Talk:Lana Del Rey

when should the Norman Fucking Rockwell redirect be removed and the article be recreated?

so far 3 songs from the upcoming album have been released. i think there is enough coverage to redo the article for the album, even as as a stub. the track list section would be difficult though, because the full list has not been confirmed by Lana (social media) or anywhere like itunes and spotify. im asking here because NFR currently redirects here. thoughts? Melodies1917 (talk) 17:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

She might release the long player as a gift for her 34 birthday. Most likely when the article gets resurrected from a vanishing nonexistence. It will make sense that her ahem unofficial debut under her birth name of Lizzy Grant began the string of decades known as the 10s. Lastly Adele's fourth will end the decade namely December 27.

Night,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 22:32, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

'Queen of Indie Pop

Is it really justifiable- right at the top of the article, no less- to state 'the media' considers her 'the queen of indie pop', simply on the basis of one provided source (and, at that, not a particularly high-level one; a Singaporean fashion magazine? It'd maybe be a little different if it were the New York Times, or something!)? I mean, I get this article was probably mainly worked on by people who like her rather than hate her, but still... The total Google search results for this phrase in conjunction with LDR number three; I note one article from a similarly minor source from the two days ago referring to her in the same way; the problem is journalists look at Wikipedia articles as a source, and thus a 'title' like this gains traction. Or was this all a clever tactic by her management? ;) At any rate, 'the media' is a considerable exaggeration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.112.43 (talk) 00:28, 15 February 2019 (UTC) And looking at the social media linked at the top of the magazine's website: under 20,000 followers on Facebook; under 20,000 on Instagram; under 6,000 on Twitter; 310 on YouTube. Hardly a major publication by any measure, in this modern age where numbers are what matters. Compared to the nearly 6 million population of Singapore (say 3 million female), this is not particularly impressive, and even less so considering the site is in English and thus accessible to all English-speaking countries. This is simply insufficient as a basis for claiming that 'the media' call her by this name, and, frankly, insufficient to justify its inclusion here (how would one phrase it? "In May 2017, an online Singaporean fashion magazine referred to Lana Del Rey as 'the queen of indie pop', since when two other minor media sources have used the same name"? Ridiculous, no?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.112.43 (talk) 00:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, doesn't that kind of constitute quite the exaggeration? "The media" really ought to reflect widespread (or at least significant) usage; some random fashion site doesn't cut it, surely? If they'd started using it, and it'd caught on, then fine, but as it stands I couldn't find any major media using the "title" either... It does kind of make you wonder why the emphasis is being put on it; I mean, like you said, I doubt her management would have any complaints if it became widely used. RBWhitney12 (talk) 15:21, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Bloated article

I added a few more typical headings, but this article is super bloated, especially given she's an artist with only 8 years of career. To have a legacy section is just a bit outrageous. I am not NOT a fan, but this page is just in dire need to trimming and clenaup. She's got a new release but even that information is buried under the deluge of nonsense on this page. The volume is in the way of actually conveying information. If she was someone with a 20 or 30 year career it would be one thing, but egads. I mean, 294 citations, and not all of them crucial / the highlights. 1940CStreet (talk) 22:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Be bold then. (I do agree the legacy section is ridiculous. Give it another 10 years.)Trillfendi (talk) 23:02, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. I am going to work on trimming this thing down. Too many extraneous details, plus a notable overabundance of references that repeat the same information. I will start working on making this a bit more palatable and less bloated with trivial information. --Drown Soda (talk) 01:49, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

If there are sources supporting a legacy, I don't know why the length of her career should be a reason to remove all of that. Sure there are some pieces of the article that can go, but I wouldn't say that part. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 02:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I’m putting an overly detailed tag. Trillfendi (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Lana Del Rey infobox genres

What should we put as the main infobox genres? Choose from the following genres, listing them in order of preference. Binksternet (talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

• A: Pop music[1][2][3]
• B: Baroque pop[4][5]
• C: Dream pop[6]
• D: Rock music[7][8]
• E: Indie pop[9]
• F: Sadcore[10]
• G: Hip hop music[11]
• H: Jazz[12]
• I: Trip hop[13]
• J: Psychedelic rock[14]
• K: Alternative pop[15]

Straw poll, no discussion

• ABCD. Binksternet (talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
• ABCE. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 21:24, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
• EBCD. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
• ABCD. Blueberry72 (talk) 21:54, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
• BCDI. [[User:jumpropeking(User talk:jumpropeking) 11:10 12 October 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.138.226.213 (talk)
• BCDFI. ilovetati91 (talk) 03:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
• ADBIF. Prioritize the general genres, then get more specific. KyleJoan^talk 10:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
• B(E)IJK as far as I’m concerned. Trillfendi (talk) 21:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
• (EAKBC)(JD)(FGI) One from each group, organized by preference within group and between groups. I think it's important that the infobox have both general labels as well as a diversity of labels. Having 3 different labels for "pop" isn't particularly useful, but having 3 really specific genres like trip hop and sadcore isn't helpful either. So the groupings and preferences are trying to strike a balance between generality, breadth, and specificity. (Summoned by bot) Wug·a·po·des​ 00:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

Four years ago there was a discussion on this talk page about Del Rey's genres, archived at Talk:Lana_Del_Rey/Archive_1#Genre_warring. No clear consensus emerged, but Baroque pop, dream pop, rock, trip hop and indie pop generally stayed in the infobox for the next three years, despite bouts of genre warring, especially involving sadcore. The guideline for Template:Infobox musical artist#genre says we should "aim for generality" and that two to four genres should be displayed in the infobox, not the five or more that has been so commonly seen here. Of course, all the other genres can and should be described in prose in the article body. The discussion four years ago and the edit summaries from recent genre warring make me think that not enough of us are trying to figure out what genres are most commonly found in the media sources. Let's drop the personal viewpoints and examine the sources to choose four main genres. Remember that song and album genres are not necessarily the genre of the musical artist. We should be looking for media sources that are describing Del Rey the artist or her music in general. Binksternet (talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

• One thing I'm noticing about the sadcore genre is that a bunch of sources report that Del Rey uses the term for her own music, but they don't embrace the term themselves, unlike with Cat Power who has been called the Queen of Sadcore. Wikipedia is built on WP:SECONDARY sources, so it's more important to us what third-party reviewers think than what the artist calls themselves. Of course we can tell the reader what the artist has said about their genre, but it doesn't define the genre. Binksternet (talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Why isn't alternative pop[16] included in the genre choices? I'd also like to point out that this source states that there is nothing "pop" about Lana's music, for anyone who might be interested by that. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
    •  Done. Binksternet (talk) 15:18, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Is it acceptable that an anonymous user votes pretending to be a registered user? Blueberry72 (talk) 18:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

IP users are allowed to edit here, even if they post a signature that isn't a registered username. Binksternet (talk) 12:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I only found it strange that he/she tried to pretend to have an account Blueberry72 (talk) 17:49, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't have an account, but I'm still allowed to vote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.138.226.213 (talk) 15:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Of course, I just felt strange that you tried to pretend to have an account called "jumpropeking". Blueberry72 (talk) 16:13, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I didn't "pretend," I tried to edit it to make a name, but I guess I have to create an account to do that. Also, it looks like baroque pop, dream pop, and rock are the consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.138.226.213 (talk) 16:37, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the following vote (although there isn't supposed to be discussion up there) - "(EAKBC)(JD)(FGI) One from each group, organized by preference within group and between groups. I think it's important that the infobox have both general labels as well as a diversity of labels. Having 3 different labels for "pop" isn't particularly useful, but having 3 really specific genres like trip hop and sadcore isn't helpful either. So the groupings and preferences are trying to strike a balance between generality, breadth, and specificity." Only thing is that "dream pop" isn't technically a pop label, but rather more in the rock genre according to the page. The consensus picks are Baroque pop, dream pop, and rock and are consistent with sources, breadth and specificity. They also don't contradict sources (like those we have saying "pop" by itself is not an accurate genre). We could also discuss adding trip hop because of the above quote? ilovetati91 (talk) 06:54, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Occupation

I've removed some of the occupations that were stated in the introduction and in the infobox. In my opinion this should state as clearly as possible what the person does. I think it's safe to say that everybody would primarily consider Lana del Rey as a singer and a songwriter first and foremost. I really think it would be misleading if her page stated otherwise.This should not be a list of all her abilities, but rather the one in which she invested herself consistently and for which she has gain recognition.

I am well aware that she has directed a lot of her own music videos and that she also has directed some shorts. Yet, I think calling her a director doesn't make much sense. There is a difference between doing and being, and so, yeah, she did act as director on a couple of her shoots, but this is in direct relation to her craft as a singer-songwriter and her brand development. Saying she is a director is an exaggeration in my opinion and I couldn't find in the media anything either praising or critical of her work as a director. It has nothing to do with the level of talent she may holds or not for the medium of cinema. Simply put, at this particular time she doesn't hold the credentials to be recognized as a director and I really don't think, she, herself, would describe herself to be a director

Also, I don't think record producer applies here, for roughly the same reasons. If she were producing for people other than herself, yes. But producinng herself is a natural extension of her occupation as a singer and doesn't constitute a whole different body of work for which she has gained recognition. She a also is not an actress an has never been publicly recognized. All that she did on film is merely a representation of herself or characters very much into the realm of her singer persona. Nor is she a model. Being an egeria for a brand, the face of some products is a different thing than modeling. Having your picture taken doesnt't make you a model. When she re represents a brand, she represents it as the singer Lana del Rey. Finally, I'm aware, she is about to to drop some poetry collections. Since this has not happened yet, calling her poet is prematured. Also, even when that is released, I really don't think she should be described as a poet unless she pursues that path with successives publications and gains recognitions in the literary fields. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandrelussier (talk • contribs) 02:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)