User talk:Doug Weller

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Did I delete your page, block you, or do something else that I should not have done?

First, please remember that I am not trying to attack you, demean you, or hurt you in any way. I am only trying to protect the integrity of this project. If I did something wrong, let me know, but remember that I am human, and I do make mistakes. Please keep your comments civil. If you vandalize this page or swear at me, you will not only decrease the likelihood of a response, your edits could get you blocked. (see WP:NPA) When posting, do not assume I know which article you are talking about. If you leave a message saying "Why did you revert me?", I will not know what you mean. If you want a response consisting of something other than "What are you talking about", please include links and, if possible, diffs in your message. At the very least, mention the name of the article or user you are concerned with. Also, if you sign your post (by typing four tildes - ~~~~ - at the end of your message), I will respond faster, and I will tend to be in a better mood, because unsigned comments are one of my pet peeves. If you are blocked from editing, you cannot post here, but your talk page is most likely open for you to edit. To request a review of your block, add {{unblock|reason}} to your talk page. (replace reason with why you think you should not be blocked.) I watch the talk pages of everyone I block, so I will almost definitely see you make your request. If I am making edits (check Special:Contributions/Doug Weller) and I do not answer your request soon, or you cannot edit your talk page for some reason, you can try sending me an email. Please note, however, that I rarely check my email more than a few times a day, so it may be a couple of hours before I respond. Administrators: If you see me do something that you think is wrong, I will not consider it wheel-warring if you undo my actions. I would, however, appreciate it if you let me know what I did wrong, so that I can avoid doing it in the future.

I don't use irc often, but my account name on Libera is DougWeller.

Sanctions related to gender issues and abortion

First I'd like to say I appreciated your detailed information at the top of you talk page and your seeming interest in being civil. I'm simply curious why you imposed sanctions on me. To my remembrance I have not made any edits related to either of those topics. The topics I've made edits on and am interested in are biology, modern American politics, modern Canadian politics, American History, Climate Change, media, and economics. So really I'm just confused. Thanks, Viktory02 (talk) 09:29, 29 November 2021

Thanks, I haven't been doing this a long time Viktory02 (talk) 15:50, 29 November 2021

Why did you undo my edit in Biblical Cosomology-Teertrevo

Hi Mr. Weller! I noticed you removed my edit on Biblical cosmology, where I removed the incorrect interpretation of Revelation. Is there any reason for you doing so?
Thanks!
-Teertrevo (talk) 15:50, 29 November 2021

Cirrus cloud

I have nominated Cirrus cloud for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.

Death of Elijah McClain and neutral POV

Hey Doug,

I saw your note on my edit, and would like to engage on that a little bit. I know it's important to keep a neutral POV on wikipedia, and I did deliberate on whether it was appropriate before I made the edit. I ultimately came down on the side of making the edit because I think changing the sentence to read "The EMTs claimed to have estimated Elijah's weight" is arguably more neutral and more accurate.

Consider: Whatever ground truth is, whether their estimate was earnest or back-filled, it is accurate to say they claimed, while saying "They did estimate it" is making a statement of fact about their state of mind which we fundamentally cannot confirm.

I would argue that making the positive statement that the paramedics made that estimate is the same as reporting witness testimony as fact. Writing about a contested crime it wouldn't be neutral to say "Witness X saw defendant Y break into the house": that would not be neutral. It would be more neutral to say "Witness X reports/claims to have seen defendant Y breaking into a house" as it reflects the true uncertainty that exists in the world and does not make a positive statement of fact.

That said, I do see how "claims" could sound overly skeptical and suggests untruth to some readers. Perhaps there's a middle ground? How would you feel about changing it to "The paramedics administered an injection of 500 mg (one full 5ml syringe) of ketamine, later reporting to have estimated his weight at 220lbs (100kg), a weight for which 500mg is close to an appropriate dose.

I suppose we shouldn't dance around the matter that I do, in my personal private view, hold some skepticism about their making that estimate. Despite my personal view, my goal here isn't to write something biased towards my view {I respect wikipedia too much for that}, but rather something that states the facts clearly without being either accusatory or overly credulous of their position. You have much more experience on wikipedia than me, and I'd love to work with you to find a framing and wording that achieves this goal while remaining neutral.

P.s. I saw on your talk page that you recently had good news with respect to your health. Huge congrats here, and I hope your recovery is going well :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DigitalPants (talk • contribs) 21:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@DigitalPants: Thanks for your good wishes. As for the issue, I'll admit I prefer to conduct such discussions on the article talk page so others can see (and participate if they wish). Anyway, see WP:Words to avoid. But your new wording seems ok. Doug Weller talk 15:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh! Okay, let me move that over there. Sorry, I saw on your page an invitation to talk here, and took that for your preference. Poor etiquette on my part. DigitalPants (talk) 21:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

David Rohl

I know you're an admin, so you may not want to comment, but I wonder what you think of the new deletion request for David Rohl's article: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Rohl. TuckerResearch (talk) 17:51, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I have opened a deletion review: Wikipedia:Deletion_review#David_Rohl. Please comment if you'd like. TuckerResearch (talk) 16:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tuckerresearch sorry I didn't reply before. I just wasn't sure. I'll take a look. Doug Weller talk 16:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Newly arrived user?

Gowzena1978khhwe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hi Doug. The edits of this very recently registered user seem odd. What do you think? Best regards, Mathsci (talk) 09:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Already indeffed by User:Kusma. Mathsci (talk) 09:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

@Mathsci well that didn't take long! Doug Weller talk 09:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Too long for the new account of a clearly experienced user returning as a troll. My excuse is that I was on my phone when I first noticed the account, so it took half an hour until I had both made up my mind and found my laptop. Not sure what the point of the userpage was, but deleting it seemed like a good idea. —Kusma (talk) 09:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

EN1792

Hi

FYI, for whatever you may make of it:

• I am unfamiliar with the particular exchange about the reversion, but it is quite true that Mathglot and I were encouraging this editor to add a Babel template to their page and help Wikipedia translations.
  • I had previously counseled the editor that the wall-of-text complaints were somewhat valid and could but mitigated using a reflist (although on reflection I maybe should have suggested diffs instead).
• Incidentally, Mathglot is not involved in the original dispute that got EN1792 blocked and is mentioned here simply because they were mentioned by EN1792 and are entitled to know that I responded. We have worked together on translations and Mathglot was proposing one to me when, apparently unwisely in retrospect, I attempted to improve the references at Azov Battalion, where I encountered EN1792.
• There is more that I could say about the topic ban and the failure-to-realize concern, which is indeed valid. However, while I could possibly provide some context, I do not myself want to produce a wall of text. I will simply say that my posts about the page at WP:RS received a lot of support from others, from Newslinger in particular, but were completely ignored at the page, and my tags were removed.
• Also, we were interested in recruiting EN1792 because that editor speaks Russian and Farsi, and WP:PNT has a backlog and afaik no active editor for those languages.

I know you for a fair man from previous interactions, and if you have any suggestions I would welcome them. I do think EN1792 could help the project a great deal if they learned a better way to approach doing so. Elinruby (talk) 18:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I believe this is much ado about nothing, and nobody needs to waste any more time on it. (@Elinruby: if you raise an issue (especially with an admin) please link the discussion(s) you are referring to; I had to sleuth around. Neither you nor EN1792 has any edits at WT:RS, so it can't be that.) If you are talking about EN1792's UTP, then there is a very minor series of events that imho don't rise to the level of notifying an admin about, but since you did, here's the history, to save Doug some time:

1. In discussion at User talk:EN1792, it arose that they are polyglot (diff), and I encouraged them (diff) to add a {{Babel}} template to their user page
2. EN1792 added the template (diff) with a few languages, including an en-3 level
3. knowing their English is near-native level, I encouraged them (diff) to list themself at least at en-4 level
4. shortly thereafter, I boldly changed (diff) their Babel template to en-4; inviting a revert if they so chose
5. later that day Bbb23 reverted my edit (diff), changing it back to en-3; his edit summary was a mild disagreement of my earlier edit, and nothing against EN1792 in any way
6. an hour later, EN1792 reverted, restoring the en-4, along with a stinging, accusatory rebuke of Bbb23 in the edit summary (diff).

That is the whole story about the Babel template. None of this had the slightest effect on EN1792's subsequent indefinite block, and afaic, we should all go back to our regularly scheduled programming. That said, I agree with your last sentence ("could help the project") but that is not something we can do anything about in this discussion. Mathglot (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Mathglot thank you for the diffs and the suggestion. I just now posted a heads up to your talk page that your name was mentioned in the appeal. I posted to Doug here because he is the admin who declined to review the appeal, and who could blame him? I have to say I think he was right to do so.

Since apparently I wasn’t clear enough about this, I am not asking him to reverse himself on that, merely whether he has any suggestions. I do get that the problem is the vitriol, not the Babel boxes per se. I do however understand that editor’s frustration with the initial content dispute, even if I can’t defend the way they have chosen to express it.

The WP:RSN posts are there, btw, but aren’t real recent. I will be happy to provide diffs if somebody to wants to see them, but since at the moment this is just an informal request for a suggestion, and an expression of regret at what looks like a necessary measure, I don’t want to seem suggest that Doug needs to review them. My best suggestion probably wouldn’t work — allowing EN access to some sort of walled garden at PNT. Given current events and their languages, however, even medieval Russia or Iran may not be obscure or uncontroversial enough to be a place for them to learn better wiki etiquette. (See Kievan Rus). What a shame. Maybe I should send them an email suggesting that they take up yoga or something for a while before they try again? I don’t want to oppose any further on anyone’s time and will say no more unless somebody asks me something. Elinruby (talk) 21:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

You had earlier mentioned WP:RS, but now that you've mentioned WP:RSN, I see that you must be talking about this subsection of an archived discussion touching on Azov Batallion. EN1792 has six lifetime edits at RSN, and only one recent edit of substance (diff), which was indeed at that discussion, and it was on-topic, and entirely civil. As far as "what's to be done" about EN1792, the block was a good one and for better or worse, any appeal has to come from them. (There's no precedent afaicr for the kind of walled garden you are proposing, although I suppose an "inverted TBAN" which blocked them from every topic or project page in the encyclopedia *except* for one might be theoretically possible, but I don't see why they merit it, and it would place an additional burden on admins or other watchers which they don't deserve.) EN1972's best strategy now, imho, is to just sit tight and appeal later. If they do some editing at French, Persian, or Russian wiki for the next six months without getting into trouble, that would likely help in their block appeal. Mathglot (talk) 22:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@Elinruby@Mathglot I think the suggestion to sit tight and appeal later is a good one, especially if they edit at other language Wikis where others such as you two can see their edits. Right now it doesn't appear they are in a good enough frame of mind to respond satisfactorily to the issues I raised about their appeal. Of course I could be wrong, they might change tack and respond as requested. Elinruby, do you think there's a chance they might respond to an email from you? Doug Weller talk 07:29, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

I previously sent them an email and they answered on-wiki that they did not reply to the email because there might be career implications if they were outed. Which wasn’t an issue at the time. It does mean they have email enabled though, and possibly would read an email from me. I am willing to pass the suggestion along, and possibly to disclose my own email in the body, but this would out *me* and I have been annoying Russians lately. I guess I could make a throwaway account. TL;DR I think they would likely read an email if my name was in the subject and I guess I am willing to do the work to make it possible for them to respond. I don’t recommend the fr.wikipedia unless their French is very good indeed, as mine *is* and I still got taken to task, but that’s my ADD kicking in. TL;DR to the TL;DR = maybe; I will try. Thank you for reading. Elinruby (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Indian IPv6 range editing issue

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Stricter block for Indian IPv6 ranges due to sockpuppetry. Thank you. Please take a look at the thread, as you were a blocking admin for at least one of these ranges in the past. — B. L. I. R. 00:58, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@BeywheelzLetItRip Sorry, I’m not that sure about that sort of range.@BeywheelzLetItRip Doug Weller talk 18:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking for testers

I noticed your question at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Anyone else experiencing "reply" adding nowiki to pings? or inability to preview. As someone not fully satisfied with DiscussionTools (neither am I), could I ask you to test Bawl? I can always use more feedback. I promise it'll never randomly switch to visual mode. If you'd rather not I understand, but feedback helps me a ton. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:58, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz I’m starting to get error messages, not sure why. So maybe I should. Doug Weller talk 18:33, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

What kind of error messages? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz I didn’t notice, but will pay more attention tomorrow. Doug Weller talk 19:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Why did you revert my changes?

Why did you revert my changes about Dr Strange? AnoshkoAlexey (talk) 20:23, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@AnoshkoAlexey: Doug gave the edit summary "Trivial needs to be significant and sourced".

A passing mention of something isn't significant enough to warrant inclusion. The personal standard I try to go by is "if you could write a paragraph about the mention, summarize it in one sentence." That still might not be significant enough but you can't get a paragraph out of the mention, it's definitely not significant enough.

While giving us the author of that particular issue does narrow down where in the 60 year old series this issue is, it still doesn't tell us which issue, which doesn't really help anyone verify it. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)