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NOTHERE

Based on your comments at the top of the page, I'm considering blocking you as NOTHERE, ALMOSTNOTHERE, and/or/but INCOUNTENANCE. This is your final warning (until the next warning, which may not be placed HERE).--Bbb23 (talk) 15:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's a "No There" block? --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More than Almost No There.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it may have been miswritten. It is a there is no there there block. Risker (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I never misrite anything.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "There is No There There" Cabal cabal. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's the cabal of the outcasts thanking you for your appreciation of member (by what he did, like yourself) Malik Shabazz. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Same cabal - with a new member it seems - thanking you for a clear statement about not wanting to serve a certain system. I remember the last time well that I debated with myself to stay or not (2012). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Outcast making flowers bigger, with the message of the day: vision of friendliness, - the last thing I will give up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just had reason to look back in time, to musings in your talk archive on how little it can take to get banned here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose based on user being more here tahn a lot of people.Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:07, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

With great pleasure, and keep beaming, Floq ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's Juneteenth already? Thanks Gerda, not beaming too much these days about Wikipedia, but will keep beaming in real life wherever possible (real life going much better than WP....)--Floquenbeam (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't think your civil inobedience was a beam (which I think it was), go by a song a friend wrote (about) especially for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What I am too naive to understand: we have a concept WP:BRD, - when you make a bold edit, and it's contested, you revert and discuss. The bold ban was contested (a lot, I'd say). Why were those who made it not polite enough to revert and discuss?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ps: ping JEissfeldt (WMF) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, WMF is not bound by local rules or policies or ethics or manners. They don't do BRD because there is nothing forcing them to do so. Please don't ping Jan here; he has made it clear he is not interested in actual communication, and my talk page is not a good place for his further empty statements (seasoned with the occasional outright lie). He has made it abundantly clear that English Wikipedia can sod off. It's basically down to Jimbo and Doc James, one of whom is only interested in making this all go away quietly, and the other seems interested in honesty, but is only 1/11th of the board and won't be able to do anything himself. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How can I unping? All these other pages are so noisy already. - Ok, bottom line: you and I are no friends of Fram (I have multiple reasons) but find the silencing of him not in the spirit of the community we want to serve. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well yes, exactly. I see Fae (who is also certainly no friend of Fram) is also saying much the same thing. If you, Fram, Fae, and I can all agree on something, it pretty much has to be true! --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

... only that truth doesn't matter here. Musing further: any person having caused such an uproar would probably be ashamed enough to revert, but some "office" has no shame. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the concise options in case II, and a reference to Das Schloss. Best day for it all 3 July when Kafka was born, and will be TFA again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For those who won't read to the end of the lead: "about alienation, unresponsive bureaucracy, the frustration of trying to conduct business with non-transparent, seemingly arbitrary controlling systems, and the futile pursuit of an unobtainable goal", - exactly what I thought after the infoboes case, and again now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Far better than I hoped - which is more than I could have imagined

I dropped in to see if a few people I respected back in the day were still around. Mark me very impressed; principles are the stuff of hero(in)es. LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LHvU! Always good to see you haven't forgotten your password. Thanks for the kind words; but I thinks everyone around here, including you, is kind of overusing the word "hero". I'll modestly accept "principled" with my world-famous good grace, but "heroes" risk more than a sysop bit on a website.... --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You can have principles, and not be a hero(ine), but you cannot be a hero(ine) without having principles. You, my friend, have principles. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice seeing you back LHvU. I completely agree with your statements. Floq is a great admin and a person of great intellect and integrity. Exactly the type of person we need when cultures clash. Dr. K. 22:36, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A comment

Hi Floq. I previously quoted Community & Audience Engagement Associate, which you repeated at User talk:Jimbo Wales [1]. I have since redacted that particular description, since it was from a meta-wiki profile. I am sticking to Twitter descriptions, in case there are impersonators, and if the meta-wiki person did not post that. starship .paint (talk) 05:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

/* Support */ s

Just wanted to offer a kind word - you're good people Floq. Hope IRL is better for you than here. — Ched : ? — 15:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's good to see you, Ched. Reminds me of better times, but in a bittersweet way rather than a happy way. It used to be different, didn't it? Perhaps this is what getting old is; increasingly disappointed that you didn't realize at the time how good things were. I've got my desysop message all typed up in a different window, and ready to click "publish", just deciding on whether to respect Doc James' request to hang on a little while longer, or get it over with. It would be such a relief to click; no turning back. Probably make it easier to let go of the place completely. Perhaps I shall go get a cup of coffee and have a think. Seems like a 3-cup day.

Real life is the proverbial "rich tapestry" right now, some great things happening, some not so great things happening. But overall on the plus side. How about you? --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) Regarding resignation, I'll repeat what I said on the thread-from-hell on my talkpage (I'm not 100% sure why my talk has become the unofficial meeting venue for the Rebel Alliance): I assume there are quite a few others in a holding pattern, not taking any administrative or maintenance actions until this is clarified but not jumping as long as there's even the slimmest possibility the WMF was in the right. There's still a slight but not zero chance that the ban was enacted for good reason and the silence and stonewalling is the result of Legal ordering staff not to disclose anything. If it does transpire that both the ban, and the unwillingness to talk, were for good reason, then every functionary who's resigned will be taken by the WMF that Wikipedia is dominated by a group of hotheads who can't be trusted to run their own affairs, and needs T&S to install a viceroy to keep the natives in order. I do recommend remaining in that holding pattern; if it does transpire that Fram was banned for uploading ostrich-pornography or mailing used condoms to editors with whom he was in dispute, every admin resignation will be taken by the WMF as evidence that the existing editor base are a clique who protect their own come-what-may, and who need Jan Eissfeldt installed as benevolent dictator to protect the public from them. ‑ Iridescent 16:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pundit says that BoT will (very likely) issue their statement within a week. You are one of the good folks over here - please hold on for some more time:-) ∯WBG^converse 16:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Too late, Nathan." --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My desysop request

I've been avoiding this for 2 weeks mostly out of respect for WJBscribe (80%), and a general hesitancy to do something irrevocable when maybe just maybe a good result will come of this in the end if I just waited (20%). But ultimately, Will didn't resysop me because he thought I should remain an admin, he resysopped me because it was an out of process abuse of power. If ArbCom had desysopped me, I am sure he would never have considered a resysop, even if he strongly disagreed with the decision. (He might have strongly agreed with the decision, I don't know.) I believe he did it because only the people who have the right to decide whether I'm an admin or not should decide my adminship status.

I am one of the people who have the right to decide whether I'm an admin or not.

So I think (or, at least, hope) that WJBscribe won't feel that his sticking his neck out was for nothing. I want to thank WJBscribe once more for doing the right thing, and paying a deep price for it. I also have an even better guess about how hard it was for him to resign from something he cares about, knowing it's irrevocable.

Anyway, I've resigned my adminship. I acknowledge I'm doing it under a cloud, so regardless of the result of the ArbCom case, I will need to go thru an RFA to get it back. I cannot imagine going thru that again, so this is for keeps. I'll really miss it; it's mostly been fun, and I hope somewhat useful, and a bigger share of how I've spent my free time than is healthy. But I find it increasingly humiliating to participate in something when the higher powers in the organization have such contempt for me and my peers (and my betters, the people who actually write articles). It is irrefutable that the WMF CEO thinks I am a free, easily replaceable work unit, a cog in the machine that allows her to travel the world. Those who don't drink the Koolaid are to be mocked. It is irrefutable that the WMF thinks of itself as the Master, and local communities as the Servants. Complain, and they will find a way to remove you under false pretexts. It is 99% irrefutable that regardless of Doc James' good will (I'm sorry for not waiting longer, Doc, I know this situation is painful for you), nothing is going to come of this; the WMF's plan is, and always has been, to simply wait it out.

I am no longer in any sense a part of the power structure of this site. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Devastated, but respect your decision. –xeno^talk 16:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sad to see, but understandable. Enigma^msg 16:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto, and I want to acknowledge my respect for one of the finest upholders of the ethics of this Community that it's been my privilege to know. (Is it just me, or is this starting to look like the Grey Havens? Who else will depart from Middle Earth?) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Xeno, Boing! and SN54129 put it well. Thanks again for your service. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Floq, we have occasionally disagreed on stuff but more often than not I have had the highest respect for you and think you are a defender of the wiki par excellence. I have tried to stay out of the Fram-related drama because I have said everything I wish to say and have made all my points, but seeing some of my favourite admins like you, Boing! and Dennis jump ship just makes me sad. :-( Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you come back when the drama is over. Though, honestly, I agree with Iridescent a section above. --GRuban (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully, this crisis of confidence with the Foundation will be resolved sooner than we think. Looking forward to supporting the RfA (hopefully, also sooner than we think). El_C 16:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot imagine going through that shit again. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am just pondering some time in the future setting up an RfA along the lines of "Floq is back. They will not be answering any questions, if you want to know how they work, look at their history" and bank on anyone objecting to that getting their head sufficiently ripped off to result in a pass anyway. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you recruit Bishzilla as an enforcer, that should work. Enigma^msg 17:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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+::::If you recruit Bishzilla as an enforcer, that should work. [[User:Enigmaman|<b style="color: blue;">Enigma</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Enigmaman|<i style="color: #FFA500;">msg</i>]]</sup> 17:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC)