Talk:Michael Jackson

Favorite food

I noticed his favorite food is not listed anywhere on the page. I recall a radio interview I was listening to back in the heyday in which Michael answered the "favorite food" question with "salt and vinegar Pringles". As someone (amongst many) that believes favorite foods are excellent reflections of a person's personality, I would really like to see this added, but didn't want to go fiddling with one of Wikipedia's top pages without making sure somebody else in the world felt the same way first. Eluminite (talk) 12:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose...respectfully.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

See WP:V and WP:GNG.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:04, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Sales

Someone could add that, after his death, MJ's songs occupied 8 positions in the iTunes top 10. "Man in the Mirror" occupies the first position. Also, someone could add that Jackson's CDs' sales exploded. http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-itunes-domination/ http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Michael-Jackson-s-Albums-Climb-iTunes-Top-40-Fast-2.png/ http://digg.com/music/Michael_Jackson_iTunes_Popularity_PIC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrana (talk • contribs) 16:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

This could be in Death of Michael Jackson.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

911 Call from Anonymous caller

Has anyone identified the caller of the 911 call? It seems as though no one has mentioned the persons' name at all which I find odd in such a big death like this. I understand there is 26 pages of talk, but I'm hoping this has not been brought up. AcePuppy (talk) 17:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The caller in the recording is not identified in current media reports [5], but from the contents it is presumably one of the staff at Jackson's mansion in Holmby Hills.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent death tag

I boldly removed the recent death tag a couple times[6][7] with edit comments because I don't think it improves the quality of reading for this article—mostly because this article is not about his death. The current event tag at Death of Michael Jackson takes care of this nicely. The section on his death, in WP:SS is only a few lines on this page. Thus, in my opinion, we should not burden readers with a tag that only affects a minimal portion of this article, as a whole. -Pecoc (talk) 17:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It's more of a service to the reader than anything. I think that, as long as the tag is on Farrah Fawcett, it should remain on this page too (incidentally, the tag is still on Ed McMahon, so...) Sceptre ^(talk) 17:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Which makes my argument consistent (unnecessarily so, in my opinion, as I don't consider precedent on other recent deaths an argument). Neither of them have Death pages... -Pecoc (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

With due respect, you can't argue his death is insignificant to this article. Give it a week or or so, then take it down. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 17:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It is a strawman to state that I am arguing "his death is insignificant to this article", in my opinion. -Pecoc (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

What the tag states is very true of this article; RDTs should stay on the articles of recently deceased people for 7 days after the death of the subject. If there should be any exception made to that rule, regarding this article, it should be that the tag remain on the article for a longer, not shorter amount of time, as there will be more info about his death still being announced by the media and added to this article long after the 7 days is up. Information yes (talk) 18:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Where is this "rule" stated? -Pecoc (talk) 18:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's not edit war over this. The tag should stay up for a few days yet, due to the ongoing media coverage and new information emerging.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree with Ianmac on this. Tag should stay up until the stream of new info slows down. I'd add a reminder that this is his main bio and not an appropriate place for minute-by-minute updates of reports on the circumstances of his death, or what's happening with his children, etc. This article should wait until facts are verified in reliable sources, and ideally that enough time has gone by to evaluate their relevance to his bio. Tvoz/talk 20:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree when Tvoz states, "this isn't the appropriate place for minute-by-minute updates" (better off at Death of Michael Jackson) yet the tag states "Some information, such as that pertaining to the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may change rapidly as more facts become known" (emphasis added). Therefore the tag is misleading in addition to placing undue weight on such a small portion of this bio. -Pecoc (talk) 21:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Won't the influx of people looking at the Michael Jackson wikipedia page be primarily interested in his death? Think about it. And shouldn't it be made easy for these, most likely, relatively new to wiki users to access? It makes perfect sense if you think about it. I think it should be left up indefinently. Stakingsin (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Remove it, the message is now irrelevant, especially now that this is not the place that frequent updates are being made. MickMacNee (talk) 21:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It is not irrelevant, it is a helpful tool to non users who are just interested about his death! This is meant to be a free search engine, and it should be easy to use aswell. Not all people know how to use this site, they see a load of links at the top and they look for 'death' It is what you would do if you had never been on wikipedia before, or even if you were an infrequent user.Stakingsin (talk) 21:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Question

How can he be 11 in 1968? {72.201.168.105 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC).

Good point, this has been removed. The Jackson 5 says: "By 1968, The Jackson 5 were a headlining act for the All Star Floor Show at Chicago's The Guys' and Gals' Cocktail Lounge and Restaurant. From August 12–27, 1968, The Jackson 5 opened for Motown group Bobby Taylor & the Vancouvers at Chicago's Regal Theater." Strictly speaking, Michael Jackson would have been nine at the time.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm just wondering, unless I missed it, why is there no mention in the article about MJ being burned during the shooting of a Pepsi commercial? http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/27/newsid_4046000/4046605.stm

Philanthropy and Charity work

Please expand this section; here is a starting link: http://philanthropy.com/giveandtake/index.php?id=1099

58.181.109.126 (talk) 19:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)OR 29/june/2009

Some of the charities he supported including USA for Africa, the Make-a-Wish Foundation, and the Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation. He was listed in the guiness book of world records for the most amount of charities supported by a pop star, numbering 39 in total. In 1985 he wrote "we are the world" with Lionel Richie, a song which raised millions of dollars for famine relief in africa. In 1992 he crated ---ill carry on tomorrow... but you get the idea... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stakingsin (talk • contribs) 21:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson a Muslim

Michael Jackson was raised a Jehovah's Witness but converted to Islam sometime in 2007 or November 2008 (the actual date is disputed). 3 of the sources in the article cite he was a Muslim, yet no mention of this is made in the article; why has this not been mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.213.178 (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

See the FAQ and talk page archive. The consensus is that the single report in The Sun claiming this does not constitute reliable sourcing.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Use the Search box above in the Archives... it's been discussed a million times already! Besides, who really cares what religion he is? Does that really matter at this point? He's going to be remembered and evaluated by what he's done... not what religion he is! If he was a church official or did something related to religion, then it might matter! I really think religion should be kept out of Wikipedia! I don't see why it matters what religion someone is? It would be nice to know BUT it really doesn't mean that they practiced it faithfully and/or they might just be claiming to be just to look good. NiteHacker (talk) 22:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Because as we all know, The Sun is a crap British newspaper.--Frank Fontaine (talk) 8:49 pm, Today (UTC+1)

Well it is actually one of the top newspapers in the UK, with an audience of 2.05 million, and has won numerous amounts of awards including the British Press Award. DinajGao (talk) 20:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It's still not a reliable source, especially when nobody else on the planet confirms what it claims. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It was actually accepted and published by the LA Times, NYDN, Washington Post, CBC News, Daily Mail and others. at the moment we cannot really confirm his religious status since hes gone, even though if he was alive for a couple of years he would never publicly say that he has converted really looking at the amount of media attention and scrutiny he received, and I don't really think the media would love to publish that news. the question of his faith was raised again after his death because people starting questioning how the funeral will take place, then I think we can decide. DinajGao (talk) 20:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Really? I thought he was Christian... Well, your God is my God!Stakingsin (talk) 20:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I notice a user changed minor grammar and spelling issues as well as capitalizing "christian" and "god" in other users' posts in this section. Is it permissible to alter discussion from others on a talk page? 63.227.64.128 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC).

It is not the done thing. And it is surely good to let people flaunt their ignorance. Rothorpe (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Here, it really doesn't matter... in articles, you can edit for the following reasons... spelling, correcting upper/lowercase and remove curse words. Of course, you can add something to an article if it's relative... BUT you shouldn't remove something... unless it's real extreme. Leave it to more experienced editors or an admin and/or discuss your problem on the discussion page... that's why it's there. Otherwise, you should be careful as to what you do to someone else's work! If it's an obvious problem, then go ahead and edit... if not, try to discuss it first and give the original author a chance to correct the problem. Here, in the discussion page, it really doesn't matter and people write all kinds of things in all different ways but no one takes the time to correct it as it really doesn't matter but if it bugs you, you can just tell the person and let them correct it, if they want, otherwise, just let it go and don't worry about it! NiteHacker (talk) 22:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)