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Another Sock [[User:Itcouldbepossible]] from this SPI Archives [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MMartist365]]. [[Special:Contributions/117.227.109.165|117.227.109.165]] ([[User talk:117.227.109.165|talk]]) 10:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|Mz7}} Another Sock [[User:Itcouldbepossible]] from this SPI Archives [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MMartist365]]. [[Special:Contributions/117.227.109.165|117.227.109.165]] ([[User talk:117.227.109.165|talk]]) 10:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2021

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21:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

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22:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Rockcreed

M, are you sure that Rockcreed (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log· investigate · cuwiki) is a sockpuppet of Heres The Dealio (Special:Permalink/1060363778)? Results from the CheckUser tool for Heres The Dealio have been not as useful as I'd like (cue calls of  CheckUser is not magic pixie dust etc), and the behavioural elements aren't the same – while this may be a case of handing, I'm not terribly convinced. HTD has used and discarded socks in quick succession, creating attack redirects. While I wouldn't have made the redirects that Rockcreed made, they aren't completely outside the bounds of reason. Sdrqaz (talk) 11:12, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sdrqaz: Yes, I am relatively convinced that Rockcreed is a sockpuppet of Heres The Dealio. You're correct that CU results for this sockmaster have not been as conclusive as other sockmasters, and this particular account has not attacked specific individuals as previous accounts have. Nevertheless, there are several behavioral elements that are quite suspicious to me. Firstly, the account's early edits consist entirely of trivial edits (e.g. [4][5])—this is characteristic of the kind of autoconfirmed gaming that Heres The Dealio ordinarily performs in their userspace, but this time it seems like they could be putting in more effort to trying a new tactic. As soon as they made 12 edits in this fashion to become autoconfirmed, they created the following redirects:
Accordingly, I see this conforming to a similar general pattern of "gaming autoconfirmed then creating nonsensical redirects" that Heres The Dealio socks tend to follow. Creating a redirect in itself is a rather technical action on Wikipedia that I would not expect a brand new editor to be familiar with on their first day, and after I blocked Rockcreed, in their unblock request they accused me of "wikihounding", which is a rather esoteric Wikipedia term that I would not expect an innocent, brand-new editor to be familiar with. Additionally, Rockcreed shares the same IP address that Quotemeyo (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log· investigate · cuwiki) used on November 19—admittedly, the IP address is shared and could be used by multiple people, but when combined with the behavioral idiosyncrasies, I think this is suspicious enough to block. Mz7 (talk) 18:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Thank you for explaining, M. Part of me hopes that you're right, because the alternative is that an innocent person has been blocked with little chance of being unblocked: in the aftermath of the Eostrix motion, I indicated some of my scepticism with regards to our sockpuppetry blocks and how many of them are irreversible without admissions of guilt (as an aside, even Alford pleas would not work). Those redirects that Rockcreed created had come up on my radar, but they seemed to be South Park references and things more suited to RfD, which made me leave them alone.
I'm not convinced that HTD would change tack. They've been doing the same thing over and over again for over two-and-a-half years, with very little variation – creation of their userpage and talk page, then eight (and only eight, unlike this account's twelve) edits to their sandbox. They're here purely for disruption, with zero attempts to mask their actions: an effort to pull the wool over our eyes seems out of the question to me. I'm not sure what I can say for the hounding allegations or other elements, but that's how it looks to me. Sdrqaz (talk) 02:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sdrqaz: I appreciate you reaching out to me with your concerns. I would agree that it's generally true that users who are blocked for sockpuppetry have very little chance of being unblocked without admitting guilt, but in this case, I feel open to being persuaded. If another administrator (preferably a checkuser) reviewing the block also feels that there is insufficient evidence here to sustain the block, I would not have loud objections to an unblock. You bring up valid points about how this account's behavior does not match the typical pattern of Heres The Dealio. For me, I felt that there were too many coincidences for my comfort, but on the other hand, there is indeed a possibility that the behavioral and technical similarities are just that: coincidences. I noticed that a couple checkusers have already reviewed Rockcreed's unblock requests, but I'll see if I can ping another one tomorrow morning for another look with your thoughts in mind. Mz7 (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for going the extra mile, Mz7. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sdrqaz, Mz7 asked me to take a look at this. Technically, I'd say  Likely or better - they share an IP with an obvious HTD sock, though that IP could be fairly dynamic. Also, they have identical (reasonably common) useragents. On the surface the behavior is similar (gaming AC to make a redirect) though there are some key differences (prefer not to go into detail publicly) as well as the already-noted fact that they didn't create an attack redirect. I believe there is room for doubt as to whether they're the same person, but to be honest I probably would have made the same block on this evidence - again, shared IP, identical UA, similar behavior. It might be worth hearing an appeal from this person, but even if they aren't HTD, I have major doubts about whether there is any value in unblocking them given their obvious NOTHERE behavior. Of course, "we incorrectly blocked you as a sock but we're pretty sure you're guilty of something" isn't a great way to operate... GeneralNotability (talk) 02:10, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GeneralNotability: Thank you both for looking (and re-looking) into the issue. To be honest, I don't think we'll be "hearing an appeal from this person" anymore. Two appeals have already been made and were rejected by different CheckUsers (as noted by Mz7 above); if a person reasonably familiar with SPI couldn't argue for their innocence, I doubt they'd make much headway (a sobering thought for me). Speaking of new accounts looking NOTHERE, it's led me to dig through my talk page history, which had an ignominious start, being reverted by ClueBot NG and getting into an edit war in the first fortnight. Sdrqaz (talk) 02:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An IP sock

This IP 107.127.14.78 is a sockpuppet of this user 63.225.82.47. 68.193.199.8 (talk) 22:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

22:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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Remitbuber

Elcobbola, who doesn't appear to be around, CU-blocked Kympubs as an unidentified LTA. I'm fairly certain Kympubs is Remitbuber but it's not as obvious as I'd like. Can you check? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found some intersection with Greta Thunberg and confirmed sock Gibra191, so I'm more satisfied now behaviorally and have blocked and tagged.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23:  Confirmed to Remitbuber. I requested a global lock. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 01:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Signpost: 28 December 2021

RFA 2021 Completed

The 2021 re-examination of RFA has been completed. 23 (plus 2 variants) ideas were proposed. Over 200 editors participated in this final phase. Three changes gained consensus and two proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration. Thanks to all who helped to close the discussion, and in particular Primefac, Lee Vilenski, and Ymblanter for closing the most difficult conversations and for TonyBallioni for closing the review of one of the closes.

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01:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – January 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2021).

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  • Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.

Arbitration

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Express regret

Hello, sir. I wanted to ask a question about blocking people and users on Wikipedia. If a user on Wikipedia behaves illegally and is blocked, is there a way to fix this block? It is possible for him to make a commitment that he will no longer behave illegally and to express remorse 31.184.141.70 (talk) 10:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For more information about requesting that blocks be lifted, please see Wikipedia:Appealing a block and Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks. Mz7 (talk) 09:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Just dropping in to say hello Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mz7, do you know this person?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:50, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No. Mz7 (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

01:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thetruthisthere13 sockpuppet investiation

Hi, I recently came across this edit from Thetruthisthere13, which seems to prove that Thetruthisthere13 is indeed another sockpuppet of RK777713 / Ryan Kavanaugh, as he states that the Ryan Kavanaugh article "created a false narrative and false image of me". The account has been classified as possilikely a sockpuppet, but I believe this new evidence could classify it as confirmed. I'm not sure if it warrants reopening the investigation so I'd like to get advice from you on what to do about it, if anything at all. Thanks. --Swift502 (talk) 12:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only commenting here because it appears you closed the investigation. I hope it's not inappropriate. --Swift502 (talk) 13:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Swift502, I have already blocked the Thetruthisthere13 account as a suspected sockpuppet, so I don’t think any additional action is needed. Please let me know if you identify any other accounts that may be sockpuppets. Mz7 (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mz7: 👍 --Swift502 (talk) 18:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

19:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

27.63.192.154

Am I being overly suspicious or does this IP match Phoenix man? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, yeah, I agree, inquiring about a long-deleted article about an obscure topic created by a sockpuppet does indeed look suspicious. I would keep an eye on the IP, and if it becomes clearer through the behavior that this is more block evasion, we can give a block. Mz7 (talk) 09:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mz7, I thought it was also weird that they did a successful ping and signed their comments. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 13:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

21:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Thanks for the perm added. I appreciate it. Have a good day. Th78blue (talk) 20:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Impressively worded, thoughtful !vote.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Arbitration

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21:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

19:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

  • AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
  • The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

19:10, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2022

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21:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

22:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Another Sock

@Mz7: Another Sock User:Itcouldbepossible from this SPI Archives Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MMartist365. 117.227.109.165 (talk) 10:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]