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Regarding your notion about minefields, as far as I remember, that comes from a dialogue between Zhukov and Eisenhower. When Ike asked Zhukov what do Russians do when they face minefields, he responded that the infantry is ordered to attack as if there were no minefields at all. These words are widely cited. However, that was only a first part of Zhukov's responce. Zhukov continued, and he explained, that the places where Germans put minefield are usually less fortified, there are less machine guns, less mortars there, so usually the losses during the attack through minefields are comparable or even smaller with the losses in other places. I agree this logic is brutal, and it cannot be understood or accepted by modern humans. However, it reflected an overall level of brutality of that conflict, and it was not just an illogical waste of human lifes.--[[User:Paul Siebert|Paul Siebert]] ([[User talk:Paul Siebert|talk]]) 19:13, 14 June 2018 (UTC) |
Regarding your notion about minefields, as far as I remember, that comes from a dialogue between Zhukov and Eisenhower. When Ike asked Zhukov what do Russians do when they face minefields, he responded that the infantry is ordered to attack as if there were no minefields at all. These words are widely cited. However, that was only a first part of Zhukov's responce. Zhukov continued, and he explained, that the places where Germans put minefield are usually less fortified, there are less machine guns, less mortars there, so usually the losses during the attack through minefields are comparable or even smaller with the losses in other places. I agree this logic is brutal, and it cannot be understood or accepted by modern humans. However, it reflected an overall level of brutality of that conflict, and it was not just an illogical waste of human lifes.--[[User:Paul Siebert|Paul Siebert]] ([[User talk:Paul Siebert|talk]]) 19:13, 14 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:I am afraid, you did not understand me. The conversation between Ike and Zhukov was not about a way to clean minefields, Ike asked what Russian do when they need to attack a position protected by a minefield. In other words, Zhukov did not say an infantry was routinely used to clear minefields, he said the attack through minefields is not more deadly than the attack of other positions. That is an important point: if you find a minefield and send a special unit to clean minefields, this activity would be immediately detected by Germans, and they would take measures to protect this direction anticipating an attack. That means more machine gun nests, more troops, more artillery. As a result, during the attack through a cleaned minefield there would be be no losses from mines, but much more losses due to more intence enemy fire, and more bitter resistance, because the enemy had more time to prepare for attack and get reinforcement. |
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:The second point which you do not understand is that is incorrect to compare American solders in 1944, when American met ''Wehrmacht'', it was a pale shadow of its former self and "Russian" (actually, Soviet) solders in 1942. Moms and dads of American solders lived safely in Kansas or Dallas, they were eating regularly, and their life was not too much different from the life in 1939. In contrast, most "Russian" solders simply had no possibility to write their moms or dads, because a significant part of them were in occupied territories, some of them were evacuated to Eastern part of the country and their address was unknown, they were starving, dying from diseases or lack of medications, dying under German bombs, executed, or their fate was unknown. Even if some "Russian" solder had an opportunity to write to his mom, what could he write about? "Mommy, they are sending me to a minefields, so there is a 50% probability that I will be dead tomorrow"? To an American mom, it would sound terrible. But to "Russian" mom, who had just escaped German bombs miraculously after yesterday's massive bombing that wouldn't sound too impressive. |
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:I agree, a secret police would immediately arrested anybody who dared to write about minefields. However, I am not sure it was the most terrible thing "Russian" solder could write about. The problem is, however, that (i) many of them had nobody to write to, and (ii) I am not sure they considered they are in position to write about these things, because the life of civilians was not much more safe. |
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:I can say the same even in more simple words: your father came back and had an opportunity to tell you his 1944 story because my grandfather was killed under Stalingrad in 1942. In this battle, the best German army was destroyed, and, had Americans face ''that'' army in Normandy, your father would hardly came back. |
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:I don't know how exactly did my grandfather die, but I do know that during the same time my mother (a young girl) was running to Volga to escape from German bombs. She survived, but her sister didn't, and I don't think my grandfather would dare to write to his family about a minefield story had he witnessed it, even if there were no danger to be arrested. |
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:Please, show respect to the people whose deaths allowed you to live. They were not just cattle, and the difference between them and Americans was much smaller than you think. They simply had to act in a situation that you cannot even imagine. |
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:By the way, had Stalingrad battle been lost, Atlantic ocean would not protect you. It is quite likely that the first atomic bomb would be made in Germany in that case, and the first explosion would be not Hiroshima, but New York.--[[User:Paul Siebert|Paul Siebert]] ([[User talk:Paul Siebert|talk]]) 14:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC) |
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Casualties of the Italian Social Republic
Hello, besides the additional info regarding the Italian Resistance losses in WW2, I have also looked for some more info about the Italian Social Republic's casualties. It turns out that the Ufficio dell'Albo d'Oro (listing 13,021 RSI killed) excludes from its lists of the fallen the individuals who committed war crimes; in the RSI context, where countless war crimes were committed in the anti-partisan warfare, and many individuals were therefore involved in such crimes (especially GNR and Black Brigades personnel) this of course influences negatively the casualty count, under a statistical point of view. I made a search and the "RSI Foundation" has this list of casualties. It contains some 54,000 names, but these include also a lot of civilians, non-military personnel, even non-cooperator Italian POWs who died in Allied captivity after the armistice. I used the search function with the names of the various armed forces and units of the RSI to 'clear' these results, and this was the result:
Guardia Nazionale Repubblicana (including Milizia Difesa Territoriale, "Etna" Division, "Tagliamento" Legion and minor units), 13,444 killed
Black Brigades, 6,197 killed
Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana, 2,827 killed
Marina Nazionale Repubblicana (excluding X MAS), 1,051 killed
X MAS, 1,895 killed
"Monterosa" Division, 793 killed
"Italia" Division, 463 killed
"San Marco" Division, 1,478 killed
"Littorio" Division, 327 killed
"Tagliamento" Alpini Regiment, 344 killed
3rd and 8th Bersaglieri Regiments, 731 killed
Miscellaneous units of the Esercito Nazionale Repubblicano (excluding the aabove-mentioned Divisions and Alpini and Bersaglieri Regiments), 4,017 killed
Legione Autonoma "Muti", 313 killed
Raggruppamento Anti Partigiani, 196 killed
Italian SS, 542 killed
Cacciatori degli Appennini, 168 killed
Overall, some 35,000 military personnel killed or executed. However, I do not know if the list can be considered as a source, and if and how much these data are usable.--Olonia (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- I have done so. Not sure about a whole page regarding the Italian casualties in WW2; German, Polish and Soviet losses were quite on another order of magnitude, Italian losses were closer in magnitude to British, American or French casualties, and there are no pages detailing these. On the other hand, it is a somewhat interesting subject, since the source usually relied upon is still the ISTAT study of 1957, despite local studies proving it quite an underestimate. Some examples I have gathered over time:
- ISTAT states the victims (civilians and military) among the people resident/domiciled in the provinces of Udine, Pordenone, Gorizia and Trieste (postwar borders) were 19,138 (14,991+4,147), but the work Caduti, Dispersi e Vittime civili dei Comuni della Regione Friuli-Venezia Giulia nella seconda guerra mondiale written by the Istituto Friulano per la Storia del Movimento di Liberazione, using the same borders and criteria, records 26,506 victims.
- For the province of Reggio Emilia, ISTAT recorded 4,140 victims by birth (2,943 military, 1,647 civilians) or 4,528 by residence (2,948 military, 1,580 civilians); the Albi della Memoria drafted by the Istituto per la storia della Resistenza e della società contemporanea (Istoreco) of Reggio Emilia, instead, record 5,658 victims (3,345 military excluding partisans, 671 partisans, 1,642 civilians).
- For the province of Ferrara, ISTAT recorded 3,255 military victims (by place of birth) or 2,922 military victims (by place of residence), whereas this Albo d’Oro dei Caduti ferraresi 1940-1946 records 3,732 military victims.
- According to ISTAT, civilians victims from all causes in Sardinia were 660 (by residence) or 912 (by birth). According to information I was given some time ago by the Sardinian section of the Associazione Nazionale Vittime Civili di Guerra, instead, civilian casualties among the Sardinian population were 1,268 from bombings alone. --Olonia (talk) 09:40, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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New book
https://ipn.gov.pl/pl/publikacje/ksiazki/40044,Wladze-komunistyczne-wobec-ludnosci-niemieckiej-w-Polsce-w-latach-19451989.html Xx236 (talk) 12:13, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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The reasons of tremendous war losses may be found in 1917
The reasons of such tremendous losses may be found in 1917. The Bolshevik revolution of 1917 has brought about among other things
(a) Complete disregard of human rights and values of human lives,
(b) A crazy idea of “teaching cooks to rule the state”.
