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:{{ping|Goldsztajn}} Well, draftification is an option as a matter of well-established policy upheld at DRV (it's listed at [[WP:ATD]]), and there are plenty of reasons to delete articles on notable topics as well as salvage content attached to articles on non-notable topics, so the idea that AfD boils down to determining notability is an oversimplification. I've only recently become active at AfC and perhaps my attitude will change, but there was no real pushback when I said what I was doing on the AfC talkpage a week or so ago. — [[User:Chalst|''Charles Stewart'']] <small>[[User_talk:Chalst|(talk)]]</small> 00:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC) |
:{{ping|Goldsztajn}} Well, draftification is an option as a matter of well-established policy upheld at DRV (it's listed at [[WP:ATD]]), and there are plenty of reasons to delete articles on notable topics as well as salvage content attached to articles on non-notable topics, so the idea that AfD boils down to determining notability is an oversimplification. I've only recently become active at AfC and perhaps my attitude will change, but there was no real pushback when I said what I was doing on the AfC talkpage a week or so ago. — [[User:Chalst|''Charles Stewart'']] <small>[[User_talk:Chalst|(talk)]]</small> 00:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::FWIW, I don't think (?) we actually disagree on any substantial point here! :) Personally it is my least supported outcome at AfD since I think it is deferred decision that moves away from at least multiple-editor decision-making (what happens at AfD) to single-editor decision making (what happens at AfC). Your earlier comment about AfC running smoother, I suspect has a lot to do with that difference. I would differentiate outcomes at DRV from AfD (the nature of appeals outcomes requires more flexibility in decision-making). Also, a TNT outcome at AfD of a notable topic would in my mind probably of necessity produce some form of draftication since any editor will inevitably need to see what existed before if the article is recreated. I drop in and out of AfC, perhaps see you there. Kind regards, --[[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] ([[User talk:Goldsztajn|talk]]) 00:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC) |
::FWIW, I don't think (?) we actually disagree on any substantial point here! :) Personally it is my least supported outcome at AfD since I think it is deferred decision that moves away from at least multiple-editor decision-making (what happens at AfD) to single-editor decision making (what happens at AfC). Your earlier comment about AfC running smoother, I suspect has a lot to do with that difference. I would differentiate outcomes at DRV from AfD (the nature of appeals outcomes requires more flexibility in decision-making). Also, a TNT outcome at AfD of a notable topic would in my mind probably of necessity produce some form of draftication since any editor will inevitably need to see what existed before if the article is recreated. I drop in and out of AfC, perhaps see you there. Kind regards, --[[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] ([[User talk:Goldsztajn|talk]]) 00:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Hi, sorry for the posting at [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 January 2]]. Didn't know it was not allowed on the wiki. I have created a draft with the tips SmokeyJoe mentioned from my own research on the net. Please check it here:- [[Draft:Mandar Agashe]]. Hope it's fine else you can delete it. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/106.220.138.16|106.220.138.16]] ([[User talk:106.220.138.16|talk]]) 05:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Hi Chalst, Pleased to see your much needed logic additions to dialectic. Would you have any references to add to this page? ~~ BlueMist (talk) 22:34, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, a few. There is a field of study in mathematical logic concerned with dialog games, and also relevant work in linguistics, which I plan to add. — Charles Stewart (talk) 05:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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Wow, that is quite a technical article to pick for your first review. It has been over two years since I did a Good article review so might be a little rusty, but I was very active at the project before then. Have looked through the article and your review and everything looks good. I didn't really like the bulleted list in the lead either when I first saw it, but as long as it summarises the article then it is fine for GA purposes. In hindsight I think it might even be the best way to present such information. The length of the lead is also not an issue. I looked at the pictures to make sure they were free and they were all uploaded by the nominator so no issues there.
As far as well-written I generally base this on how understandable the article is to me. Usually confusing sentences are just not that well written (if I find myself reading the same sentence over again and still not sure what it is trying to say I will usually point it out). If the confusion arises more from not understanding the general concepts then some leeway should be offered, but it is fair enough to ask for an attempt at explaining things better to a lay person. Articles should be writeen so an average person can follow them (even if they have to jump through a few wikilinks).
I am assuming you checked some of the references. I usually focus on ones that support controversial or potentially challangeable statements (these must be sourced) and maybe a few other random ones if there are not many of those. The citation style here is different than on many other articles, but as long as it is clear what references what then that is not an issue. It also pays to check for close paraphrasing in the references you check, even though you may have run it through an automatic copyvio checking process.
Overall I think the way you have conducted the review is perfectly fine. Any specific questions ping or drop a note at my talk page. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 21:57, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Charles, just noticed you were back editing again ;-) Paul August ☎ 14:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Chalst! With due respect, I undid part of your recent edit to the article, the part about his being ethnicly Polish. I did so because it was irrelevant to his life story, as would be the fact of his having been delivered as an infant by cesarian section. The user who convinced you to include ethnicity had, I'm sure, their own reasons for their suggestion, but I doubt those reasons are in accordance with the goals and standards of WP. The fact that Łukasiewicz was a Roman Catholic should allay any confusion that he might have been Jewish or some non-Polish ethnicity, should anyone care to wonder. It simply requires reading further into the article.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Quisqualis:: Other bios, e.g., Alfred Tarski, include mention of ethnicity, but I have no strong feelings about including this information in the article. In fact, we can omit mention of his birthplace, since it is the infobox. — Charles Stewart (talk) 09:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- His ethnicity was not much of a factor in his life and career. I'll be looking at the Tarski article soon. There has been some activity on WP in the direction of calling Poles an "ethnoreligious group". I suspect the edit to be connected to that ethnic parsing.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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What do you mean with "generating many pages"? I'm not aware of any page creations. Anyway, if you want more edits to be run automatically and flagged as bot, I suggest that you propose it at Wikipedia talk:OABOT. Thanks, Nemo 12:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ok. There's sadly no way to edit M pages with N < M edits. Some people requested that such edits be individually vetted by a human and performed manually, so that's what I'm doing. I'd of course be happy to codify a process and run a bot for it if there's demand, but that depends on consensus. Not only bots tend to be less annoying, as you note, but they can also ensure a more consistent quality level for their edits. The main discussion page for the topic is Wikipedia talk:OABOT. --Nemo 13:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- That section is traditionally about AWB, pywikibot and so on. --Nemo 06:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
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Charles Stewart: Following up here to see if you are able to review the quote in the The New Yorker article we discussed at Talk:Ethereum#Virtual_Machine_update? No problem if you're busy or prefer not to, I just wanted to check in case. Thank you! AlexLewis13 (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- @AlexLewis13: - I've read the article and it supports what you want to say, but I want to include some additional material from the article when I do. I won't be too long: days rather than weeks. — Charles Stewart (talk) 12:44, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! AlexLewis13 (talk) 21:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
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You might try using the edition parameter as in "|edition = Hardcover". There is a lot of detail at {{cite book}}. Happy editing. BiologicalMe (talk) 14:53, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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Dear Chalst, perhaps i did not know the rules of the English language wikipedia concerning nationalities of persons. In the German language wikipedia (my home) Gödel is attributed Austrian. I think this is justified, at least in the german language wikipedia: In the decisive years of his life and work, he was in fact citizen of Austria, and when he proved his incompleteness theorems he lived and worked in Vienna, Austria. However, i do not think it is justified to attribute him to germany. The motive why i write to you is to ask you: Could you please be so kind and have a critical look over my contributions to the talk page of list of German mathematicians? Thank you.
(Falls Deine Deutschkenntnisse besser sind als meine Englischkenntnisse: Lieber Chalst, wahrscheinlich wusste ich zu wenig über die Regeln der englischsprachigen Wikipedia bezüglich der Zuordnung von Personen zu Nationalitäten. In meiner deutschsprachigen Heim-Wikipedia wird Gödel als Österreicher bezeichnet. Ich finde, dass das durchaus berechtigt ist, zumindest bezüglich der deutschsprachigen Wiki-Regeln. In der Lebensphase, in der er seine größten Werke verfasste, war er österreichischer Staatsbürger, und als er seine Unvollständigkeitssätze bewies, lebte und arbeitete er in Wien. Seine Zuordnung zur list of German mathematicians halte ich aber für unberechtigt, die Nazis haben den Mörder seines akademischen Lehrers Moritz Schlick 1/2 Jahr nach dem "Anschluss" und nach nur 2 Jahren Haft entlassen, die Nazis haben Gödel wegen seines Doktorvaters Hans Hahn bedrängt, er war den größten Teil der Zeit seiner deutschen Staatsbürgerschaft in den USA und nahm ca. 1947 die US-Staatsbürgerschaft an. Das klingt für mich nicht danach, dass er gerne in einer Liste von deutschen Mathematikern erschienen wäre. Der eigentliche Grund, dass ich Dich anspreche, ist aber dieser: Könntest Du bitte mal kritisch über meine Beiträge zur Talk-Seite dieser Liste schauen? Ich glaube Du bist unverdächtig, meine Anmerkungen durchzuwinken so wie manche deutsche Wikipedia-Sichter die Edits von Neulingen. Das wäre echt nett, vielen Dank im Voraus.) --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 18:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- thank Your for Your answer on my talk page.--Himbeerbläuling (talk) 12:03, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
This exchange has gotten me a little curious. In what sense was Goedel ever "German"? At some level I don't care that much; I think way too much effort is expended on these nationality issues in bios of people whose work had nothing to do with their nationality. But I'm curious because if you'd asked me for Goedel's nationality before he took American citizenship, I probably would have said "German", but now that I see these exchanges I can't think of any basis for that other than pan-Germanism. --Trovatore (talk) 19:10, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Trovatore: When Hitler annexed Czechoslavakia, its German-speaking citizens became German citizens. This is how Gödel acquired his third nationality. — Charles Stewart (talk) 07:44, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Charles. --Trovatore (talk) 02:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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He went to LSE - that's what the sources say. I received a post-grade degree because of my studies at LSE, no matter who officially gave it, I was a student at LSE, not UL. Doug Weller talk 12:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: I quite agree. It was Jkk12 who reverted my partial reversion of his edit that changed the infobox from showing LSE as his place of education. — Charles Stewart (talk) 13:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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The article has been improved with the comments received. It is far better than what exists and it is time we publish the article and replace the existing. Can you pls facilitate this?
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I think you may have misread the six edits you reversed. These did not actually remove any material from the article. They split paragraphs,ManfredHugh (talk)
- That is exactly what I did. The matter has already been sorted out. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=1019461180&oldid=1019460156#IPv6_stealth_edits_removing_well-sourced_claims — Charles Stewart (talk) 15:49, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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I read your suggestion. I thought it was a convenient place for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics to have a discussion, as the discussion spans several pages. thanks!--SilverMatsu (talk) 11:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- @SilverMatsu: Do you want to start that discussion? I don't care about where the discussion takes place provided it isn't mainly on the AfD, but it would be better to have the discussion either on the project page or one article talk page, not spread over several pages. If you start the discussion, I'll close the one I started, otherwise I can advertise it on the project page. — Charles Stewart (talk) 12:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks for mentioning me on the Logic page. I just spotted Logical reasoning, which though an old article is odd. Is there any other kind of reasoning? Peter Damian (talk) 21:34, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Peter Damian:- That article has rather serious issues: it's describing Peircean epistemology and passing it off as the one true perspective on the constitution of logical inference. I think, though, there is non-logical reasoning; consider an example, slightly adapted from one due to Alasdair Macintyre:
- Four minutes ago, I put the kettle on the stove. Now it is whistling. That means the water is boiling.
- You can say this is an enthymeme in need of logical explication, but I think any attempt to find an formal analog is going to result in a rendering that is less convincing than the informal inference. Even more deadly to the thesis that there is a hidden logical form to the inference is that there are several incompatible ways of going about trying to recast it as a logical inference, and if there is general method for determining which is the 'right' analysis, I have not heard of it. — Charles Stewart (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- thanks. but does pierce use the term 'logical reasoning'? couldn't find one. Peter Damian (talk) 21:54, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Peter Damian:- not that I know of and I would be surprised if he did, but I am no Peirce expert. If you are wondering if something should be done about that article, I agree that it should. The content there is pretty much redundant: I think pretty much all that material exists in other articles. — Charles Stewart (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- thanks. but does pierce use the term 'logical reasoning'? couldn't find one. Peter Damian (talk) 21:54, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks, SilverMatsu. My first barnstar in my something like 17 years of editing. Either I am not as competent an editor as I hope/believe, or barnstars are not distributed according to merit :) — Charles Stewart (talk) 11:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- I thought you were a competent editor, so I was surprised that this was the first barnstar. In fact, your answer in Talk:Indecomposability (intuitionistic logic) shows that you are a valuable editor. Editors familiar with constructive mathematics are valuable.--SilverMatsu (talk) 09:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Do you think we should propose this article for deletion155.246.151.38 (talk) 20:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's a problematic article, to be sure, but there are specific solutions available: (i) a more neutral title, and (ii) rebalance the WP:DUE issues in the sourcing. I don't think deletion policy is the right tool for this problem. — Charles Stewart (talk) 11:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hello! Thanks for the feedback on the draft. In Italian there is this source: https://youtube.fandom.com/it/wiki/RinoTheNicePlayer
While in English there is this source: https://en.everybodywiki.com/Salvatore_Ambrosini Nonna Angelina (talk) 17:44, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Nonna Angelina: On AfD, neither of these sources are going to help much. You need WP:BASIC-quality sources to pass AfD, preferably at least three of them. — Charles Stewart (talk) 17:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Are three famous articles all over Italy that talk about Salvatore Ambrosini good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonna Angelina (talk • contribs) 17:55, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Salvatore Ambrosini appeared in these newspapers: https://www.ilmattino.it/spettacoli/televisione/segre_prima_webserie_degli_studenti_che_racconta_la_storia_di_napoli-6373137.html
https://www.napolitoday.it/cultura/salvatore-ambrosini-video-imitazioni-voci-youtube.html
https://www.napolitoday.it/eventi/conseguenze-della-quarantena-serie-web-famiglia-ambrosini.html
https://www.melitonline.net/giornale/mugnano-le-mille-voci-di-salvatore-ambrosini-giovane-youtuber/
https://www.lasettimanatv.it/il-liceo-segre-e-la-webserie-creata-dagli-studenti/
https://www.altranotizia.com/mugnano-due-giovanissimi-nella-squadra-di-romina-imperatore/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonna Angelina (talk • contribs) 18:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- If all your best sources are in Italian, then why don't you start by creating a draft in the Italian WP? You're welcome to try to work on your draft here on English Wikipedia, but I am not going to put effort into trying to evaluate sources in a language I don't understand on a bio in a class that doesn't fare well on AfD. You might get lucky and find an AfC reviewer who has the competence to evaluate Italian sources without great effort, but the odds are against you. — Charles Stewart (talk) 18:43, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for taking a look at the Aglet (app) article. If there's anything I can personally do to make the article more fit for review let me know.
Wbrandon-aglet (talk) 20:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi - I think better to respond here, rather than continue at AfD. I was highlighting issues raised during the last AFC backlog drive. FWIW, I personally do not think draftification should be option at AfD; at AfD a topic is determined either notable or not (including no consensus given this defaults to notable). Content is essentially irrelevant there; so why create further backlogs for something already determined to be notable? At the same time, it appears to happen relatively infrequently, which is how I would hope things stay, so in practice I'm not outright opposed, but I think wariness is appropriate. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Goldsztajn: Well, draftification is an option as a matter of well-established policy upheld at DRV (it's listed at WP:ATD), and there are plenty of reasons to delete articles on notable topics as well as salvage content attached to articles on non-notable topics, so the idea that AfD boils down to determining notability is an oversimplification. I've only recently become active at AfC and perhaps my attitude will change, but there was no real pushback when I said what I was doing on the AfC talkpage a week or so ago. — Charles Stewart (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, I don't think (?) we actually disagree on any substantial point here! :) Personally it is my least supported outcome at AfD since I think it is deferred decision that moves away from at least multiple-editor decision-making (what happens at AfD) to single-editor decision making (what happens at AfC). Your earlier comment about AfC running smoother, I suspect has a lot to do with that difference. I would differentiate outcomes at DRV from AfD (the nature of appeals outcomes requires more flexibility in decision-making). Also, a TNT outcome at AfD of a notable topic would in my mind probably of necessity produce some form of draftication since any editor will inevitably need to see what existed before if the article is recreated. I drop in and out of AfC, perhaps see you there. Kind regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Draft created
Hi, sorry for the posting at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 January 2. Didn't know it was not allowed on the wiki. I have created a draft with the tips SmokeyJoe mentioned from my own research on the net. Please check it here:- Draft:Mandar Agashe. Hope it's fine else you can delete it. Thanks 106.220.138.16 (talk) 05:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC)