Germany against the USSR. Peltimikko (talk) 08:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Well yes I agree that there is a better understanding now. However, there is still a lot that can be debated and subject to different interpretations. Are the Finnish archives open like the former Soviet ones? -YMB29 (talk) 15:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The Finnish archives are located in "Arkistolaitos" [3] (trivia: before 2008 there was the War Archives (Sota-arkisto), but became a part of bigger The National Archives Service (=Arkistolaitos)). Generally speaking the Finnish archives has been open for years, especially after the Soviet Union collapse, but there is an excetion: a couple of years ago the Finnish Defence Forces release couple of banned photos which can be seen in Commons (they were either too cruel or politically incorrect). Peltimikko (talk) 23:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the info. -YMB29 (talk) 15:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Re : Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list

This arbitration case has been closed, and the final decision may be viewed at the link above.

• User:Piotrus resigned the administrator tools during the case proceedings and may only seek to regain adminship by a new request for adminship or by request to the Arbitration Committee.
• User:Piotrus is banned for three months. At the conclusion of his ban, a one year topic ban on articles about Eastern Europe, their talk pages, and any related process discussion, widely construed, shall take effect.
• User:Digwuren is banned for one year. He is directed to edit Wikipedia from only a single user account, and advise the Arbitration Committee of the name of the account that he will use. Should he not advise the committee by the end of the one year ban, he will remain indefinitely banned until a single account is chosen.
• User:Digwuren is placed on a one year topic ban on articles about Eastern Europe, their talk pages, and any related process discussion, widely construed. This shall take effect following the expiration of both above mentioned bans.
• The following users are topic banned from articles about Eastern Europe, their associated talk pages, and any process discussion about same, widely construed, for one year:

• User:Biruitorul, User:Dc76, User:Martintg, User:Miacek, User:Radeksz, User:Vecrumba, User:Tymek

• User:Jacurek is topic banned from articles about Eastern Europe, their associated talk pages, and any process discussion about same, widely construed, for six months.
• User:Tymek is strongly admonished for having shared his account password. He is directed to keep his account for his own exclusive use, and not to allow any other person to use it under any circumstance.
• The editors sanctioned above (Piotrus, Digwuren, Martintg, Tymek, Jacurek, Radeksz, Dc76, Vecrumba, Biruitorul, Miacek) are prohibited from commenting on or unnecessarily interacting with Russavia on any page of Wikipedia, except for purposes of legitimate and necessary dispute resolution.
• All the participants to the mailing list are strongly admonished against coordinating on-wiki behavior off-wiki and directed to keep discussion of editing and dispute resolution strictly on wiki and in public. All editors are reminded that the editorial process and dispute resolution must take place on Wikipedia itself, using the article talk pages and project space for this purpose. No discussion held off-wiki can lead to a valid consensus, the basis of our editorial process. Off-wiki coordination is likely to lead to echo chambers where there is a false appearance of neutrality and consensus.

For the Arbitration Committee, Mailer Diablo 17:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC) - Discuss this

Re:

I saw your comment about me in Human rights in the Soviet Union. Next time, if you are going to complain about me personally, please do it at appropriate noticeboards, such as AE, ANI, etc. Thank you.Biophys (talk) 15:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

With regard to this your comment. Remember, WP:NPA, please.Biophys (talk) 22:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Now I can only quote the words by the sock of Mvei (see above at your talk page): "Ну выругаешь ты его, и что? Тебя блокируют нахрен и все, он будет радоваться! Нужно тебе это?? Культурно спорь, даже не с культурными людьми." Do you agree with Kostan1? I do.Biophys (talk) 05:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Are you trying to provoke me into saying something? -YMB29 (talk) 05:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I responded at article talk page because this is mostly about the content, at least on my part.Biophys (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I asked an advice here. Biophys (talk) 17:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

AE

I made a suggestion here. You may respond if you wish. Thank you.Biophys (talk) 13:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Russavia-Biophys

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Russavia-Biophys/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Russavia-Biophys/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 05:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Please be informed that I commented here.Biophys (talk) 22:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Russavia-Biophys

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following is a summary of the remedies enacted:

• Russavia (talk · contribs) is prohibited from commenting on or unnecessarily interacting with editors from the EEML case, except in the case of necessary dispute resolution.
• Vlad fedorov (talk · contribs), Ellol (talk · contribs), and YMB29 (talk · contribs) are banned from editing articles about the Soviet Union and former Soviet Republics, and all related articles, broadly construed, for a period of no less than 6 months. At the end of 6 months, they may each apply to have their ban reviewed by the Arbitration Committee.
• Biophys (talk · contribs) is banned from editing articles about the Soviet Union and former Soviet Republics, and all related articles, broadly construed, for a period of no less than 1 year. At the end of 1 year, Biophy may apply to have the ban reviewed by the Arbitration Committee.
• Consecutive to that topic ban, Biophys is restricted to 1 revert per week per article in the topic area for 1 year.
• Russavia and Vlad federov are admonished for posting personal information of other editors.
• Editors wishing to edit in the areas dealt with in this case are advised to edit carefully, to adopt Wikipedia's communal approaches (including appropriate conduct, dispute resolution, neutral point of view, no original research and verifiability) in their editing, and to amend behaviors that are deemed to be of concern by administrators. An editor unable or unwilling to do so may wish to restrict their editing to other topics, in order to avoid sanctions.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 22:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Discuss this

Editing restrictions and ongoing discussions

I'm sorry to hear you have been banned from editing or rather participating to the ongoing discussions on the Continuation War and the related topics. I'm rather dubious that making an appeal for getting you 'rights' to at least participate in the ongoing talk page discussions would do much good after reading the arbitration decisions. Though we have been mainly disagreeing on topics and occasionally i felt nearly like coming into blows that is pretty much exactly what should be expected when discussing a contested topic with able opponent.

I could still make an appeal for at least talk page rights or rather rights to continue and finish the currently ongoing discussions if you think that would be any of any help. Not sure where and how to do it though - I'm not really familiar with wiki arbitration system. - Wanderer602 (talk) 16:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. Yes even though we had intense arguments we could still come to an agreement and compromise (which was impossible with that other user).

Looks like the decision won't be changed now. Don't know why they made it; I guess they were in a rush to close the case... I asked about posting on talk pages and continuing the discussion, but this is not allowed also.

In a couple of months I can ask for a reconsideration of the topic ban. -YMB29 (talk) 20:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Eastern European mailing list

Following a motion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment:

Remedy 20 of Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list ("Miacek topic banned") is lifted.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, NW (Talk) 00:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Discuss this

Arbitration motion regarding Russavia-Biophys

Following the request for clarification that you filed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment on 21 April 2011, the Arbitration Committee has resolved that:

Remedy 8 ("YMB29 topic banned") of [Russavia-Biophys] is terminated, effective immediately. YMB29 is placed on a one-revert-per-day restriction in the relevant topic area ("articles about the Soviet Union and former Soviet Republics, and all related articles") for a period of one year. YMB29 is reminded to abide by the principles discussed in the decision, as well as all applicable Wikipedia policies and guidelines, in his future editing, and that he remains subject to discretionary sanctions under the terms of related decisions should he violate them.

For the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 12:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Discuss this

Your use of templates

From Template:Disputed & Template:Dubious and from other templates you prefer to post across the articles... All actually require the person making the claim to actually post description of the issue to the talk page. They are not for flagging items that an editor simply thinks might be incorrect. - Wanderer602 (talk) 16:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Again, please refer to Template:Dubious, Template:Synthesis, Template:Or before using them. Thank you. - Wanderer602 (talk) 07:31, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

We are discussing the issues on the talk page, so they are valid. -YMB29 (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually you should mark clearly in the talk what exactly in the tagged section is the problem, blanketing the article with tags and then stating that discussion is ongoing without clearly stating what exactly was the problem with the tagged sections is clearly not the way usage of those templates. - Wanderer602 (talk) 16:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Notification of ANI (incident) report

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - Wanderer602 (talk) 07:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal

Hi YMB29! Sorry for the few days' gap in discussion on the dispute resolution noticeboard. I've gone ahead and started a thread at the Mediation Cabal about Battle of Tali-Ihantala to get the ball rolling. The mediation page is located at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/24 October 2011/Battle of Tali-Ihantala. You don't need to do anything just yet - the next stage is finding a mediator. If you want to fill out more details about the dispute itself then that's fine, but there shouldn't be any discussion there just yet. Hopefully we can all find a speedy and peaceful resolution to all the issues there. All the best — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 14:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, hope everything is going well for you. I have decided to mediate the MedCab case myself, if that is ok by you. There are some ground rules I've made which I would like agreement to - you can find them at the mediation page linked to above. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 05:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks for deciding to mediate the case. -YMB29 (talk) 15:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi again YMB29. About these tags and these tags - sorry, but I think they are best left out for the duration of the mediation. I can appreciate that you might want to warn readers about the things being disputed, but because of the number of statements under dispute, I think this is better done by the neutrality dispute banner right at the top of the page. The banner at the top of the page is a big bright warning, and should be enough to make the vast majority of readers view the article with a critical eye. If either of you are still adding or removing tags while the mediation is ongoing, however, it runs the risk of making the dispute more about the tags than the actual content. Please understand that this is not making any judgements about the tagged statements themselves, but that it purely procedural. I hope you can consider my opinion here, and I trust that you will refrain from more tagging while we are in mediation. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 02:43, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal: Case update

Dear YMB29: Hello, this is to let you know that a Mediation Cabal case that you are involved in, or have some connection with:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/24 October 2011/Battle of Tali-Ihantala

is currently inactive as it has not been edited in at least a week. If the issues in the case have been resolved, please let us know on our talk page so we can close the case. If there are still issues that need to be addressed, let us know. If your mediator has become inactive, also let us know. The case will be closed in one month if it remains inactive. You can let us know what's going on by sending a message through to your mediator, Mr. Stradivarius, on their talk page. Thanks! MedcabBot (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal: Case update

Dear YMB29: Hello, this is to let you know that a Mediation Cabal case that you are involved in, or have some connection with:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/24 October 2011/Battle of Tali-Ihantala

is currently inactive as it has not been edited in at least a week. If the issues in the case have been resolved, please let us know on our talk page so we can close the case. If there are still issues that need to be addressed, let us know. If your mediator has become inactive, also let us know. The case will be closed in one month if it remains inactive. You can let us know what's going on by sending a message through to your mediator, Mr. Stradivarius, on their talk page. Thanks! MedcabBot (talk) 05:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

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Formal mediation has been requested

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Request for mediation accepted

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Please

Could you please stop repeatedly calling me "misleading" at noticeboard [4],[5]? I am not. The Soviet/Russian "candidate" degree in humanities is usually counted at best as M.S., not PhD (in US). These guys have to enroll again in PhD programs in US and spend a few years to earn their real PhD degrees. I also said "deportation" (singular). Thanks, My very best wishes (talk) 20:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

You did not specify which deportation.

Candidate of Historical Sciences is equivalent of a PhD in history. I don't know where you get that it is like a master's degree. -YMB29 (talk) 22:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

This depends on discretion of employer (e.g. university). They may ask to provide a formal certification of your diploma (there are organizations in US who do such certification). As far as I know, the result will be that a Russian "candidate" of History or political sciences is equal to M.S. But that may depend on specific organization in Russia that gave such degree (not VAK of course, but History department of MSU, for example). The programs and requirements in Russian and US PhD programs in humanities are very different. That's the problem. My very best wishes (talk) 00:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

There may be exceptions, but generally it is considered equal to a PhD.

If you have evidence that Asmolov is not qualified as a historian, present them. -YMB29 (talk) 02:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I am not a historian myself. So you might wish to read this lecture by Doctor Miller (this is a much higher degree than "candidate", right?). Here is what he thinks:

"Исаев и Дюков. Дюков очень интересный персонаж – можете набрать его в «Википедии», найдете о нем целую статью. Александр Дюков – директор фонда Историческая память. Молодой человек, где-то ему 30 с небольшим, окончил, кажется, Историко-архивный, никогда с тех пор по профессии не работал. До недавнего времени. Создал фонд и где-то по три-четыре книжки в год сейчас издает. Откуда фонд финансируется, остается догадываться.

Я успел прочитать две книжки. Первая книжка посвящена политике УПА – Украинской повстанческой армии в отношении евреев. Книжка по содержанию более или менее пристойная. Но тут как бы совпадение интенций и исторической правды получается. Потому что ему важно было показать, что УПА плохо обходилась с евреями. Действительно, плохо обходилась. Что в этой книжке бросается в глаза, так это большое количество материалов из архивов ФСБ, которые, как отмечается, впервые вводятся в научный оборот. Как он их получил? Надо спросить у мемориальцев, как они получают документы из ФСБ. Наверное, это обычное и простое дело.

Now he tells about the book "The Great War Slandered" by Dyukov:

... Эта книга – отповедь клеветникам, опровержение самых грязных, самых лживых мифов о Великой Отечественной войне, распространяемых врагами России».

"И вот в такой стилистике вся эта книжка и написана, из чего вы можете примерно заключить, что это за человек. Итак, вот такой фонд, вот такой историк, которого Данилин называет любителем. Какие издательства издают его книжки? - «Европа», «Regnum» «Эксмо». Про них тоже можно кое-что сказать. «Regnum» возглавляет Колеров, который служил в администрации президента, «Европа» – это Павловский и его центр."

Finally, Dr. Miller asks:

"Как вы думаете, писания Дюкова кто-нибудь примет всерьез за рубежами нашего отечества? Вот мы смеемся над тем, что публикует украинский Институт народной памяти? Смеемся. И заслуженно. И они так же будут смеяться над тем, что публикует Дюков." My very best wishes (talk) 03:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

This is just one opinion from the Russian Wikipedia article on Dyukov. There are positive opinions too.[6]

However, again you talk about Dyukov and not Asmolov. -YMB29 (talk) 04:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Historians whose renditions of Soviet history depart from incontrovertible facts and historians who look upon those historians favourably are not reliable. This is a very old argument that has long been put to bed. A degree in and of itself is not an indication of reliability. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 13:34, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

What "incontrovertible facts" are you talking about? It seems like any source that is not anti-Soviet is unreliable to you... -YMB29 (talk) 21:18, 16 March 2013 (UTC)'

Well, just one for instance, Dyukov maintains no Estonians were deported in cattle cars, that all rode to resettlement in Siberia in coach car trains attended by physicians and nurses for their welfare. An utter lie. It would take days to document everything wrong with what he's written, he's little more than RT's poster boy for debunking so-called Baltic lies. And I'll thank you not to engage in personal attacks.

Oh, as for the positive reviews of Dyukov's works, the individuals cited are hardly reliable as to the objectivity of Dyukov's scholarship. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 23:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I am not engaging in personal attacks; your view is well known.

Again, this is not about Dyukov and your dislike of him. However, considering that he based his research on archival documents, I will not be surprised if he is right... -YMB29 (talk) 04:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Since FSB archives clearly lie (assuming his reportage is accurate, there's no third party verification), I would not be surprised if his scholarship is worthless. You know the old saying, garbage in, garbage out... Since Dyukov is well aware of testimony to the facts, his choice to call such testimony a lie is his choice. Oh, let's not forget his documentary movie blaming the Poles for starting WWII, classic victim blaming. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 02:57, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

So the archives lie? This is not a serious argument... -YMB29 (talk) 04:23, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. It was not shared by F-14. 9 MiG-25s were shot down by F-14 and one by a F-5, whose pilot was Yadollah Javadpour. In the Tom Cooper's book is only mentioned the F-14 victories not of F-5s.Diako Zandi 20:27, 31 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diako1971 (talk • contribs)

Look at that page again carefully.[7]

It says (shared) in the last column. -YMB29 (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi again User:YMB29,

Please immediately revert your hiding of my comments rel Solonin. This is inappropriate and could be construed as a 3RR violation when taken with your 3 reverts in 24 hours to the article page: "A "page" means any page on Wikipedia, including talk and project space. A "revert" means any edit (or administrative action) that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part (my bold), whether involving the same or different material."

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3RR does not apply to talk pages...

That was not even a revert.

You can unhide it if you wish, but you breaking it into a separate sub-section makes the discussion hard to follow. -YMB29 (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi again YMB29,

Actually the 3RR rule (see my quote from the rule above) DOES apply to talk pages. But I see your point. I've put it in its own section below, so as not to interrupt the thread. As such, feel free to delete the one you've hidden. It would have been better I see now to start a new MAIN heading for Solonin. Regards, Paavo273 (talk) 21:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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@Gregkaye: As far as I know, appeal requests should be posted on the admin noticeboard. You can try posting there, but from my experience it is usually hard to get admins to look into an issue and do something, especially if it involves undoing an action of another admin. -YMB29 (talk) 02:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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The only thing what is he doing is reverting of articles, without meaningful and neutral explanations, because of such dumbs i deleted my account on wiki. 93.223.14.167 (talk) 21:17, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is just harassment. You are not the only one who left wiki because of this. -YMB29 (talk) 21:20, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

No, YMB29. If you care to look at this IP's editing history, the actions were not harassment. The IP is actually an IP hopper from Bayern who is still actively engaged in WP:TE. You are, therefore, actively encouraging harassment by casting WP:ASPERSIONS about My very best wishes. If you believe you have a case against him, take it to an ANI. Judging by your editing behaviour on the Rape during the occupation of Germany, your judgement is being impaired by personal grudges rather than being based on content. I would strongly suggest that you focus on content. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:57, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok... Did you really have to reply on my talk page over a week later about something that did not involve you? I guess you are keeping an eye on my editing behavior... -YMB29 (talk) 05:11, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

@Iryna. Speaking about my recent interactions with YMB29 on several pages (we did not interact at all during two previous years), I believe these particular interactions were just fine. I made some changes, YMB29 reverted, and we discussed. This is basically along the lines of WP:BRD. This is not to say that I support highly partisan sources used by YMB29 or his sustained slow-motion edit wars in numerous pages with multiple users, ones that he always "wins". My very best wishes (talk) 15:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

My apologies, YMB29. In re-reading my missive, I realise that it came across as being an obnoxious reprimand targeting you editing behaviour (you're welcome to trout slap me for the rendering of my message). Yes, there was a time lapse as I didn't consider it to be an urgent issue and am busy IRL. My intention was merely to remind you that we should be wary of our responses to unsolicited complaints against other regular contributors. I've been keeping an eye on this IP hopper as I'm fairly certain s/he is a user known to me who is evading their block. I wanted to point out that regulars should be cautious about empowering trolls whose impetus is that of divisive tactics.

Of course I've been following the deliberations over the article you've both been working on, and understand it to be a collaborative effort. I simply want to remind you that it's best to be vigilant about being played. Keep up the great work (both of you)! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, I agree: this a suspicious IP (they just admitted above to be a "secondary account", possibly to avoid detection), and the claim about "harassment" was completely bogus. In fact, I tried to help by convincing YMB29 that he is using inappropriate sources (using better sources could help him to avoid the disputes), but unfortunately this did not work [9], [10], so I give up. My very best wishes (talk) 23:40, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know how reverting me in different articles is helping me. This is just the kind of actions that lead to disputes and edit wars.

So what Russian historians are appropriate sources according to you? You have to understand that there are reliable sources with views you don't agree with and they belong in the articles. You don't see me removing reliable sources just because I don't agree with what they say. -YMB29 (talk) 01:19, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know. You remove crimes on the occupied territories because you think they are not war crimes [11] (edit summary). My very best wishes (talk) 05:48, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Political repressions and war crimes are different things. I still did not get the sources I asked for, but at the time I was busy with other topics and did not care enough to continue on with this.

This has nothing to do with removing "inappropriate" sources, so what is your point?

I see that you are spending some more time researching my editing history... -YMB29 (talk) 06:33, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Repressions against civilian population (imprisonment and executions) by the occupying power do qualify as War crime. My very best wishes (talk) 14:49, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

The countries were annexed not occupied. Also, you are linking to an article that needs serious work. -YMB29 (talk) 17:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

How, precisely, does that exclude it from being a War Crime, YMB29? Is this some form of WP:OR equivalent to a woman not being legally able to be raped by her husband because he has conjugal rights? You should also note that there is nothing untoward in checking an editor's contribution history in order to establish patterns and a predelection for particular changes in content surrounding a particular issue (known as a WP:SPA). In fact, your pattern of editing certainly lends itself to such an interpretation. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

So now I am a SPA...

Imprisonment or deportation by a government of its own citizens are not war crimes. If you are claiming otherwise without sources, you are guilty of OR.

Checking a user's history and following him around to lecture and/or revert him is wiki hounding, which is a form of harassment. -YMB29 (talk) 07:34, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

"The countries were annexed, not occupied". So, you believe that Baltic states were not occupied by the Soviet Union (diff above). Well, this is just one of many fringe ideas you are trying to promote here (others are that mass rapes in Germany did not happen or that Stalin did not plan to transform Finland to another Soviet Republic, for example) and conduct slow motion edit wars on multiple pages to enforce these fringe views by nationalist authors. This is obvious from looking at the edit histories of the corresponding pages, including this, this, this, or this and their talk pages, such as here, which shows clear pattern of WP:TE/WP:DE editing. Of course, this could be reported by someone to WP:AE, but this is not my responsibility. I do not care any more. Good bye. My very best wishes (talk) 14:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

You cared enough to spend time researching my edit history again.

Go look up the word annex and occupy. If you still think it was occupation for 50 years, you are the one promoting nationalistic views.

Anyway, all you are doing is showing again and again that you are wiki stalking me. -YMB29 (talk) 18:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Try reading the policy you're invoking again with care: "Correct use of an editor's history includes (but is not limited to) fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles." No one has been 'stalking' or 'harassing' you. You've called attention to yourself by your tendentious editing patterns, and this has happened over a protracted period of time. There is nothing peculiar or 'hounding'-like about developing an uncomfortable feeling about a contributor's bent and quarrelsome method of editing, then following their editing history in order to establish whether it is typical or atypical for that contributor. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 08:57, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

So what tendentious editing patterns are you talking about? We have interacted only in one article, in which you removed text without consensus on behalf of someone else. You came here to post also on behalf of someone else, to defend another user.

I guess you easily develop "an uncomfortable feeling" about users who don't agree with you on something...

The fact that you keep coming to my talk page when there is no real reason to do so (our brief article dispute was over a month ago) speaks for itself. -YMB29 (talk) 23:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

translating the Russian historian

I meant a RS for the translation - you keep linking to the Russian - article - but then one is asked to trust your translation - but you are not a RS imo. Sayerslle (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

You simply don't understand how translations are used here. -YMB29 (talk) 01:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

and you? - see talk page at the article - if you take on the task , you are meant to put the original on the page - did you do that? no you bleedin well didn't. . you simply don't follow the rules and understand how translations are used here, , and, remember , Translations published by reliable sources are preferred - (especially I should think when about contentious topics, where pov pushing is likely a problem that could emerge) - Sayerslle (talk) 01:25, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

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Disruptive editing: Misrepresenting sources. This user has been blocked several times for short periods, without any change apparent in his behaviour. Longer blocks now need to be considered.

I have extended the block given to you by User:Nick-D due to your continuing tendentious editing, and seemingly unchanged behaviour: misrepresentation of sources, followed by continual arguments against consensus, as demonstrated recently at AN/I. As you noted, WP:ARBEE applies to this case, and it is in accordance with this previous decision that both Nick and I are acting.

Now, honestly, editors here can see that you are very passionate about investigating the aftermath of issues such as the Soviet seizure of Berlin at the end of the Second World War. Wikipedia would greatly benefit from clear-eyed editors who could bridge the range of sources available in both Russian, English, and other Eastern European languages. I think I would speak for more editors that just myself in saying that quoting full sources, and then debating their level of historical credibility, with due regard given to potential ways history is shaped through official lens, would be very welcome. Personally I would very much encourage you to consider reviewing WP:PILLARS and thinking about the ways you might contribute positively to building this encyclopedia, without undue emphasis on debating issues on talkpages. I'd be happy to put further thoughts on this to you should you wish it.

As always, please feel free to appeal this block through the normal process, and I am just about to doublecheck that I have continued to allow you to edit your own talkpage. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

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Regarding Nick-D's comments, I was not trying to misrepresent sources. Roberts' text in that book was not a 100% clear, at least to me at first. My partial self revert[12] shows that I tried to address the concerns that were brought up. If I did make a mistake, it was unintentional. In fact, I was going to make an edit today based on what I found in Roberts' other book.[13] I was going to add: According to Roberts, estimates of the scale of the rapes range from tens of thousands to low millions, and the true figure is probably in between. So give me the benefit of the doubt; I was also accused of inappropriately adding text that was actually first added by another user with consensus long ago. See the section below for more.[14]

Buckshot06, did you see my last comment to you?[15] I was and am willing to discuss content issues and go through dispute resolution. Some users have said that I edit tendentiously, but I think that is because of heated debates. I understand the consensus policy, and if I did argue against consensus, it was with quality arguments. I think that the fact that some users did not have as much time as me to spend on talk page discussion or go through dispute resolution should not be held against me.
My last block was almost three years ago, so it is not like I was continuing disruptive behavior.
Like I said, I was getting ready to discuss the issues further on the talk page if everyone sticks to the content. I think I have simple solutions for the dispute. If you have concerns about my editing, I think changing my block to a 1RR or 0RR limitation for a month or longer (or have some kind of a supervision over my edits) would be the better solution, as this would take care of your disruptive editing concerns and allow me to contribute positively. -YMB29 (talk) 23:37, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

The bottom line is that my block is mainly based on the assumption that I intentionally misrepresented sources to push a POV, which is simply not true and insulting. I ask for any neutral person to read the text section[16] below that explains everything. -YMB29 (talk) 18:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=Regarding Nick-D's comments, I was not trying to misrepresent sources. Roberts' text in that book was not a 100% clear, at least to me at first. My partial self revert[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany&diff=646905087&oldid=646905048] shows that I tried to address the concerns that were brought up. If I did make a mistake, it was unintentional. In fact, I was going to make an edit today based on what I found in Roberts' other book.[https://books.google.com/books?id=xlRjy4qnH6cC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false] I was going to add: ''According to Roberts, estimates of the scale of the rapes range from tens of thousands to low millions, and the true figure is probably in between.'' So give me the benefit of the doubt; I was also accused of inappropriately adding text that was actually first added by another user with consensus long ago. See the section below for more.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YMB29#Text_issues]<br> [[User:Buckshot06|Buckshot06]], did you see my last comment to you?[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=646966432&oldid=646966392] I was and am willing to discuss content issues and go through dispute resolution. Some users have said that I edit tendentiously, but I think that is because of heated debates. I understand the consensus policy, and if I did argue against consensus, it was with quality arguments. I think that the fact that some users did not have as much time as me to spend on talk page discussion or go through dispute resolution should not be held against me.<br> My last block was almost three years ago, so it is not like I was continuing disruptive behavior.<br> Like I said, I was getting ready to discuss the issues further on the talk page if everyone sticks to the content. I think I have simple solutions for the dispute. If you have concerns about my editing, I think changing my block to a 1RR or 0RR limitation for a month or longer (or have some kind of a supervision over my edits) would be the better solution, as this would take care of your disruptive editing concerns and allow me to contribute positively. -[[User:YMB29|YMB29]] ([[User talk:YMB29#top|talk]]) 23:37, 13 February 2015 (UTC) The bottom line is that my block is mainly based on the assumption that I intentionally misrepresented sources to push a POV, which is simply not true and insulting. I ask for any neutral person to read the text section[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YMB29#Text_issues] below that explains everything. -[[User:YMB29|YMB29]] ([[User talk:YMB29#top|talk]]) 18:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=Regarding Nick-D's comments, I was not trying to misrepresent sources. Roberts' text in that book was not a 100% clear, at least to me at first. My partial self revert[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany&diff=646905087&oldid=646905048] shows that I tried to address the concerns that were brought up. If I did make a mistake, it was unintentional. In fact, I was going to make an edit today based on what I found in Roberts' other book.[https://books.google.com/books?id=xlRjy4qnH6cC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false] I was going to add: ''According to Roberts, estimates of the scale of the rapes range from tens of thousands to low millions, and the true figure is probably in between.'' So give me the benefit of the doubt; I was also accused of inappropriately adding text that was actually first added by another user with consensus long ago. See the section below for more.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YMB29#Text_issues]<br> [[User:Buckshot06|Buckshot06]], did you see my last comment to you?[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=646966432&oldid=646966392] I was and am willing to discuss content issues and go through dispute resolution. Some users have said that I edit tendentiously, but I think that is because of heated debates. I understand the consensus policy, and if I did argue against consensus, it was with quality arguments. I think that the fact that some users did not have as much time as me to spend on talk page discussion or go through dispute resolution should not be held against me.<br> My last block was almost three years ago, so it is not like I was continuing disruptive behavior.<br> Like I said, I was getting ready to discuss the issues further on the talk page if everyone sticks to the content. I think I have simple solutions for the dispute. If you have concerns about my editing, I think changing my block to a 1RR or 0RR limitation for a month or longer (or have some kind of a supervision over my edits) would be the better solution, as this would take care of your disruptive editing concerns and allow me to contribute positively. -[[User:YMB29|YMB29]] ([[User talk:YMB29#top|talk]]) 23:37, 13 February 2015 (UTC) The bottom line is that my block is mainly based on the assumption that I intentionally misrepresented sources to push a POV, which is simply not true and insulting. I ask for any neutral person to read the text section[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YMB29#Text_issues] below that explains everything. -[[User:YMB29|YMB29]] ([[User talk:YMB29#top|talk]]) 18:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=Regarding Nick-D's comments, I was not trying to misrepresent sources. Roberts' text in that book was not a 100% clear, at least to me at first. My partial self revert[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany&diff=646905087&oldid=646905048] shows that I tried to address the concerns that were brought up. If I did make a mistake, it was unintentional. In fact, I was going to make an edit today based on what I found in Roberts' other book.[https://books.google.com/books?id=xlRjy4qnH6cC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false] I was going to add: ''According to Roberts, estimates of the scale of the rapes range from tens of thousands to low millions, and the true figure is probably in between.'' So give me the benefit of the doubt; I was also accused of inappropriately adding text that was actually first added by another user with consensus long ago. See the section below for more.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YMB29#Text_issues]<br> [[User:Buckshot06|Buckshot06]], did you see my last comment to you?[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=646966432&oldid=646966392] I was and am willing to discuss content issues and go through dispute resolution. Some users have said that I edit tendentiously, but I think that is because of heated debates. I understand the consensus policy, and if I did argue against consensus, it was with quality arguments. I think that the fact that some users did not have as much time as me to spend on talk page discussion or go through dispute resolution should not be held against me.<br> My last block was almost three years ago, so it is not like I was continuing disruptive behavior.<br> Like I said, I was getting ready to discuss the issues further on the talk page if everyone sticks to the content. I think I have simple solutions for the dispute. If you have concerns about my editing, I think changing my block to a 1RR or 0RR limitation for a month or longer (or have some kind of a supervision over my edits) would be the better solution, as this would take care of your disruptive editing concerns and allow me to contribute positively. -[[User:YMB29|YMB29]] ([[User talk:YMB29#top|talk]]) 23:37, 13 February 2015 (UTC) The bottom line is that my block is mainly based on the assumption that I intentionally misrepresented sources to push a POV, which is simply not true and insulting. I ask for any neutral person to read the text section[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YMB29#Text_issues] below that explains everything. -[[User:YMB29|YMB29]] ([[User talk:YMB29#top|talk]]) 18:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}

Given that your misrepresentation of Roberts' book was very similar to your misrepresentation of Bird's review (as noted at User talk:Nick-D#User:YMB29, that's not at all credible: there's no way that this was an accident. You have clearly been misrepresenting sources to further an agenda of casting doubt on the scale of the rapes committed by Red Army forces in Germany. I concur with Buckshot's decision to impose a longer block. Nick-D (talk) 01:57, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

:::Decline request to be unblocked. There is no real evidence at this point to suggest that you will change your behaviour: you're continuing to make tendentious arguments which, as Nick-D has shown, fly in the face of what you actually did. Should you wish, you can use this talk page as a sandbox to demonstrate that you are able to edit in line with Wikipedia's normal standards. We can talk again in two weeks or so, giving you a chance to consider your actions - a cooling-off period. Buckshot06 (talk) 02:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC) I have been advised that I, an involved admin, cannot review the unblock request. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:20, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Nick-D, there is a misunderstanding. I told you a number of times I did not add the text sourced to Bird to the Berlin article; it was first added by another user (well respected) in 2009.[17] Why don't you look at the diff? This change had consensus and was in the article for years. I only re-added it when other users came to the article and started reverting it.

Regarding Roberts, I corrected myself with a revert. I can honestly say that I was not trying to imply anything Roberts did not say. Can you re-read the text (after my revert)? As I told you, I was going to add his view on the scale today.

Also, are you suggesting there will be a topic ban too? I don't understand.

Buckshot06, how can I use this page? I don't think fair attention was given to my arguments. I don't need two weeks to cool off. How about a few days?

Also, can I email you later (don't know if your email communication is turned on) about an issue I noticed right after I was blocked? I don't want to post it here. -YMB29 (talk) 03:15, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Construct the text here that you would like to add, and invite comment upon it, noting where you would have it inserted. Two weeks is just about the least amount of time I judge you might need to consider your actions, but as I've just been advised, I cannot consider your unblock request. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:20, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

@Buckshot06: The problem is that another user has taken advantage of my block right away to revert my edits (and those of others) on multiple pages, including Rape during the occupation of Germany. This shows that the situation is more complex than it looks. I can present evidence, but I don't know if it is appropriate to do so here. -YMB29 (talk) 03:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, a SPA has reactivated right after I was blocked[18] to revert more text that I added to Rape during the occupation of Germany. -YMB29 (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

You have been blocked for your conduct, so what others may or may not have done is not at all relevant. Nick-D (talk) 03:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

So it is ok for others to revert my edits on multiple pages, including those which don't have to do with rape in Germany, as soon as I am blocked? Also did you look at my reply about misrepresenting sources? -YMB29 (talk) 03:45, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

On the Bird stuff? Wikiblame shows that you added the first (and most problematic) of the two examples I checked [19] (the diff is [20] and your edit summary was "new text"). Wikiblame isn't turning up who originally added the second example, but even if I was to accept your argument, you're the one who recently re-added it despite having apparently having access to the reference and you're responsible for this as well anyway per WP:PROVEIT. Nick-D (talk) 03:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I added it to Rape during the occupation of Germany from the Berlin article. It is a valid text, which was discussed by others many times on the talk pages. There is no misrepresentation. I believe you jumped to conclusions. I will add a section about it and the other text below. -YMB29 (talk) 04:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Further tendentious arguments and blaming other people isn't going to help your case from this point. Nick-D (talk) 04:14, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Can you look at the section when I finish it? I will let you know. -YMB29 (talk) 04:16, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

@Nick-D: Please see the section below. -YMB29 (talk) 05:13, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

The analysis on my talk page is accurate. You are still picking out bits of the texts, and ignoring the authors' actual arguments to push your views (in Roberts' case, his focus is on why the Red Army committed a number of rapes he regards as being greatly above the "normal" level that would be expected for an army of this size and does not suggest that the numbers were not high as you are implying that he wrote). Given that you're still doing this while blocked, I am extending the block duration to indefinite as it seems likely that you'll take up this stuff again once the block expires. 06:23, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

@Nick-D: Are you serious? I added a section that explains everything. How is this disruptive? Did you even read it carefully? I told you that I modified Roberts' text and did not imply that he thinks that the Red Army committed rapes on a normal level. This is an insulting accusation, just like with Bird's text.

Basically, you are punishing me for explaining my case.

I think I have explained everything clearly. Can another admin look at this? -YMB29 (talk) 06:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

For starters, the first sentence of the paragraph you wrote on Roberts' views is grossly misleading: he doesn't consider the "extend of the Red Army's rape is hard to judge" - he states that it was very high and why this was the case is then the focus of his analysis. The rest of your "revised" paragraph gives readers no inkling of this at all. Nick-D (talk) 06:51, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

He directly says that it is difficult to judge, see here.

He does imply that it is high (although not millions) later, but I did not intent to make claims about the scale; that was not the point of my edit (and it was not the right section to do that).

Again, I did not consistently push this text. If someone would have told me that they think the text is still not accurate and a specific part should be changed, I would have considered changing the wording (like I did the first time) or letting them do it. -YMB29 (talk) 07:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

PBS comments

PBS comments and reply

YMB29 "When you are in a hole, stop digging" (Dennis Healey) It is time "Wake up and smell the coffee". The ANI you initiated called "Edit warring, personal attacks and hounding by former EEML member" has boomeranged on you. The result is that Not one person in that ANI has supported your behaviour, or has suggested that even if you behaviour is questionable that at least you have the sources behind you. The majority of those who have supported action have supported a topic ban on your account editing WP:ARBEE articles and talk pages. Your style of arguing has backfired on you since you attempted to justify why the block that admin user:Nick-D imposed is inappropriate. As I see it you only have four choices open to you: Leave your current block review in place and hope that a sympathetic admin wanders by. Remove your unblock request and make one in six months or more in the hope that as time has passed admins are more sympathetic. Decide now that you have had enough of editing Wikiepdia articles and walk away. Agree to an indefinite WP:ARBEE standard discretionary sanctions ban and I will support your request and ask uninvolved admin to impose the sanctions. The first two are a gamble and you will have to ask yourself "are you feeling lucky punk"? The third one will allow you to to edit in other areas where you are less passionate. This will allow you to develop you skills at consensus editing and interpersonal relationships within the Wikipedia community. I personally am in favour of this approach, but I have to warn you that many editors who are topic banned from one area often display similar tendencies in other areas and then get banned. So if you choose this option it is not a get out of jail free, but if after as suitable length of time you are sill editing constructively then you can request that the topic ban is lifted. I can not grantee that option 3 is now available but it is in my opinion the only option available to you that give you an chance of editing a Wikipedia article in the near future. Buckshot06 and User:Nick-D what are your thoughts on this? -- PBS (talk) 16:09, 14 February 2015 (UTC) PBS, I don't think your comments were appropriate here, given that you were involved in a long dispute with me. You complained about me, but I have many complaints about you too. I realize that I am alone. The person I reported in the ANI has others who can stick up for him (this is not surprising since he was part of the EEML). A similar thing happened when I filed a 3RR report a few weeks ago. I was attacked by many users, who were uninvolved in the dispute. He also canvassed you and others I had disputes with to come in and say how bad of a user I am. This of course sways admin opinion. My block is based on the accusation that I intentionally misrepresented text, which is not true. Any neutral person reading the section below will see this. -YMB29 (talk) 18:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Nick-D may have blocked you for a week on the basis that you misrepresented the text, but I extended it because you cannot seem to understand the need for consensus and working together with others - this is a collaborative encyclopedia. Oh and yes, as far as I can tell you have repeatedly tried to distort text in support of your arguments. Read WP:PILLARS and decide whether you want to be here: I'd commend *all* of PBS's statements to you wholeheartedly. Regards 203.97.106.191 (talk) 20:55, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Is this Buckshot06?

I understand the policy about consensus. I did not try to force changes through when it was clear that there was a genuine consensus against me. I don't understand how that is possible if everyone was against me. I always tried to discuss issues and asked for dispute resolution, but often I was ignored.

Please tell me how I distorted text? I think I have explained clearly that I did not. Again, I invite you to read the section below carefully. -YMB29 (talk) 21:10, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

You still do not seem to realise the hole that you are in. "You complained about me, but I have many complaints about you too." that is irrelevant to your current situation. The only way you are going to be able to edit Wikipedia again is option 4 (Agree to indefinite WP:ARBEE sanctions). That you are still stating "My block is based on the accusation that I intentionally misrepresented text, which is not true" and "I did not try to force changes through when it was clear that there was a genuine consensus against me". If that last statement were true then you would realise that there is a "genuine consensus" for you to be WP:ARBEE sanctioned at the ANI. I'll say no more other than to repeat that you are in a hole and you only have those four options left. -- PBS (talk) 00:49, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Why are you coming here? Again, you are an involved user. I find your comments like "You still do not seem to realise the hole that you are in" or "When you are in a hole, stop digging" rude. You posted similar things in our discussions before.

I was not talking about consensus to sanction users. You saying the consensus policy applies to user sanctions?

As the EEML case showed such consensus on noticeboards can be misleading. When users I never encountered before show up in the ANI or 3RR threads and post walls of text about how bad of a user I am,[21][22] I wonder how genuine this consensus is. -YMB29 (talk) 02:27, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

It was bad enough that you blame all your criticism on some conspiracy of Wikipedia editors. Now I see you are accusing me of being a member of EEML. I had to go read some of the ARBEE case to even know what it was. No I am not/was not a member of that list nor do I know any of the people listed in the case. Is your view of reality so distorted that you must believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a part of some vast conspiracy? Even if EEML is still a thing, one does not need to be a member of a conspiracy to disagree with you and it would serve you in good stead to remember that. Sometimes, I would bet more often than not, people disagree with you because they think you are wrong and you/your sources have failed to convince them of your position. This is not an attack on you it is how collaboration and consensus works, not just on Wikipedia but in real life as well. I hope you come to understand this by editing Wikipedia on subjects you less passionately attached to.

Since you see fit to, yet again, misrepresent my motives to try to deflect or justify your own misbehavior I will take the time tell you how I came to comment at ANI. I have collapsed per all of your wall of text complaints.

Why I noticed your ANI/ My interaction with VM

I was working to help a new editor who wanted to modify Euromaidan to agree more with the Russian perspective. Specifically he was concerned with how Yanukovich´s removal from office was described. When I made the edit we had agreed on Volunteer Marek quickly reverted it saying the sourcing was bad. Sound familiar? Here is how our two interactions with VM differed. I presented him with good sources that agreed with my proposed edit. He stated his concerns and we then came up with a way to fairly reflect the sources. The final result was far closer to the position I was trying to change to than the one he wanted to keep but that was what the sources said and he accepted it. No muss, no fuss, no edit warring. Nothing but collegial editing and compromise. This is the interaction you say made me involved and a partisan of VM. I doubt you can find anyone less involved than I was who would take the time to comment on your complaint. You asked for fresh eyes, you got them. I just did not agree with you.

Why I chose to comment.

I was watching Vm´s talk page I saw your ANI and thought I would take a look figuring you might be like the prior over enthusiastic editor I was working with. When I looked into your complaint I found not the passionate newbie I was expecting but rather a tenacious POV editor. Since I had taken the time to familiarize myself with the issue to the extent I stated at ANI I wrote my opinion based on what I had read. At that time I still had the hope that stern comments from someone who was completely uninvolved in the despite, and with the one exception I noted, completely foreign to all of the editors and admins previously dealing with the issue might get you to take a step back and consider what was being said to you.

Many people here have taken the time to give you good advice in a courteous, if direct, manner. I hope you can see I was one. Please return the courtesy by seriously considering what they say and modifying your behavior.

JBH (talk) 07:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Like I said before, if you just left a comment with your opinion, that would have been fine, but no, you went out of your way, posting walls of text that accused me and advocated for the other users in the dispute. -YMB29 (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

"Why are you coming here". I am coming here because you need an interlocutor now that your access to ANI is barred. Not only am I am experience editor, but because I am also an experienced administrator (as an administrator I have never taken any form of administrative action against you (per involved)). Your situation is by no means a unique one and so I can see where it is heading. If you were to agree to option 4 I am fairly certain that I could ask an uninvolved administrator to do the paper work providing that user:Nick-D consents to such a development. Then if after a year or more of responsible editing in other areas, if you wished you could open a suitably worded ANI to have the sanctions lifted. -- PBS (talk) 12:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

You seem to be here to insult me and to make sure I am gone for long. One or two comments were enough, but you keep coming.

You were involved in a long dispute with me, so you are not exactly neutral. You seem to be a well respect user here, but in our dispute I found your conduct inappropriate.

Using arguments from an obvious SPA and a user with a recent history of edit warring (both were blocked) against me in the ANI, further shows that you are not objective when it comes to me.

I don't see why I should be banned for a long time based on accusations that are simply not true. If I am blocked, this should be based on something I actually did and based on evidence, not accusations. -YMB29 (talk) 20:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Questions

Buckshot06, I have a question. Why did you ask Nick-D if I should be blocked?[23] Was it because of the ANI thread or the reverting at Battle of Berlin? -YMB29 (talk) 04:32, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Text issues

Bird's text

This is the text in question that was in Battle of Berlin:

A frequently quoted number is that 100,000 women in Berlin were raped by soldiers of the Red Army (Helke Sander & Barbara Johr: BeFreier und Befreite, Fischer, Frankfurt 2005), but this estimate has been questioned by Nicky Bird (Nicky Bird, International Affairs (Royal Institute of International Affairs 1944–), Vol. 78, No. 4. (Oct. 2002), pp. 914–916), who characterises the statistics as "unverifiable".

This is the text from Bird:

Perhaps 2 million German women were raped, 100,000 in greater Berlin. Beevor estimates that 10,000 died, some murdered, most from suicide. The mortality rates for the 1.4 million raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia were probably much higher. Statistics proliferate, and are unverifiable. Beevor tends to accept estimates from a single doctor - how can we possibly know that 90 per cent of Berlin women were infected by VD, that 90 per cent of rape victims had abortions, that 8.7 per cent of children born in 1946 had Russian fathers?

So Bird mentions the statistics, but states that they are unverifiable. This includes the 2 million and 100,000 figures; he does not accept these figures as fact since he says perhaps. How is the text added to the article a misrepresentation?

The text was first added to Battle of Berlin in 2009.[24] There was a long discussion on this, see this archive.[25]
These are the comments by Paul Siebert (a user who was well respected but stopped editing):

• "In other words, we have the Anglophone scholarly secondary source that confirms the MathFacts' point about the data obtained from a single doctor, and that explicitly states that Beevor's book is not the most accurate source for the rapes in Berlin (although quite good in general)."
• "Of course not, because, firstly, for every mathematically educated person the procedure used by Jorh (see above) is a complete nonsense, secondly, journalists do not publish their reviews in scientific journals, so Bird is not a journalist but a scholar... In actuality we have (i) Sander's and Johr's estimations, that have been quoted by other scholars (although with reservations, see, e.g. Grossman); the Sander's and Johr's work meet reliable source criteria so we can use it in the article; (ii) the Beevor's book where some conclusions are drawn, mostly based no Sander's and Johr's findings; this is also a reliable source; and (iii) the Bird's review that states that the rape statistics is unverifiable; this is also a reliable source. Note, we have no sources that either question this Bird's conclusion or state that the Sander's and Johr's data are verifiable. Therefore, we have only minimal freedom of manoeuvre, and any manipulations with these sources would be a synthesis. We have to state that Sander and Johr made estimations that have been quoted by some other authors, although statistics are unverifiable."

Again, the text was in the Berlin article for years, and after as long as the discussion was on that archived page, it is hard to claim that it was sneaked in without consensus. From what I can see the main debate was about where to place this criticism, in the main text or the footnotes. -YMB29 (talk) 04:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Last May I added the text sourced to Bird to Rape during the occupation of Germany.[26] I added the exact text quoted from Bird, but it was later trimmed down by another user.[27] Since Bird criticizes the statistics used by Beevor in general, including the 2 million figure, this is also not a misrepresentation. -YMB29 (talk) 06:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Roberts' text

Link to the page in the book:[28]

Here is Roberts' text from the article (after my partial revert):

Historian Geoffrey Roberts writes that the extend of the Red Army's rape is hard to judge. Nazi propaganda was predicting mass rape by Asiatic hordes of "judeo-bolshevism" before the Soviets entered Germany, and, after the war, exaggerated figures were put out to partially exonerate Germany by showing how much its civilians suffered. He notes that the German Army probably committed tens of thousands of rapes on the Eastern Front, but that murder was the more typical crime for them.

This does not say or imply anything about what Roberts thinks the scale is. The point was to show that Nazi propaganda portrayed the Red Army as Asiatic hordes and post-war politics exaggerated the figures to show that the Germans were victims too. Also, the text was meant to explain that the German Army committed these and worse crimes too.

Note that I put this in the Analysis section, and not the main section where the numbers are mentioned.

This is the text I wanted to add to the article today to clarify what Roberts' opinion was on the scale (I found it in his other book):

According to Roberts, estimates of the scale of the rapes range from tens of thousands to low millions, and the true figure is probably in between.

If someone believed that I misrepresented something, I was not against them making changes, or telling me exactly what was misleading (instead of just telling me that I am misrepresenting the source). There was no edit war over this. When I was told the first time on the talk page that the text was not right I made a change myself to address the concerns.[29]

So I think stating that I misrepresented two specific texts on purpose is not a fair observation, especially when it is the main reason for my block. -YMB29 (talk) 04:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Comments

I feel an obligation to check this quotation. First of all, here is complete text of this review by Bird. One should always look at the entire text. Did you read it? It is immediately obvious that the two-paragraph quotation of the source by Paul Siebert you refer to here was incorrect. He combined together two paragraphs separated by a large portion of text, but did not indicate "..." between them. Now, after reading the entire review by Bird, it becomes abundantly clear that he provided a highly positive, praising review of the book by Beevor (it ends by words "Beevor's book will remain the last word", etc.), even though the reviewer noted lack of reliable statistical data on the subject. Given that, using this review by Bird to criticize work by Beevor (as you did) was indeed a misinterpretation by taking something you like out of the context - I agree with Nick-D. My very best wishes (talk) 00:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

That is not what Nick-D said. He assumed that Bird does not criticize the 2 million and 100,000 figures, which is not how I see it, not how Paul Siebert saw it, and apparently not how you see it too.

What you are saying is that I cherry picked by adding only criticism from Bird's review. However, the fact that his review was positive overall has nothing to do with the subject, which was the statistics (not Beevor's book), so mentioning that the review was mostly positive would have been off topic. -YMB29 (talk) 00:33, 16 February 2015 (UTC)