In WWII former cooks (at best warrant officers of WWI) commanded divisions, armies and the whole fronts, while former colonels and lieutenant colonels of WWI led the German troops to their victories. Very few officers of the old Tzar’s army remained in the Red one in 1941. I know only two among the highest rank commanders – Boris Shaposhnikov and Feodor Tolboukhin.
Field-marshal Zhoukov is well known for his phrase «Солдат не жалеть! Бабы еще нарожают».
And that was a common practice. See a page of war memoirs by a famous Russian and Soviet art critic, a leading researcher of the Hermitage, a member of the Academic Council of the Hermitage Nicolay Nikoulin http://forum.ykt.ru/viewmsg.jsp?id=26203436 .
You have not probably heard about hundreds of thousands Ukrainians https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/ukraine-newspaper/_anatoliyu-dimarovu-vmesto-granaty-vydali-kirpich/338327 , http://fakty.ua/142376-kogda-stal-vopros-ob-obespechenii-novobrancev-georgij-zhukov-zayavil-obmundirovyvat-i-vooruzhat-etih-hohlov-vse-oni-predateli-chem-bolshe-v-dnepre-potopim-tem-menshe-v-sibir-posle-vojny-ssylat , Belarusians and Poles http://rubon-belarus.com/fort/249-prizyvpoljakov1945 sent to attack German machine guns untrained, unarmed and in civil clothes.
No passage of this kind in Krivosheev's books?
No surprise at the WWII battlefields the search detachments keep excavating 8 Soviets dead per 1 German. Въ 109.252.84.137 (talk) 09:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Russia is a country of unpredictable past
Russia is really a country of unpredictable past. See the new official figures of war casualties at the beginning of the Article.Въ109.252.84.173 (talk) 17:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas Woogie10w!!
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Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,
–Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:32, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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Behave yourself!
Hello, I'm 109.252.84.173. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Въ 109.252.84.173 (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.
I mean business. Въ 109.252.84.173 (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Archive-to 1/7/2018
Hello Woogie10w,
I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Archive-to 1/7/2018 for deletion, because it seems to be a test. Did you know that the Wikipedia Sandbox is available for testing out edits?
If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.
You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.
‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 01:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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This Sunday! Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference (updated speakers + schedule)
| Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 | |
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 Part of Wikipedia's global 17th birthday celebration, Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 at Ace Hotel will include a mini-conference of scheduled panels as well as unconference style talks and discussions proposed by attendees on the day of the event. We are very excited to announce speakers such as Jason Scott (Internet Archive), Jackie Koerner (Visiting Scholar, Wiki Ed), and Andrew Lih (Wikimedia DC), as well as a fantastic line-up of panels that highlight projects and issues of relevance to the Wikimedia NYC community. See Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 speakers + schedule And there will be cake. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.
We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 02:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC) | |
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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018
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February 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC) P.S. You are also invited to Africa and the Diaspora Edit-a-thon @ Schomburg Center for Black Culture on Saturday February 24! | |
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Thanks for noticing my accidental bulk deletion. Cheers GizzyCatBella (talk) 05:07, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello, If you have time, could you please look in on the Western Allied invasion of Germany article and the discussion of the German casualty figures in its infobox at Talk:Western Allied invasion of Germany#Including German Losses for the entirety of 1945. In particular, are you aware of more precise figures which can be used here? Thank you, Nick-D (talk) 07:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Krivosheiev and Töppel
Hello, Thanks for your interest for the WWII articles. I am the author of the remark on Töppel's book. I am not sure I understand the reason for your deleting the remark about the lack or reliability of Krivosheiev's work. Sure this remark on K's work comes from a book about Kursk. But if is a remark fromage an historian and it has been published. It is important to signal that at least one colleague does not think K's figures are reliable, since his book is the basis for many others. Töppel's remark is acceptable also and mainly because he consulted the armies and units archives. The fact that K was an ex-Russian military does not speak for its neutrality here. Without my remark, everybody will continue to take K's figures as reliable where they should at least be checked. And again, this has been *published*. Looking for your answer. Docherbst (talk) 20:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018
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March 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) P.S. You are also invited to Art + Feminism Events in the New York Metropolitan Area continuing this month! | |
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CANCELLED: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Due to the winter storm warning, the WikiWednesday Salon & Skillshare scheduled for March 21st has been cancelled. Please consider attending one of the many edit-a-thons scheduled for this week. We look forward to editing with you soon! | |
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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive
G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:
- tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
- adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages
- updating the open tasks template on Milhist's task force pages
- creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various lists of missing articles.
As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.
The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.
The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 April and runs until 23:59 UTC on 30 April 2018. Those interested in participating can sign up here.
For the Milhist co-ordinators, AustralianRupert and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018
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| Wednesday April 25th, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC | |
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly WikiWednesday evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda! After the main meeting, pizza and video games in the gallery.
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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| Wednesday May 23, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC | |
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 03:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC) P.S. You are also invited to Action = History: Wikipedia Edit-a-thon for Asian American Literature on Sunday May 27! | |
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018
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Your are right in Talk:Aktion T4#Title change to Euthanasia in the Third Reich.
The description of the whole matter is a lot of work but Wikipedia is a good place for it to do in cooperation. -- Heimkinderverband (talk) 09:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
June 20: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (and Pratt Women Wikipedia Design this Saturday June 16)
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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 19:12, 14 June 2018 (UTC) P.S. You are also invited to Wikiproject Women Wikipedia Design @ Pratt Institute School of Architecture, Saturday, June 16! | |
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Minefield
Regarding your notion about minefields, as far as I remember, that comes from a dialogue between Zhukov and Eisenhower. When Ike asked Zhukov what do Russians do when they face minefields, he responded that the infantry is ordered to attack as if there were no minefields at all. These words are widely cited. However, that was only a first part of Zhukov's responce. Zhukov continued, and he explained, that the places where Germans put minefield are usually less fortified, there are less machine guns, less mortars there, so usually the losses during the attack through minefields are comparable or even smaller with the losses in other places. I agree this logic is brutal, and it cannot be understood or accepted by modern humans. However, it reflected an overall level of brutality of that conflict, and it was not just an illogical waste of human lifes.--Paul Siebert (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am afraid, you did not understand me. The conversation between Ike and Zhukov was not about a way to clean minefields, Ike asked what Russian do when they need to attack a position protected by a minefield. In other words, Zhukov did not say an infantry was routinely used to clear minefields, he said the attack through minefields is not more deadly than the attack of other positions. That is an important point: if you find a minefield and send a special unit to clean minefields, this activity would be immediately detected by Germans, and they would take measures to protect this direction anticipating an attack. That means more machine gun nests, more troops, more artillery. As a result, during the attack through a cleaned minefield there would be be no losses from mines, but much more losses due to more intence enemy fire, and more bitter resistance, because the enemy had more time to prepare for attack and get reinforcement.
- The second point which you do not understand is that is incorrect to compare American solders in 1944, when American met Wehrmacht, it was a pale shadow of its former self and "Russian" (actually, Soviet) solders in 1942. Moms and dads of American solders lived safely in Kansas or Dallas, they were eating regularly, and their life was not too much different from the life in 1939. In contrast, most "Russian" solders simply had no possibility to write their moms or dads, because a significant part of them were in occupied territories, some of them were evacuated to Eastern part of the country and their address was unknown, they were starving, dying from diseases or lack of medications, dying under German bombs, executed, or their fate was unknown. Even if some "Russian" solder had an opportunity to write to his mom, what could he write about? "Mommy, they are sending me to a minefields, so there is a 50% probability that I will be dead tomorrow"? To an American mom, it would sound terrible. But to "Russian" mom, who had just escaped German bombs miraculously after yesterday's massive bombing that wouldn't sound too impressive.
- I agree, a secret police would immediately arrested anybody who dared to write about minefields. However, I am not sure it was the most terrible thing "Russian" solder could write about. The problem is, however, that (i) many of them had nobody to write to, and (ii) I am not sure they considered they are in position to write about these things, because the life of civilians was not much more safe.
- I can say the same even in more simple words: your father came back and had an opportunity to tell you his 1944 story because my grandfather was killed under Stalingrad in 1942. In this battle, the best German army was destroyed, and, had Americans face that army in Normandy, your father would hardly came back.
- I don't know how exactly did my grandfather die, but I do know that during the same time my mother (a young girl) was running to Volga to escape from German bombs. She survived, but her sister didn't, and I don't think my grandfather would dare to write to his family about a minefield story had he witnessed it, even if there were no danger to be arrested.
- Please, show respect to the people whose deaths allowed you to live. They were not just cattle, and the difference between them and Americans was much smaller than you think. They simply had to act in a situation that you cannot even imagine.
- By the way, had Stalingrad battle been lost, Atlantic ocean would not protect you. It is quite likely that the first atomic bomb would be made in Germany in that case, and the first explosion would be not Hiroshima, but New York.--Paul Siebert (talk) 14:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC)