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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 22, 2021.

Boston Misunderstanding

Boston Misunderstanding → Boston Massacre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This does not seem to be an attested alternative name for the Boston Massacre. The only relevant hits I found while searching were satirical (eg: [1]). -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:24, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete seems like a joke redirect.--67.70.101.238 (talk) 03:49, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

European super league

European super league → Super League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Currently targets Super League, but should target European Super League. I made the change, but was reverted by User:Fleets, apparently for not explaining it; I thought it was so obvious it doesn't need an explanation. If European Super League is a disambiguation page (and it should be, as there are a number of sports leagues by that name), the uncapitalised version should redirect there. I don't see a good reason for sending it somewhere else. Super League may sometimes be known as 'European super league', but I don't see any evidence that it's the clear primary usage here. (This redirect was only created 3 days ago, and isn't linked from any other articles.) Robofish (talk) 22:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kirkbymoorside/Kirkbymoorside railway station

Kirkbymoorside/Kirkbymoorside railway station → Kirbymoorside railway station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect resulted from a pagemove in 2008, after the apparent misnaming of the newly-created Kirbymoorside railway station article. However, I can't see it serving any purpose (no inbound links, 3 pageviews in the whole of 2020) and propose deletion. Rcsprinter123 (inform) 21:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom - not useful and implausible search term. Robofish (talk) 22:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MSDOSSYS.STS

MSDOSSYS.STS → Safe mode#MSDOSSYS.STS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete: the target article makes no mention of MSDOSSYS.STS, and AFAICT, never had. Crash48 (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep MSDOSSYS.STS is a Microsoft Windows 95/98/SE/ME alternative configuration file used in Safe Mode booting. The redirect is marked to be a redirect with possibilities and at some point in the future it should probably be discussed in an article discussing the Windows Safe Mode booting procedure in better details. For now, it at least helps readers running into this filename somewhere to point them to a generic description of Windows safe mode booting, so they at least get the context. Per WP:REDIR purposes, redirect topics do not need to be mentioned "as is" in the target article (although they often are within practical limits), they only need to be contextually related and useful. As there is no conflict with another topic of this name, deleting the redirect would not serve any purpose, but would destroy already set up infrastructure. I have a pile of old documentation on these bits, but it's archived at present. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So I'm one of those readers running into this filename somewhere who found the redirect entirely unhelpful. The target article provides zero context: all it currently explains is how to enter Safe Mode. The relevant guideline is WP:R#DELETE no.10: If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. --Crash48 (talk) 20:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But the article already establishes a context, so if the reader ran into the file and was wondering what it is, s/he at least knows that it is related to Windows Safe Mode. That's more than "virtually nothing". And it is also more than leaving the reader totally clueless if the redirect would not have existed at all (or would be deleted). Sure, more could be written about it (and probably will at some point in the future), but that's not a good reason to delete as deleting is not an improvement, adding more contents is. Rome wasn't built in a day, contents and infrastructure aren't necessary built at the same time (nor necessarily by the same people) in a collaborative project.

WP:R#KEEP #3 ("They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.") and #4 ("Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways") apply.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 21:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Globe (Earth)

Globe (Earth) → Earth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should this target earth or globe? I think either could be a reasonable target for this. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 12:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (neither target). Doesn't seem like a plausible search term, no mainspace incoming links and just confusing. — Bilorv (talk) 23:06, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Informal name for the entire world in a geographic context is a plausible search term. Average 0.572 PVS/day is not bad. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with Bilorv's reasoning. (Regarding pageview stats, I think recent hits might be somewhat inflated as a result of it being listed at RfD. If you look at a span of a few months in 2020, it's more like 1 pageview per 6 days or so. I have to imagine that's close to the floor that would be accrued by any nonsense redirect targeting a popular article. e.g. just from people checking the redirects at Special:WhatLinksHere/Earth.) Colin M (talk) 15:13, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- FWIW, "the floor" is more like 10 pageviews a year from my experience at RfD – over 1000 pageviews in the history of the pageviews tool shows quite a lot of use for a redirect. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 07:19, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Globe (disambiguation) where the user would be presented with links to both Globe and Earth, and to me this seems like a plausible search term for either of those (either they mean they want "Planet Earth", or they want globes of the Earth specifically as opposed to things like the Moon). A7V2 (talk) 07:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I believe it's much more likely that the parenthetical qualifier here be interpreted to indicate that Globe is meant as an alternative name for Earth (as in "around the globe") and not a tangible globe of the Earth. Those seeking the latter would simply search for Globe, or at least see it as a top result if this redirect is entered. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"A globe is a spherical model of Earth, of some other celestial body, or of the celestial sphere". It seems much more likely that a reader would be looking for a globe specifically of the Earth rather than for the Earth itself, given that in this case it would be disambiguated by a synonym. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:03, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps our opposite interpretations are evidence that it should be retargeted to the dab page. Keeping my vote above, but would be okay with retargeting. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Globe (disambiguation) per A7V2. When two editors with a clue think a redirect should lead to two different articles, the dab which includes both is usually the right target. Certes (talk) 00:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The subject of the redirect is Globe, specifying a globe of Earth (as opposed to other globes), so Globe is the correct answer. However, I don't see it as enough of a search term to make a fuss about it. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:16, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While it's not totally clear what this means, I think Earth is the best target for this; I would think the most natural meaning of that search is 'the globe, i.e. The Earth'. Given the complete lack of consensus here though, and the low level of usage, deletion might be a reasonable alternative. Robofish (talk) 22:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maarakeh bombing

Maarakeh bombing → Maarakeh massacre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Move warring remnant. Could be deleted but this is generic, A discussion is possible. Just don't start a war ok? DXLB Muzikant (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not intrested in starting a war, and I hope User:Geshem Bracha is not as well. But what's the point of this move? -- Maudslay II (talk)

I'm doing it to make all of you guys stop. We keep it on one page only. DXLB Muzikant (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is not a "war". I moved the article once. I will propose moving it to "bombing" after serious fabrication issues are resolved. The event itself was a bombing, a large bomb was set off killing many people.--Geshem Bracha (talk) 16:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I actually Do agree with that... DXLB Muzikant (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

African Americans in Finland

African Americans in Finland → Africans in Finland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Virtually no African American identifies as African. So the redirect is a misnomer. Additionally, the target article contains very little information about African Americans. A suitable target would be Americans in Finland, but that article doesn't exist. Rsk6400 (talk) 14:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's not an ideal target, but the article does include African-Americans; and as you say there's no Americans in Finland article, so this is the best target for this search term at the moment.

Conway, South Carolina,

Conway, South Carolina, → Conway, South Carolina (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This page was created in 2005 as a plain URL link to the actual article and immediately redirected, instead of being speedied as A3 or even R3 a bit later. No need to keep this WP:UNNATURAL error. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:07, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, this search bar clutter, per nom, why do we need a trailing comma? Regards, SONIC^678, 23:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bethel TV

Bethel TV → Bethel Church (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A link to a DAB page with no relevant entry; it relates to Television in Ethiopia. Delete, to encourage article creation if justified. Narky Blert (talk) 14:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Celtic literature,

Celtic literature, → Celtic literature (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:UNNATURAL error; page was moved from this title on the day of its creation. Note also the edit summary of this page move (which is only shown in the history of this page, not the target one). 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Useless clutter., Narky Blert (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. BD2412 T 01:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect page appears to be for something that doesn't even exist, as a Google search merely pulled up a few fanfics and the DTV movie Scooby-Doo! Return to Zombie Island, among other things. IceWalrus236 (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait and follow the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 15#Hanna-Barbera's Cartoon Corral, as it this was mentioned as an alternative title in the since-redirected article. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment The related discussion has been relisted immediately below..

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hanna-Barbera's Cartoon Corral

Hanna-Barbera's Cartoon Corral → Hanna-Barbera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Non-notable compilation series redirected unilaterally in 2005, and no longer mentioned at target. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Flying Flowers

Flying Flowers → Artificial flower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete per WP:RFD#D2, not mentioned at target. It is used in Stanley Gibbons, so this impedes a searchm but since there is hardly any information there, delete to encourage creation of the article. Flying flower, Flying Flower and Flying flowers are all red. 94.21.10.117 (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pseudoscience (physics)

Pseudoscience (physics) → Pseudoscience (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Procedural nomination from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pseudoscience (physics). ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 10:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LaundryPizza03: Notifying the nominator... ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 10:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}; and there's page history. Narky Blert (talk) 14:12, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. An oxymoron thus WP:RFD#D5 "The redirect makes no sense". O, my ears and whiskers! 94.21.10.117 (talk) 00:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and send back to AfD. I think the merits of the topic and the original WP:BLAR should be considered at AfD, rather than RfD looking at it as a redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eductor-jet pump

Eductor-jet pump → Injector (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Eductors → Injector (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Eductor → Eduction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It seems that these three (Eductor-jet pump, Eductors, Edutor) should probably go to the same place, but I don't know which place that is. I stumbled upon this situation while cleaning up Eduction. Note, too, that I redirected Educt to Eduction, in case anyone has other opinions about that one. Cnilep (talk) 06:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No clear solution has been proposed yet
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:02, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from proposer: Since no one has expressed an idea yet, let me ask this. Are there any objections to (re)targeting both 'Eductor' and 'Eductors' to the disambiguation 'Eduction', and leaving 'Eductor-jet pump' as the status quo (pointing to 'Injector')? Better suggestions are, of course, welcome. Cnilep (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Nominator is asking for further input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:28, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Target/retarget eductor and eductors to DAB page Eduction as {{R from ambiguous term}}. (Oh, and endorse nom's retargetting of educt to Eduction.}

Retarget eductor-jet pump to Vacuum ejector. It's a piece of kit which will be familiar to anyone who's ever worked in a high school, university or industrial laboratory. It's given as an alternative name in the infobox. (I knew what I was looking for, but it was the devil to find. I would call it a water pump.) Narky Blert (talk) 16:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget eductor and eductor to DAB at eduction, for the record checked educter in case it had somehow made its way from Latin into English (not so far). For the fun of it, in my dictionary there are six words with two consecutive "u"s. Vacuum and continuum are easy, and I give you triduum and menstruum for free. You'll get a small residuum if you find the sixth. 94.21.10.117 (talk) 01:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fent

Fent → Fentanyl (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While this does appear to sometimes be a slang term for fentanyl, it also is a word in its own right. I'm not really sure whether a wiktionary redirect or deletion is more appropriate here. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate to a wiktionary link, fentanyl, Kathleen Fent, Lance Baker Fent from The Peanut Butter Conspiracy, FENT -- a product of Laboratory for Energy Conversion ---- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 22:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to facilitate uninhibited Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate per the IP. These are all plausible. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 09:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate per above. Kathleen Fent means it will be {{dab|surname}}. Narky Blert (talk) 16:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Trackdad

Trackdad → Nipple (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Appears to be some sort of slang, does not appear to be a strong connection between the redirect and the target. Hog Farm _Talk 05:33, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

George Floyd/

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Speedied by Liz. Hog Farm _Talk 22:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

George Floyd/ → George Floyd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Recently-created redirect with non-standard ending punctuation, doesn't seem to be logical to include the / character there. Hog Farm _Talk 05:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Seems at best to be an implausible typo.—Bagumba (talk) 08:27, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've tagged for speedy delete WP:R3.—Bagumba (talk) 08:30, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
G3 seems plausible as this was created less than a month ago. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 09:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Dragonfly,

Dragonfly, → Dragonfly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The page's initial content was referring to a track from The Hunter (Blondie album), but as it does not seem notable (I can only find lyric pages on a quick web search), I suggest deleting this per WP:UNNATURAL. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move page history to Dragonfly (Blondie song) without leaving a redirect, and retarget to The Hunter (Blondie album). I don't see any indication that the comma is part of the song's stylised title, and there is no reason to otherwise retain a redirect at this title, but under a more specific title this could be kept as a redirect to the album. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:28, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Killing Barney

Killing Barney → Barney & Friends#Criticism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is not a plausible redirect to keep, nor does the target mention anything about killing. There is no "Criticism" section on the target page. Also, it meets criteria 3 of deleting redirects. I'm unsure about Anti-Barney humor though, that one doesn't look good either. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 01:30, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Anti-Barney humor where such is mentioned in multiple contexts. The redirect was created to point there. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 03:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per J947, which is the most logical place for this to point. Hog Farm _Talk 04:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 12: / Line 12: @@
 This does not seem to be an attested alternative name for the Boston Massacre. The only relevant hits I found while searching were satirical (eg: [http://theurbanbeet.microskeems.com/2020/05/31/thugs-destroy-property-merchandise-to-show-displeasure-with-the-establishment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=thugs-destroy-property-merchandise-to-show-displeasure-with-the-establishment]). --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:24, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' seems like a joke redirect.--[[Special:Contributions/67.70.101.238|67.70.101.238]] ([[User talk:67.70.101.238|talk]]) 03:49, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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